Mississippi Clinton more honest than Sanders 2 to 1

[itsrobert]

exit poll

[SamKnause]

1. Do you agree ???

[riversedge]

27. of course I agree.

[Hissyspit]

31. Why?

[highprincipleswork]

2. Oh. well, if that's their perspective, I get it. But really now?

[virtualobserver]

5. Hillary's dishonest campaign is working in the south

[highprincipleswork]

11. I know. Plenty of other people flogging the bias as well. It's a shame. Not the truth.

[dchill]

36. Shame is the word.

But they feel none.

[6chars]

38. I wonder if it helps there that she is a woman of faith.

[Bread and Circus]

3. people see what they wanna see

[laruemtt]

4. People who consistently

vote against their own best interests

[grossproffit]

12. "Vote against their own best interests?"

How would you know what their best interests are?

[choie]

30. unless they're heads of corporations,

if they're voting for Clinton, they're voting against their interests.

[AzDar]

44. ^ This.

[monicaangela]

34. That's right grossproffitt

their best interest could be that they really want to see a Clinton vs. Trump race because they know in their state Trump will beat Clinton.

[Lizzie Poppet]

51. Do you think all those working class Republicans are voting in their own best interests?

I certainly don't. Why would I have any problem thinking the same thing about any Democrat of modest means preferring an establishment corprocrat over a democratic socialist?

[SMC22307]

60. Christ, the state ranks at the very bottom compared to other states...

economy, income, health, education, you name it. Why they don't want better is what baffles me. Or maybe they do want better, and are still clinging to the Clintons to deliver.

[onpatrol98]

61. +1

[CoffeeCat]

6. CNN said this is the first state that Clinton won "trustworthiness"

Congratulations to Hillary Clinton.

[choie]

33. the mind boggles..

n/t

[Skwmom]

39. +1

[NCTraveler]

7. I don't think she is more honest.

I do think he is a more deceptive politician.

[BillZBubb]

9. If you "think that, you aren't thinking.

Hillary is serial liar and flip flopper. That is a fact.

[NCTraveler]

15. Rock on BillZ!!!

[mythology]

16. And Sanders is proposing plans that are wildly underfunded

Politicians promise things all the time they can't deliver. Sanders is no different.

[BillZBubb]

19. Listen to Sanders. He isn't PROMISING anything.

He is setting a broad progressive agenda that will require time and determination to fulfill.

As far as being "underfunded" that is mostly bullshit. We can find the money to pay for any of his objectives if we choose to.

[PyaarRevolution]

24. We find plenty of money to WASTE on Defense spending.

Surely we can find a paltry amount compared to that for Medicare for All and tuition free college.

[Live and Learn]

64. Like removing all the lead from everything including the paint in your house?

That is realistic!

[onpatrol98]

66. I think you've hit on something...

I don't think she's more honest. But, I do hear a lot of ... "I don't think he can do what he says he can do" from people. So, when I think of it from that perspective, that he comes across as someone offering what he can't provide or produce. If you're not familiar with Bernie Sanders, then that may come across as dishonest. Or, at least it did to some people I've spoken with. He didn't have a lot of name recognition in the state beyond socialist senator from Vermont. I don't believe he came to the state. So, I think he'd already made up his mind to post a loss here and move on to another one with more potential for his candidacy.

Next, he's labeled as a great civil rights activist for African Americans. Bernie didn't do that labeling for himself. He's been very honest, in my opinion, about his participation many years ago. But, some of his supporters have given quite a different impression. To listen to some of them, you'd believe our children should be memorizing his name along with Martin Luther King, Frederick Douglas, John Lewis and others for February Black History Month programs. But, in a state like Mississippi, great civil rights activists are known and respected. He simply wasn't known like that. So, when his supporters pushed him like that...it seemed dishonest. It seemed like something he should clarify one way or the other. It didn't mean he didn't play an active role. It just wasn't as active as the ones I mentioned. It also didn't mean the role he played wasn't important and to be respected. It just simply wasn't the same. Who would carry more clout in Mississippi? Bernie Sanders or John Lewis? John Lewis. If you suggest John Lewis is supporting Hillary Clinton for any reason beyond the fact that he prefers her policies, you're not looking to have a very long conversation with many AA voters in Mississippi.

When he knocked Hillary Clinton for supporting a bill her husband signed, but neglected to mentioned he also voted for the bill (along with the congressional black caucus). That didn't seem very forthcoming. If you're not forthcoming...well, it seems dishonest.

When you ask Bernie Sanders a question about his foreign policy advisers and policies and he takes the time to remind you Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war and he didn't, it doesn't come across well. Because we already know that. This is a question about his direction for the country. This seems like deflection, quite frankly. Deflection is seldom seen as honest. Hillary deflects quite a bit also.

Finally, I don't think Bernie Sanders has been vetted. Hillary Clinton's dirty laundry...and I do believe it stinks...but its primarily known. There really hasn't been an effort to tell the American people more about Bernie Sanders. To even find out about bills he's sponsored or supported, you basically have to hunt the information down yourself. I don't mind. But, it all adds up to this...

I don't think Mississippi had a very good introduction to Bernie Sanders.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. Mississippi is apparently way too trusting.

[scscholar]

10. Who is this Mississippi Clinton person?

[highprincipleswork]

13. Thank u for posting this outside the Hillary Group (or B Group), which always seems the cowardly way

[kath]

14. Low-information voters.

Clearly they have not been paying attention to her lies, flip-flops, bad policy positions.

the states where she has been winning by big margins are not exactly highly ranked in terms of quality of schools and level of educational attainment. Oklahoma was an outlier in that regard - crap schools, not very high average educational level, but they thankfully went for Bernie!

[kath]

21. Who said it has to do with race? - more likely due to education, poverty, etc.

[giftedgirl77]

42. Check the exit polls.

Everything you assumed is wrong.

[BillZBubb]

22. No whites there voted for Hillary? The racism card is pretty low, even for a Hillary supporter

[dsc]

23. really the blackest electorate that we have outside of DC

and a poster calls them stupid and I am the problem.

[TCJ70]

29. You don't have to be stupid...

...to be wrong.

[TM99]

32. Mississippi ranks dead last

in the percentage of the population to have a high school diploma or GED.

They also have the lowest median family income, one of the worst health indices, number one in obesity, second highest unemployment rate, ranked number one with a population below the poverty line, and ranked number one in infant mortality.

On any general day here at DU, we hear this and attacks against all there for being a red state (actually the most conservative in the union!) and voting GOP.

But after each of these similar southern states have voted for Clinton, they have suddenly morphed into stunning victories and all about race.

I am willing to bet that the turnout will be as bad as the other red southern states which means that no matter how high a percentage were AA voters, the numbers will be abysmal. And that will continue to bode ill for Clinton in a possible GE run.

[dsc]

41. I have read several reports of high turnout there

though time will tell, but I bet it will be more than the 6,000 or so that voted in ME, and I don't hear any crying from your side on that.

[TM99]

45. Well then you were not looking

because I certainly am aware of how low the turnout was in ME.

Overall Democratic turnout is way down. That bodes very poorly for either candidate but especially so for Clinton with her high negativities and loss of the youth and independent voters with her shenanigans.

[onpatrol98]

48. I am a black woman who voted for Hilary Clinton in Mississippi today.

As much as I want to respond in more detail to this post, I simply cannot... beyond to say the following...

I'm not suffering from a low median family income. In fact, I have a job I love very much. I'm healthy. I'm not obese. I do not live below the poverty line. And, thankfully, my children are all alive and well. Finally, I received my PhD in Mississippi from a well respected institution of higher learning attended by students who came here, not simply from other states (yours included--no matter which state you live in), but from around the world.

As easy as it would be to simply suggest, Clinton won here because we're poor, fat, broke, and stupid, let's leave room for the possibility that after hearing both candidates on any number of occasions, we simply chose one over the other. It happens, every election cycle. Perhaps, if Sanders had come to Mississippi...he would have had a greater impact. We'll never know.

I simply can't add anything else...I just don't know what else I could say.

[TM99]

49. And you fit the Clinton demographic to a tee.

You are a highly educated female that makes good money.

Her neoliberalism works very well for you. It does not the 28% of us that are lost in a world of violence and abject poverty.

Additionally, you are the exception there, not the rule.

[onpatrol98]

54. Okay...

So, in the 1st post...we voted for Clinton in Mississippi because we're broke and uneducated. But, now in the second post, I supposedly voted for Clinton because I'm educated and make a lot of money.

I have no idea what neo-liberalism means. And, that's okay. I don't want to know. It takes way too much energy to be this upset over simply choosing one candidate over another one in the same political party...when their messages are more similar than different.

I wish them well in their next states. As for violence and abject poverty...I think either candidate will work to make a difference where they can.

However, I think both DU and Bernie Sanders would have been in a better situation if people like Bravenak would have been listened too last summer.

[TM99]

57. You do know with that Ph.D. right

that one can make a general statement and a specific one with no contradiction? Your circumstance are hardly like those of the bulk of the people in your state.

Bravenak has admitted to being one who loves to see conflict stirred up. I put her on ignore months ago for very good reason.

You best look up what neoliberalism is as it is the root political and economic philosophy of the Clintons.

[onpatrol98]

59. Conflict...

Well, I don't want conflict. Mississippi is full of problems and people with problems. But, Mississippi is also full of good people like any state. I simply wanted you to consider that before you reduced us to a bunch of stats for not supporting Sanders. Michigan went for Sanders tonight. I just want to think that and that alone. They went for Sanders. I don't have to think poorly of their people or pull out a set of less than desirable stats to simply note that fact. I can stop right there.

Looking up neo-liberalism won't help me or anyone I know. Clinton is a politician, just like Bernie. And, they must be more alike than different because its the party she's been in for years, and the party Bernie has caucused with for years.

One circumstance that I share with all of the people of my state is that I am a Mississippian. When I travel, people don't know any of those details about me that I took the time to share with you. For some, when they hear I'm from Mississippi, a superiority complex kicks in, no matter their own circumstances. It's a strange prejudice. Some people do it so often, I don't think they even stop to realize the odd hostility of it.

I've learned a lot from people on DU. People who come from a lot of different backgrounds. I don't want to bicker with you. I just wanted to share that we're more than a bunch of numbers. Being reduced to a bunch of stats, especially when they don't even accurately define you as an individual, isn't a good feeling.

[bravenak]

58. +1

[Number23]

65. Hey girl. I did the same thing in the state of Georgia

And you know my family situation. I ain't poor, fat or stupid either.

For some people, putting everybody in boxes is more important than anything. And these same folks wonder why so few want to join their revolution.

For all of the hooping and hollering and insulting everyone under the sun that's not participating in the glorious revolution, Clinton's delegate lead has actually expanded and she got 70% of the black vote in Michigan. But we don't know what we're talking about. Yeah.

[onpatrol98]

67. It's frustrating...

To be honest, for people who dislike Hillary Clinton so much...their strategies for acquiring the presidency seem rather similar. In 2008, Clinton thought she could get there without African American voters. I think Bernie Sanders initial strategy was the same in this election. I think his quick pivot out of the south highlights that strategy as well. For all of his strategists talk of we're heading to states "more favorable" to our campaign, I think it's actually pretty straight forward. It may work, who knows?

It may be that you can win the primary by insulting or avoiding black voters while spending more time and effort in states that offer a less diverse electorate. But, I'm not thinking that's a wise general election strategy. In fact, putting together a general election strategy may be a problem both Clinton and Sanders have to worry about when one of them gets to the general. How do you bring back together an electorate that's splintered so much during the primary AND gain enthusiasm? Who knew it would be tougher to heal after this election than the 2008 campaign.

[Number23]

68. I'm astounded that so many of his supporters are making his victory dependent on non-Democrats

They are actually rejoicing that women, that minorities, that gay Americans aren't really feeling their candidate and that it's independents and Republicans that have put him where he is primarily.

They seem to be perfectly fine with the way things are. Really says all that needs to be said.

[Loudestlib]

46. This post disgusts me

You took a post about low-information voters and you're saying they have to be black?

[dsc]

47. A post about low information voters that was aimed at an electorate that is 2/3 black

but of course the person didn't mean blacks, no of course not.

[cleanhippie]

53. The OP gets the benefit of the doubt, you left none at all.

That you went "there" right out of the gate tells us all about just how you think.

Which explains the well deserved hide.

[cleanhippie]

52. That's exactly what he did. It's offensive in so many ways.

[grossproffit]

20. There it is.

[Shadowflash]

17. Clinton more honest than Sanders 2 to 1?

[Jefferson23]

26. More honest about what? You have a link to the question/statement?

[Land of Enchantment]

28. lol

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[Scootaloo]

35. Well, I would have trouble imagining that people voting Clinton find Sanders more trustworthy.

or vice-versa.

Clinton swept Mississippi. These results are unsurprising. A little baffling to me, but hey what the hell.

[gcomeau]

37. Any more evidence required that Mississippi is crazy pants? -eom

[panader0]

43. Okay

[Lizzie Poppet]

50. Apparently Mississippi is a part of the Star Trek goatee universe.

That's simply surreal. I understand (kinda) the reasons for voting for Clinton. I get that Bernie is too far left for may Democrats and that one of her few consistent loyalties has been to black Americans.

But I can't help but think anyone who actually thinks she's more honest than Bernie either just awoke from a 30-year nap...or is a complete ignoramus. It's rather like not believing in evolution, despite overwhelming evidence.

[Bread and Circus]

55. I want what Mississippi is smoking.

[Art_from_Ark]

63. If it's Mississippi ditchweed,

you probably DON'T want it.

[Vattel]

56. wow, must be low information voters.

[Vote2016]

62. reason 9,659,360,346 I'm glad I don't live in Mississippi

[Lone_Wolf]

69. Mississippi usually goes Republican also, doesn't it?

There's a correlation