Obama’s Top Guy Thinks Clinton Took A Cheap Shot

[Miles Archer]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/2016-election-primaries_us_56df5415e4b0b25c917ffa33?0xvibe29

Obama’s Top Guy Thinks Clinton Took A Cheap Shot

David Axelrod, President Barack Obama’s former top strategist, said on Tuesday that he disagreed with an attack from Hillary Clinton saying her opponent, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), opposed the auto bailout.

“In my view, it was kind of a cheap shot,” Axelrod said on CNN. “I thought it was a little too cute by half.”

Axelrod’s point is valid. Sanders never ideologically opposed the auto bailout. What he did was vote against releasing the second tranche of the bank bailout, TARP, from which the money was derived to help rescue the auto industry.

Clinton nevertheless argued during Sunday’s debate that had Sanders been in charge, the bailout of Detroit never would have happened -- an attack that may be true on a technicality, but is still largely misleading.

Sam Stein

[monicaangela]

1. Largely misleading?

Knowing all she knows...I'd say it was an outright lie.

[Eric J in MN]

42. Yes, Senator Bernie Sanders voted for a bill which was just an Auto Bailout in Dec 2008.

Senator Hillary Clinton voted for it, too.

The vote was 52-35 in favor. However, it needed 60 votes to proceed because of Senate Republicans.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2008Dec12/0,4675,SenateRollCallAutos,00.html

Then Bush used TARP money to bail out the auto industry.

Then there was a Jan 2009 bill to primarily continue the Wall St bailout, which secondarily had more money for the auto industry. Clinton voted for it and Sanders voted against it.

In the debate on Sunday, Hillary Clinton portrayed that January 2009 bill which was primarily about continuing the Wall St bailout as being all about the auto industry.

And she pretended that the December vote hadn't taken place.

She said, "I’ll tell you something else that Senator Sanders was against. He was against the auto bailout...If everybody had voted the way he did, I believe the auto industry would have collapsed."

However, if everyone voted as Sanders did in Dec 2008, then a separate Auto Bailout would have passed.

[monicaangela]

43. Exactly Eric J in MN

Thank you for spelling it out so that there is no mistake about it, she was deliberately lying.

[Debraann]

2. Axelrod..not even half cute

The fact is Mr. Axelrod...Sanders was in support of the auto bailout but his hatred of Wall Street caused him to ultimately vote NO on the bill that saved the auto industry, jobs...and many people's retirement and investments. The less than attractive pieces of the bill was actually helpful in starting to turn the economy around. Hillary voted YES. That is fact. And claiming Sanders did anything to HELP the auto industry is just wrong. And I think you know it. Best wishes doesn't cut it.

You cried foul on this truth but Sanders hits her all the time on the Iraq war when SHE was lied to as was many others on WMD and given massaged intelligence...to make their decisions....oh but Sanders said no so he is somehow exhibiting better judgment.

Tell me...why is that double standard still out there. Sanders has not always been truthful, he has been rude...he goes around telling college populations across the US....free college for all....$15 an hour minimum wage...and on and on....he says WE have to have a revolution for all this free stuff. Glossed over...you will ALL have to get together and do it yourselves. He is calling for MLK level protests....and no one calls him on it.

I am voting for the most qualified candidate with international affairs, proven track record of actually getting things done domestically, someone who doesn't promise way more than a second grader would know they can't deliver, someone who will represent me to get things done because I am too busy trying to just keep my head above water to march in revolution parades, someone who doesn't treat women who are way more qualified than him rude....and someone who IS actually a Democrat. I trust Hillary Clinton.

He who lies should not stand in judgment of liars.

But if I am wrong....I will enjoy watching what happens when all the promises of free stuff....money for all...Robin Hood Sanders self destructs when the Republicans get done with him....

[zigby]

6. How many designer gowns in YOUR closet?

[Marr]

7. Hey Mr. Brock.

Welcome to the site.

[jillan]

9. Zing!

[jillan]

8. Bernie heard the same LIES she heard so don't give me that crap! We are still paying for that vote

in treasure and human life & limbs AND the rise of ISIS. Not to mention how under her leadership she made Libya a terrorist haven.
Now she wants to do that to Syria.

There is a reason why Bernie has the support of the veterans. Hillary's track record on foreign affairs is horrid.

We have very heated debates on this forum but your vitriol is beyond the pale.
Enjoy your stay here. You sound like a very bitter, misinformed person.

[Luminous Animal]

10. Really. Because not Hillary not any newspaper reports at the time mentioned saving the auto

industry. Go ahead. And saving the industry was no where in the Senate bill.

Go ahead. Find me one clip or one report that Hillary advocates for saving the auto industry via this bill. Who won't because every public pronouncement from Hillary is about rescuing the financial industry.

Why? Because that is precisely what this bill was written to do.

[Punkingal]

11. For pete's sake...

[B Calm]

18. We were lied to about the Iraq War too, but DU knew better and Hillary ignored us and

millions of protestors from all around the world and voted for the Iraq War.

[VulgarPoet]

20. Something reeks of Karl Rove in here

So bombing brown people and ruining what, five nation states counts as experience in national affairs? In that case, we could nominate anyone who plays Call of Duty to the SecState position and still call them experienced is what you're telling me.

[fun n serious]

22. Very well said.

Welcome to DU. Stick around we need you.

[pdsimdars]

23. Fantasizing

Bernie regularly gets 20% of the REPUBLICAN vote in his state. They know him and trust him. It is not possible to know Hillary because she shape shifts every few months and that is why she has among the lowest "trust" rating of all the candidates, Republican and Democratic. And Bernie's is the highest.
The people are on to you.

[merrily]

28. Performance art?

[Fumesucker]

37. You will enjoy watching the Democratic party lose to the Republicans?

Just so you can feel schadenfreude over the Berniebros?

[Broward]

44. The multiverse must be real.

[jillan]

3. Axelrod called it "below the belt" on CNN & said this feeds into the narrative of why people don't

trust her.

[ibegurpard]

4. in other words

She LIED.

[superkona]

16. Doh

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[pdsimdars]

24. P E R F E C T -- sometimes the stars just align!

[SMC22307]

5. "a little too cute by half.”

That'll be Hillary's undoing. Er, at least one contributing factor to Hillary's undoing.

[Waiting For Everyman]

12. She tried to lie to people who knew their facts.

Those people in Michigan know who screwed them over and how it was done. I wish more would catch up with them. But that will come... I'll say this, when it does come it won't be pretty.

[Debraann]

13. Ignorance is bliss..

My father was an army ranger and special ops...he does not support Bernie Sanders. We have generations of military in our family. We don't support Trump either even though he gave them huge donations.

I do not nor have I ever owned a designer gown.

Attacking someone personally for having a different opinion of the facts than you is juvenile.

I doubt any one of you have been given multi-million dollar financial messes globally to turn around....I have and i did multiple times and that has given me respect for the different skill set and tremendous amount of effort that has been done in the last 8 years to restore our country from tanking.

Here is a news flash....President Obama and Hillary Clinton are not the scapegoats for everything ailing this country....or your life. They kept our country from tanking facing scandalous obstruction in Congress. It doesn't take a political genius to come by and point out everything that still needs to be done.

Arm chair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen. If you support a socialist who just joined the Democratic party this election cycle because he knew as a Republican candidate....actually just ask him why yourself.

As an American I am entitled to my own political opinions and vote. i have done my homework. My family has fought and died to preserve that right...I respect your right to your opinions.

I am not vile....I am well educated, well liked, and a lifelong Democrat.

[cyberswede]

15. "because he knew as a Republican candidate"

WTF?

Sanders is a democratic socialist. He has always caucused with the Democrats. His positions are on the left side of the spectrum (and are more true to Democratic principles than those of a fair number of other congressional Dems).

There's no way he would have ever run as a fucking Republican.

[noiretextatique]

35. I noticed this new meme

Bernie is really a republican...it's called projection. Hillary is in lockstep with republicans on most issues.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. Supporting the military supports socialism, as does supporting military personnel--all socialists nt

[VulgarPoet]

21. Military socialist right here, tbh...

[fun n serious]

19. Welcome to DU.

I am an Obama Democrat!

[pdsimdars]

26. Well, you sure don't sound like you are well educated or have a grasp of the facts and records.

BTW, he has caucused with the Democrats his whole career and they appreciated him so much they put him on committees and made him the head of committees.
AND no one is blaming Hillary and Barack for all the country's ills. No one is totally good or bad. But there are very specific examples and issues where they have been more Republican than progressive. The TPP being the biggest.
"Lifelong Democrat" means nothing to me. I go on the ISSUES and not the LABELS. It's what you do that matters, not what you have as a lapel pin.

[pdsimdars]

29. If ignorance is bliss, you sure must be happy

[tazkcmo]

30. My father was not.

He was just NG. No active duty, no wars. My 2 older brothers were just active duty Navy, no SEALS experience there, either. Me? Just a dumb old supply sergeant with no special ops experience. Having said that, what does my family's military experience or yours have to do with anything and what does this mean?:

"If you support a socialist who just joined the Democratic party this election cycle because he knew as a Republican candidate....actually just ask him why yourself."

You are entitled to your opinions and when you give them on a discussion board be prepared to defend them because with or with out military service, everyone here has the same rights.

[islandmkl]

32. make an 'educated' guess...how many 'foreign affair' successes does the former SOS have

on her resume? Exactly what are they? Compared to what?

I appreciate your dad's service...but what does that have to do with anything? I, too, am a lifelong Democrat...what you might consider old-school...you know, FDR, Truman, JFK, RFK, McGovern, Carter...and the current TW/DLC leadership have gone away, way to the right, from what are fundamental Democratic Party principles...

I've been teargassed, hit with batons, chased down the street by the National Guard, refused to be served because of the race of the friends I was with...and all that is because I believed in the principles my father instilled in me...

core Democratic Party values...

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

33. Generations of military in your family...

Then you know socialism very intimately.

The United States military is one of if not the... largest socialist organizations in the world.

Since socialism gave you... I assume your father had a hand in raising you... A heads up in life,
And a socialist "just joined" the Democratic Party, you should be estatic!

[noamnety]

36. Hey, how does your army ranger dad feel

about that whole Bosnia sniper thing? Have you asked him?

[snooper2]

41. run-on sentence?

I HATE it when those happen

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Hmmm I gotta wonder...is axelrod working as an Obama Surrogate?

If so...things just got...Machiavellian

[Bgordon747]

25. Obama’s Top Guy Thinks Clinton Took A Cheap Shot

The best gift Hillary gave Bernie in Michigan, was to point out that Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout containing auto industry money, and she voted for it. You don't give bankers $700 billion so Chrysler and GM can get $17 billion. Hillary admitted that she voted for Wall Street and Bernie did not. She thinks that a negative for Bernie, but I feel it is a positive vote on his record.

[merrily]

27. No, Bubba's statement is not technically true. It's totally made up bullshit hypothetical.

Who says the bills would still have been joined if the head of the Democratic Party at that time (Sanders) wanted one but not the other?

They were twinned to make it harder to vote against the bailout because Obama wanted to pay out on TARP.

Would Pelosi and Reid have thumbed their noses at the head of the Democratic Party?

How does Bubba know that since this is purely hypothetical?



And let's talk about what made TARP arguably necessary: Two bills Bubba lobbied for and signed.

Let's talk about why people could not get jobs then to try to save their homes. Bills Bubba signed.

[BernieforPres2016]

31. That was the smear during the debate

The smear after the debate was that Bernie was sexist by interrupting Hillary (who was interrupting him) and out of touch with African Americans because he used the word "ghetto".

Voters were reminded by these dirty tricks of why they don't like or trust the Clintons.

[DCBob]

34. Yeah, I heard that too and agree with him... however he didn't use the words "cheap shot".

Originally I thought Hillary was right but after further review I do believe that was a misleading attack on Senator Sanders. In fact that may have backfired and caused her loss last night. I hope her campaign realizes that was a mistake and doesnt need to go there. She can win this without those kinds of attacks.

[NWCorona]

38. Hillary broke the 47th law of power.

[EndElectoral]

39. Her exit polls on trustworthy were so bad it was 4 out of 5 untrustworthy in Michigan.

That ain't getting her the presidency even if she is the nominee.

[Miles Archer]

40. The Kochs and Sheldon Adelson are sitting on their wallets

When they start writing checks, it's gonna get ugly, and fast.

If Clinton gets the nomination, I'm not sure what kind of rabbit she and Bill are going to pull out of their hats. I've heard that they intend to launch a full-frontal against Trump, which they would absolutely need to do if he is the nominee, but the other half of that equation is that she would need to warm up Bernie voters, and independents, and cross-over Republicans. I don't see the Republican thing happening at all. My assumption is that whether she or Bernie ends up as our candidate, it will be time for the grass roots "get out the vote" efforts in full force, because the Republicans are operating under a full head of bloodlust. As much as people don't want to hear it, any Democrat who stays home will automatically be casting a vote for Trump, or even worse, Cruz.

Ms. Clinton will or will not face the fact that she is not well liked by a number of people. I just don't know what she can do about it. The people I know who dislike her really, really, really dislike her. Intensely. I'm not sure how that kind of an image can be "rehabilitated."