Do only minorities support Clinton?

[21st Century Poet]

We know that minorities, especially blacks, largely favour Hillary Clinton, but how many non-minority voters favour her?

When there is a large black voting bloc in a state, she wins. When there isn't, she falls flat.

Minority votes may be enough to carry her through to the Democratic nomination but I doubt that that would be enough to help her win a general election. Does anyone have data about this? Is Clinton just a minority-only attraction? I think this is something which should be discussed.

[HassleCat]

1. I don't know. Some kind of backlash going on?

The Clinton campaign hit the black voter thing very hard, emphasizing the "firewall" they represented, and how they would finish off the Sanders campaign once and for all. Many black Clinton supporters, at least on this site, emphasized, "You can't win the presidency without us." Clinton made heavy use of photo ops in black churches, and positioned black people prominently at her events. Maybe this offended some white people. It didn't offend me because it wasn't directed at me personally.

[21st Century Poet]

4. She needs more than just them.

She cannot win without them but she cannot win with them only either, hence my question.

[bettyellen]

10. "THEM" - way to go buddy. Enjoy your stay at DU.

[21st Century Poet]

13. Nothing wrong with the word 'them', bettyellen. It is grammatically correct.

The original reply had the sentence "You cannot win without us". I made reference to that sentence but I am not 'us'. The correct grammatical word for me to use is therefore 'them'. This is simple grammar one learns in 1st grade and it is 100% correct. There is no underlying sentiment to it. I find people who see racism everywhere very tiring so do please get off my thread if that is your inclination.

[bettyellen]

15. "Is Clinton just a minority-only attraction?" is grammatically correct too, but repulsive.

Not even grounded in facts. Any excuse to embarrass good Dems on both sides, eh?
We see you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. As a white person I apologize for the thinly veiled racism.

We have so much work to do, so much work...

[21st Century Poet]

28. You are incorrect.

There is no racism, veiled or otherwise. Calling that sentence racist is as dumb as calling Sanders sexist for resisting Clinton trying to interrupt his speech.

Stop reducing everything to racism and sexism. It's very tiring, gets us nowhere and belittles real incidents which are truly racist and sexist.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Please spare me your lectures. I only listen to those I respect.

Thank you in advance.

[21st Century Poet]

39. This is not a lecture.

Lectures are given orally in the form of a long speech.

How can one communicate if people fail to use words correctly?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Semantics notwithstanding...

Semantics notwithstanding, I only accept instruction from those I respect.

What you are doing is odious and despicable, no matter how much camouflage and sleight of hand you believe you concealed it with.

It is shameful. In fact I am embarrassed for you.

[21st Century Poet]

45. I am not instructing you either.

I am not instructing you to say or do anything. My post is simply a question asking how wide Mrs Clinton's appeal is. If politicians and pollsters can break down voters into different society sectors based on age, education, income, race, religion, geography, gender and so on, then I don't see why we cannot do the same in our discussions. I am simply ASKING if voters across the board like her or if there are gaps in her voting base. If she gets the Democratic Party's nomination, I want her to win.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. She is winning the popular vote by 1, 650,000, votes

That should speak for itself.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html


Here's an exercise. She has actually won more non-minority votes than the Vermont senator. Please feel free to confirm or disconfirm my math.

Thank you in advance.

[21st Century Poet]

62. Thank you.

That is more like the answer I was looking for. See how easy it is?

Thank you.

[ieoeja]

49. Soviets, American Communists and Cuba did not believe Oswald was a commie.

Because he acted like a rightwing stereotype of a communist.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I suspect the Soviets were suspicious of him because he was a true believer.

[ieoeja]

55. The CIA released his personnel record a few years ago.

Not that it should have taken a CIA admission that he was one of theirs to figure it out.

He never spoke with his communist parents after reaching adulthood precisely because they were communist.

When he started his communist pretense while working in military intelligence for the Marine Corps, the Marine Corps left him with his security clearance working with classified documents because, hey, why wouldn't we let communists run our military intelligence at the height of the Cold War?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. I am flummoxed now.

So he was not a true believer?

[ieoeja]

59. It is possible he flipped. But if so he would be the first ex-communist re-patriate I ever heard of.

He was raised Communist and rejected it soundly as an adult. From the 60s through the 90s you could almost cookie cutter the bios of Rightist authors:

"I was a Democrat in College. But when I found out how horrible those people were, I switched."

And then if you researched their college history you would find that they were active in the American Communist Party or some other such entity, not the Democratic Party. They went from extreme Left to equally extreme Right. And I don't know of a one that ever returned to Communist. Biggest recovery I can think of is Brock who went from extreme Right to left leaning Conservative.

In Oswald's case the US Marines and CIA certainly thought he was no communist.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

89. David Horowitz was a member of the Students For a Democratic Society.

Mussolini went from from being a young Marxist to a fascist and believed in both with equal fervor.

[21st Century Poet]

80. How did Oswald come into the discussion?

Nobody mentioned him before you did. It almost seems like a reply to a completely different thread.

Sorry, but I'm confused.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

109. I believe he was pointing out a person who might not be who he holds himself out to be./nt

[bettyellen]

29. It is embarrassing no one else is calling the OP on this. As long as it appears to be anti- Hillary

any sort of gross insertions can be posted here. I almost think it is here to make SBS supporters look bad.

[wryter2000]

37. I suspect the same

I see a lot of stuff here that proposes to make Hillary Clinton look bad but is so off the wall, it has the opposite effect of making Bernie Sanders supporters look like awful.

And accept an apology from another white person for this attempt to belittle poc voters.

[bettyellen]

43. Absolutely- it is sad so many here fall for this shit. It is not even an accurate assessment of mix

of voters, yet few argue it's veracity. And it is deliberately putting down POC. Do people not see they are being trolled- or do they not care?

[21st Century Poet]

61. Its not it's

'It's' is short for 'it is' or 'it has', depending on the situation. 'Its' means that it belongs to it.

And if you are going to use acronyms such as PoC, type the letter representing the preposition ('of' is a preposition) with a small letter.

I am not assessing. I am asking. Question-marks represent questions not assessments. My question is based on the general perception that Clinton appeals more to minorities because they are more moderate in their politics and Sanders appeals more to young whites because they are generally more progressive.

You really need to brush up on your grammar and vocabulary before you start making wild accusations about other people because some are going to conclude that you are the one who is trolling. My post was alerted (by you?) and all seven judges saw nothing wrong with it.

[bettyellen]

64. Yeah, thee is an acronym for this sort of OP, JAQ. As in JAQing off.

I'm sure you are familiar with that one.

[21st Century Poet]

68. I am not familiar with that term at all.

Can you please tell me what the letters JAQ represent?

I have looked it up on the internet and everything from Jobs and Analysis Questionnaire to Jesus and the Quran came up. I really don't know what you mean.

Generally, I avoid using acronyms because I think that full words make for much better communication and less lazy writing.

[bettyellen]

69. The act of asking leading questions to influence your audience, then hiding behind the defense...

..... that they're "Just Asking Questions," ...


https://www.google.com/#q=jaqing+off

[wryter2000]

71. Usually asking the questions

because they're "concerned."

[21st Century Poet]

73. I am indeed concerned.

That is why I asked the question.

[21st Century Poet]

72. Thank you for clearing that up.

You are incorrect, though. Mine was an honest question wanting an honest answer. I am worried that the Democratic Party's nominee might not have enough broad support to win the general election. Many people don't seem to think so. That is good. Some sectors of society are more progressive than others. Maybe Mrs Clinton can win over both moderates and progressives, minorities and majorities. That is the information I am after.

[bettyellen]

75. No one who has read anything about the voter demographics this primary season would ask if

"Only" minorities support Clinton. If you knew about the minority vote, you also saw the %s of white and hispanics. No one reports one without the others.

You knew better than your question implies, but you pretended to be concerned. We see you.

[21st Century Poet]

79. You cannot see me.

You would have to be standing in front of me to do that. I suppose you want to say that you can see through me, but never mind.

My question is genuine. Bernie Sanders is winning states which do not have a large percentage of minority voters (disclaimer: I prefer Bernie Sanders's policies) which leads me to wonder whether, in a general election, Mrs Clinton will struggle to win states in which minorities are, well, a minority.

[21st Century Poet]

67. You suspect wrongly.

My post is questioning how wide Mrs Clinton's appeal is. My question is based on the general perception that minorities favour Mrs Clinton's policies because they are more moderate and young whites favour Mr Sanders's policies because they are more progressive. I am simply asking where the gaps in appeal are because I want the Democratic Party's nominee to win the election.

If this kind of thing is off the wall, then we can shut Democratic Underground down and not have political discussion at all.

[21st Century Poet]

44. My post is not anti-Hillary.

My post is simply asking a question about how wide her appeal is because, to win general elections, a presidential candidate needs wide appeal. My post is a question seeking answers which I don't have. It is neither pro nor anti-anyone.

Just to clarify my position, I like Mr Sanders's policies better but I have no issue with Mrs Clinton becoming president instead.

I hope this clears things up for you. Thank you for showing interest in my thread.

[bettyellen]

50. "simply asking a question" HA.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

102. It is rather sickening and disgusting here at the moment.

Almost makes a decent liberal like myself or I guess someone like you ask why bother anymore?

I mean you have the entire GOP on one side fighting decency and progress, then you find it here too.

Fuck that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

104. "Every brother ain't a brother." - Chuck D

Not every liberal is a liberal.

[21st Century Poet]

24. Grammar is not repulsive.

If 'us' is not repulsive, then neither is 'them'. 'I', 'you, 'he', 'she', 'it', 'we', 'us', 'they', 'them', the English language is full of beautiful words. You should use them.

Bernie Sanders is a 'he' and Hillary Clinton is a 'she'. 'They' are presidential candidates for the Democratic Party and people are voting for 'them'. 'They' want 'us' to vote so 'we' have to choose between 'them'. If Mr Sanders becomes president, 'his' wife will become the First Lady and if Mrs Clinton becomes president, 'her' husband will become the first First Gentleman.

See, there is nothing repulsive about grammatically correct sentences. Sometimes a sentence means just what it says. Stop seeing things which are not there.

[bettyellen]

31. Oh please. Your OP has no basis in fact and is deliberately offensive. Take your grammar bullshit

somewhere else- you KNOW that is not the issue. You're making Dems look like race baiting jerks, and I don't think it is an accident.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. I feel ya...

This is making me sad and upset but reaffirms what I believe in my bones...

[bettyellen]

33. Lots of people embracing the trolling here. :shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Reminds me of what Malcolm said about...

Reminds me of what Malcolm said about "what they call a black man with a PhD when he leaves the room."

[21st Century Poet]

81. I would call him Dr...

or Sir, Mr, man, he or him, depending on the situation.

What would you call him?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. However he desired to be addressed.

[21st Century Poet]

66. My post is not offensive.

Something cannot be offensive in and of itself. You were offended, and that's fine, but don't try to project your feelings onto everybody else. Just because you find something offensive it does not mean that someone was trying to be offensive or that other people find what is being said offensive. My post was alerted and all seven judges found nothing wrong with it.

Here are the results:

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why not make your case they they're wrong rather than alerting on this
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I hope we don't become so over-sensitive that things like this can't be asked.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Clinton is only a candidate of minorities because they support her"?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: leave it The OP is a question not a declaration of fact. The responses
are ridiculous to assign nefarious racial bias and there is nothing that
speaks to the alert claim that the OP is saying or implying minority
voters should not count. The responses accusing the OP are also
fond of mocking Sanders as clueless on black voters and that is ok
to do as well. It is a primary speaking to discuss strengths and
weaknesses on each candidate. There is no question the data supports
why Clinton had an edge in southern states.

[merrily]

98. Jury results

Telling people to get off his thread when questioning some borderline remarks regarding race is more than rude. Please hide this.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:58 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This was very close to a hide for me. I disagree what I think OP is intending to do but cannot see enough clear evidence in the alerted post (given the exchange that preceded it) that it was rude, racist, etc., enough to hide.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think pronouns are taught a bit later than first grade. Other than that 21st Century Poet's English lesson is spot on. Nothing about using a pronoun correctly has anything at all to do with racism. The alerter is simply wrong.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously? Someone got offended because they desperately need to accuse someone of racism, then got all flustered when the accused gave them a grammar lesson and made them look silly? Too good.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Rude and bullying, but not hideworthy.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yeah - feels like the grammatical parsing of a troll.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[m-lekktor]

26. are you for fucking real? what pronouns are we allowed to use?

Last edited Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:55 PM - Edit history (1)

holy CRAP!

[bettyellen]

34. The OP is contending it is about pronouns. He fooled you twice now!

[21st Century Poet]

63. It is indeed about pronouns.

If 'them' is offensive, then so is 'us', and you have to provide alternatives.

If you think that 'them' is offensive but 'us' is not, then you don't only fail at grammar and vocabulary but you also fail at basic logic. If 'we' exist, then so do 'they'. 'Us' cannot exist without 'them.'

I'm not fooling anybody. Your logic, grammar and vocabulary are faulty. Sorry if that sounds harsh but that is the real problem here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Have we not made any progress at all?

Exhibit A

Mr. Perot, who has yet to announce his independent candidacy for President, offered no other specific programs and left much of his audience offended by his remarks. One man heckled him and others made negative comments to him when he twice used the phrase "your people" in singling out the problems of blacks. Mr. Perot also spoke of his parents' generosity toward blacks in the segregated South of his youth in a way that many said they found condescending. Shouted Objections

Talking about the nation's economic problems, Mr. Perot said: "Financially, at least, it's going to be a long, hot summer. I don't have to tell you who gets hurt first when this sort of thing happens, do I? You, your people do. Your people do. I know that and you know that."

One man called out objecting to the phrase. He called out again later when Mr. Perot said it was "your people" who suffer most from runaway crime.

Willie Clark, president of the N.A.A.C.P. branch in San Bernadino, Calif., said the overall tone of Mr. Perot's remarks and particularly his use of the phrase "your people" reflected how culturally out of touch he was with his audience.

"When he said 'you people' or 'your people,' it was like waving a red flag in front of a bull," he said. "It's something white folks have used when they don't want to call you ------ but they don't want to treat you like an equal."





http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/12/us/the-1992-campaign-racial-politics-perot-speech-gets-cool-reception-at-naacp.html?pagewanted=all

[21st Century Poet]

70. A bad comparison?

I did not use the term 'your people' so I am not sure what point you are trying to make. It seems to me that you are just making a bad comparison.

[elljay]

54. The only pronouns you are allowed to use are ones that support Hillary

All other pronouns, nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs are racist and sexist.

[fun n serious]

86. Unreal isn't it?

I swear I took a wrong turn and ended up on a RW site sometimes...

[Attorney in Texas]

7. It's more cultural than racial. Sanders wins progressives of all races; Hillary wins centrists of

all races.

[marions ghost]

52. This is the distinction

that needs to be made.

[dana_b]

2. no - older white people love her too

She will do very well in Florida, for example, It's a closed primary and there are a lot of retirees and minorities.

[demwing]

74. We're stupid enough to re-elect Rick Scott

we'll certainly vote for Hillary

[21st Century Poet]

78. Thank you for just answering the question.

Some people found my post anti-Hillary or racist so it is nice to see someone just answering a simple question with a simple answer.

Pollsters and politicians are always going on about how women, men, whites, African Americans, Latinos, Evangelicals, Muslims, northerners, southerners, wealthy, poor, highly educated, poorly educated, and so on, people vote so I see nothing particularly wrong about having such a discussion.

So thank you to you and all the others who tried to give a good answer to my question and stuck to the topic at hand.

I am fairly new to Democratic Underground so I am still learning about people's sensitivities around here.

PS I'm rooting for Bernie Sanders too.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

103. rich ones.

She does very well with the very wealthy.

[Lizzie Poppet]

3. Not at all.

If that were the case, she'd get beaten by enormous margins, even in states with comparatively large black populations, and even in closed primaries. Whites are still the majority, and in many places by quite a bit.

[rgoop]

5. Obviously not

A lot of whites vote for her too.

[Attorney in Texas]

6. Not if Dearborn, Michigan is any indication

http://www.ibtimes.com/bernie-sanders-wins-big-michigan-muslims-political-pundits-cant-quite-believe-it-2333030

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Do not make the mistake of thinking AA are a monolithic group

30 percent broke for sanders las night. Which annoyed some folks by the way. This is very regional. Also young Muslims broke for Sanders too as well as other minorities.

Regions are different

[Fast Walker 52]

9. I assume the poster meant in the aggregate

Obviously, Hillary doesn't get 100% of the black vote, but clearly it's been a dominant factor in her victories.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Yes, but this shows Sanders making inroads

As predicted. Which is also the other point

[Fast Walker 52]

53. agreed-- I'm sure AA support for him will grow as he does better

and if Bernie is the nominee, I would be surprised if they didn't support him with strong enthusiasm.

[vdogg]

58. Not really, I don't see him making in roads per se.

It's just that, as you said earlier, it's regional. Another state voted last night too, Missisippi. He carried 14% of AA vote down there, very similar to the rest of the southern states. On the same night Michigan gave him 30% AA vote. All this says is that we are just as subject to regional influences as any other ethnic group, we're not a monolithic voting block across the nation.

[21st Century Poet]

16. It's true that they are not monolithic, but still.

No group is truly monolithic because you will always find exceptions but the numbers speak for themselves. Sanders struggles when it comes to attracting black people's votes and Clinton does not. One can definitely see a pattern of African Americans voting monolithically even though your statement is correct.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Ok anywhere from 10 to 15 points growth

Is significant.

I know people will not give up this talking point easily, but I can say that Clinton struggles with independents. That is a far more worrisome for the GE

[Cal Carpenter]

19. I'd say 1 out of 3 black voters

is more than 'exceptions'. It is a huge block of voters. Is it really that easy to write all those people off or ignore them?

I'm not sure where your impressions are coming from but after last night I can't fathom how you 'definitely see a pattern of African Americans voting monolithically', to use your words. Sure, Hillary got the majority of black votes in Michigan, but Bernie got plenty too, and did well with other minority groups.

[Beacool]

12. Conversely, can Sanders only get whites and the very young?

I think that Hillary is doing fine and it's ridiculous to say she only attracts minorities.

Here are the results of the MI exit polls.

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/mi/Dem

[mmonk]

21. Bernie is doing fine with Latinos and Muslim Americans in

my area. Nothing is either or.

[Avalux]

76. Bernie won Dearborn by a huge margin.

That city is mostly Arab American and they don't care that Bernie is Jewish. So awesome!

[mmonk]

108. Yes, that is awesome.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. Are Arabs considered "white"?

See results for Dearborn, MI, from yesterdays primaries.

[21st Century Poet]

85. The reverse is also true.

Obviously, the reverse is also true and the question about Mr Sanders's appeal to minority voters has been asked many times but Mrs Clinton seems to be on the way to winning the nomination so who Mr Sanders is able to appeal to is quickly becoming irrelevant. At this point, my mind is more focused on Mrs Clinton because, although I prefer Mr Sanders's policies, I don't think he is going to be able turn things around and win.

[Bluenorthwest]

99. Oklahoma is 25% minority voters , and Bernie won big among Native Americans among others

Of the contiguous 48 States Oklahoma has the highest percentage of Native American voters and Bernie has some strong support coming from the tribes. Many Clinton supporters characterized OK as 'exclusively white' after that win, which of course is a slight to the 25% of the State that is not white.

[Zorra]

17. No, most minority groups do not largely favor Hillary Clinton. nt

[MisterP]

22. alert results

this is a rather transparent attempt to say minority voters shouldn't count because they're, well, a minority. Stating that Clinton is only a candidate of minorities because they support her is the logic white supremacists use--if minorities support a person, then white people must oppose her. Note the post count along with this rather toxic assumption. Not to mention the fact that lots of white people did vote for Clinton.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:06 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why not make your case they they're wrong rather than alerting on this
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I hope we don't become so over-sensitive that things like this can't be asked.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Clinton is only a candidate of minorities because they support her"?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: leave it The OP is a question not a declaration of fact. The responses
are ridiculous to assign nefarious racial bias and there is nothing that
speaks to the alert claim that the OP is saying or implying minority
voters should not count. The responses accusing the OP are also
fond of mocking Sanders as clueless on black voters and that is ok
to do as well. It is a primary speaking to discuss strengths and
weaknesses on each candidate. There is no question the data supports
why Clinton had an edge in southern states.

[21st Century Poet]

35. Thank you to all the people who voted to leave it alone.

Last edited Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:44 PM - Edit history (1)

My post is simply a question. At no point does it say that minorities' votes should not count and I have no idea where the alerter got that idea. If candidates and pollsters can break up voters into different society sectors according to age, education, religion, race, income, geography and so on, then I don't see why we cannot do the same in our discussions. My post is simply intended as a question. I asked for data and opinions.

Thank you for leaving it alone.

[MisterP]

38. and someone who alerts and gets a 7-0 jury result gets a time-out on alerts

for 24 hours

[21st Century Poet]

94. I did not know that.

It's a pity that people are so incredibly touchy. How can we have straight-shooting policy, demography and electioneering discussions if we keep alerting posts on such spurious grounds? Discussion can become near impossible if people keep taking offence instead of simply tackling issues.

[Hekate]

23. Inasmuch as we are on the cusp of becoming a "minority majority" country that's not a bad thing

Right?

Hillary's other powerful demographic has always been women old enough to have experienced life some years out of college.

Just sayin'

[BlueMTexpat]

106. Good points all. eom

[jcgoldie]

27. She's leading the popular vote

by 1.65 million people. Pretty sure that answers the question.

[zappaman]

40. You seem concerned.

I'm concerned about your concern and find it concerning.

[Peregrine Took]

41. She needs them a lot more then they need her.

Bernie's policies would be much more helpful for all people

[beaglelover]

47. No, I'm a white middle aged man and I'm 100% for Hillary over Bernie. And my friends who are white

are also supporting Hillary, even their kids. I actually don't know anyone who supports Bernie.

[cheapdate]

56. Yes, no white person supports Clinton, only minorities support her. Gawd! What an idiotic question!

[bettyellen]

65. I think he wants to embarrass Sanders supporters and trash Clinton at the same time.

"Just asking questions" my ass.

[21st Century Poet]

83. Why so many vulgar words?

Do you always use so many vulgarities when you speak? That is usually a sign of limited vocabulary, crassness and lack of critical thinking.

If you are a Clinton supporter, you are not exactly a great advertisement for her. You doth protest too much about being an embarrassment. Make sure that you do not turn into one yourself.

[bettyellen]

84. Blather on about grammar some more- maybe no one will notice what bullshit the OP is, right?

You KNEW better if you read anything about the demographics. We both know this.

[bettyellen]

93. You are the person who had "trouble" understanding demographics, according to the OP.

This pedant schtick is actually pretty funny, but fools no one.

[21st Century Poet]

96. It's not a shtick, it's not pedantic and it's not funny.

It is a manner of engaging with and understanding the world around you. It is sad that you think it's funny. You still have much to learn.

[bettyellen]

100. The question "Do only minorities support Clinton?" was not based on the info you actually read.

the stats always include breakdowns of all races. You know that.
As much you try and pretend you were trying to "understand" anything at all, you obviously already knew the whole premise of your OP was false.

[Smarmie Doofus]

60. You are correct here: It should be examined and discussed.

>>>>Minority votes may be enough to carry her through to the Democratic nomination but I doubt that that would be enough to help her win a general election. Does anyone have data about this? Is Clinton just a minority-only attraction? I think this is something which should be discussed.>>>>

It won't be. Not HERE anyway. But it ought to be.

[21st Century Poet]

92. It's a minefield.

I used to wonder why Sanders supporters did not discuss the black vote more often on this website seeing that he has always struggled with African Americans. Now I know why. Bringing up demographics is like walking into a minefield.

[silvershadow]

77. Dumbest meme ever. Divisive. Don't bite, folks. Just let it die. nt

[21st Century Poet]

91. I don't do memes.

And this is not an apple so there is nothing to bite. I am just trying to discuss a topic. Many people have answered the question without making a fuss. Why try to turn it into something scary? This is about whether some demographics will accept a nominee who is less progressive than they would like. That's all.

[MisterP]

97. if anyone's being snookered into voting for *Rahm flipping Emanuel*

that means we have a problem, and we can't taboo it

[Ken Burch]

82. No. A chunk of my fellow white folks do too, apparently.

HRC has been planning to run for president for decades, and thus has built stronger connections to the leadership of the AA community.

The idea of a presidential campaign likely never occurred to Bernie before 2014, and thus he hadn't built those relationships.

The AA votes cast so far were from the states in which the AA community is most deferential to those who identify as its leaders.

Bernie did much better among AA voters in MI, a state in which AA people are probably more class-conscious and where the AA political tradition has been much more open to militant and even radical ideas historically than in the South.

How it will go in Illinois is a very open question.

HRC is vulnerable among AA voters there because of her alliance with Rahm Emanuel, who is now despised by the vast majority of the AA community. And Bernie, as has been noted, has a history in Chicago. So what we see there could be very, very different.

This could also be the case in California and New York.

[olddots]

90. thankyou Ken

you hopefully explained to alot of people about this whole thing .

[JI7]

95. most white people support rePublicans

[noretreatnosurrender]

101. Another one of these threads?

Please go away and stop trying to divide people.

[BlueMTexpat]

105. Well, she didn't exactly fall flat

in IA and MA. Neither was a landslide win, but still.... Yesterday's loss was also close, although it should not have been according to the polls. Bernie deserves his kudos for that.

So, Hillary has hardly fallen flat, although AAs, Latinos and women generally have been her strongest supporters.

The answer is that she actually does very well across ALL groups. She's won more of the popular vote than ANY candidate in either party and leads Bernie by 1.6 million+.

It's just that Bernie does BETTER with millennials and those who call themselves independents. The latter especially can be fanatically devoted, but that devotion can turn sour very quickly. This is why many of us who have been around for a while eye them warily.

Insofar as millennials are concerned, most came of political age in the past few years when Clinton has gotten relentlessly bad press from GOPers who are terrified of having her as the Dem candidate (Benghazi, Emailgate, blame for bad things that happened when she wasn't even in office and when others actually made the decisions). They know none of her substantive accomplishments and dedication to public service. Worse, they do not even want to learn about it.

It doesn't help that some here on DU do a great job carrying the GOP's water in smearing Hillary in any way that they can.

[Hekate]

107. Incidentally, where are you writing from? Do you have any actual skin in our game?

Or do you just "favour" alternate spellings? Just curious -- just as you seem to be.