2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFact Checkers Agree: Bernie Sanders Voted To Protect The Minutemen
At last nights debate, Senator Sanders was confronted with his vote in support of an amendment to protect the extreme nativist vigilante group known as the Minutemen and then flatly denied voting to support them.
JORGE RAMOS: Did you support the Minutemen? Did you support the Minutemen as the Secretary said?
BERNIE SANDERS: Of course not. There was a piece of legislation supported by dozens and dozens of members of the House which codified existing legislation.
The fact checkers have weighed in and concluded that Clinton was right:
Washington Post Fact Checker: While Sanders suggested the measure was a small part of a larger bill, it was approved in a recorded vote as a stand-alone amendment.
Politifact: Still, as with Clintons charge about indefinite detention, her statement about Sanders supporting an amendment favorable to the Minutemen is largely accurate.
Politico Wrongometer: Actually, Sanders did vote to protect the Minutemen
AP Fact Check: THE FACTS: She was right about his vote
Factcheck.org: But in this case, Sanders voted in favor of a stand-alone amendment proposed by Minutemen-friendly Republicans. Sanders argued that the legislation merely codified existing policy, but it was opposed by a majority of Democrats.
http://correctrecord.org/fact-checkers-agree-bernie-sanders-voted-to-protect-the-minutemen/
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)This is what Bernie voted for.
The amendment barred the Department of Homeland Security from providing a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona.
No matter how much you dislike the Minutemen they have the right to patrol the border as long as they do not commit any crimes. Just like a Neighborhood watch has the right to patrol their streets.
The Government shouldn't be involved unless their is criminal activity.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Literally, Bernie did not ever vote to protect the Minutemen.
damonm
(2,655 posts)Since the US Border Patrol never tips off the Mexican government about patrols of any sort anyway, all this amendment did was tell the Border Patrol to keep doing things like it already was...
Persondem
(1,936 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)<Rep. Olav Sabo, a Minnesota Democrat and ranking member on the Homeland Security Committee, was the sole member of his party to speak on the amendment.
I claim the time in opposition; but, Mr. Chairman, I dont rise in opposition, he said. He said Customs officials had told him they already didnt share information with the Mexican government except for where required by treaty.
If people want to put it in the bill, I guess that is okay because it apparently does nothing, he quipped.
The Sanders campaign cited Sabos vote when explaining Sanders support for the largely symbolic, pro-Minuteman measure.
People put forward nuisance amendments all the time, Michael Briggs, Sanderss top communications strategist and longtime aide, told BuzzFeed News. In this case, the Customs and Border Patrol [according to Sabo] said it was a meaningless thing and [Sanders] and Sabo voted for it.>
This is the best Hillary's opposition research scumbags can come up with on Bernie?
Coincidence
(98 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I think he was saying it was a cheap shot by the Clinton campaign based on a meaningless provision buried in a bigger bill. Axelrod is the same guy who debunked the Clinton lies on Bernie voting against the auto bailout in each of the last 2 debates. He put a tweet up debunking it before the debate on Sunday night was even over.
Coincidence
(98 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Correct the Record.................
noamnety
(20,234 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)and David Brock is a honest fellow.................
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Raster
(20,996 posts)...the sock puppet, er, my mistake - POSTER - has no intention of sticking around to qualify, quantify or support their crap post. It is literally hit-and-run.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Who works for Hillary.