2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum91% Chance Of Hillary Winning The Democratic Nomination. 68% Chance Of Winning General Election.
91%
http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination
68%
http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner
revbones
(3,660 posts)H2O Man
(73,510 posts)I think it is likely that she will be given the nomination. I have much more difficulty seeing her win in November.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)And if she is "given" the nomination she most certainly will not win in November.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)I want to clarify -- not for you, but for others:
I will vote for our party's nominee. However, in my opinion, it is becoming increasingly apparent that Hillary would face a steep challenge in November. I view her chances of winning as rapidle decreasing. And I think her campaign is 100% responsible.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)One of the things that's so difficult about how we may decide to vote is trying to decide how to gauge who has the best chance in November to defeat the republican candidate for President. With the recent polling in Michigan proving inaccurate, that makes it even more difficult to gauge. I tend to vote more with my heart than my head in the primaries. That would lead me more toward voting for Sanders. I too will vote in the general election.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)I like to consider trends. I see things moving towards Sanders ....and not just only in the Democratic Party.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)As well as her paid secret speeches, PAC money, and ties with Wall Street.
I see a hard lesson being potentially learned by the DNC leadership.
Hint for you Debbie: (whispered voice) "listen to the people......"
agracie
(950 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts)Besides if it's Hillary and Trump it will be basically the same choice. Yes Hillary is a bit more sane than Trump butt she is dishonest.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Clinton and Obama (or Kerry or Gore), yes. But Clinton and Trump are not basically the same. Nor are Clinton and Cruz or Clinton and Rubio or Clinton and Kasich.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)If not, vote your conscience. If it's a swing state, I can see holding your nose and voting for the slightly-less-horrible candidate...I may have to do that, myself (although it's highly unlikely: I live in Oregon).
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)this guy that was insanely good, there was no way he was going to win. But he showed up anyway and it turned out the other player was arrested for drunk driving the night before and forfeited. "So never tell me the odds". - Han Solo
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)beaglelover
(3,460 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)but don't whine.
beaglelover
(3,460 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)beaglelover
(3,460 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)That's what friends are for.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)that sounds about right.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)jcgoldie
(11,613 posts)People actually betting money. Obviously biased just like Nate Silver's voodoo math. Those folks don't plan on winning they just want to sway public opinion and make Hillary seem inevitable. Hey maybe if I put enough money on the Cubs to win the world series it will discourage the other teams... brilliant!
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)A 200+ delegate deficit is awfully difficult to overcome, especially when the one in the lead does best in larger (and more diverse) states. You can't make up a lot of ground by winning the likes of Nebraska, Kansas, Maine, Delaware, Utah, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Alaska, especially when every primary/caucus is proportional. And when the person with the 200+ lead does better among registered Democrats, you're quite reliant on primaries being open. Open primaries allow for a lot of manipulation.
As for the general election, the electoral college map definitely favors the Democratic nominee. The Republican nominee pretty much has to win both Ohio and Florida to have any shot at reaching 270.
dchill
(38,447 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)Hillary's chance of nomination has fluctuated - was in low 80s before SC and up around 96 and as high as 98 after super tues, now drifting back to 91. lots of tea not many leaves.
BUT
dems chance of winning has been marching up, up, up regardless of what happens to the likelihood of one or the other candidate getting the nomination.
oasis
(49,330 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Using algorithms badly. Tools are not crystal balls.
Yawn.
CapnSteve
(217 posts)You are my people - 110% progressive, liberal, bleeding hearts, open minds, kind, generous, etc.
Here are my predictions for the election:
1) Hillary wins the nomination (by pledged delegates, the "supers" will support the voters choice).
2) Despite all sorts of angst, Trump becomes the GOP nominee, or he mounts a third party campaign.
3) Hillary crushes the Donald - he is minor league compared to the team that has been trying to take her down for 20+ years!
4) The GOP loses the Senate, whether they hold hearings on Pres. Obama's Supreme Court APPOINTEE (words are important here) or not.
5) With support from the Democratic majority Senate, and the fair SCOTUS, President Hillary Clinton is free to lead us back from the cliff edge. My hope is that she appoints Pres. Obama to the Supreme Court!
All this will happen if we "vote aggressively". What is voting aggressively? Make sure you have a valid voter registration card, sure you have a photo ID that matches (same name, same address), and verify that your vote has been counted! It is not enough to cast a "provisional" ballot - provisional is just another word for "we will not count your vote"!
Exciting times people! "First, they ignore you; then they laugh at you; then they fight you; then you win!" -Ghandi
Indeed.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... before, well, you know.