Whether you're a Hillary fan or not, you have to give her credit being the only woman . . .

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95% of the time in upper echelon political/diplomatic settings and swatting the intentional and unintentional "she's just a woman" slights she gets right back at them time after time — like water off a ducks back.

[revbones]

1. What slights is she getting?

Not everything in opposition to her is sexism.

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4. I didn't say everything. But come on, if you've spent anytime in the workplace, you know . . .

there are intentional and unintentional slights towards women, just as there are towards, blacks, Latinos, gays and the disabled.

To think that doesn't happen in the world of politics is _ _ _ _ _ _ (just insert you own word).

[revbones]

6. So you're just assuming and generalizing

and because of that we're supposed to give her credit?

I'll give her credit all right. For the many deaths she's caused around the world. For the poverty she's helped cause here at home. For the lies about her positions. For the lies about Bernie's positions. For all that and more she certainly deserves credit.

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7. Okay, you're not a fan, but just what are the deaths she personally caused?

[revbones]

10. Her right-wing ideology of American exceptionalism

has helped bring disasters in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Georgia, Ukraine and more.

[brush]

11. She was SOS not the president. She didn't make policy . . .

so you're actually blaming Obama and, btw, every other president and Congress and the segment of the public that came before her who have espoused American exceptionalism.

I'm not a proponent of American exceptionalism but don't get carried awayby accusing her personally of murder.

[revbones]

15. So you're saying as SoS she had no power and was just a puppet?

No, I think the position has considerable authority.

If you google about Libya, and the whole "Don't do stupid shit" policy of Obama, you'll see that she hung herself out to dry on multiple occasions as SoS.

Also, I did not say "murder" although many would based on the policies she championed. Similar to calling Bush & Cheney murderers, they didn't do it directly, but their policies resulted in the deaths of many.

[brush]

16. The Secretary of State works for the president.

He/She serves at the president's direction and carries out his policies.

[revbones]

17. Yes, but the president doesn't micromanage every position

SoS comes with a significant amount of power. If you are denying that, then you are quite unaware of how our government works and discredit those who claim Hillary's tenure as SoS credits her as having experience.

So which is it? is it a puppet position as you say, which means Hillary shouldn't get credit for it - or does the position come with power in which case Hillary has considerable blame at her door.

[JackRiddler]

18. That's right.

The perpetual war is a long-running criminal enterprise for which a series of presidents and administrations are responsible - some more than others, but all deep in the shit.

It requires managers. A Secretary of State does participate in making policy. On Libya and Honduras, she laid claim to having influenced the policy against the relative doves within the Obama administration. And Nuland, Kagan, the Ukraine operation very much belong to her.

Has she ever met a war in the making that she didn't support?

Do you see how she went out of her way to attack Sanders for opposing the Reagan death-squad wars in Central America? How does she stand on those massacres?

[Jitter65]

8. They know what you say is true.

I give her more credit now than ever to even put yourself in the position to be slimed by some of the lowest pol I have ever seen in my lifetime, not to mention the really hateful voters out there.

They don't know it yet, but they are going to miss Obama when he's out of office. But most of them will never admit it.

After a Congress (both Dem and GOP) working against this President since his first election and relentlessly obstructing anything positive he wanted to do, they will spend the rest of their lives trying to make him a " failed" President like they wished him to be from the beginning. But history will tell a different story if the historians are truthful.

[NurseJackie]

2. Stamina and poise.

[morningfog]

3. She's impressive and tough. I give her that. She takes a lot of shit and keeps going.

[PonyUp]

5. She can lie with a straight face. I give her that. I wouldn't play her in poker. n/t

[SamKnause]

9. There are many things I give her credit for, just not the ones

you mentioned.

[Feeling the Bern]

12. nope. having xx chromosomes does not warrant credit for anything.

sorry. that's a genetic crap shot in the womb.

[farleftlib]

14. ^THIS^

Plus she gives a lot worse than she gets. No credit is due for stuff that splashes back from her mudslinging.

[ibegurpard]

13. She doesn't get those slights

And no I don't have to give her credit for anything.

[greymouse]

19. Angela Merkel, Margaret Thatcher. Golda Meir, Indira Ghandi, etc etc

Any one of them more competent, even though I despise what Meir did. Not too much of a fan of Thatcher's either.

As a feminist, I am unhappy to see an incompetent, ethically challenged woman in a position of power and claiming she represents women.

[JackRiddler]

20. Please do cite examples.

I'm sure she has gotten slights and she has handled them as you say. But when where who that you are referring to? It's important to back up what you say.

[TeeYiYi]

21. Credit for being the only woman?...

Hillary has only herself to blame for that, after putting the kibosh on Elizabeth Warren.

TYY