WTF! Hillary Clinton: "The Reagans, particularly Nancy, helped start "a national conversation"

[Luminous Animal]

about AIDS"

WTF! WTF!

Embedded video at the link. If anyone can embed it here, please do.


https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/708363242737766401

[haikugal]

1. I don't know why anyone would listen to Hillary on any subject.

Just say NO!

[Jitter65]

35. Maybe she knows a little more than we do about the subject.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/06/01/ronald_reagan_and_aids_correcting_the_record_122806.html

[haikugal]

53. No, just no.

Reagan and his ilk were just fine letting gays die by the thousands. AIDS was sent by heaven according to these revolting people. You are very, very wrong. It's revisionist history and another lie.

[roguevalley]

85. HRC doesn't know jack on this subject.

[Buzz Clik]

2. You deny that?

Not sure the source of your incredible outrage.

[Arazi]

9. Yes, Absolutely

The Reagans deliberately instituted a blackout on HIV

This is a disgusting revision of history

[Buzz Clik]

11. I would submit that the Reagans started a conversation on HIV...

... but it was not a positive or productive one. It was a conversation nevertheless.

[Arazi]

15. No. Just no

Are you so enamored of HRC you'll participate in whitewashing the Reagans and their shameful and deliberate silence on the issue?

[Buzz Clik]

16. Flip the coin, turn the mirror. Back atcha

I have a strong suspicion that you didn't bother to read my post.

[Arazi]

20. I did. The Reagans had jack shit to do with HIV

Awareness, concern or help.

That kind of deliberate silence simply cannot be interpreted as "initiating " a conversation of any kind

[Buzz Clik]

22. Never mind. If you won't read my posts, I have no use for this conversation

[Dawgs]

50. For real, yo?

Yikes!

[Kittycat]

69. Re-read the post, not just the subject line.

We get emotional here sometimes on issues such as this. It helps to slowdown and breath, then re-read before responding. Just friendly, supportive advice from a fellow DUer.

[Arazi]

75. Thanks

But I'm not sure how I've misinterpreted the post saying the Reagans started a national conversation.

I'm always willing to learn however so I'm willing to hear how that post means something else

[Kittycat]

81. Meaning...

It was a decisive conversation of denialism and blame, instead of one focused on research and help. The converstion encouraged a country to turn their backs on people in hatred and fear, even refusing help to those most in need in their final days. I was young when this began, and it's something that hit our family, like many families across the country. It's a painful memory that will always be with me.

[PoliticAverse]

3. That's one way of putting it. n/t

[m-lekktor]

4. Yes! this just came through my facebook newsfeed twice within the last few minutes!

She is unfuckingbelievable!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. I never actually conversed with them but my commentary about was usually profane.

[Cheese Sandwich]

6. wow

[SamKnause]

7. She is trying to rewrite history.

The Reagans didn't give a damn about people dying from aids.

That is the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They refused to help Rock Hudson when he needed their help.

Is there anything this lady will not lie about ???????

Anything ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Luminous Animal]

12. It is disgusting for her to elevate either reagan

on the subject of AIDS.

[Truprogressive85]

8. oh

[PyaarRevolution]

10. Because they're heartless.

This is what people don't get about Ronald and Nancy. Ronald called college students "brats" for crying out loud.

[Blue_In_AK]

49. "Bloodbath" comes to mind.

[ebayfool]

13. Gobsmacking! Serious revisionist history there - sucking up to the GOP in ...

anticipation of her coronation in the general? Nancy was no better than her husband, and that's being kinder than she deserves.

[JustAnotherGen]

14. She's wrong about this

She's flat out wrong. I'll catch the video later. The Reagans did no such thing. And they were hypocrites to boot.

[Octafish]

17. The Gippet really believed in Just-Us.

Equal rights, not so much.



In 1980, Reagan declared his candidacy in Philadelphia, Mississippi, the "community" where three Civil Rights marchers were murdered in cold blood.

Reagan, White As Snow

by Alec Dubro
www.tompaine.com/, May 13, 2007

EXCERPT...

Domestically, he opposed every legislative remedy for African Americans, betraying a meanness of spirit and an open racism. As Sidney Blumenthal wrote in The Guardian in 2003:

Reagan opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (calling it "humiliating to the South&quot , and ran for governor of California in 1966 promising to wipe the Fair Housing Act off the books. "If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house," he said, "he has a right to do so." After the Republican convention in 1980, Reagan traveled to the county fair in Neshoba, Mississippi, where, in 1964, three Freedom Riders had been slain by the Ku Klux Klan. Before an all-white crowd of tens of thousands, Reagan declared: "I believe in states' rights."

It's hard to believe now, but in 1965, a higher percentage of congressional Republicans voted for the Voting Rights Act than Democrats. Reagan, then, wasn't following party tradition; he was making a grab for the white racist vote-and it worked. Southern Democrats abandoned the party en masse for one more welcoming to white supremacy. No wonder so many loved, and still love, the man: He validated people's whiteness.

It's true that Reagan knew enough to occasionally disguise his racism. He appointed Samuel Pierce to head the Department of Housing and Urban Development, where Pierce presided over the halving of housing subsidies. No matter. Reagan couldn't remember the man's name. Once, at a reception for the nation's mayors, he greeted Pierce with a '"Hello, Mr. Mayor." Despite this, a few black conservatives, such as Armstrong Williams, were willing to validate him as someone who knew better than the "civil rights establishment" what was good for African Americans.

But it was in foreign affairs that he showed that he could rise above mere opportunism and flaunt his racism for all the world to see. He was the best friend that South Africa's apartheid government had in the developed world.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Reagan_WhiteAsSnow.html

When President, he allowed his staff to refer to the slain civil rights leader as "Martin Lucifer Coon."



Anybody wonder who he meant when he conflated "food-stamps, vodka, Cadillacs, and welfare queens"?

[Jitter65]

25. And it won't be any different when the next GOPer wins the WH. nt

[PonyUp]

18. Looks like Hilly is going for the reaganite voters now. n/t

[Arazi]

21. And deliberately pissing off progressives

Honestly I think she really just doesn't give a fuck if we're ever come back in line after the convention

[Maedhros]

54. Hillary's supporters are the modern Reagan Democrats, so there is some symmetry there. [n/t]

[HooptieWagon]

84. Absofreakinglutely.

The Reagan Democrats evolved into the DLC Third Way Democrats. Republicans in Democratic clothing.

[beedle]

19. Did that statement end with

"and may they rot in hell"? If not, then it's just playing revisionist history.

[Jitter65]

23. Well, as a matter of fact, they did. I remember well how angry my entire workplace was, including

yours truly, with Ronnie's attitude toward AIDS. We talked about it almost everyday. Especially working in medical research are where we were struggling to get money for AIDS research. They did start a national conversation about AIDS because most people didn't like what they were saying.

[EndElectoral]

24. Read the truth, not the revisionist bullshit from Hillary.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/nancy-ronald-reagan-aids-crisis-first-lady-legacy

The first lady who looked away: Nancy and the Reagans' troubling Aids legacy
by Maria L La Ganga

Dr Marcus Conant got a closeup view of the Reagan administration’s beliefs about Aids and the gay community, not once, not twice, but three times. Conant, who is a clinical professor of dermatology emeritus at UC San Francisco, was one of the first physicians to diagnose and treat Aids.

His first bird’s-eye view was a 1983 meeting about the Aids epidemic in Washington DC, with the White House liaison for medical care. Conant and his colleagues “were going on and on about how this was a disease, an infectious disease”, he recalled. Reagan’s representative wasn’t buying it.

“Her response was this was a legal problem, not a medical problem,” Conant said. Simply because of who gay men with Aids were and who their sexual partners were, she told him, “these people were breaking the law”.

...

Around 1987, Conant wrote to the president. By that time, about 21,000 people had died of the epidemic in the United States alone

This is more or less how Conant remembers his letter: “Dear President Reagan, I have all these patients and they are dying and no one’s doing anything. It is incumbent on your administration to direct the Centers for Disease Control and National Institutes of Health to begin efforts to find the cause and treatment for this disease.”

Reagan wrote a letter back, Conant recounted: “It said, quote, ‘Nancy and I thank you for your support’.”

...

This doesn't even address Rock Hudson's direct request to old friend Nancy for help as he was dying. I hate to speak ill of the dead, but when they are trying to canonize Nancy I'm tired of the bullshit.

[markpkessinger]

26. This does it for me . . .

. . . Until now, I've said that if she's the nominee, I would hold my nose and vote for her. But after this, I will not cast a vote for this woman under any circumstances. I will vote Democratic in down-ballot races, but will abstain from voting for president if she's the nominee.

And to anyone who would presume to lecture or judge me about that, I would say that I witnessed first hand the deaths of far too many friends from AIDS to give a shit what you think of my decision!

[EndElectoral]

28. Yeah...experienced the death of too many friends in the 80s to let this bullshit pass

[markpkessinger]

32. Does Hillary have any clue how offensive her statement is . . .

. . . to those of us who watched friends die by the scores of this disease?

[iandhr]

27. Wow this site is REALLY stupid sometimes.

It's like they expect the frontrunner for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination to spit on a dead person grave.

[EndElectoral]

30. You mean like the Reagan's spit on the graves of thousands of dying people with AIDS in the 80's?

[Gwhittey]

33. Spit on no.

But don't go and tote someone who is in no way a symbol of something as doing good. It is like someone said Goldwater was the "bastion of Civil Rights"

[Arazi]

34. How about don't say anything

there was no need to tell this massive lie and prop up the Reagans.

None

[markpkessinger]

37. I don't expect her to spit on Nancy's grave . . .

. . . but I sure as HELL expect her not to try to turn Nancy's (or her husband's) appalling legacy with respect to HIV/AIDS into something other than what it was!

[treestar]

51. Really. I mean it's the lady's funeral FCOL

I heard Hillary was attending and just knew somebody in GDP would make something of it. Even though it's a funeral.

[markpkessinger]

91. Nice try, but nobody is making an issue of her attending the funeral . . .

. . . the issue is ENTIRELY about her attempt to cast Nancy Reagan's legacy with regard to HIV/AIDS as something other than the appalling obscenity it was!

[treestar]

95. She's talking about someone who just died on the day of her funeral

Maybe you are just assuming or attributing Ronnie's opinions/policies to Nancy?

Anyway Hillary apologized already.

http://www.motherjones.com/contributor/2016/03/hillary-clinton-aids-sorry

[jeff47]

80. There is a long distance between lying and spitting on a grave.

There is no reason to lie about Nancy Reagan's history to say something "funeral-appropriate".

[Erose999]

29. The only "national conversation" Nancy Reagan started was consulting Miss Cleo for policy

recommendations because St. Ronnie was losing his faculties to Alzheimer's.

[highprincipleswork]

31. If by conversation you mean massive denial, that is the conversation they started.

[WillyT]

36. K & R !!!

[bbgrunt]

38. wow, who knew? this is how truth gets twisted.

[salinsky]

39. Is it possible ...

... that she got HIV/AIDS confused with Alzheimers??

[Gwhittey]

40. White House Deputy Press Secretary Larry Speakes

can be heard laughing and even cracking homophobic jokes at reporters' questions about the crisis.

"If we come up with any research that sheds some light on whether gays should cruise or not cruise, we'll make it available to you," Speakes, who died in 2014, is heard saying to a reporter in 1983

http://video.vanityfair.com/watch/the-reagan-administration-s-chilling-response-to-the-aids-crisis

[revmclaren]

41. Sanders statement about Nancy Reagan...FROM HIS OFFICIAL WEBSITE.

“No matter your party or political ideology, this is a sad day for America. Nancy Reagan was an exemplary first lady. A devoted partner, she was her husband’s most trusted advisor and, as such, served our country well. Even after her time in the White House, she was an outspoken advocate for stem-cell research to find a cure for Alzheimer’s. Nancy Reagan had a good heart, and she will be dearly missed.”

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-on-nancy-reagan/

Seems Clinton has good company in her statement about Nancy Reagan.

[markpkessinger]

42. Sanders issued a gracious statement, but did not attempt to rewrite Nancy's appalling AIDS legacy

So, no, Clinton is NOT in the same company as Bernie on this!

[treestar]

96. It was just an error, she meant Alzheimers

why does it have to be a deliberate attempt to rewrite history, which would be silly as the history is already there? It seems always necessary to attribute the worst possible motives to everything Hillary does.

[markpkessinger]

100. Not even her apology says she mean Alzheimer's n/t

[treestar]

102. It seems likely

Going so far out of the way to remove all benefit of the doubt. We all get caught up in words at times.

[Arazi]

43. Where in that statement is Sanders praising Nancy's fictional HIV/AIDS work?

I'll wait

[revmclaren]

46. So you are saying Sanders OFFICIAL statement praising her was a lie?

A lie by omission since he didnt bother to mention her record on Aids. Were is the honesty here pray tell.

but I forgot... Hillary bad, Sanders a saint.

[Arazi]

52. Clinton has made up a complete and massive lie about Nancy Reagan

and any AIDS advocacy.

Sanders is correctly praising Nancy Reagan for her Alzheimer's Advocacy.

One is real ( Sanders')

One is a lie (Clinton)

[revmclaren]

57. You keep telling yourself that.

Sanders made his statement and it is there for all to see.

He stated that he respected Nancy...which I personally find appalling. I find Clinton's statement disturbing as well because of the damage the Reagan's did to this country. But they are both career politicians and they want all the votes they can get. Even those of the Reagan humpers. But I hate hypocrisy and I will point it out when its so blatant.

[Arazi]

60. This thread is about HRC's lie

you can try to distort it to slam Bernie but you're way too obvious

[imari362]

70. ^^^^^

[revmclaren]

71. So are you my friend.

[treestar]

97. Why do you call mistakes "lies?"

It's something I hear from 4 year olds usually.

[markpkessinger]

92. No one is saying one must rehearse the entire record of a dead public figure . . .

. . . but that's not at all the same as making up an outright lie that casts Nancy Reagan's HIV/AIDS legacy as something other than the appalling obscenity it was.

[Gwhittey]

45. Watch this and then tell me Reagan was good for AIDS people

http://video.vanityfair.com/watch/the-reagan-administration-s-chilling-response-to-the-aids-crisis

[revmclaren]

48. I personally think that Nancy was a piece of S$#t but Sanders...Not so much.

Why dont you contact him and ask him yourself.

[Autumn]

65. Problem is Nancy did NOT start a national conversation about HIV/AIDS.

The Reagan's ignored the epidemic. Nancy did advocate for stem-cell research and IMO only because her husband had Alzheimer’s. Bernie told the truth. Hillary fucking lied and that is one of the most offensive lies I have heard out of her mouth to date.

[winter is coming]

87. It's a gross miscalculation on her part. I expect it to cost her badly, and it should.

When you're twenty years old and attending more funerals than your grandparents are, you don't forget who stepped up and who covered up.

[thereismore]

44. Holy shit, that is some history revisionism! Holy moly. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

47. Boy, that's a head scratcher of a headline.

[Bluenorthwest]

55. She needs to apologize. The Reagans were silent for 7 years and did not even acknowledge the deaths

of over 30,000 Americans from AIDS. They were pure evil and Hillary Clinton is full of hateful bullshit.

The first lady who looked away: Nancy and the Reagans' troubling Aids legacy
As the nation mourns the former first lady’s death, those on the frontline of the 1980s Aids crisis remember something else: a couple who turned a blind eye
Ronald Reagan, who died in 2004, was president for nearly five years before he said the word “Aids” in public, nearly seven years before he gave a speech on a health crisis that would go on to kill more than 650,000 Americans and stigmatize even more.

In recent months, published reports have revealed an administration that laughed at the scourge and its victims and a first lady who turned her back on Rock Hudson, a close friend, when he reached out to the White House for help as he was dying from an Aids-related illness.

“If there is a hell both Ronny and Nancy are Roasting,” wrote one Sister.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/nancy-ronald-reagan-aids-crisis-first-lady-legacy


Hillary needs to go home and spend time with her family and get the fuck off the world stage with her lies.

[enigmatic]

58. He remarks were an incredibly stupid, revisionist thing to say

Anyone who lived during Reagan's presidency knows this was a flat-out lie and I would expect everyone who is a supporter of Hillat Clinton to call her out for this BS.

[Land of Enchantment]

56. Such an opportunist

she feels the need to capitalize on any and every possible moment in the spotlight.

[Beacool]

59. This place has become such a bore with the over the top reaction to anything Hillary says.

Blah, blah, blah........

[Arazi]

63. 30,000 Americans died of AIDS under the Reagans deliberate blackout

sorry but if you're not pissed off at that deliberate lie about the Reagans, particularly Nancy who was especially cruel to old friends like Rock Hudson, then I'm actually sorry for you

[Ichingcarpenter]

67. ''Just say No to drugs" as Reagan, Bush and Clinton

did what they did to make it worse.

[Ichingcarpenter]

64. What does hillary say about the Military industrial complex

Or our bloated Defense Budget?

A Do, Do Ga

[Bluenorthwest]

68. You need to educate yourself out of this space you are in: Reagan's AIDSgate:

1987

41,027 persons are dead and
71,176 persons diagnosed with AIDS in the US.


After years of negligent silence, President Ronald Reagan finally uses the word "AIDS" in public. He sided with his Education Secretary William Bennett and other conservatives who said the Government should not provide sex education information. (They are still saying it!)

On April 2, 1987, Reagan said: "How that information is used must be up to schools and parents, not government. But let's be honest with ourselves, AIDS information can not be what some call 'value neutral.' After all, when it comes to preventing AIDS, don't medicine and morality teach the same lessons."
http://www.actupny.org/reports/reagan.html


You are defending the indefensible and mocking the deaths of thousands.

Silence = Death
Knowledge = Life

[Luminous Animal]

72. Thanks for the link.

[Bluenorthwest]

89. And I thank ACT UP NY for making that website which is rich with history.....

Very useful and very sad.

[Ichingcarpenter]

61. Nancy and Rock Hudson........... LOOK IT UP

When he was dying of AIDS.

[TubbersUK]

62. WTF !

The Reagan administration's historically apathetic response to the HIV/AIDS crisis is the subject of a harrowing documentary short.

In honor of World AIDS Day, Vanity Fair debuted "When AIDS Was Funny," a new documentary short by filmmaker Scott Calonico that shows how the administration shrugged off the spread of HIV in the mid-1980s.

Featured in the movie are never-before-heard audio tapes from three separate press conferences in 1982, 1983 and 1984 in which White House Deputy Press Secretary Larry Speakes can be heard laughing and even cracking homophobic jokes at reporters' questions about the crisis.

"If we come up with any research that sheds some light on whether gays should cruise or not cruise, we'll make it available to you," Speakes, who died in 2014, is heard saying to a reporter in 1983.

When asked about President Ronald Reagan's take on the crisis in 1984, Speakes responded, "I haven't heard him express concern." When the reporter pressed further, he added, "I must confess I haven't asked him about it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ronald-reagan-aids-crisis_us_565e002ae4b08e945fecef1d

[whatthehey]

66. Well to be fair,

Trump has started many conversations about Mexica immigration.

Doesn't mean to say someone starting a conversation contributed to it usefully or positively.

[BlueMTexpat]

73. I realize that I am swimming

upstream against a strong current of Hillary-hatred, but there is actually some truth in what Hillary said.

What does seem to be true is that when the Reagan administration eventually did decide to respond to the AIDS crisis, Nancy Reagan was among the influential administration figures pushing for that decision.

"I think that she deserves credit for opening up the AIDS money," historian Allida Black told PBS in 2011, saying that along with Koop the first lady pressed the president and the secretary of health and human services to allocate research funding to HIV/AIDS issues.

"But," Black continued, "I could never say that without saying they never would have waited this long" if not for the perception that the disease was a problem for gay men.

In the same PBS segment, Nancy's son, Ron Reagan, likewise portrays his mother as an important progressive force on AIDS issues inside the Reagan administration.

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11208192/hillary-clinton-nancy-reagan-aids

[Bluenorthwest]

88. Oh please, that bird will not fly....

"AIDS research was chronically under-funded. When doctors at the Centers for Disease Control and the National Institutes of Health asked for more funding for their work on AIDS, they were routinely denied it. Between June 1981 and May 1982 the CDC spent less than $1 million on AIDS and $9 million on Legionnaire's Disease. At that point more than 1,000 of the 2,000 reported AIDS cases resulted in death; there were fewer than 50 deaths from Legionnaire's Disease. This drastic lack of funding would continue through the Reagan years.

When health and support groups in the gay community were beginning to initiate education and prevention programs, they were denied federal funding. In October 1987 Senator Helms amended a federal appropriations bill to prohibit AIDS education efforts that "encourage or promote homosexual activity" — that is, efforts that tell gay men how to have safe sex....

When Rock Hudson, a friend and colleague of the Reagans, was diagnosed with AIDS and died in 1985 (one of the 20,740 cases reported that year), Reagan still did not speak out as president. When family friend William F. Buckley, in a March 18, 1986, New York Times opinion article, called for mandatory testing for HIV and said that HIV-positive gay men should have this information forcibly tattooed on their buttocks (and IV-drug users on their arms) Reagan said nothing. In 1986 (after five years of complete silence), when Surgeon General C. Everett Koop released a report calling for AIDS education in schools, Bennett and Bauer did everything possible to undercut and prevent funding for Koop's too-little-too-late initiative. Reagan, again, said and did nothing. By the end of 1986, 37,061 AIDS cases had been reported; 16,301 people had died."

I told one of my students that the most memorable Reagan AIDS moment for me was at the 1986 centenary rededication of the Statue of Liberty. The Reagans were there sitting next to French President Francois Mitterand and his wife, Danielle. Bob Hope was on stage entertaining the all-star audience. In the middle of a series of one-liners Hope quipped, "I just heard that the Statue of Liberty has AIDS but she doesn't know if she got it from the mouth of the Hudson or the Staten Island Fairy." As the television camera panned the audience, the Mitterands looked appalled. The Reagans were laughing. By the end of 1989 and the Reagan years, 115,786 women and men had been diagnosed with AIDS in the United States, and more than 70,000 of them had died."
http://www.actupny.org/reports/reagan.html

[BlueMTexpat]

104. No one is saying that Reagan was

any pioneer in either recognizing or assisting with promoting AIDS research. He most certainly was not.

But the fact that he FINALLY did recognize that he should have been one was due to Nancy. By then, the damage was done, as you say. One of my own family members died from AIDS, so I certainly am no admirer of his policies.

Ron Reagan Jr has also said that it was his mother who persuaded his father. Do you also dismiss his real-life experience?

I'm not arguing that Hillary shouldn't have said what she did. But there is at least some basis for her saying it.

[Yavin4]

74. So, you think that Hillary is going to bash Nancy Reagan at her funeral?

Is that what you want?

[Ichingcarpenter]

76. Do you think her comment sucked?

Sometimes it is better

When you say nothing at all.

[PoliticAverse]

77. Clinton appologized for that statement on her twitter...

https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton

[Ichingcarpenter]

79. What a crap statement but at least

she felt the feedback from shit statement.

[markpkessinger]

94. "I misspoke" has become the go-to excuse for politicians who make indefensible statements . . .

. . . while failing to anticipate the negative reaction their statements cause. "I misspoke" is right up there with Reagan's infamous, "mistakes were made" line regarding Iran-Contra.

[Feeling the Bern]

103. apology unaccepted, Kissinger loving, former Wal-mart board member Goldwater Girl and Reagan

apologist.

[peacebird]

78. I remember Elizabeth Glasner going to beg Reagan to address aids, because of pediatric aids

https://m.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. Ok that is a nice alternate reality

right there

[Ichingcarpenter]

83. She responded to her shit statement

because she got grief on her first twitter statement.

[PonyUp]

86. The weather vane is spinning out of control! Run for your lives! nt

[pdsimdars]

90. She champions all their policy positions, loves war and worships their deity, Reagan

Shouldn't she be running as a Republican?

[Waiting For Everyman]

98. Yes.

That would be highly appropriate. Clown car, and all.

[UglyGreed]

93. I guess pandering to the

right did not work out as well as she thought. Imagine the gall to praise the Reagans on how they dealt with AIDS of all things!!!!! SMH!!!!!

[mvd]

99. Is it possible that..

She just got the Reagans confused with the Bushes, who did some AIDS work in Africa? I mean, how could she really think that. I think she should have done more thinking before speaking, but not sure she meant wrong here.

[monicaangela]

101. The Actual Truth Something Hillary Knows...