It's a funeral. People say overly-nice things at a funeral.

[Yavin4]

Seriously, you want Hillary to bash Nancy Reagan on AIDS at her funeral? In an election year??? Really?!?!?!

[berningman]

1. Mostly I'd be happy if she just didn't lie for once nt

[BlueMTexpat]

39. It was an overstatement,

not a lie.

What does seem to be true is that when the Reagan administration eventually did decide to respond to the AIDS crisis, Nancy Reagan was among the influential administration figures pushing for that decision.

"I think that she deserves credit for opening up the AIDS money," historian Allida Black told PBS in 2011, saying that along with Koop the first lady pressed the president and the secretary of health and human services to allocate research funding to HIV/AIDS issues.

"But," Black continued, "I could never say that without saying they never would have waited this long" if not for the perception that the disease was a problem for gay men.

In the same PBS segment, Nancy's son, Ron Reagan, likewise portrays his mother as an important progressive force on AIDS issues inside the Reagan administration.

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11208192/hillary-clinton-nancy-reagan-aids

[enigmatic]

54. I lived in the 80s I lost a brother and 2 friends to AIDS

I remember the silence, the pleading, the anger at Reagan during his presidency because of his silence in regards to the AIDS epidemic. I was there.

Hillary has already apologized for "misspeaking" on this.

Stop propping up your candidate for this. It's disgusting.

Just say no.

[CalvinballPro]

104. Well, I lost 4 brothers and 9 friends, and I'm fine with it. People misspeak; no one's perfect.

[The empressof all]

110. People misspeak when they lack awareness

Those of us who lived through that time and lost loved ones remember....and would never have made that mistake. She is a politician...She didn't remember what Reagan failed to do? Must not have been so important.

[MADem]

126. No one is "propping up." She misspoke, she apologized.

She didn't waste any time, either.

I don't think anyone remembers those days fondly. It was a tough time in our nation's history.

[berningman]

132. we know HRC doesnt remember that time at all apparently.

hillary just stop lying for dogs sake.

[MADem]

137. I'm gonna memorialize your charming words.

berningman
132. we know HRC doesnt remember that time at all apparently.
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hillary just stop lying for dogs sake.

[BlueMTexpat]

165. I lost a first cousin to AIDS.

As with everyone here, I also lost friends to AIDS. Friends and family members today are still HIV-positive. I am no admirer of Reagan or his policies and in this, he helped make the crisis worse because he recognized it all too late. But when he finally did recognize it at last, it was in large part - if not wholly - because of Nancy.

A lie is when something has absolutely no basis in fact. Per Ron Reagan Jr himself, there is - however little - some basis in fact.

I wish that Hillary had not said what she did in the way that she did and am happy that she apologized for doing so.

But to call it an outright lie is ... a lie. I am not "propping her up," just trying to set the record straight.

[CBGLuthier]

158. It was a lie, it was bullshit it was the opposite of reality

Nancy Reagan's good friend Rock Hudson begged her and the president to help him and they let him die rather than get involved. Fuck her and fuck everyone who excused her including your candidate.

[BlueMTexpat]

166. Hudson's death was likely

the catalyst for getting Nancy to change Ronnie's mind. By then, it was indeed much too late for all too many.

No one is excusing Nancy for her too-late arrival to the party. But she did finally get there. Just sayin' ...

[riversedge]

70. So many Sanders fan use that term so often that it is meaningless.

[Vattel]

75. But she is a liar.

[Firebrand Gary]

112. Congratulations, you're going on ignore with your potty mouth!

[Scootaloo]

128. ...

[Broward]

94. Why do you support a liar?

[treestar]

100. exactly it is being used in the 4 year old's sense of the term

every mistake must of course be a deliberate lie if it is Hillary. What motive would Hillary have for trying to make Nancy Reagan look better than she was on AIDS? How would that help her against Bernie?

We don't really even know Nancy Reagan's position on AIDS - she is just getting blamed for Ronnie's.

[NurseJackie]

103. Just one of many.

[Live and Learn]

134. If it walks like a duck... nt

[840high]

145. She lies often.

[alcibiades_mystery]

2. Disaster of a candidate

It's embarrassing.

[TSIAS]

3. Don't say anything

There are plenty of nice things she could have said without talking about the AIDS issue.

[hollysmom]

38. yep, there is that option.

[BernieforPres2016]

48. Loved her husband, loved her country, just say no, stem cell research

The backlash must be immense if Hillary has already apologized. I can't remember the last time she issued a genuine apology for anything.

Which advisor takes the hit for this one?

[yeoman6987]

68. It is just so strange that she would use AIDS

You are right a statement about love of husband and support on stem cell her latest "issue" with president Obama would have been more then enough and would have been accurate and approved by everyone. Not sure why Hillary always wants to be controversial. Not sure if she does it on purpose or what.

[Recursion]

141. Right? I thought that too

There were plenty of good things Nancy Reagan unequivocally did, that would not absolutely enrage the LGBT community to bring up. She picked the one thing guaranteed to make a lot of people very hurt and angry.

[840high]

146. Maybe her mouth gets

ahead of her brain.

[restorefreedom]

133. yes, there were lots of other options. she chose this one. nt

[Senator Tankerbell]

4. Why bring it up at all?

I thought it was a very strange statement to make.

[Gwhittey]

8. Pandering is as Pandering does.

As Forest Gump would say "Life is like a box of Pandering, you never know what you might get"

[TheBlackAdder]

151. It places a negativism with Reagan's Evangelical supporters who view AIDS as a form of retribution.

.


On one hand, it might have been a tacit dig against her supporters at a funeral.

On the other hand, it was a stupid thing to say, because it casts Reagan in a falsely positive light.


She should not have mentioned it.


.

[raging moderate]

5. Maybe she meant to talk about Nancy and Alzheimer's.

I know it was horrible back then. Of course. But this sounds so much like just a gaffe.

[BernieforPres2016]

77. No, Ronnie and Nancy were long out of the White House before Alzheimer's

Hillary talked about what Nancy did to create a national conversation on HIV/AIDS while she was in the White House. It was not disclosed that Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's until 1994, 5 years after he left the White House. And I think it was close to 10 years later when Nancy Reagan advocated stem cell research as something that could help with Alzheimer's during the GWB administration.

[Human101948]

152. But it is also clear that they hid his dementia while he was in the White House...

5 years ago
Reagan's son: Father showed signs of Alzheimer's in White House
Posted by
CNN's Mary Snow and Meghan Rafferty
(CNN) - Former President Ronald Reagan's youngest son suggests in a new book that his father showed signs of Alzheimer's disease while he was in the White House.

In the book titled "My Father at 100," which is due out next week, Ron Reagan writes, "Three years into his first term as President … I was feeling the first shivers of concern that something beyond mellowing was affecting my father."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/14/reagans-son-father-showed-signs-of-alzheimers-in-white-house/comment-page-1/

How Close Did Lesley Stahl Come to Reporting Reagan Had Alzheimer's While in Office? Very Close.

But during his second term, Reagan did show worrisome signs of diminished mental capacity, according to Lesley Stahl. In the book she published in 2000, Reporting Live, Stahl recounts a disturbing encounter she had with Reagan in the summer of 1986. Stahl was finishing up a stint as CBS News' White House correspondent, and she was awarded the customary farewell audience with the president. As she, her husband, and her eight-year-old daughter were about to enter the Oval Office, Reagan's press secretary, Larry Speakes, told Stahl, "No questions at all, about anything." Stahl was angered by this, but she soon saw why Speakes had issued this instruction. When she and her family entered the office, the 75-year-old Reagan was standing by a Remington sculpture of a rearing horse, and Stahl immediately began to fret:

Reagan was as shriveled as a kumquat. He was so frail, his skin so paper-thin. I could almost see the sunlight through the back of his withered neck…His eyes were coated. Larry introduced us, but he had to shout. Had Reagan turned off his hearing aid?

…Reagan didn't seem to know who I was. He gave me a distant look with those milky eyes and shook my hand weakly. Oh, my, he's gonzo, I thought. I have to go out on the lawn tonight and tell my countrymen that the president of the United States is a doddering space cadet. My heart began to hammer with the import...I was aware of the delicacy with which I would have to write my script. But I was quite sure of my diagnosis.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/reagan-alzheimers-family-feud-lesley-stahl

[treestar]

101. Yep.

No reason to make it more than it is.

[Dem2]

6. It's despicable

I've never seen such hatred - this is a bad look for progressives.

[NurseJackie]

19. Over the top... absurd and extreme.

It's embarrassing. (Besides, Hillary has already said "sorry" ... but I'm sure the poutrage will continue for weeks to come.)

[Kelvin Mace]

28. She is sorry she "mispoke"

Now either she didn't know what a horrible person Nancy was about AIDS, or she simply chose to lie to suck up to Reagan worshipers.

So, which is it? Inexcusable ignorance or craven pandering?

Neither of these reason reflect well on her character.

[BlueMTexpat]

41. Overstatement.

Per Reagan Admin standards, Nancy WAS a progressive.

[Kelvin Mace]

51. Ummm...

By John Wayne Gacy standards, Trump is a humanitarian.

[cherokeeprogressive]

42. There's a trick to being a good human being... not saying things you have to apologize for later.

[Kelvin Mace]

22. Imagine how the families of the dead must feel

when they read about how funny AIDS was to the Reagan administration.

[TeeYiYi]

92. What's vulgar...

...is how the Reagan administration laughed and made jokes about the AIDS epidemic.

TYY

[Kelvin Mace]

116. I find HRC's bragging about her friendship

with a war criminal to be vulgar, and yet people defend her.

[840high]

147. Truth is not vulgar.

[Fumesucker]

25. It's despicable to despise the Reagans?

[NCTraveler]

88. This. Yup. Really really ugly. Nt

[winter is coming]

7. She could have chosen not to mention AIDS at all.

Lying about it was a very bad choice.

[kath]

49. THIS.

Sick to fucking DEATH of all her lies, "misspeaking", flip flops, and overall general sliminess.

[SusanCalvin]

79. ^THIS

[bigwillq]

9. Hillary did not have to say anything at all on that issue.

Hillary was the one that brought it up.

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. +1

[libtodeath]

10. There are all kinds of meaningless "praises" one could say without a flat out lie

and slap in the face of all that have lost loved ones from the rayguns hatred.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. I think some folks would only be satisfied if Hillary doused her casket with gasoline

and lit it on fire.

[m-lekktor]

16. WHY EVEN BRING AIDS UP AT ALL?

jesus christ this is NOT rocket science unless you are all fucking BRAIN DEAD! Can't you see why this would be offensive to so many?

[CorkySt.Clair]

21. Oh please

They'd critique her dousing technique and complain the flames didn't go high enough.

[NurseJackie]

36. And blame her for using Exxon gasoline.

[Stallion]

61. ...and Depleting the Ozone Layer with Fossil Fuels

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I am laughing my ass off about these ridiculous over dramatized criticisms of Clinton at a funeral

[NurseJackie]

65. Oh, just wait ... I've got one that's making it PERSONAL with me ...

... it won't be long before you're targeted and peppered with insults as well.

But you're absolutely correct! It's absolutely hysterical. The drama! The outrage! How DARE SHE??!!

[polly7]

95. You have no shame. nt.

[Kelvin Mace]

33. Unforced error

She could have simply expressed condolences for the family and spoke in the usual meaningless platitudes that all politicians are supposed to be expert at.

[0rganism]

82. you gotta admit, that would be something special

so she would have been on the hook for vandalism, arson, and reckless endangerment, but so much street cred.
"I'm gonna vote for the pyromaniac" has some spice.

[Cali_Democrat]

108. LOL

[Arugula Latte]

106. Yeah, because that's the only other option besides LYING and enabling the right wing spin.

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[Kalidurga]

135. Well that would be a start.

[CBGLuthier]

159. Or maybe just stop spouting outrageous and offensive bullshit.

Stop proving she is too fucking stupid to be president. Because you have to be some kind of fucking special stupid to say the shit she said.

[m-lekktor]

12. This is really horrible spin and if you need it explained to you why

then you are a lost fucking cause.

[Autumn]

13. There were nice things she actually could have said about Nancy.

There was no reason for her to lie about HIV/AIDS and that she lied so easily about that is deeply offensive.

[ScreamingMeemie]

14. I don't think that's the problem.

I think most of us think she should have done her research and kept her mouth shut...


... My uncle died of AIDS. For years, we told people he died of cancer... because of the Reagans and people like them putting a stigma on it

Please don't spin this. She effed up.

[kath]

52. My brother-in-law died of AIDS, and we also lied to people about his cause of death.

We miss you, Patrick. (Gone 25 years this past January)

[ScreamingMeemie]

59. It was a horrible time.

They (the hospital) showed no respect when they called my dad. They called, asked for him, told him his brother died of AIDS that day and hung up.

http://173.165.165.36:591/FMRes/FMPro?-db=search%20the%20quilt.fp5&key=36595&-img <<This is his quilt block

His name was (really) Robert Paulsen, and he was a sheriff's deputy in San Francisco. He gave me the first $100 bill I ever received for my 13th birthday.

[elleng]

17. No, no bashing,

but don't overstate her 'accomplishments.' There is no need to do so.

[morningfog]

18. Yes. Absolutely bash her for this. First class fuck up.

[Kelvin Mace]

20. It is very simple

You say nice things, but you don't lie about their position on a historically seminal event of the 80s.

[morningfog]

26. Especially when the LGBT community is a significant voting bloc in the Party she is running to lead.

[Kelvin Mace]

37. This would be the same voting bloc

that remembers her views on DOMA and DADT.

[Bluenorthwest]

60. Oh, this is going to give Bernie a real boost.....

This is exactly the sort of showing of the real cards that will swing the undecided and give courage to those afraid of change.....

[Punkingal]

23. Don't. Say. Anything.

She just made herself look stupid, and now she's walking it back and that looks stupider.

[PoliticAverse]

24. Anyway, Clinton apologized...

See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511470313

[morningfog]

27. This is unscripted HIllary. When she is not micro-managed, she sticks her foot in it.

[Yavin4]

29. It won't matter. Haters are going to hate.

No matter what she says or does.

[TSIAS]

32. Do you agree with her original statements?

This wasn't a matter of just flattering her with pleasantries.

[BlueMTexpat]

44. Where will all these

Hillary-haters go when the penny finally drops?

[BernieforPres2016]

50. And Hillary apologists will support her no matter what n/t

[malletgirl02]

160. Hillary apologists

Exactly, and these are the same people who call Bernie supporters a cult.

[Bluenorthwest]

66. That sort of crap won't cut it Yavin4. Do yourself a favor and address this with some respect.

Reagan was a hater, an apartheid supporting, AIDS denying pair of haters.

[JonLeibowitz]

113. She never actually apologized, actually. n/t

[Yavin4]

120. Going through life angry all of the time gets you no where

The American people don't like angry politicians.

[Bluenorthwest]

142. I'm not angry nor am I a politician, I am however very informed, consistent and connected to this

particular issue by extremely vital bonds. Your cheap snot box comments demonstrate the lack of value you put upon this issue. You get personal with me because you think you have that right to bully that I will cower in fear from your strutting and stammering but I know it is just cowardice and avoidance. You can't answer direct questions nor can you rationalize your serial slander of one Democratic candidate after then other.

[Arazi]

30. She's already backpedaling. She knows she fucked up

[morningfog]

35. What's funny is all the HIll folk here defending it as accurate! Now she admits the fuck up

And her peeps will praise that.

[suffragette]

31. She had already said numerous nice things. No need to add blatant, revisionist lie.

Yet, she did.

[revbones]

34. I'd want to bash her for lying, yes.

It goes to speak to her tendency toward revisionist history and not caring.

She only started supporting LGBT rights and issues in 2013 when she finally came out against DOMA. Her stance was pro-DOMA in 2008.

She has also retracted the falsehoods spoken today via twitter - which is the audience that would want her to be pro-LGBT, the audience that wants her to be anti-LGBT is probably more at the Reagan funeral. She changes her message with the audience and wind.

[Kip Humphrey]

40. She could have STFU about it instead of bald face lying, telling a lie EVERYONE knows is a lie!

unbelievable tone deafness.

[BlueMTexpat]

46. Not exactly a lie.

Read this and learn: http://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11208192/hillary-clinton-nancy-reagan-aids

[99Forever]

67. Yes exactly a lie.

Lying IS Hillary. Pathelogical lying. Even when the truth would serve her better.

[TM99]

69. Bullshit.

I don't give a shit if some Clinton supporter shill on Vox thinks it wasn't a lie. Those of us here were there know that it was. Those of us with friends who died from AIDS know what the reality was. Read the damned book, The Band Played On. That is history by those who lived it. Reagan did not begin to address AIDS constructively until the last year of his presidency 1987.

This is flat out revisionism to support you horrid, lying candidate. Do y'all have no shame?!

[BlueMTexpat]

164. No one is saying that he

addressed it earlier than 1987 and I am terribly sorry that you had friends who died from AIDS. Do you somehow believe that I do not? One member of my own family has.

But the FACT that Reagan FINALLY began to address AIDS constructively at all - even as late as he did - is largely due to Nancy's persuasion. Yes, she was late to address it, but she finally did the right thing.

Ron Reagan has also spoken to that. Do you dismiss him too?

[TM99]

168. Addressing it late in the admin

and in a very understated way does not equate to the bullshit that Clinton was trying to put forth as truth. It was historical revisionism and every Clinton support that continues to defend it, rationalize it, or whatever has earned my enmity.

[BlueMTexpat]

171. For god's sake, you act as if

she doubled down on it. She didn't. She apologized.

I welcome your enmity but don't return it. Buh-bye!

[TM99]

172. Yeah, misspoke is not an apology.

And she continues with new lies today.

[BeyondGeography]

45. The better question is how do you screw up a funeral?

[MADem]

47. Nancy Reagan was besties with Rock Hudson.

She ignored his pleas for help when he was dying over in France (probably the best place to get care at the time) and I think that caused her a great deal of guilt/shame. RR's bitter attitude towards the disease (he imbued it with a moral patina) did serve as a foil for gutsy people to push back against him and make his truculence an issue. In effect, the activists used his pisspoor attitude to fundraise and increase awareness.

Reagan basically ignored the problem for as long as he could, almost his entire term, but I do think the few mealy-mouth things he did towards the end were influenced by his wife, and he wouldn't have made any concessions on his own.

For whatever that's worth, of course.

RReagan had no intention of helping AIDS sufferers, but by being an asshole, he did -- inadvertently, mind you -- shine a spotlight on the issue. By politicizing it, he motivated half the nation to take an oppositional view to him. He may have helped the fundraising effort for better treatments/an eventual cure simply by being a total jerk.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

78. I remember the many ACT UP protesters.

SILENCE=DEATH.

I lost two wonderful men to AIDS. One was the kid down the street that I informally adopted as my little brother.

The other man was my cousin Sid who was absolutely a darling man. A professional trumpet player in a very good Dixieland band at the New Bell Saloon on Polk Street.

[MADem]

96. I remember that era as well. It was horrifying. Healthy people just started wasting away.

No one knew what the cause was, no one knew what to do. There was no leadership, and the WH was indeed SILENT. When they weren't mocking/laughing.

I lost a CPO who worked for me to it. Very sad situation, particularly in the context of a pre-DADT era. His "friends" fell away like they'd been scalded. His family turned their back. It's rather sad when your only visitor is your boss.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

123. Nobody knew what to do.

My sister worked at the biggest cancer hospital in the world. She told me about Kaposi's sarcoma, which was a particular kind of cancer that gay men got. It was one of the first red flags about the existence of AIDS.

[MADem]

125. Yes, I remember it well. That is when it became obvious that my CPO had a problem.

His case was especially virulent. One second he was getting promoted, and so swiftly, he went downhill, into hospice (which was a new concept then), and died.

[treestar]

102. what could she have done to help Rock?

What did she have a duty to do? Funny the would not be in the news without Hillary's error.

[MADem]

114. He thought he'd get better care in USA--actually, he didn't know it, but he was at the best

hospital in the world for HIV/AIDS. They're still out in front on immunology issues.

I suspect he was at that stage of desperation in illness where you try ANYTHING. I felt sad for him--he probably thought, right up until the end, that he could beat it.

I think Nancy felt guilty because she didn't try to help him (ineffectually or otherwise), and that motivated her down the line to work on RR to soften his objections.

Elizabeth Glaser also put a face on the illness, as did Ryan White. They made it easy for the Haters to find a reason to hate slightly less, I guess.

What I find interesting is the enthusiasm for continuing to beat on HRC after she has acknowledged she misspoke. That said, I do think her comment was (unintentionally) correct. Ronald Reagan, by studiously ignoring the issues surrounding HIV/AIDS, did create a clamor by his administration's dismissive and sometimes mocking attitude towards the disease. Had he "done the minimum" there wouldn't have been as much cause for activism. So, yeah, through inaction and stiff-arming, and not even providing lip service, he did advance the conversation. He did it as a foil, though, not as an advocate.

[treestar]

149. It is interesting in that one has to rack one's brains

to wonder what advantage Hillary is supposed to get by making this statement deliberately. They want so bad to say she "lied" that they overlook that there can't be much motive for it. What Democratic votes would she get by claiming Nancy Reagan did anything to help with AIDS - and that at Nancy's funeral.

[Metric System]

53. You know, humans make mistakes.

[salinsky]

55. She misspoke ...

... she meant Alzheimer's.

It happens.

Get over it.

The hatefest is really ridiculous.

[winter is coming]

62. She did not, because the Reagans didn't start a "national conversation" on that, either.

What was notable was that Nancy supported stem cell research at a time when few Republicans did.

[Luminous Animal]

86. No she didn't. She also spoke of Alzheimer's prior to her stupid AIDS/HIV remarks.

[Arazi]

122. No, she didn't mean Alzheimer's

There's no way since Alzheimer's has never been stigmatized.

“It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s,” Mrs. Clinton, who was attending Mrs. Reagan’s funeral in Simi Valley, Calif., told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell. “And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan – in particular, Mrs. Reagan – we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it. Nobody wanted to touch it

[The Traveler]

56. You can say nice things at a funeral without rewriting history.

I am baffled by what could have possibly caused her to think along those lines? What motivation for choosing those words?

Trav

[NurseJackie]

93. Exactly.

[Warren DeMontague]

57. Say she had nice hair, or she threw good parties.

Don't try to paper over one of the most atrocious legacies of the Reagan years.

[Bluenorthwest]

58. So at George Wallace's funeral it would be fitting to praise him as a Civil Rights advocate?

Because it's a funeral? Are your choices really to bash her on AIDS or credit her for staring the anti AIDS movement? Really? Talking about other things entirely was out of the question? Why is that?

You are trying to rationalize a very insulting thing which by the way demonstrated that Hillary has never paid attention to LGBT issues, that she joined Nancy in ignoring AIDS, that she really has no idea why what she said was so incredibly offensive. Her boosters here trying to downplay it are making a grave error.

[Waiting For Everyman]

63. Damn! She can't even do a funeral without screwing it up!

Do we REALLY want her to have the nuclear codes? Really???

Maybe she thought St. Ronnie was married to Liz Taylor?

[PonyUp]

64. Can't she just keep her mouth shut? nt

[Vinca]

71. She could easily have said something nice about something else.

Even saying the "Just Say No" stupid campaign was wonderful would have been better. Instead, she opts to turn thousands of people dying of AIDS into a fairy tale about Nancy and Ronnie. It's puke-worthy.

[Bluenorthwest]

73. I'd like you to address the questions I asked in the post above. Don't be a coward, own your

assertions and stand to defend them when challenged, Yavin4. Otherwise you are just a bunch of bullshit pixels.

[Ichingcarpenter]

74. Or you say nothing at all

What a bunch of crap you sprew after

Going to friends that died of AIDS.

[Bluenorthwest]

76. Allow me to quote you, Yavin4 from 2008 when you hit the nail on the head....

"If Hillary Is The Nominee, We Will Regret It. Why? Because the Clintons only care about their own political success, and the rest of the party can go to hell as far as their concerned."
" To deny that the Clintons are toxic to their fellow Democrats is to be blind."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4894954

[enigmatic]

80. So many Hillary supporters on DU in 2016 hated her in 2008

So many of them. Some, even w/ LGBT flags as their avatar, are now propping up and defending Reagan and his wife now when they hated them in 2008, all for their candidate.

Strange, isn't it?

[Bluenorthwest]

87. It's crazy. The biggest 08 Hillary bashers are now her most ardent supporters and not just on DU...

But this Reagan stuff is a whole new ballgame. It's time they be called on their crapola. This OP is saying 'haters gunna hate' about people not pleased to be hearing a Democrat praise the Reagans on AIDS'. Haters . It's disgusting and if this was an issue related to any other minority group they would not get by with that crap. Haters, they call LGBT and our allies. Haters.

It has to end.

[enigmatic]

89. I agree

It's all about winning to them, not governing. It's about achieving power, not pushing ideals w/ them, it seems.

[Yavin4]

119. It's called getting over it and reconciliation.

She could have waged an ugly convention battle, but she didn't. She endorsed Obama, and he made her his Sec. of State.

This is called being a mature, adult human being. It's a good life skill to have.

[Ichingcarpenter]

83. Yavin has evolved so much

it will not respond.

[Yavin4]

118. Sorry. I was at work. But I have responded. n/t

[Yavin4]

117. My post in 2008 was before she did this:

It's called reconciliation. Growth. Getting over things. Something a mature person would do. You should look into it some time. It will make you a better human being.

[Bluenorthwest]

138. So at George Wallace's funeral it would be fitting to praise him as a Civil Rights advocate?

did not answer that. Instead you launch snotty comments at me. You affect to teach me, but you can't manage to answer that question...

Here's the whole post again since you entirely ignored it while making an entire new thread to whine about being held to account like an adult human being:

So at George Wallace's funeral it would be fitting to praise him as a Civil Rights advocate?

Because it's a funeral? Are your choices really to bash her on AIDS or credit her for staring the anti AIDS movement? Really? Talking about other things entirely was out of the question? Why is that?

You are trying to rationalize a very insulting thing which by the way demonstrated that Hillary has never paid attention to LGBT issues, that she joined Nancy in ignoring AIDS, that she really has no idea why what she said was so incredibly offensive. Her boosters here trying to downplay it are making a grave error.



I'm sure you won't answer any of those questions because that would be discussion and you are not here to do that.

[Bluenorthwest]

156. I see you still can't manage to stand up and answer challenges. I'll ask again-

At George Wallace's funeral it would be fitting to praise him as a Civil Rights advocate?
Are your choices really to bash her on AIDS or credit her for staring the anti AIDS movement? Really? Talking about other things entirely was out of the question? Why is that?

If you can't manage to answer, why not admit you are very much in the wrong and apologize?

[Cheese Sandwich]

81. That was at a funeral? I thought it was on CNN.

[MADem]

97. Andrea Mitchell. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

129. YUP.

[Cheese Sandwich]

84. Who were the Reagans

[pdsimdars]

85. I agree, giver Hillary a break

I mean, she could just stick to facts, but giver her a break, it's a pathological thing.

[longship]

90. But why this? Why this specifically?

First, it is patently untrue by any measure and the record is very clear about that. Second, Secy Clinton is in the midst of a presidential campaign where every word she says is on the record.

So why does she say this?

[ms liberty]

162. Duh. She was speaking to the Reagan fans

Whose votes she wants in the GE.

[treestar]

98. Yes, Hillary just made an error

Making the most of every verbal gaffe is a Republican thing.

[cherokeeprogressive]

130. A 45 second, paragraph long error. You go with that.

She didn't misspeak. She miscalculated. And I'd bet my next paycheck she had no idea she had until her staffers got into her face.

[treestar]

148. what would be the calculation?

what would be the point? How would Hillary gain votes in the primary (in which she is already ahead) by claiming Nancy Reagan did anything about AIDS in the 80s?

[UglyGreed]

99. Why even mention AIDS????

[Arugula Latte]

105. You spin me right round, baby, right round, like a record baby, right round round round

Spin Spin Spin Spin Spin Spin Spin

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

107. It wasn't at a funeral; it was an interview with Andrea Mitchell.

And regardless, she could have said nice things about Nancy Reagan without making a completely false statement about Nancy's "low-key" (i.e., nonexistent) efforts to have a "national conversation" about AIDS.

[DefenseLawyer]

109. Hillary Clinton did not speak at Nancy Reagan's funeral.

As in, she did not get up and eulogize her before the mourners. She was interviewed by Andrea Mitchell prior to the ceremony. I don't think anyone said she should BASH her about anything, but she didn't need to make up nice things about her either.

[Mike__M]

111. That comments at a First Lady's funeral

had to be fact-checked indicates some kind of problem.
I wonder if Rosalynn, Laura or Michelle said anything questionable.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

121. It was NOT spoken at the funeral. It was during a TV interview

with Andrea Mitchell.

[Beringia]

144. that does make a difference

I thought she was making a speech at the funeral, talking to a reporter takes it down several notches.

[Arugula Latte]

115. It wasn't at Nancy Reagan's funeral. It was on Andrea Mitchell's show.

Is there no ground between outright lying and pandering to the right and "bashing"?

Seriously?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

124. Yeah, that's what Trent Lott said too.

[democrattotheend]

127. Who says she needed to bash?

But why say something that is flat out not true? Why not just focus on the positive things about Nancy Reagan, such as her advocacy for stem cell research, and whatever humanitarian things she did as first lady? Why bring up AIDS at all?

Since I don't see what she could have hoped to gain politically from the statement, I will give Hillary the benefit of the doubt that it was a gaffe. But it's a really big gaffe...how does she not remember history like that?

[hobbit709]

131. I've been to more than one funeral where people showed just to make sure

that the person in the box was really dead.

When Bush, Cheney and their cohorts go I'll be glad.

[Live and Learn]

136. I'm beginning to wonder if she really believes these imaginary things happen.

That is even more frightening than her outright making them up.

[Recursion]

139. On that blessed future day when W leaves this earth, I fully expect Democrats to praise

things like, for example, his work on HIV-AIDS in Africa (which is really good), or his refusal to demonize American muslims when lots of his base really wanted him to. I do not expect a Democrat to say he was a voice for peace and international consensus, and would be extremely angry if one did.

Similarly, I think Sanders had absolutely the right tone in praising Nancy Reagan's advocacy for stem cell research and work on spreading awareness and compassion for persons with dementia and Alzheimers. Those were good things Nancy Reagan did, and a funeral is the exact right time to say them.

Making up -- not just something she didn't do, but the exact opposite of what she did, is really bad.

[Bluenorthwest]

143. Yep. That's about it. Perfectly stated.

nt

[ibegurpard]

167. exactly

[Chef Eric]

140. What a ridiculous question.

I don't know anybody who is saying that Hillary should've bashed Nancy Reagan at her funeral.

[Betty Karlson]

150. NICE? Being callous about thousands of deaths is NICE?

The issue here is not that Clinton tried to be NICE to that hypocrite b**** Nancy Reagan. It's that she did so in a way that offended everyone who has ever lost a friend or a family member or a neighbour or a lover - and remembers how Ron and Nency decided to "just let the gay cancer do its magic".

They let it happen, which is when the epidemic turned into a genocide attempt. For Clinton to present that as "silent activism" is so offensive, she should apologise over and over, and you shouldn't try to excuse her lies and hurtful remarks.

[Karma13612]

153. It's one thing to simply say nice things, it's quite another to

Lie.

No one asked her to discuss HIVAIDS.

she brought it up, and also misspoke.

[farleftlib]

154. She re-victimized and re-traumatized victims of the Reagans' inaction

by making up a completely false story about a woman who cold-bloodedly refused to even life a finger to help a homosexual friend get care at the end of his life. The Reagans were heartless monsters on this issue. By pretending they were "low-key" heroes is a slap in the face to the gay community and anybody who lost a friend/lover/relative to that scourge.

You can say nice things about the dead without negating the horror inflicted on an entire demographic by the deceased.

[CBGLuthier]

155. Overly nice? What she said was the exact opposite of reality.

It would be like saying Hitler did a lot of good for the jews. Fuck Nancy and fuck Hillary for her bullshit coded speech lies.

[ms liberty]

157. I don't think anyone is saying she should have

bashed Nancy for AIDS at her funeral. But she could have said nice things about her without mentioning HIV/AIDS at all. She could have said she was devoted to her husband and children. She could have said a lot of things that would have satisfied the niceties of polite funeral remarks. Instead, she chose to tell a lie, one that millions of Americans know to be a lie...because we were alive then and know the truth of the matter from having lived through it ourselves. It is appalling and infuriating.

[malletgirl02]

161. If the shoe was on the other foot

and Bernie Sanders said that Hillary Clinton said, about the Reagans and AIDS would you still be saying, "people say overly nice things at a funeral"? No you would not be defending such a statement.

[dr60omg]

163. She had no rational reason to bring up HIV/AIDS

She had no rational reason to bring up HIV/AIDS at her funeral. Or, in the interview with Andrea Mitchell

The reality is her supposed gaffes reveal far more than they can ever conceal .... the heel comment along with the super predator comments

The abortion as rare and not being for late term abortions medically either you are for abortion or not

And both the Clintons long egregious history again LGBTQ rights even though apparently recently she evolved too late for far too many people.

DOMA DADT and she and Bill Clinton were not even for ENDA


Funny down south in right wing Florida way before the Clintons came to power we were able to end Anita Bryant's Florida Orange Juice commercials ...

[ucrdem]

169. She mixed up Alzheimer's and AIDS at a private funeral for a deceased past president's widow.

Haven't heard a peep about it anywhere but here. Final answer: what was the question?

[polly7]

170. She brought up 'both'. nt.