2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Will Never Admit Publicly That She Supports Fracking, But She's a Booster Behind Closed Door
http://www.alternet.org/environment/hillary-will-never-admit-publicly-she-supports-fracking-shes-booster-behind-closed-doorsThere's only one presidential candidate who forthrightly supports a ban on fracking: Bernie Sanders.
Hillary Clinton fielded a question about whether she supports fracking in Sundays Democratic presidential debate.
Heres her equivocal answer and a rebuttal:
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Wonder how much of this is addressed in the Wall Street Speeches?
ANd before you defend Fracking and worry about the price of oil watch "Gasland" and address the health problems it is and will be causing.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)to a site on basically 'How to Find a F*king Fracking Job' and some info below on what it looks like from space.
http://www.frackingjobs.co/fracking-companies-find-them-here/
Jesus.
If you "run your eye up that line of lights at the center of the country, look over to the upper left," NPR wrote last year, referring to the image, above: "There's a patch that looks like a big citybut there is no big city in that part of North Dakota. There's mostly grass. So what are those lights doing there? What is that?"
So, we're told, "here is the same map again; this time, the patch is marked with a circle. It turns out, yes, that's not a city. And those lights weren't there six years ago."
The lightsand the structures they indicateare there as part of the immense extraction operations of fracking, breaking open the landscape from within and releasing huge hydrocarbon resources that were previously inaccessible by industrial means. Because of the regions where it occursin the middle of nowhere, often on farmlandfracking has resulted in whole new forms of settlement, with so-called "man camps" popping up like 21st-century Levittowns in row after row of portable trailers.
HOW can anyone support this? Our planet is NOT for sale.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)stop fracking. Which really would have me totally cracking up, except for the fact that this is tragic.
It is almost as though the right hand of the state government does not know what the left hand is doing.
We have such strict water useage laws right now in California, due to the drought.
Yet for some stinking reason, the Big Energy Firms seem to be exempt from any water restrictions! I mean, are you kidding me?
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)lawsuit? http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2015/10/nestle-lawsuit-arrowhead
We have been in drought here forever. Our well ran dry a month after we bought our home and we hauled water for ten years until we could hook in to a privately owned water company for a mere 9K. Unreal.
It appears the corporations own everything, the land, the air and now the water.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)So many times regulations exist only to line the coffers of governmental agencies and various local treasuries.
Put up a two foot high picket fence to make yr front yard pretty, and the same city or town officials who could care less that a gas station is illegally discharging (or leaking) a ton of water into a local creek will be down on you like white on rice. And then you will end up taking down the little fence rather than paying for permits. (With the yard looking less appealing once the fence is down.)
Glad you finally got hooked up to some real water. How exactly did you manage carrying it before the hook up? (I keep thinking of going off the grid, and am curious about struggles like this.)
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)I think there is another case in upstate NY for basically the same reasons. We truly learned water conservation. Dug two well houses about 10'deep by 8' long by 5' wide. Put one 450 gal. tank in one, the pump and electronics in the other. Also had another 550 gal. above ground. All were connected by pvc in 4' deep trenches because it gets to 20 below here sometimes...Hauled the water with a 175 gal. in the bed of a 1980's diesel pu and also towed a 550 gal tank on a trailer. It was fun in the winter with all the snow and mud. The water was crappy so we got a water softener and that helped. I would not recommend doing this to anyone. When we had our annual 3" monsoon rain in one day it flooded both tanks, floated the underground tank and filled it with mud. My husband was standing in the other tank in pouring rain screaming at me to shut off the electricity so he would not be electrocuted. It was a nightmare. We are in our 60's now and still have all the tanks and will use them to store water for the garden and trees this summer. If you live in an area where it rains you might want to try a water cachment system but I gotta warn you it is soooo not worth hauling. At the time we just had no other choice.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)...all kinds of rules and oversight. That's why we probably won't be able to block natural gas pipelines proposed to run through streams, rivers, wetland and national forests in Virginia and Pennsylvania in spite of a very strong grass roots movement against them.