Hillary's campaign doesn't fear indictment or the FBI, because the Rule Of Law doesn't apply to her

[Dragonfli]

We no longer have the rule of law in this country because the law does not apply to everyone. We have laws that apply to serfs, and a "ruling class" that has become quite literally above the law, so Hillary, her campaign, and her supporters aren't in the least bit afraid of the FBI, the justice Dept. or any chance there will be any indictment no matter the evidence acquired via testimony from a witness granted immunity. In fact, even a mountain of evidence will have no effect on one such as Herself.

Sure, you can go to prison for stealing food if you are a serf, you can go to prison for growing a plant even. But the rule of law only applies to peasants. If you are a high government official, a thug doing their dirty work (rape, murder, torture, kidnapping, anything really) or are a billionaire that profits those in high public office (stealing billions in money or real estate, killing people by denying procedures and medicines as the "gatekeepers of health", or imprisoning people for the sake of profit) you are above the law, the law simply doesn't apply to you.

Once when these same facts were true in a monarchy that made the same distinctions regarding royalty and serf classes, there were those that rebelled against such an immune royalty which were allowed to abuse the people, steal everything from them (their homes, their crops, what few meager coins they managed to earn, even their lives) and face no consequences. Revolutions were fought and promises were made by the victors, Promises such as the rule of law applies to all or it applies to none. Promises that now ring hollow as the champions of a fair government slowly over time devolved back into what was and what always had been, a system of an elite few above laws possessing nearly all the wealth while laws were used exclusively against their victims - the majority that go hungry and grow sick under the rule of that elite.


We have come full circle now. For it is common for a financial and political higher class to never have to fear laws that would imprison any commoner and we are supposed to accept this, cheer it even as the lord of our castle defeats the lord of some other castle. But the bread and circuses grow ever more scarce. The illusions of fairness ever more transparent, and the cruelties ever more severe.

If we are to follow laws that do not apply to our masters. If our masters are given the fruits of all of our labors while we search our dirt floors for crumbs as they laugh in their mansions discussing ways to extract even more from their impoverished serfs. Perhaps we are less than serfs, perhaps we are dogs that now only lick the hands of the masters that beat us. Perhaps the dream of shared prosperity and happiness has finally died within our hearts and our minds.

Perhaps we deserve our fate because we so meekly, even proudly in some cases accept it.

I hope the majority (we the serfs) in this neo-feudalism we find ourselves living in, finally do what needs to be done and rather than lick the hand that beats us, stage a revolution (to clarify, a bloodless political revolution). We have a focus for such a revolution now, A person that can not only lead us, but one that also encourages, even plainly states that we also must lead ourselves, telling us in fact that the only way to win back not only a fairly shared wealth in this country, but also shared access to education, medical care, a common justice where killer cops are brought to justice by authorities higher up than the local prosecutors that are their friends, allowing them to murder and commit countless other crimes with impunity, and yes even a rule of law that is above rather than below the wealthy Oligarchs, bankers and their Clinton like political enablers that are purchased by and ordered to do their bidding in exchange for donations, bribes, and millions for themselves.

We must fight for ourselves, unified, rather than divided as the ruling elites would prefer, just as he will fight for us from a higher position of authority if we are finally ready as a country to elect such a rare and honest politician to such an authoritative position.

We are the revolution that can restore the rule of law that so many are now above.
We are the citizens that must use our votes to elect leaders that are on our side rather than the purchased politicians in office at present.

We are the ones that must and will stay together and continue fighting long after the elections and never stop until wealth disparity, and equal justice for all people, no matter how they are perceived - by race, gender, sexuality, immigration status, or even wealth becomes reality rather than the dream of great men throughout history.

Let us put an end to anyone being above the law.
Let us put an end to any being below the law and thus denied justice.
Let us have our day at last, let us have our political Revolution.

Let us finally revolt against the royalty as so many have before us throughout history against Kings, despots and entitled aristocrats!

UNITED WE CANNOT BE DEFEATED!

[Zambero]

1. Please correct me if I'm wrong

The FBI (Federal Bureau of INVESTIGATION as opposed to INDICTMENT) indeed investigates, but does not have authority to issue indictments.

[Dragonfli]

3. No, but they recommend indictment to those that have that power based on the case they build

with the evidence they collect during their investigation, or not, if an investigation shows there is no proof to recommend such.

[blm]

2. My vote is for Bernie. I am also not willing to pretend that HRC has been protected. In fact,

I would be interested in hearing you name one other public official or candidate who has endured MORE scrutiny of their private and professional life than HRC.


I am SO glad that I side with Sanders AND his integrity. Too bad I can't say the same for more here at DU.

[Dragonfli]

6. Bush and Cheney, and they committed war crimes and were held above the law

Bankers are obviously above the law, they are not prosecuted even when caught money laundering, for drug cartels, or committing large scale fraud (us normal people would go to jail for committing the same crimes even on a microscopic scale in comparison) but rater they are fined, usually an amount far below the profit received from the illegalities and even then they write off those fines on their taxes.

Besides you were a bit off topic, I never stated or implied she was shielded from scrutiny, only that I and those in her campaign, including Herself believe she enjoys the same place above the law as others with her status among financial and political royalty.

Perhaps She and I are mistaken, and she will have to face the law, we shall see.

[blm]

7. Bush and Cheney and their cabinet were NEVER held to the same level of scrutiny - not by law and

not by congress and not by the news media.

You clearly made the point that she enjoyed privileges that no one else would have - I asked you to produce ONE name of another public official who endured greater scrutiny by EVERY MEASURE than HRC.

I doubt you can. Till then, perhaps you can direct your energy to REALITY.

[Dragonfli]

10. You are the one bringing up "scrutiny" I am trying to stay on topic

Jesus, just go vote for the poor dear you feel you must defend. If you think Bush was not under scrutiny, you missed all the marches and protests I attended. If you wish to discuss the very real problem of so many people being above the law (even when scrutinized) then talk.

You are the one that appears to have left reality behind, how many of the Bankers responsible for the crash have gone to prison?
Why is Kissinger not in prison?
Why is Bush not in prison?

That is my larger point. You just think that Hillary does not have the same get out of jail free card when it appears obvious to me she does.

Now stay on topic and get off this scrutiny bullshit that I never once mentioned and therefore have no reason to defend.

I have no time for your:

[blm]

11. Baloney - You said HRC is above the law. In fact, she has been held to legal scrutiny MORE than

any other public official in modern history. I have legitimate reasons for not voting for her in the primary, but, I draw the line at pretending she has escaped any kind of legal examination the way most RWers claim, and currently some of my fellow Sanders supporters.

"We no longer have the rule of law in this country because the law does not apply to everyone. We have laws that apply to serfs, and a "ruling class" that has become quite literally above the law, so Hillary, her campaign, and her supporters aren't in the least bit afraid of the FBI, the justice Dept. or any chance there will be any indictment no matter the evidence acquired via testimony from a witness granted immunity. In fact, even a mountain of evidence will have no effect on one such as Herself."

Bushies left behind ALOT of their people in the Dept of Justice and at the FBI. There is no way that she would be 'getting away' with anything if there was actually something she did that was indictable.

[Dragonfli]

12. Yes I said she was above the law, what has she ever been convicted of? Again with the scrutiny

You appear intent on beating a dead horse I never mentioned with a man of straw in it's saddle.
Since you refuse to stay on topic, any further discussion is pointless. Take your straw man, place him on an empty chair and yell at him the rest of the evening, such would make better use of our time and may in fact be therapeutic for you.

Just go ahead and vote for the poor overly scrutinized innocent lamb you defend so ardently, remaining in the closet pretending you prefer Bernie is beginning to affect you in negative ways. Be free! leave the closet, it is the healthy thing to do. Things will get better as there are others like you, they even have a safe haven so posts such as mine will not be present to raise your blood pressure and anger you so much.

[blm]

13. You think she should have been convicted for something? Name it.

Scrutiny including LEGAL scrutiny which you seem to believe hasn't been happening. There is no straw man, just holding you to accountability for the claim you made. You don't like it and feel cornered and now whine that my use of the word scrutiny is a straw man.

I call utter BULLSHIT on your claim that I am posing - If you ever BOTHERED to read my posts, you'd know by now that I was one of Clinton's fiercest and most consistent critics here at DU for well over a decade. And I did it with TRUTH, and not with one word of RW propaganda. There is only ONE reason that I pulled back from that and it is because I work GOTV in a very purple state where every vote makes a difference. I have no luxury to indulge my disagreements with her except in the primary voting booth come Tuesday morning, because my NEIGHBORS matter. Voting rights matter. The immigrants in this state matter. The women in this state matter. The water matters. The once great university system that has been under severe attack for the last 4 years matters. I live in NC and every single vote for a Dem candidate MATTERS. Yes - I am one of those who does the heavy lifting when it comes to voter participation and you find that suspect. Undergod help us in this state if your view prevails.

Further, I have watched GOP trolls get recommend after recommend for utter horseshit posts here repeating RW talking points. DU would have been all over these trolls back in past election cycles, and now they get over 100 recs. Anyone who knows me over the last 15 years knows damn well that I have had a keen focus on RW media and corpmedia, and call it out here when I see it posted. If my consistency on that makes you think that I am actually a Clinton supporter posing as a Sanders supporter, well that paranoia is on YOU. You apparently have never bothered to get to know one thing about me. Well, know this - I don't give a flying fvck what any unfair person thinks.

[Dragonfli]

14. If you think I'm RW you haven't read my posts, your better talking point to bait me is (far leftist)

[blm]

15. There's your problem - lack of comprehension - I never once said you were RW.

I understood where you were coming from and gave you details who I am and what motivates my postings that YOU see as suspect.

No one with comprehension skills could possibly have read what I posted and concluded what you concluded. Most of my post was about me explaining myself to someone so dug in to their own wrongheaded view that they are unable to reply to the content.

[99Forever]

24. Get better bait.

What you are using is weak and pathetic.

[blm]

30. 1) It's not bait, it's called HONESTY. 2)If you think Dem GOTV workers have no right to air

their concerns and are merely here to bait, then alert on me and show you are committed to your conclusion that I am here to troll. You are wrong, but, it seems to me that you and a few others NEED to believe it's a simple matter of 'trolling' and 'baiting' because you can't allow yourself to be called out for any of the wrongheaded claims you make.

[99Forever]

31. Blah blah blah...

... same old bait, different day.

Still weak.

Still pathetic.

Still strawman.

[blm]

32. If that's what you sincerely believe then you best report me.

But, I see your lack of sincerity and view your answer more as a set pattern of escaping the burden of an honest reply.

[99Forever]

34. I care fuckall about "reporting" people.

That the games the DINOs play here. Silence the truth at all costs. If it isn't an echo chamber, you can't handle it.

I gave you an HONEST reply, you just can't stand hearing it. Strawman bullshit is all you've got, consistently weak and pathetic.

[blm]

37. There is no straw man. I posted an appropriate reply to the OPs charge that HRC has been

escaping legal consequences only because of the further claim by the OP that she enjoys the privilege of being above the law.

You are welcome to name one other public official that has garnered more legal attention and corporate media attention for perceived crimes of office than HRC. Shouldn't be hard since the claim made in the OP is that she is above the law, eh?

[99Forever]

38. Repeating lies doesn't make them true.

Fuck a whole bunch of strawmen.

[blm]

40. LOL - Yes, the OP is full of demonstrably false claims, and you're offended that I am

demonstrating they are false. In fact - you can't provide the simple answer. If the claims made in the OP are true, then you'll have no problem naming:

1) The many indictable crimes HRC has gotten away with.

2) The other public officials who have not enjoyed the same protections HRC gets from scrutiny via legal channels or from corporate media.

You won't. Because we both know you can't. You'll hide behind your pattern of responses that relieves you from the burden of a real answer.

Ya know - another time I called out an OP for making demonstrably false claims I was blocked from the HRC group.

You don't like reality, either?

Tough.

[99Forever]

43. Who the fuck said I was "offended?"

More strawman bullshit. You really don't even realize you're doing it, do you?

Weak and pathetic, always.

[blm]

44. More avoidance tactics from you, as always, and as expected.

The lie being built in the OP and in this thread is that the ONLY reason HRC hasn't been indicted for all the 'crimes' she committed over the years is due to a privilege she enjoys.

Funny, if that were true then it would be easy for any of you to answer what legal scrutiny she escaped through her privilege.

You know you can't answer so you whine "Strawman' hoping that is enough to distract from the demonstrated inability to answer.

[99Forever]

45. I don't answer strawman "questions."

I not fucking "hoping" for anything. As my very first response said, get some better bait, this bullshit is just plain weak and pathetic.

[blm]

48. Typical reply from someone who can't prove the OP's claim and avoids answer by

wrapping himself in the 'security blanket' of straw man in hopes that will be seen as enough.

Lol - You are so transparent.

I can list a number of political deceits and calculations by Clinton and reasons she doesn't deserve my primary vote, as I have done so for over a decade here at DU - You can't list ONE indictable crime she committed that she has been getting 'away' with as the OP is claiming.

LOL - Grab that security blanket you call straw man and wrap yourself up tight.

[99Forever]

49. Typical strawman bullshit.

It's all you've got.

[blm]

51. You whine 'Strawman' because it's the name of YOUR security blanket.

Because you can't prove the OP's claim is accurate, and neither can he, and neither has anyone else in this thread agreeing with his claim.

So all you have is your pattern of reply when you HAVE no honest reply - STRAWMAN. It HAS to be a STRAWMAN when you have no answer, right? You're SO smart you ALWAYS have accurate answers, so if you CAN'T answer it HAS to be a straw man, right?

OK - You're right, the OP makes NO MENTION, whatsoever, that HRC escapes legal consequences for her crimes because she is above the law - you're right, I made that part up.


LOL

[99Forever]

54. I'm not "whining," I'm...

at someone who ALWAYS has to have the last word.



Prove me right, please.

[blm]

56. Now THAT is another tactic of someone deceitful and avoiding

the truth they know they cannot acknowledge in a post - The OP's claim is demonstrably false, and you can't prove that the OP's claim is true even as you hope to distract from the truth with your empty, childish replies to me.

Enjoy the security blanket you think protects you from facing truth.

Transparent.

[99Forever]

57. You can't not answer, can you?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

52. 1) The many indictable crimes HRC has gotten away with.

BENGHAZI!!!!!!

[blm]

55. Exactly.

And thankyou for being another Sanders supporter who doesn't NEED to further RW talking points in order to oppose HRC and support Sanders. It has been difficult to be a RW propaganda watchdog all these years and to stay quiet about the rampant use of it here at DU. Politically deceitful, yes. Unscrutinized and above the law criminal, no.

Where's MWO when we need it?

; )

[99Forever]

58. Well Elmer...

... since you decided to stick your nose in, kindly point out where I said (other than this reply to you) in this thread, one fucking single solitary word about "indictable crimes HRC has gotten away with" or "BENGHAZI!!!!!!".

Thanks in advance.

[blm]

59. You defended the OP's claim that my reply was a straw man when, in fact, my answer

was appropriate in calling out the false claims being made in the OP - that HRC is above the law and has a privilege that protects her from legal consequences. I asked him to prove his claim, and he screamed Strawman - just as you are.

Wrap yourself up tight, now, facts have a way of bringing chill with them.

[99Forever]

60. More strawman bullshit.

I did no such thing. Still got to have the last word, doncha? Even if it's purely fantasy.

[blm]

61. Your security blanket named "Strawman!"

And look - it even tickles you.

So long, Mr "have no honest answer" Forever.

[99Forever]

62. Your "security blanket" always getting the last word.

Not gonna happen this time.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

64. I wasn't responding to you. Sorry for the confusion.

[99Forever]

65. No problem.

Thanks for clearing it up.

[7962]

68. You want something she should be charged with? Here's just ONE:

It is against the law to remove classification markings from classified information and enter it into an unclassified system — which is the only way this information could have found its way into more than 1,300 emails on Clinton’s personal server. There is no way to “accidentally” send classified information by unclassified email.
Senior officials have separate computers in their offices for classified and unclassified information. The two systems are not connected. The only way information from the classified system can make it onto an unclassified system is for someone to intentionally put it there — either by taking a document that is marked classified and typing the information without markings into an unclassified email, or by putting a thumb drive into their classified computer, downloading information and then putting that thumb drive into an unclassified computer, as Edward Snowden did. In either case, it is a crime.

So Clinton’s defense that the information was not “marked” classified does not absolve her of wrongdoing. Quite the opposite, it puts her in greater legal jeopardy.

Info from WaPo, 1/25

[monicaangela]

75. Not saying she has committed any crimes but...

Even if she had, it is highly unlikely she would be prosecuted, and with the state of the nation in this era allowing the Bush administration to escape punishment after blatantly torturing prisoners and more...I can see why some would think there are many who are actually considered above the law in this nation, and evidently after the financial crisis, we see it isn't only politicians that fall under this category.

Functional immunity arises from customary international law and treaty law and confers immunities on those performing acts of state (usually a foreign official). Any person who in performing an act of state commits a criminal offence is immune from prosecution. This is so even after the person ceases to perform acts of state. Thus it is a type of immunity limited in the acts to which it attaches (acts of state) but will only end if the state itself ceases to exist. This type of immunity is based on respect for sovereign equality and state dignity.

The offices usually recognized as attracting this immunity are Head of State or Head of Government, senior cabinet members, Foreign Minister, and Defense Minister. Such officers are immune from prosecution for everything they do during their time in office. For example, an English court held that a warrant could not be issued for the arrest of Robert Mugabe on charges of international crimes on the basis that he was a presently serving Head of State at the time the proceedings were brought. Other examples are the attempts to prosecute Fidel Castro in Spain and Jiang Zemin in the USA.

However, the moment accused leaves office, they are liable to be prosecuted for crimes committed before or after their term in office, or for crimes committed whilst in office in a personal capacity (subject to jurisdictional requirements and local law). Pinochet was only able to come to trial because Chile and the UK had both signed and ratified the UN Convention Against Torture through which such immunities were waived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunity_from_prosecution_(international_law)

So even if a crime has been committed we, the citizens of this nation will be the last to know if we ever get to know.
I'm surprised you don't understand after what happened in this country and around the world with the financial crisis and what did not happen to those that caused it, there are some that appear to be above the law.

[pinebox]

33. Oh please

Hillary has weaved her web and is a liar, we all know this, shit bro you can get on YouTube and find that shit. She's about as honest as a used car salesman from the 1970s.

[blm]

35. For over 12yrs I've posted attacks on HRC's integrity. Here I am calling out the CLAIM being

made that she deserves to be indicted for crimes based mostly in RW propaganda and that the NLY reason she hasn't been indicted is because of a special untouchable status she enjoys.

Sorry, but, my problems with HRC are based in FACT and based in personal deceits I am aware of and posted about here frequently (till my state went red). They are not based in RW propaganda and the idea that she has been above the law when she is IN FACT, because of the GOP's constant onslaught, the most scrutinized public official in modern history both via legal channels and corporate media.

If you can name one public official or candidate in recent history who has received more ongoing legal attention and media attention for their alleged 'crimes' then please name that person.

[pinebox]

36. Fact? The only fact with Hillary is that she has a problem with honesty

"If you can name one public official or candidate in recent history who has received more ongoing legal attention and media attention for their alleged 'crimes' then please name that person."

Nobody can and do you know why? Nobody lies like Hillary. NOBODY. She owns it.
Wake up! It isn't RW propaganda when you're caught lying, it's a pathological problem.

[blm]

39. Then name the INDICTABLE CRIMES she is getting away with that no other official

would get away with.

You're arguing with someone who has pointed to HRC's various political deceits for more years than most here at DU. I am also a RW propaganda watchdog here at DU since the early years - I know the difference between what she has done that has led me to vote for Obama and now Bernie, and what she hasn't done to deserve indictment.

What bothers some here is that I won't go along with the utter bullshit being tossed around and calling it being a Sanders supporter - Many of us Sanders supporters won't play by the rules some of you want to set. It's called INTEGRITY.

You don't like it?

Tough.

[pinebox]

42. You obviously don't understand what it is I am saying.

Hillary is a LIAR and a serial one at that and yet you aren't getting it at all. Not a bit. You try to spin this narrative that Hillary is all "woe is me, leave Hillary alone" yet people won't and you know why? She is the MOST DISHONEST politician around. Period. That is why she is given special attention, people don't trust her. Connect the dots bro!

This is NOT utter bullshit either



I'm sorry you aren't getting it. It is what it is. Maybe if she was a little more honest with people then she wouldn't get the kind of shit she does tossed at her. As I said, she weaved her web, one day is for it and the next she is against it, or vice versa. Why do you think she's called "Camp Weathervane"? She is a flip flopper and people see that as being dishonest.

She has NO integrity. ZERO! Liars never have integrity.

Own it!

[blm]

46. Baloney - I clearly state that I have attacked her INTEGRITY, apparently you missed that.

What I am proving that you 'don't get' is that the OP made false claims, and that though we can point out political deceits and calculations she's made over the many years (as I have) there is NO PROOF made by the OP and others here that she has escaped legal scrutiny due to the OPs claim of privilege.

I would argue that she has received MORE legal scrutiny and corporate media scrutiny for actions that others have never endured because they were never such focused targets of the GOPs RW machine, including the use of nuisance lawsuits and frivolous charges.

Why is that so difficult for some of you to 'get'? You find it odd that someone can be totally against HRC and won't give her my primary vote based on years of political deceits that I have consistently called her out on here at DU, and yet I won't give in to the LIE in the OP that the only reason she needn't worry about indictment is because she enjoys a special privilege from legal consequences.

Perhaps you need to reread the exchanges and allow your comprehension skills to kick in.

Her political deceits and calculations are real. The GOP's list of indictable crimes by HRC is NOT real. The OP's claim that HRC is privileged to the point of enjoying protection from legal channels and legal consequences is NOT real.

Sorry that I am proving to be a better example of who Sanders is than most who claim to support him - I won't indulge the GOP and their RW propaganda, the differences are enough so that we don't NEED to further claims of indictable crimes.

Your mileage, apparently, varies.

[pinebox]

47. I read all you said

Yet you still aren't connecting the dots.
Perhaps you need to let your analogy skills kick in..."Boy Who Cried Wolf" scenario when it comes to Hillary.
C an you show me anything I posted which is RW propaganda? Of course you can't because I haven't yet you dismiss the evidence I present you. Go figure lol
Sorry bro not into playing stupid games to win stupid prizes but just because I can, have another video of Hillary lying her ass off.

[blm]

50. LOL - Try READING for starters. I call out HRC's lack of integrity and have for over a DECADE.

Even when I was one of the FEW here doing so before she started running for WH.

READ. What I am calling out here is that despite her political deceits and political calculations we can point to and of which there are MANY - she has NEVER enjoyed protection from legal consequences and the attending scrutiny AS THE OP CLAIMS.

The GOP propagandists have made this claim for years - that though HRC has committed many crimes she escaped legal consequences because of privilege.

What part of this are you NOT getting?

Shall I make it even CLEARER for you?

1) HRC is deceitful and calculating and I will not vote for her in the primary because her political deceits have been an issue for me for many years, and here at DU since 2003 when I first started posting about those deceits and calculations here.

2) What HRC is NOT is someone who is ENJOYING a lack of legal scrutiny by all involved - by legal channels, by congress, and by corporate media. The GOP claims she isn't being indicted for the many crimes THEY say she committed because she is above the law. The OP is making that same claim.

Now, show me where you see that I 'don't get' that she has been consistently deceitful, even though I have clearly stated so…..repeatedly…..since at least 2003…and repeatedly in this thread.

[ucrdem]

27. Good point and thanks for making it.

I think this is basically a Peter Pan post. As in, How much do you hate Cap'n Hillary? Clap your hands or Tinkerbell dies!

[monicaangela]

29. Did Nero fiddle while Rome burned?

[Hydra]

4. They do think we are animals, less useful than dogs, really

And I doubt we'll be united about doing something to fix it...but I don't think we have to be. Just the 100th monkey. The one person more than the tipping point.

It will all disappear at that point. Not physically, but in the minds of the right people. It will be seen as illegitimate, and no longer possible to tolerate.

[bvar22]

5. Some are indeed above the law, even rewarded for mass murder of peasants.

When the Working Class and the Poor realize we have more in common with each other than we have in common with the 1% and their paid lackeys in Washington,
THEN we can have real change.

The good news is that more peasants are waking up as the crumbs become fewer and fewer. This election season has given me hope again.

[Dragonfli]

8. The murder of peasants can even earn one clout as "elder statesman" or even a Nobel prize

I hope you are correct about the peasants waking up.
If not, and it keeps going the way it has been then after enough time has past for a peaceful revolution to no longer be an option. Unfortunately people will finally understand the warning Kennedy gave us with that quote.

[bvar22]

9. One thing for which I'm grateful to the Bush Administration:

They were so obsessed with Iraq that they took their eye off the ball in Latin America long enough for the "peasants" to overthrow their 1% Colonial Oligarchs in many countries through near bloodless Ballot Box Revolutions. The people of Latin America accomplished this despite their 1% owning 100% of the Media.
They did it through Word of Mouth and local organizing.
Though they suffered some set backs (during the Obama Administration),what they did in Latin America gives me hope for our World.

VIVA Democracy.
It can happen here too.
Spread the WORD.

[Dragonfli]

19. Yes! it can happen here too, I am spreading the word via canvassing my entire neighborhood

It is hard because I require supplemental oxygen and I can't afford a car. Nevertheless even in my poor neighborhood where people have dropped out of politics feeling equally screwed by all politicians (or as cynical pundits might say, no one talks about poor issues because the poor don't vote). I have received strong support to vote for Sanders at a rate of about 55%-60% of those I talk to!

Over the past 4 months with just a half hour of straight talk with a fellow impoverished neighbor, and ten minutes or so showing them information on my laptop, I have received so many requests about how to register to vote this primary, that after about a month I started taking the bus to get stacks of voter registration forms, because I know most of my people have a hard time getting around, largely because they work two or in a great many cases, three jobs and don't have much time. While the others unable to find work or living off SS or SSDI or the "reformed", temporary and absurdly miserly remnants of welfare that they lack the bus-fare to get their and back.

So fat I have made 5 trips to pick up forms! I will also add that I live in a mixed neighborhood that is largely minorities of differing origins (about 40% black, 30% Latino, 10% or likely more mixed and the rest white). I see no overt "Clinton firewall" among any of my poor neighbors no matter their color or heritage. I suppose I am a good ambassador here because I am mixed race, but I am often taken for a tan white person with eyes set a little different, I don''t blame people for not always noticing I'm mixed, because I am quite the mut, 1/4 black, 1/4 white, 1/4 Latino and 1/4 Korean with blue eyes, tan rather than brown skin, with curly hair (but not overly curly) and a beard that is mostly grey. I guess I just look like a generic Hippy.

I always speak politely (I find it helps with everyone, not just while canvassing but in all social interactions). Everyone not only deserves to be first met with respect, but should be, as people notice such things just as they notice when you look them in the eye while talking to them, most people even respond in kind.

Imagine how many Bernie supporters besides myself, many with better and more numerous social connections, easier abilities to reach more people, and not to mention the work done by those that give good phone (sadly I do much better in person as most find me likable and honest in person for some reason) I am not good on the phone, because I can't see their eyes and know what they need to hear to see the truth.

Yes Spread the Word! We are many and many of us are spreading the word. I expect a lot of non-likely voters voting for Sanders at least among those I spread the word with, the pundits have it ass backwards you see, poor people don't vote because no one talks about their issues
No one except Sanders that is, and by doing so he is mobilizing the poor vote that is so loathed and despised by most politicians that they speak of them as leeches or a drain on society whose programs should be cut to pay for more war or tax breaks for the rich, when they even acknowledge their existence, it is to vilify and scapegoat. That is the real reason the poor don't vote. I know this as fact because I am currently poor, was poor growing up and have most of my life lived with my poor peers.

One thing I would tell people who have been fortunate enough not to live poor (I was middle class for a time in-between so I know a bit about you guys too and the things most of you you never learned about the poor).

If you are hungry, or homeless, in need of food, or a night of warmth, a poor person is far more likely to empathize and do what they can (even with such meager means at their disposal) for you than any other class, we help each other to survive, it is a shame that the upper classes do not often share such good human qualities, I will admit to many exceptions among the middle and upper classes, but it is not the norm, down here it is.

[PatrickforO]

16. Now, it's more than just revolting against the economic royalty.

Now, it is us against the Trump supporters - the white supremacists, xenophobes, neo-nazis, homophobes and assorted fascist dupes for the demagogue.

Seriously, dragonfli is quite right. We have to be together, because Bernie is the person who can unite us.

It sure isn't Trump.

[randome]

21. Sanders has not united anyone at DU, that's for sure!

The 'revolution' appears to largely depend on 'tagging' Clinton with something so that Sanders can win. This fake email issue is tiresome.

Go Sanders! Go Clinton!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is -hockey- Conservative values!"[/center][/font][hr]

[Major Hogwash]

73. Name the last Presidential candidate who was being investigated by the FBI!!!

You can't, because it never happened before!

Boo-yah!!!!

[randome]

76. And Clinton is not being investigated, either so...

I know you want to think she is but my thought is that you should be spending more time on the 'revolution' than in trying to injure our leading candidate.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Major Hogwash]

77. No, I'm not wrong.

And the Inspector General was on Colbert's program last week and said she was taking the investigation very seriously.

[rhett o rick]

17. The Clintons are members of the ruling class and they really don't care about us.

Thanks for the great post.

[slipslidingaway]

18. Justice should be distributed equally! So tired of the my team vs. your team while most people ...

tread water at best and too many people just sink to the bottom.

People are angry, that is why people on the right are behind Trump, not to mention the complicity of the media. Strange how the other party has seen the writing on the wall before we did and dismissed Jeb almost from the start.

There are two candidates not funded by the multinational corporations, it is our choice to decide.

[monicaangela]

28. I agree 100% with your comment slipslidingaway

We only have two choices. Trump or Sanders. I say SANDERS all the way.

[slipslidingaway]

69. Thx, we have a chance with Sanders, not sure about Clinton, so I am with you. nt

[monicaangela]

70. I get to vote for Sanders tomorrow!

I hope to be the first in line at the polls.

[slipslidingaway]

71. Lucky you! June here :((( But my daughter voted early in Florida for Sanders :) nt

[monicaangela]

74. Just came back from the polls!

How wonderful it was to cast my vote for Senator Sanders. This is one time I could cast my vote without wondering if I was doing the right thing. I talked with other voters and many were voting for Sanders, some were on the fence, and I'm sure after our conversations while waiting in line they had decided to vote for Sanders. I know waiting for June seems like a long wait, but just think, if the candidates are close in the race at that time or even tied, your vote could help to put Sanders over the top. Think of it that way.

[slipslidingaway]

82. That is wonderful, I want to be able to do that! :) nt

[monicaangela]

83. Your vote for Sanders is going to be even more important than ever

Now that Hillary has won all four states in last nights election. We need Bernie at that convention. Please don't be discouraged, I believe Bernie will stay in right up to the convention. If he loses, I believe he will endorse Hillary and turn his delegates over to her the way she did with President Obama after the 2008 race, however; I don't believe Bernie will take a post in her cabinet, I believe he will continue to lead the revolution, and that will be more important for the citizens of this nation than anything else he could do in a Clinton administration. I still shudder to think that she will do one of her horrible flip flop gaffes and lose the election to Donald Trump and Trump appears to be on his way to be the republican nominee. This country is really on the brink of something that I believe we be a deciding factor in how the citizens of this nation carry on into the future. This one time I am happy to be a dual citizen.

[DCBob]

20. This is absurd.

There is no fear because she did nothing that would result in be indicted.

[Vinca]

22. Let me remind you, we haven't seen the end of the story yet.

We don't know whether or not she'll be indicted and she doesn't know whether or not she'll be indicted. Who would run for president and tell her supporters to expect criminal charges and a trial during the general election? Let it play out.

[NCTraveler]

23. Because it is a rw game of distortion...

Aimed at LIV's, not with a goal for incitement.

This is about campaigning in the way it has been spun, not anything to do with law.

Same as Benghazi. It's not about law or the truth. It is about deception and trying to bring down the front runner in the primary on our side and number one representative of progressives.

We should all be fighting against this. If Sanders wins, and they start doing these games of deception to him, I will be calling it out at every turn. You won't be wondering where I am and I won't be assisting the right wing as so many are right now. I will say because of this treatment of Clinton by some on the "left", all of my friends won't be joining me in that and many have lost the right to even request their help in such an endeavor.

[99Forever]

25. Kick and Rec.

[monicaangela]

26. OMG!!

I am more than impressed with this post. I sure wish I could read this in every Op-Ed in the country. Of course I know I won't be able to, but I sure hope you post this on every site on the web. If you would grant me permission, I would love to share this with others. Let me know. Excellent piece Dragonfli, excellent!

[blm]

41. Demonstrably false claims, though.

If you are impressed, then you can explain to me what crimes were committed that are indictable and that the only reason she has NOT been indicted is because of a privilege she enjoys that, apparently, even GOP lawmakers go along with, eh?

I have seen lots of political deceits and calculations by HRC and posted about it for many years here at DU, yet I haven't witnessed anything she did in office or outside of office that deserves criminal indictment. What did YOU see that I have not?

Please enlighten me.

[monicaangela]

63. I believe the post is about something different

than you are trying to get enlightened about. I think you would have to talk to Clinton's aides if you want to find out about that. Especially the one that took the 5th, then accepted the FBI's offer to testify if he was granted immunity. Now, suppose you enlighten me as to why he did that if there is nothing incriminating involved.

[blm]

66. The OPs claim is that HRC enjoys being above the law - the fact remains that she has

faced legal scrutiny and constant surveillance of her most every move, some legitimate and most illegitimate based on 'crimes' manufactured by GOP spin machines. Not one person challenging me on this thread can name one other public official who comes close to the multiple levels of scrutiny as HRC - legal, congressional, and via media.

Why anyone denies this reality is beyond me. If she did something indictable, then there is no way she will not face consequences because she is 'above the law' as the OP wishes to claim. It is far more likely though, that this is yet another instance where GOP sees something criminal ONLY if a Dem does it. Similar matters NEVER even get mentioned in terms of criminality, let alone get multiple hearings, when it's a GOP WH and cabinet.

[Dragonfli]

67. I remember an entire banking industry under mass "scrutiny" your favorite word, but they

Were held above the law. You didn't even bother to read my post did you? just the title and maybe first paragraph. I didn't say their was a class above scrutiny or political attack, an OP you apparently read somewhere else and attribute to me

MY OP (for about the zillionth time) has nothing at all to do with whether or not those in the above the law class are scrutinized, some are, some aren't and none of that is relevant to my OP. In fact I hate to break it to you, but I never even claimed those above the law had to break the law just to prove it, so your straw man not only annoys me (as is the main intent I'm sure) its straw is falling out of its cute little farmer suit.

In truth I listed her as merely an after thought because I realized why she has no fear of a very serious investigation (by the FBI not the Republicans as you falsely have claimed), my main point is we have people that committed fraud and other illegal activities on an entire country, even crashing a world economy and not one is in jail. We have expert torturers that apply their "art" which is not only illegal here but internationally, we have genocidal war criminals like Kissinger, Bush and others unfortunately, and they are not in jail, the list is very long and that is the main point of my OP that you wish to deflect from because for some reason you adore Hillary as some teenage girl might adore Bieber (which is far more apparent to the public than you realize).

I only believe she is but one person among the elite held above the law, a minor player at that. I also believe she has broken the law on several occasions, but do not wish to devolve away from the subject matter further by accommodating your attempt to deflect from the very real truth that is the main message of my OP which you intentionally pretend to miss, while throwing this extremely weak "scrutiny" straw man at it in the hopes no one will notice what I actually wrote.

You are the very definition of the metaphorical dog I spoke of that licks the hand of the master that beats it.
You are just so damn annoying and completely incapable of staying on topic regarding the very OP you are trolling.

So annoying in fact I have to place you on ignore, as irrelevant supporter of a corrupt system, that appears to spend all of his/her time playing with straw dolls and deflecting from the meat of OPS like a good little beaten lapdog. I very rarely place people on ignore because I like to keep up on the propaganda, but you are too annoying and there are so many other sources of disruption left unignored that I decided to make an exception for you based solely on the extremely high annoyance and irrelevance factors I am seeing here.

So Goodbye!

[dchill]

53. Rule of law = dandruff.

[Major Hogwash]

72. She does fear indictment, though, that's why she is so distracted lately.

Claiming Nancy Reagan helped fight HIV/AIDS is just one example.

[Tommy2Tone]

78. You should take your show to Fox News

They, like you, are also fair and balanced.

[Dragonfli]

79. No, Democracy now would be a better fit. I hate lying, HEY! maybe Hillary can work there.

Lying comes naturally for her, and after today, all her confederate friendly States will be used up and Bernie will start to close in.
Even if she lies and cheats her way into the GE, she will lose that one, so she may need a job besides peddling influence to the many corporations that pay her so very much.

[Turin_C3PO]

80. I'm a Sanders voter.

But in NO WAY will you catch me repeating shameful, right-wing propaganda that Clinton should be indicted. You're living in your own world if you don't know that the Clinton's have been targeted for years by the odious Republicans, who have tried to charge them with various crimes. Every single time they failed.
I'm voting against her in the Primary because I believe her centrist policies and political calculating are not what's needed in this country right now. But please, she's no criminal. So let's stop with hyperbole.
Other than the Clinton bit, I do think this is a good post.

[WDIM]

81. Hillary Clinton is a War Criminal.

As is anybody else that voted in favor of authorization of force in Iraq.

Her neocon policies of meddling in other countries and creating instability has murdered and maimed millions.

Only the rich can order others to murder legally you are spot on about the hypocrisy in our rule of law. All war has always been about the aristocrats killing the poor. The rich sending the poor to do their murder for them.

Hillary does not value human life. But she does value the donations from war contractors and dictators.

[Demsrule86]

84. She has done nothing to be indicted.

Honestly ...this is a terrible post...plays right into the GOP hands. This would fit right in on any conservative website.

[Dragonfli]

85. Maybe, maybe not, but there is an FBI investigation (not a GOP organization by the way)

And a key person involved, that first pled the 5th, then was granted immunity for his testimony.

Something was done to warrant an FBI investigation, or do you, as you appear to, believe that the FBI is part of "the great right wing conspiracy"?

Why do you even care that it is obvious something illegal was done serious enough to warrant an FBI investigation?

Guilty or not, people like her are indeed now above the law along with all her close friends in the banking community that laundered money for drug cartels, and committed acts of fraud (yes fraud is still illegal to those of us not above the law)