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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:42 PM Mar 2016

If Hillary isn't a liar, then she must have Alzheimer's Disease or dementia.

*** EDIT: I'm not trying to make light of these serious diseases. I am speculating on the health of a public official who wants the citizens to trust her with running this country. If she really can't remember something like this then she must have a physical ailment. Don't forget, we found out Reagan had Alzheimer's while still in office. It's serious and anyone suffering from this must not be POTUS. If she won't admit she is lying then she is pathological or she must have a physical disease such as Alzheimer's. What else could it be if she is not a pathological liar? And if she is a pathological liar she is also unfit for office. ***

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She says she doesn't know where Sanders was in '93 and '94 when she was trying to get "healthcare":

"I don't know where he was when I was trying to get healthcare in '93 and '94," Clinton said, according to New York Times reporter Amy Chozick.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272790-sanders-spokesperson-fires-back-at-clinton-for-healthcare[/div

But in 1993 she sent him a thank you note on a picture thanking him for his "commitment to real healthcare".




And he was standing behind her when she was giving a nationally televised speech about healthcare. Now, I'm certain the people standing behind her are purposely selected, especially if they are going to be shown on camera, and Bernie is there, right behind her:




So... if she is not lying about this, as her supporters keep trying to defend her against her lies as having misspoken, and it was something she was absolutely, without any doubt, aware of at the time, and considering this was one of her biggest pursuits and she is bringing it up now, I think the only other answer is she is suffering from Alzheimer's Disease or dementia.

How else can one explain away her not knowing where he was on healthcare in 93 and 94 when it is so obviously clear that she did know, at least back then. So if she is being honest then she is having some major memory loss, the type of which can be attributed to a serious disease.

If Hillary Clinton is suffering from Alzheimer's or dementia she is absolutely unfit for office and must bow out of the primary race immediately.

If Hillary Clinton is not suffering from Alzheimer's or dementia then she is absolutely lying yet again for political expediency and trying to trick the voters into allowing her to achieve her ruthless pursuit of the White House.

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If Hillary isn't a liar, then she must have Alzheimer's Disease or dementia. (Original Post) cui bono Mar 2016 OP
Exactly. peacebird Mar 2016 #1
Absolutely delusional SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #57
attack the messenger? it's a serious concern roguevalley Mar 2016 #63
Can't wait for the HRC apologists on this one Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #2
I'm certainly no Hillary apologist Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #13
Damn Cal, I'm not comfortable with it either. And no one on DU would EVER say I was a Clinton ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #19
The thing is my mom died of it and she never knew she was forgetting things. LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #52
It is one of the toughest things I have dealt with with my Old Papa. Also one of the struggles I'm.. ebayfool Mar 2016 #70
She can shoot it down in flames by clearly stating that she does and did in fact remember brewens Mar 2016 #54
Your choice. I choose to believe she a garden variety liar. Whether she can choose to shoot it down ebayfool Mar 2016 #71
I don't see it as a political tool; it is a legitimate concern Voice for Peace Mar 2016 #80
Okay. I still don't think people truly believe she has Alzheimers, so that makes it an unworthy ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #84
No, I was referring to her claim Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #26
I though Mitt was a liar but she really takes the cake. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #3
Hillary lies her ass off LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #78
It's definitely beyond the pale of anything I could ever support. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #94
Yowzah! JonathanRackham Mar 2016 #4
This campaign is like an advent calendar noamnety Mar 2016 #5
They just can't keep it straight any more. grasswire Mar 2016 #6
I have been thinking the same thing. When she "misspeaks" over and over again, it is concerning. jillan Mar 2016 #7
Right. The Nancy Reagan comment was bad too. But this, this is from her very personal fight cui bono Mar 2016 #11
Oh please don't go there Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #8
Go where? She's welcome to admit she lied. As are her supporters. n/t cui bono Mar 2016 #12
See my post #13 above Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #14
I added a note to the beginning. I hope this helps. n/t cui bono Mar 2016 #23
Can you offer another explaination besides being a chronic liar for personal gain? bvar22 Mar 2016 #28
I think chronic liar for personal gain, fits. Huge ego and hates to lose. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #64
Could it be CTE MissDeeds Mar 2016 #72
Why? Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #86
Certain medications will cause memory problems too ........ possibly polly7 Mar 2016 #9
My mother died from Alzheimer's 15 years ago. bvar22 Mar 2016 #31
I'm very sorry about your mom. polly7 Mar 2016 #40
Thanks for your kind words. bvar22 Mar 2016 #49
You're right about that. polly7 Mar 2016 #56
The Nancy Reagan comments were especially odd. Hardly the kind of GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #46
this is in her family. her mama died of the horrible disease roguevalley Mar 2016 #65
Paging Dr. Carson... Paging Dr. Ben Carson.... PonyUp Mar 2016 #10
There's nothing wrong with Hillary bigwillq Mar 2016 #15
What happened to Hillary? I can think of a few million thing$... beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #16
damn you're fast! restorefreedom Mar 2016 #24
Colbert explained it, not lies but rather truthiness Fumesucker Mar 2016 #17
That, combined with what Huma Abedin said, and operating in an echo chamber, could explain it well Babel_17 Mar 2016 #21
Just keep talking Hillary Lorien Mar 2016 #18
I doubt she has dementia (but I am no expert so...) but 3/4 of the population think she is a liar Dragonfli Mar 2016 #20
The Spinner doesn't even know what the hell she's talking about SoapBox Mar 2016 #22
It is a legitimate concern. It happened to us with Reagan. silvershadow Mar 2016 #25
It is a kindness to suggest she might have medical issues. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #27
She's overcompensating loyalsister Mar 2016 #29
Interesting observations Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #68
The truth is Sanders was pushing his own plan, not Clinton's. Maybe if he had gotten Hoyt Mar 2016 #30
your assumptions are noted roguevalley Mar 2016 #67
He was behind her. Literally. cui bono Mar 2016 #91
Unfit to serve MrJefe Mar 2016 #32
Tuzla Revisited? rocktivity Mar 2016 #33
Me, too. madamesilverspurs Mar 2016 #34
Did you indigoth Mar 2016 #41
It's hardly the same situation. cui bono Mar 2016 #43
Actually, madamesilverspurs Mar 2016 #51
"But have it your way, if it makes you feel better." cui bono Mar 2016 #53
... madamesilverspurs Mar 2016 #60
oh please... dana_b Mar 2016 #47
Those pesky videos and newspaper articles from the past Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #35
I won't R since I'm a dementia (FTD) patient Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #36
I'm truly sorry if this offends you Steve. cui bono Mar 2016 #45
It does not Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #48
Okay, I'm glad about that! cui bono Mar 2016 #50
OH! EM! GEE!!!! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #37
Yet another LIE gone horribly wrong! PatrickforO Mar 2016 #38
Strangely absent Plucketeer Mar 2016 #39
a real and serious lack of integrity Jemmons Mar 2016 #42
So this guys not feeling well and has had some memory issues and goes to see his brewens Mar 2016 #44
Replying as a grieving brother-- JohnnyLib2 Mar 2016 #55
I wouldn't suggest those conditions but elleng Mar 2016 #58
She's lying. It's just that she exists in a bubble Scootaloo Mar 2016 #59
She's a known liar. Deadshot Mar 2016 #61
Or perhaps both. RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #62
Wow. Good work. zentrum Mar 2016 #66
She can make up all the shit she wants, revise history whenever she wants, tell all the TwilightGardener Mar 2016 #69
Lies are dreams caught red-handed Beringia Mar 2016 #73
The calculation here zentrum Mar 2016 #74
bullshit treestar Mar 2016 #75
You act as if she wouldn't have researched her opponent and any interactions she might have had TwilightGardener Mar 2016 #76
Um, no. We're talking about FLOTUS' biggest project/agenda here, not just anyone's life. cui bono Mar 2016 #87
She has all the symptoms of Affluenza. (nt) noamnety Mar 2016 #77
You lost me at If Hillary is not a liar. Kokonoe Mar 2016 #79
My husband has Dementia. Has had it for at least 8 years now. A very slow process. They bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #81
Thank you for your post. It really is an odd move to lie about something when those pics have been cui bono Mar 2016 #88
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #82
I hinted at the same thing, here: demwing Mar 2016 #83
I say liar. The only thing she's having trouble remembering dflprincess Mar 2016 #85
She is a pathological liar Fearless Mar 2016 #89
I can't help but think she's suffering the effects of Traumatic Brain Injury or TBI. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #90
and the Repubicans thank you for your support whistler162 Mar 2016 #92
K&R for exposure. And for truth. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #93

SCantiGOP

(13,866 posts)
57. Absolutely delusional
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:51 PM
Mar 2016

Or is narcissistic the better word?

"How to Influence People and Make Friends": a book the OP obviously has never read.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
63. attack the messenger? it's a serious concern
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:20 PM
Mar 2016

We are being asked to trust our lives to her. She is obliged to answer especially given her medical history

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
13. I'm certainly no Hillary apologist
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:58 PM
Mar 2016

but I have been a caregiver for a loved one with dementia, and I currently have a parent in late stages of Alzheimers.

This OP makes me uncomfortable, to say the least. And I'm not that sensitive.

I'm not going to say any more about it except that if you're trying to imply that anyone with a bad reaction to that subject line must be a Hillary apologist you are sorely mistaken.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
19. Damn Cal, I'm not comfortable with it either. And no one on DU would EVER say I was a Clinton ...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:08 PM
Mar 2016

supporter. But caring for someone with Alzheimer's makes you aware this is no light subject to be used for fodder for political points.

I'm perfectly fine with saying she's lying and distorting Sander's history with health care reform cuz she is and does.

But man, this leaves a really bad after taste.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
52. The thing is my mom died of it and she never knew she was forgetting things.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

I am now worried about it myself as I am forgetting things that I know I shouldn't be at 68.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
70. It is one of the toughest things I have dealt with with my Old Papa. Also one of the struggles I'm..
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

most happy and grateful to have traveled with him. We did get almost a year of chocolate cake, westerns in the afternoon, and writing down family history that would have been lost forever while he lived in my living room (2 story duplex, so hospital bed smack in the middle of all the family activity - he loved it!). I'm glad to have been able to be by as his side, so he did not have to face it alone or with strangers. My dad and uncle had put him in a home. I took him out and made my home, our home.

He wasn't aware of the lapse in memory either, most of the time. But some times he was, and it scared him and broke his heart.

I take heart in what I've read that late onset is only slightly elevating the risk of family members also getting the disease. And if I'm ill-advised in that info - I don't want to know. I always take each day as a gift, and try to enjoy it fully. If nothing else, I learned that from my Old Papa (grandfather).

And I was notorious for forgetting stuff at 20 so imma going with that excuse!



Alzheimer's is nothing to use to make political hay. Not when there is soooo much else to use.


brewens

(13,547 posts)
54. She can shoot it down in flames by clearly stating that she does and did in fact remember
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie being a supporter of her health care efforts and apologizing for lying about it. Otherwise, it is perfectly reasonable for us to suspect memory issues that may in fact be health related.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
71. Your choice. I choose to believe she a garden variety liar. Whether she can choose to shoot it down
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:33 PM
Mar 2016

in flames or not is not the point I'm making. Certainly she can. But I stand by what I said. I don't feel comfortable with the using of Alzheimer's as a tool to make political points.

YMMV, of course.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
84. Okay. I still don't think people truly believe she has Alzheimers, so that makes it an unworthy ...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:35 PM
Mar 2016

tactic in my view. But I also acknowledge that others hold different opinions. And we all got to express them, that's the beauty of DUers. Sooo ... how 'bout them Red Sox?

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
26. No, I was referring to her claim
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

about Sanders which I see as disingenuous behavior.

Upon reflection of the original comment, I can see that it is inappropriate and apologize for making you uncomfortable with my question.

onecaliberal

(32,786 posts)
3. I though Mitt was a liar but she really takes the cake.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

Epic fat liar. Who voted for this kind of person to be POTUS? There is NO. FUCKING. WAY

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
5. This campaign is like an advent calendar
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:47 PM
Mar 2016

except that each day, instead of opening a flap and finding a chocolate or a small toy, we get a new lie.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
7. I have been thinking the same thing. When she "misspeaks" over and over again, it is concerning.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:48 PM
Mar 2016

The first time, I didn't think anything of it.

But between her comments on this & on Nancy Reagan, I too have started to wonder.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
11. Right. The Nancy Reagan comment was bad too. But this, this is from her very personal fight
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:51 PM
Mar 2016

for healthcare. How do you "forget" this or "misspeak" on this? She has to admit she lied or allow the voters to find out if she might be suffering from a disease that makes her unfit for office.

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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
14. See my post #13 above
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:59 PM
Mar 2016

and then I'm out of here. If you want to talk to me about it feel free to PM but I'm hiding this thread now because I don't even want to look at it.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
28. Can you offer another explaination besides being a chronic liar for personal gain?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016

There is only one other option.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,129 posts)
64. I think chronic liar for personal gain, fits. Huge ego and hates to lose.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

Think that plays a part also.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
72. Could it be CTE
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

from the concussion she sustained several years ago when she fainted during a reported bout with the flu and fell and struck her head?

I don't know. It seems that her issues with telling the truth go back further than that.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
9. Certain medications will cause memory problems too ........ possibly
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:48 PM
Mar 2016

combined with lack of sleep, anxiety - there could be a number of other reasons. I would hate to think such a young woman is suffering from Alzheimer's or dementia, though anything is possible - for anyone. Maybe she is knowingly 'misstating' the facts. For her own physical health, I hope so. For hundreds of millions of others, that's frightening.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
31. My mother died from Alzheimer's 15 years ago.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016

She began showing early symptoms at age 60...such as memory loss and confusion.
This was a razor sharp career high school math teacher, and a mother who forgot nothing...ever, before the onset of Alzheimers.

I am now over 60, and whenever I have a "Senior Moment" it scares me.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
40. I'm very sorry about your mom.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

It's so sad when it happens to someone so young. I've worked with many residents and pts. in nursing homes and know what a horrible disease it is, and how difficult to watch someone in your own family deteriorate so drastically. I had an aunt I was very close to who also developed symptoms of EOD in her late 50's, so I know it does happen. I just hate to hear of it, and wanted to point out that there are other causes for errors in memory.

Your mom sounds like she was a fantastic person - she certainly passed down her intelligence.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
49. Thanks for your kind words.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:37 PM
Mar 2016

One of the prevalent misconceptions about Alzheimer's is that one has to be "old" to get it.
That said, I don't believe Hillary has Alzheimers.
She has been a chronic liar for a long time.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
56. You're right about that.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:51 PM
Mar 2016

and I tend to agree with you on Hillary after reading so much of her life in politics here. Some people do it so often they don't even realize how bad they are at it. What amazes me is that her campaign advisers don't try harder to make her see how easy it is for people to check, especially the young people just getting so interested in politics - they're crazy good researchers.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
46. The Nancy Reagan comments were especially odd. Hardly the kind of
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:31 PM
Mar 2016

thing one would make up for political gain.

I'm thinking back now to 2012 and wondering. Hoping she is just tired.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
15. There's nothing wrong with Hillary
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:59 PM
Mar 2016

No illness, no mental disease, nothing.

She is just a typical politician that will say or do anything to get a vote. I'm tired of those politicians. The country can, and should, do better.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. What happened to Hillary? I can think of a few million thing$...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:00 PM
Mar 2016
Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Democratic Debate 2015: Hillary Clinton’s ‘Enemies’ In Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries Have Supported Her Campaigns, Foundation

In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as “Pharmaceuticals /Health Products.” The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.

On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.


Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundation’s website.

That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
21. That, combined with what Huma Abedin said, and operating in an echo chamber, could explain it well
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:22 PM
Mar 2016
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/260284-clinton-often-confused-staffer-says-in-revealed-email

In a campaign you have to speak first, ask questions later. So, if her staff is just high-fiving her on how great her ideas are, nonsense will slip out.

Lack of sleep, as it pertains to everyone, will compound the situation.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
20. I doubt she has dementia (but I am no expert so...) but 3/4 of the population think she is a liar
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:10 PM
Mar 2016

Given the above, and several dozen other untruths (now euphemistically called "misspeaking&quot I have personally caught her in.
My opinion is she has earned the negative honesty numbers she has received, and she simply lied, yet again, likely a new lie will emerge next time she opens her mouth, as these untruths happen rather often and on a regular basis.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
22. The Spinner doesn't even know what the hell she's talking about
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

because of all the lies she throws out.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
25. It is a legitimate concern. It happened to us with Reagan.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:42 PM
Mar 2016

10-1 says it's just flip-flopping gone wild.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
27. It is a kindness to suggest she might have medical issues.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:49 PM
Mar 2016

But, I think she is just a run of the mill pathological liar.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
29. She's overcompensating
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:52 PM
Mar 2016

As more of her past and lingering mistakes are coming out she's trying to recapture a more flattering narrative.

I think she felt threatened by the idea that being first lady wasn't such a big deal and made up the story about being under fire.

She was a little worried about the money and privilege issue, so talked about being "dead broke" when they left the white house.

Now, she wants to make her years as first lady doing good works into a more flattering picture. If she suggests that ALL first ladies play a significant role, the expectation is that that image will transfer to her.

She is just a terrible politician who underestimates the sophistication of the electorate and she overestimates the potential of her narrative to connect with people. She started out going for trying to impress people into voting for her, she was able to connect with some voters in the south where Bill already had connections.

Her "experience" is being found out to have been actions that have done a lot of damage to a lot of people. Now she wants to redirect the narrative, and she just can't.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
30. The truth is Sanders was pushing his own plan, not Clinton's. Maybe if he had gotten
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:54 PM
Mar 2016

behind her planning at the time, we'd be better off now.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
91. He was behind her. Literally.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:26 AM
Mar 2016


And in other ways:




I know reading is hard, but come on... this was laid out in pictures.

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MrJefe

(7 posts)
32. Unfit to serve
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

At this point, she is clearly unfit to serve. Either she is so fundamentally dishonest she does not belong in public service in any capacity, or she is experiencing profound mental health problems, and needs medical help before she deteriorates further.

Either way she is completely unfit to serve.

madamesilverspurs

(15,799 posts)
34. Me, too.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

A few years back I attended an event focusing on local hunger issues, participating as one of several organizers and speakers. Recently a friend shared some pics he'd taken, including a photo he’d taken of that event that showed a rather prominent person standing beside me as I spoke. To this day I have no memory of his being in attendance. Apparently I, too, am either a liar or suffer from Alzheimer's.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
43. It's hardly the same situation.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:28 PM
Mar 2016

We're talking about someone who was FLOTUS giving a nationally televised speech. They don't put just anyone behind FLOTUS in this situation. These are carefully planned and orchestrated events. I'm certain she had a hand in who stood behind her.

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madamesilverspurs

(15,799 posts)
51. Actually,
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:43 PM
Mar 2016

seeing as how I was one of the organizers involved in the planning, etc., I can say that yes, the thing was "carefully planned and orchestrated", even though it was not televised or of national interest. Oddly, I can clearly remember some events from when I was eighteen months old. Apparently I'm not in charge of what memories stick, and I understand that most humans are similarly wired.

But have it your way, if it makes you feel better.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
53. "But have it your way, if it makes you feel better."
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:45 PM
Mar 2016

Right back atcha. Because I'm sure your event was just like FLOTUS speaking to the nation. mmkay.

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madamesilverspurs

(15,799 posts)
60. ...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

My point being that her position doesn't make her immune to the foibles that pester the rest of us, just as my non-public position doesn't make me more prone to them. Just as I expect my doctors to have a certain expertise when it comes to the exercise of their profession but don't consider them flawed when they need to consult my records in order to make the best decision, I don't expect any candidate to be super-human. I guess I'm just willing to cut somebody some slack for imperfections that we all share. That said, if Clinton OR Sanders starts acting like Trump or Rubio or Cruz, all bets are off.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
47. oh please...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

did you WORK with that person on a project? Did you specifically call out that person's name to thank them for something?? No?
Then your situation is nothing like hers.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
35. Those pesky videos and newspaper articles from the past
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

she assumes people have short memories or weren't born then.

Omaha Steve

(99,506 posts)
36. I won't R since I'm a dementia (FTD) patient
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:12 PM
Mar 2016

She did have a brain blood clot. We have not had a physical report. I believe we got a doctors note. A lot of DUers were upset when Sarah did that!

OS

It Is What It Is It Is What It Is - Frontotemporal Degeneration: Tragic Loss, Abiding Hope

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
45. I'm truly sorry if this offends you Steve.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:31 PM
Mar 2016

I do feel it's a real concern if she keeps claiming she's not lying. If she really is not lying, then what else can it be? It was found out that Reagan had Alzheimer's while he was still in office and I don't think anyone believes it would be okay for POTUS to have such an ailment. She's most likely simply a pathological liar, in which case she is still unfit for office.

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Jemmons

(711 posts)
42. a real and serious lack of integrity
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

If you want to do something for the nation on a big scale, you can
a) adapt your views to whatever lets you have some chance of gaining power
or
b) stick to your guns and patiently wait until the majority view catches up with your vision for the country.

I would tend to think that adapting your personal views in order to accelerate a political career will screw up your inner belief systems to a degree that is non-trivial. Stating something that isn't true, something that is in fact opposite to the real facts, but which would be expedient to your political career or at least vaguely supportive could be a consequence of a lifestyle where cutting ties to inconvenient beliefs is normal.


It was suggested that this kind of "misspeaking" could be explained by lack of sleep, exhaustion or the like. But when people lose self control from exhaustion or lack of sleep, they will do what comes naturally either by habit or by instinct. This is why this kind of lies are quite revealing.

In this light "misspeaking" is not a sign of physiological disease, but of a real and serious lack of integrity.

brewens

(13,547 posts)
44. So this guys not feeling well and has had some memory issues and goes to see his
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:28 PM
Mar 2016

doctor. His doctor orders some tests and the guy goes through that.

The guy goes into get his test results and ends up waiting for a short time in an exam room. His doctor comes in and immediately tells him, "I've got some bad news. You have cancer, and you have Alzheimer's". This sinks in for a few seconds and the guy says, "well at least I don't have cancer!"

JohnnyLib2

(11,211 posts)
55. Replying as a grieving brother--
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:51 PM
Mar 2016

I see and appreciate your edit, but bringing up Alzheimer's in this context truly is painful to behold. Maybe we could just stick to run of the mill negative attacks for awhile; there is no shortage.

RIP: ECH, a good woman and loving sister

elleng

(130,767 posts)
58. I wouldn't suggest those conditions but
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:52 PM
Mar 2016

it seems either that her memory isn't what's desirable in a President or she's getting and accepting bad advice from advisers.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
59. She's lying. It's just that she exists in a bubble
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:00 PM
Mar 2016

She can't even conceive that she would ever be called on her lies. She lives in a world where everything she says is fawned over,m applauded, and hailed as a masterful stroke of genius. She surrounds herself with ass-patters and yes-men, and honestly, desperately believes that any criticism of her is just a "right-wing smear" - even when it's the left pointing out actual facts.

it's not a specifically Hillary problem. pretty much everyone who becomes so isolated within their own private universe ends up this way. You see it in quite a number of celebrities and the extremely wealthy.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
62. Or perhaps both.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

I know that Bernie was asked for a medical report, which he produced.
Has the same been asked of Clinton, especially since she suffered those concussions while Secretary of State?
If she has them, will she release them, or require that everyone else on both parties release them before she does?

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
69. She can make up all the shit she wants, revise history whenever she wants, tell all the
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

fictional stories she wants--it's what the Clintons do, and it doesn't hurt them very much. Hillary fans and supporters love Clintonian lies and dishonesty, they see it as a sign of her ruthless determination to WIN. Kind of how Trump fans see his constant lies and shifts in positions as the sign of a fighter and winner.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
74. The calculation here
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:38 PM
Mar 2016

….is that though some will know she's lying, there's a sizable mainstream that will never hear this correction. They're either not wired, or too busy with life stresses, or the media they get will never tell them. The MSM will give her the headline and that will be the end of it.

She knows you can fool some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time.

She's desperate to undo his stronger stand on healthcare so what else has she got but this calculation? Throw everything and some of it will stick, she figures.

Maddow has no business being a priori in HRC's pocket. This is her kind of story. Used to be.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
75. bullshit
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:23 PM
Mar 2016

I don't remember every single person I dealt with in the early 90s. You remember the people who were the most in your life, not every single goddam person anywhere. This is stupid. It's 2016. Who makes the best President now is the issue. And there are millions of letters thinking people, etc.

Only people obsessed with Bernie don't realize there were a lot more people involved.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
76. You act as if she wouldn't have researched her opponent and any interactions she might have had
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

with him in the past. The files on every position, every appearance, every vote, every speech that Bernie's ever had or made probably take up multiple laptops that are always on hand at ClintonCorp. And if that's not the case, then they're slipping badly. So yeah, this is the spaghetti/wall phase of the campaign--doesn't have to be true, just has to stick.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
87. Um, no. We're talking about FLOTUS' biggest project/agenda here, not just anyone's life.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:56 AM
Mar 2016

We have two pieces of evidence that shows she wasn't telling the truth about not knowing where Bernie was in 93 and 94 regarding healthcare.

One is FLOTUS giving a nationally televised speech. They don't put just anyone behind FLOTUS in this situation. These are carefully planned and orchestrated events. I'm certain she had a hand in who stood behind her. And lo and behold, one in the most prominent positions behind her was Bernie. This means she wanted him to be seen behind her.

Second is the hand written thank you note on the picture. That was a strongly worded thank you about his commitment to healthcare. She cannot possibly have just forgotten he was around helping her with this. Impossible.

So you don't think she's lying, then let's see her medical records and have her undergo some tests. If she doesn't have one of these diseases then she is a pathological liar and is still unfit for office.

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Kokonoe

(2,485 posts)
79. You lost me at If Hillary is not a liar.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:50 PM
Mar 2016

To be fair Hillary is very smooth.
The latest lie is an old moldy from Bush. Those pictures were out months ago, and Hillary has just changed the subject from a possible GLBT brouhaha, to gaslighting her effort for a universal health insurance company in the 90's with a single stroke.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
81. My husband has Dementia. Has had it for at least 8 years now. A very slow process. They
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

do not succumb to it, but usually a urinary tract infection or pneumonia etc. I thought myself today, I wonder if Hillary is starting to forget because of the two in your face lies (or?). The issue of the note was brought up before and all over FB some months ago. It seems strange to me that she would out and out lie about these things with so much proof. And I would think her team would tell her not to say it because of the pictures and proof. I think it is something that might cross people's minds. I do not think there is disrespect in the concern. If not a medical issue (that head bleed problem could have caused problems also and no medical records released just a dr's. note right?) then she is a horrific in your face liar. My husband is still high functioning but his reasoning is off. He wants to go back to college hundreds of miles away at 81 and the college is not there anymore. He was trying to leave last week and I had to defuse the situation by talking to him for one hour on the phone. He is in a memory center. Did I feel concern about the OP's comment, no, because the same thought crossed my mind today. It's one or the other. A medical issue or out and out lying and not thinking she would get caught.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
88. Thank you for your post. It really is an odd move to lie about something when those pics have been
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:00 AM
Mar 2016

circulating so recently. Wasn't it another lie about Bernie and healthcare that caused people to post that pic with her thank you note?

She won't release her medical records, why not? Why just a doctor's note? Wasn't it her campaign that asked for Bernie's medical records? Something is off.

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Response to cui bono (Original post)

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
83. I hinted at the same thing, here:
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016
Maybe she really doesn't remember
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511477864#post12

but you came out with both guns blazing

My dad has Alzheimer's. He knows me when we talk online, but not in person. It's a very serious condition, and not for political play.

That said, what are we to believe? She's either telling blatant, easy to debunk lies (and that would be horrible of her), or she's impaired (and that would be horrible for her). In either case, we can't ask her to be president. It's not in her interest, nor the public's.

dflprincess

(28,072 posts)
85. I say liar. The only thing she's having trouble remembering
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:44 PM
Mar 2016

is how easy the internet makes it to find past comments. Many politicians seem to have this problem.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
90. I can't help but think she's suffering the effects of Traumatic Brain Injury or TBI.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:37 AM
Mar 2016

A concussion for any senior citizen is a major league industrial strength worry for neurologists. Effects can be immediate, or delayed.

I think it's time for a brain scan and the results should be made public ASAP.

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