2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders: Big ideas but little impact on Capitol Hill.
Maybe Elizabeth Warren should have run for president. Excerpts:
Sanders and Clinton both repeatedly turned to his Senate record at the Democratic debate in Miami Wednesday night. Clinton hit him for voting against the TARP II bailout, arguing that if everyone had voted as he voted, we would not have saved the auto industry, and attacked him for voting against the 2007 immigration reform bill.
"Madam Secretary, I will match my record against yours any day of the week," Sanders responded, in one of the many moments he brought up his Senate work.
I have been criticized a lot for thinking big, for believing we can do great things as a nation, Sanders said.
Rarely has that thinking translated into actual legislation or left a significant imprint on it, according to Democratic members and their staffers who have worked with him.
Several top Democrats say the difference is a complete contrast to another progressive, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), whom they say has had a much clearer impact on the financial and inequality discussions in the only three years she's been in the Senate.
She has been more effective at blocking efforts to weaken the bill. His mindset is that there'll be a revolution, said Rep. Barney Frank, adding that he also doesn't remember Sanders being involved in any of the affordable housing work he did in the House. He plants his flag and expects that someday everyone will see he was right.
Liberal Wisconsin Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin, a Hillary Clinton supporter who describes herself as a big Sanders fan, struggled when asked ahead of last month's debate in Milwaukee if she could point to examples of the Vermont senators actually influencing the outcome of legislation, other than the much praised bipartisan Veterans Affairs reform he led as chair of that committee in the Senate.
Um, she said, pausing for a full eight seconds while thinking, I'm sure I could. In terms of the things that he talks the most about, is when he was chair of the Veterans Affairs committee. But he actually compromised on a whole heck of a lot. Back in It's not coming to my mind right now.
Frank, the former chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, offered an unblinking assessment.
"His legislative record was to state the ideological position he took on the left, but with the exception of a few small things, he never got anything done," said Frank, who has endorsed Clinton. Senators are not impotent."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernies-record-220508#ixzz42jT9AvnM
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is feeling the Bern since the presumed candidates, Bush vs. Clinton have been dashed upon the rocks.
Bush dropped out, Clinton is nowhere near inevitable, and flailing around.
Capitol Hill is frightened as can be that if a couple of candidates can break away from the mold, other candidates can do it too!
That fright delights me.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,767 posts)http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/02/19/heres-a-long-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/
Bernie's a good egg. Don't let your anger/dislike for some of his supporters (which I totally get), cloud your judgement or respect for a man who has been a wonderful asset for Democratic legislation and causes.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)...if Bernie brings out down ticket votes and the Senate and House return to democratic majorities, he can get A LOT done.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Perhaps in the Senate, but the Republicans have a 58-seat majority in the House. The margin is historic. Many if not most Congressional historians believe that it will take up to a generation for the Dems to regain the House majority.
I think Bernie knows that.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)I guess that all Democrats running for a seat should just give up because it will be hard to win seats back...
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Ask most Congressional historians if an old Jewish Senator from Vermont, who started out 97% behind in the polls, opposing the best funded, best known, almost universally endorsed candidate in modern times could possibly accomplish what Sanders has.
Can't be, right? We all know that. Still, it's happening. Go figure.
If Sanders can hold the movement together and MoveOn (and others) can organize in a national effort then all those reps can be primaried. If a handful can be driven out of office, the rest will fall in line. So, maybe Sanders knows more than you think.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And that's a lot of ifs. I see a lot of youthful enthusiasm behind Bernie but not a lot of voting. Hillary's votes exceed Bernie's by over one million. So a far cry from a Revolution so far.
We could win the Senate, but not the House. Gain a few seats maybe.
Bernie's record in Congress does not portray him as the kind of guy to lead Congress in passing his platform or in primarying scores of Republican Congressmen.
He is an advocate and he's brilliant at it. But a national leader? Don't see it.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)he is inconsequential. that's what I take away from this.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.
Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as Pharmaceuticals /Health Products. The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.
On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.
In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.
Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundations website.
That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)He is not so great at actually doing the hard work to get things done in Congress.
That's his rep. Nothing wrong with that except in a president.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What kind of experience does Bernie Sanders have? Let's take a look.
By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet
October 17, 2015
Once Sanders made it to the Senate in 2006, his ability to use amendments to advance a progressive agenda was empowered. Here are some of the amendments he passed in the Senate:
Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.
Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.
Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.
Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.
Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.
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Using the Power of a Senator
While Sanders was an amendment king who was able to bring bipartisan coalitions together to make serious changes to laws, he also knew how to be a thorn in the side of the establishment until it offered up something in return. Sanders was able to get the first-ever audit of funds given out by the Federal Reserve, which made transparent over $2 trillion of funds handed out by the secretive organization. This was a cause that Republican congressman Ron Paul (TX) had been pursuing for decades, but Sanders was able to get the votes to do it by forging a compromise that required an audit for the bailout period alone.
When the Affordable Care Act was in danger of not having the votes to pass, Sanders used his leverage to win enough funding for free health treatment for 10 million Americans through Community Health Centers. This gutsy moveholding out until the funds were put into the billhas even Republican members of Congress requesting the funds, which have helped millions of Americans who otherwise would not have access.
Another moment came when Sanders, who was then chair of the Veterans committee, worked with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), to overhaul the Veterans Administration. McCain praised Sanders' work on the bill in an interview with National Journal. Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) even went so far as to say the bill would never have passed without Sanders' ability to bring the parties to a deal.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
What did Hillary do, I mean besides help get us into the Iraq war?
jillan
(39,451 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)25 years. What else?
I keep coming back to why only 6 members of Congress have endorsed him. All of the other Dems can't all be corrupt types, can they? A goodly number have worked with him or at least seen him in action. I'd wager that they know something about Bernie that the everyday voter does not. My guess - he's a great advocate, but he is not someone who will champion his platform through Congress.
They like Bernie, they admire his commitment to his causes, but there isn't enough respect there to follow him. He hasn't shown enough for them to follow him.
davsand
(13,421 posts)I'm tired of the same old bullshit excuses. MAYBE, just maybe, it is time to get off your (collective) tired ass and work to elect some new blood that actually IS willing to work to fix the mess we have now. Apathy is not an excuse to settle for revisionist versions of history and a bunch of political chicanery.
That dawg ain't gonna hunt.
Laura
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Repubs have a 58 seat majority. That's historic.
Lucky Luciano
(11,253 posts)Several orders of magnitude more.