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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:07 PM Mar 2016

Sanders: Big ideas but little impact on Capitol Hill.

Maybe Elizabeth Warren should have run for president. Excerpts:

At the heart of Bernie Sanders’ campaign is a promise to bring about sweeping change. But on some of the top issues at the center of Sanders' presidential bid -- health care, taking on the big banks and corporations, fighting for rights, raising attention to income inequality -- the revolution has been slow in the 25 years he's spent in Congress.

Sanders and Clinton both repeatedly turned to his Senate record at the Democratic debate in Miami Wednesday night. Clinton hit him for voting against the TARP II bailout, arguing that “if everyone had voted as he voted, we would not have saved the auto industry,” and attacked him for voting against the 2007 immigration reform bill.

"Madam Secretary, I will match my record against yours any day of the week," Sanders responded, in one of the many moments he brought up his Senate work.

“I have been criticized a lot for thinking big, for believing we can do great things as a nation,” Sanders said.

Rarely has that thinking translated into actual legislation or left a significant imprint on it, according to Democratic members and their staffers who have worked with him.

Several top Democrats say the difference is a complete contrast to another progressive, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), whom they say has had a much clearer impact on the financial and inequality discussions in the only three years she's been in the Senate.

“She has been more effective at blocking efforts to weaken the bill. His mindset is that there'll be a revolution,” said Rep. Barney Frank, adding that he also doesn't remember Sanders being involved in any of the affordable housing work he did in the House. “He plants his flag and expects that someday everyone will see he was right.”

Liberal Wisconsin Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin, a Hillary Clinton supporter who describes herself as a big Sanders fan, struggled when asked ahead of last month's debate in Milwaukee if she could point to examples of the Vermont senator’s actually influencing the outcome of legislation, other than the much praised bipartisan Veterans Affairs reform he led as chair of that committee in the Senate.
“Um,” she said, pausing for a full eight seconds while thinking, “I'm sure I could. In terms of the things that he talks the most about, is when he was chair of the Veterans Affairs committee. But he actually compromised on a whole heck of a lot. Back in…It's not coming to my mind right now.”

Frank, the former chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, offered an unblinking assessment.
"His legislative record was to state the ideological position he took on the left, but with the exception of a few small things, he never got anything done," said Frank, who has endorsed Clinton. “Senators are not impotent."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernies-record-220508#ixzz42jT9AvnM
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Sanders: Big ideas but little impact on Capitol Hill. (Original Post) kstewart33 Mar 2016 OP
I'm pretty certain that Capitol Hill Aerows Mar 2016 #1
Eye opening. Thanks for posting! kennetha Mar 2016 #2
Here’s A Long List Of Bernie Sanders’ Accomplishments (with citations) MerryBlooms Mar 2016 #3
Well... Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #4
Not going to happen. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #8
In that case... Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #12
Biggest mistake ever: if this goes on... mikehiggins Mar 2016 #16
He hasn't won yet, Mike. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #18
If unicorns ate coal, they could fart diamonds. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #15
Bernie is so pure kennetha Mar 2016 #5
If by pure you mean he didn't sell out then yes, he is. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #6
Beam me, Bernie's great at the podium. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #10
If only that were true: "Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms... beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #11
Tell that to the Veterans who are supporting Bernie over Hillary. jillan Mar 2016 #7
For the vets, he's had a real impact. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #13
Well, with the ENTIRE House up for re-election, maybe we need to get new faces in. davsand Mar 2016 #9
Neither is your hopes of the Dems making real gains in the House. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #14
Bernie has considerably more political capital now than he has ever had. Lucky Luciano Mar 2016 #17
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
1. I'm pretty certain that Capitol Hill
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:10 PM
Mar 2016

is feeling the Bern since the presumed candidates, Bush vs. Clinton have been dashed upon the rocks.

Bush dropped out, Clinton is nowhere near inevitable, and flailing around.

Capitol Hill is frightened as can be that if a couple of candidates can break away from the mold, other candidates can do it too!

That fright delights me.

MerryBlooms

(11,767 posts)
3. Here’s A Long List Of Bernie Sanders’ Accomplishments (with citations)
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:16 PM
Mar 2016

He passed more amendments than any other member during his time in the House. It earned him the nickname “The Amendment King.” He did this despite being a “socialist” and Congress being controlled by Republicans from 1994 to 2006, in one of the most partisan right-wing Houses ever.



http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/02/19/heres-a-long-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/

Bernie's a good egg. Don't let your anger/dislike for some of his supporters (which I totally get), cloud your judgement or respect for a man who has been a wonderful asset for Democratic legislation and causes.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
4. Well...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:19 PM
Mar 2016

...if Bernie brings out down ticket votes and the Senate and House return to democratic majorities, he can get A LOT done.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
8. Not going to happen.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:33 PM
Mar 2016

Perhaps in the Senate, but the Republicans have a 58-seat majority in the House. The margin is historic. Many if not most Congressional historians believe that it will take up to a generation for the Dems to regain the House majority.

I think Bernie knows that.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
12. In that case...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016

I guess that all Democrats running for a seat should just give up because it will be hard to win seats back...

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
16. Biggest mistake ever: if this goes on...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:38 PM
Mar 2016

Ask most Congressional historians if an old Jewish Senator from Vermont, who started out 97% behind in the polls, opposing the best funded, best known, almost universally endorsed candidate in modern times could possibly accomplish what Sanders has.

Can't be, right? We all know that. Still, it's happening. Go figure.

If Sanders can hold the movement together and MoveOn (and others) can organize in a national effort then all those reps can be primaried. If a handful can be driven out of office, the rest will fall in line. So, maybe Sanders knows more than you think.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
18. He hasn't won yet, Mike.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:08 PM
Mar 2016

And that's a lot of ifs. I see a lot of youthful enthusiasm behind Bernie but not a lot of voting. Hillary's votes exceed Bernie's by over one million. So a far cry from a Revolution so far.

We could win the Senate, but not the House. Gain a few seats maybe.

Bernie's record in Congress does not portray him as the kind of guy to lead Congress in passing his platform or in primarying scores of Republican Congressmen.

He is an advocate and he's brilliant at it. But a national leader? Don't see it.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. If by pure you mean he didn't sell out then yes, he is.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:24 PM
Mar 2016
Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Democratic Debate 2015: Hillary Clinton’s ‘Enemies’ In Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries Have Supported Her Campaigns, Foundation

In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as “Pharmaceuticals /Health Products.” The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.

On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.


Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundation’s website.

That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance



kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
10. Beam me, Bernie's great at the podium.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:34 PM
Mar 2016

He is not so great at actually doing the hard work to get things done in Congress.

That's his rep. Nothing wrong with that except in a president.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
11. If only that were true: "Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016
Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You
What kind of experience does Bernie Sanders have? Let's take a look.
By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet
October 17, 2015

Once Sanders made it to the Senate in 2006, his ability to use amendments to advance a progressive agenda was empowered. Here are some of the amendments he passed in the Senate:

Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.

Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.

Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.

Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.

Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required “public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors” – an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.

...

Using the Power of a Senator

While Sanders was an amendment king who was able to bring bipartisan coalitions together to make serious changes to laws, he also knew how to be a thorn in the side of the establishment until it offered up something in return. Sanders was able to get the first-ever audit of funds given out by the Federal Reserve, which made transparent over $2 trillion of funds handed out by the secretive organization. This was a cause that Republican congressman Ron Paul (TX) had been pursuing for decades, but Sanders was able to get the votes to do it by forging a compromise that required an audit for the bailout period alone.

When the Affordable Care Act was in danger of not having the votes to pass, Sanders used his leverage to win enough funding for free health treatment for 10 million Americans through Community Health Centers. This gutsy move—holding out until the funds were put into the bill—has even Republican members of Congress requesting the funds, which have helped millions of Americans who otherwise would not have access.

Another moment came when Sanders, who was then chair of the Veterans committee, worked with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), to overhaul the Veterans Administration. McCain praised Sanders' work on the bill in an interview with National Journal. Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) even went so far as to say the bill would never have passed without Sanders' ability to bring the parties to a deal.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you


What did Hillary do, I mean besides help get us into the Iraq war?

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
13. For the vets, he's had a real impact.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:40 PM
Mar 2016

25 years. What else?

I keep coming back to why only 6 members of Congress have endorsed him. All of the other Dems can't all be corrupt types, can they? A goodly number have worked with him or at least seen him in action. I'd wager that they know something about Bernie that the everyday voter does not. My guess - he's a great advocate, but he is not someone who will champion his platform through Congress.

They like Bernie, they admire his commitment to his causes, but there isn't enough respect there to follow him. He hasn't shown enough for them to follow him.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
9. Well, with the ENTIRE House up for re-election, maybe we need to get new faces in.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:34 PM
Mar 2016

I'm tired of the same old bullshit excuses. MAYBE, just maybe, it is time to get off your (collective) tired ass and work to elect some new blood that actually IS willing to work to fix the mess we have now. Apathy is not an excuse to settle for revisionist versions of history and a bunch of political chicanery.

That dawg ain't gonna hunt.


Laura

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
14. Neither is your hopes of the Dems making real gains in the House.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:41 PM
Mar 2016

Repubs have a 58 seat majority. That's historic.

Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
17. Bernie has considerably more political capital now than he has ever had.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:41 PM
Mar 2016

Several orders of magnitude more.

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