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Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:14 PM

 

Dear Mrs Clinton: some well-meant advice from an irrevocably lost voter

Dear Mrs, Clinton,

in regards to your hagiography of Mrs Nancy Reagan, you flimsy twitter-pology, and your belated elaboration of excuses cited here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511481109

may I please point out to you why this is not quite going to cut it? Let me first point out a few talking points that irked a bit in their context, and then suggest what your next (and hopefully sincere) attempt at apologising should sound like.

Your elaboration sounded like a very cleaver speech-writer did his or her best to give everything the most positive, Hillary-centered spin. Unfortunately, there is nothing positive about any subject involving Nancy Reagan and AIDS. Furthermore: this is not about you. It's not even about your campaign. So that speech-writer of yours has served you ill, or you ignored his/her best advices. Only you can tell which.

To begin with: the me-too tone. "I lost friends too" - yeah but you still looked at gay people as inherently inferior to yourself until 2013, Hillary. "I lost friends too" gave you as much insight into the plight of the LGBT community as George W. Bush had when, as a Texas politician, he assured a gay assemblyman that "I have gay friends too, so this is nothing against you personally", and then did what he did best: marginalising our community.

No denouncing of the Reagan's role in the AIDS dialogue ("just let those queers die out", only the admission that "they don't deserve the distinction of having started the conversation". They were just a few of "MANY in power who turned a blind eye". Hey, anyone did it right? (Were you, Little Mrs Me-Too? If so, how about a full admission that you were wrong at the time, and explain what - belatedly - made you change your outdated views?)

We "continue a fight together" - by shifting attention away from the way the LGBT community was effected (which the Clintons did very little to help) to Sub-Saharan Africa (where there are way more infected heteros and way more homophobes, so of course the Clintons are helping).

"This issue matters to me deeply" - hence my praise for the bitch who wanted to let the gay cancer work its genocidal magic. It's a mistake any true ally of the LGBT community could have made, right? I'm sure Bernie made some mistake too. Please someone try to be hurt by something Bernie actually said!

"If not for those advocates, activists, and ordinary, heroic people, we would not be where we are in preventing and treating HIV and AIDS. Their courage — and their refusal to accept silence as the status quo — saved lives." - So please vote for me: the status quo candidate par excellence! Let me be silent while you do the talking and the work.

"Slowly, too slowly, ignorance was crowded out by information. People who had once closed their eyes opened their hearts." - Except for me me me, because I was busy pandering to Reagan Democrats or whatever those aging DINO homophobes are called these days.

"Silence = Death" - I know that, which is why I acted as a hagiographer for the woman who deadpanned the conversation AIDS victims were desperate to start.


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Mrs Clinton, if I may give you some well-meant advice:

This stupid and over-the-top hurtful offense of yours has ripped open all the old wounds. DOMA DADT, "marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman", the whole record of vile bile you have campaigned on until 2013.

Halfheartedly admitting that the Reagan's do not deserve the distinction of starting the conversation on AIDS is hardly going to cut it, nor the "I have gay friends too / lost someone too".

If you want to reassure the LGBT community, you must understand that reputations come by foot, leave by horse, and return on their knees.

What little reputation you had ( "she will get things done" sped away on a derby-winning stallion yesterday. (Or was it a unicorn? Anyway, it's miles over the horizon now, and still accelerating. Because all those old wounds were ripped open too, you see?

If you care to win back your reputation, instead of taking gay votes for granted or writing them off like the millennials, consider this:

Make a speech with the core message: "I was wrong. Now I know better."
Make a speech where you denounce DADT as utterly wrong. Say how you have learned better.
Make a speech where you denounce DOMA. Just say Bill was wrong to sign it and wrong to campaign on it. He threw the gays under the bus; you must throw him under the bus. Gently, if you want to, but you must denounce his 1996 actions. Then you must say how wrong you were to support him in those actions, and what made you see the error of your ways.
Move on to marriage equality. Say why you were wrong to denounce it as recently as 2010, tell us what was your moment of epiphany, or when the first doubts started emerging in your mind, or whatever the process was that reshaped you bigoted mind into something palatable to the modern voter. You can even weave in some great feel-good story about your joy in 2015 when the gays won th right to marry in all of the USA. I mean, according to your twitter account you were overjoyed, so it shouldn't be too difficult for you to remember how momentous that moment was for you personally?

Get that all into one speech. "I was wrong; now I know better."

And then say how dreadfully sorry you were for that offensive remark. Denounce the Reagans. I'm sorry, but you'll have to throw that ugly-hearted gay-hater Nancy under the bus too. Denounce her silence.
And as for yourself, Mrs Clinton: don't just make some noise. Make sense.

Regards,

A very angry Betty.

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Reply Dear Mrs Clinton: some well-meant advice from an irrevocably lost voter (Original post)
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 OP
SFnomad Mar 2016 #1
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #3
leftofcool Mar 2016 #42
SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #63
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #68
Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #6
mythology Mar 2016 #19
Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #61
BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #7
jillan Mar 2016 #9
Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #26
radiclib Mar 2016 #33
Fawke Em Mar 2016 #37
jillan Mar 2016 #38
Logical Mar 2016 #10
SFnomad Mar 2016 #11
roguevalley Mar 2016 #17
SFnomad Mar 2016 #22
Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #25
Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #27
SFnomad Mar 2016 #34
Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #35
DhhD Mar 2016 #43
roguevalley Mar 2016 #44
roguevalley Mar 2016 #40
SFnomad Mar 2016 #56
Kittycat Mar 2016 #28
roguevalley Mar 2016 #39
Kittycat Mar 2016 #50
sarge43 Mar 2016 #47
dlwickham Mar 2016 #62
chervilant Mar 2016 #64
CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #2
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #74
azretired Mar 2016 #4
Arazi Mar 2016 #5
BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #8
SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #24
Metric System Mar 2016 #12
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #13
Voice for Peace Mar 2016 #14
roguevalley Mar 2016 #18
ejbr Mar 2016 #20
ibegurpard Mar 2016 #30
Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #59
Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #31
Laughing Mirror Mar 2016 #41
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Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #49
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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:17 PM

1. An irrevocably lost voter?

 

Somehow, I doubt she ever had your vote to begin with or ever could get it.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:20 PM

3. Go back a year, and I would have been wide open to overtures on her part.

 

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:25 PM

42. Really?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:08 PM

63. She lacks common courtesy

You address her as Senator or Secretary.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:26 AM

68. Right now, I certainly do.

 

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:27 PM

6. So, no response on substance, then?

 

Just an insinuation that since OP was never a truly loyal subject of Her Majesty, nothing she wrote is worth addressing?

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:44 PM

19. As opposed to the deep substance of your insults?

 

Glass houses and all.

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Response to mythology (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:56 PM

61. I'm not trying to refute the OP.

 

You were being dismissive on flimsy grounds so I called you out on it. Sorry if that hurts your feelings or makes you feel "insulted."

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:30 PM

7. Clearly Hillary has your vote. Is there ANYTHING she could do to lose it?

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:35 PM

9. What Hillary supporters don't seem to understand is that she has to earn our vote. She has to give

us a reason to vote for her. So far -nothing.

I am not going to vote FOR Hillary either, I will vote against the GOP nominee.

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Response to jillan (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:05 PM

26. What Hillary supporters fail to understand is that "Hillary because...woman" is not sufficient

reason in and of itself. Its all the reason they need so they looked no further. Since they only have that and a resume, they simply cannot convince anyone on the issues.

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Response to jillan (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:14 PM

33. You just contradicted yourself.

If you are going to vote against the GOP nominee anyway, Hillary does NOT have to earn your vote or give you a reason to vote for her. Don't think she doesn't know this. It is pure DLC strategy.

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Response to radiclib (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:18 PM

37. There will be other candidates on the ballot.

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Response to radiclib (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:20 PM

38. Not a contradiction. I will not support her. Voting against the GOP does not equal support.

I get very involved before elections, make calls, do what I can.

I will not be doing any of that for her. I'll put my energy into local seats (calling for the dem trying to beat McCain).
If the nominee is Bernie - I will be calling, knocking on doors, doing all that I can to get his word out.

But in the end I will not for the gop.



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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:40 PM

10. LOL, says the person with 35 posts! nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:44 PM

11. 35 posts

 

There was a time when you only had 35 posts. Were your posts worth less then?

Dismissing someone because of the number of posts they have reveals more about you than it does about me.

Now that I have 36 posts, am I worthy yet?

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:30 PM

17. this place gets trolled alot, SFNomad. Low count thugs often come here and make mischief.

what the problem was, you had nothing to say about the content. After reading that, your only comment was the poster was never someone on HRC's side even though they said so. That's why you're looked at with suspicion for the good or bad of it. How about a comment on the content? That will help.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:53 PM

22. So now I'm being lumped in with "low count thugs"

 

You might want to take a look at the replies to my single opinion.

I was replied to by several posters around here who acted far more thuggish than I. You might want to take a look in the mirror.



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Response to SFnomad (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:03 PM

25. Your ploy does not function here.

 

nt

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:06 PM

27. Actually -

I'm pretty sure no one was saying you're a "low count thug", in fact I'm pretty sure you were getting an explanation of WHY some react they way they do to low post counts.

You didn't respond to the content, you only attacked one small part of the premise of a post. One that took the OP quite a while to type out that they put some serious thought into. It would really serve you well to comment on that, even if you don't agree, instead of basically calling them a liar.

Does that make any better sense as to why you got the reaction you did?

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Response to Mother Of Four (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:14 PM

34. One small part of the premise?

 

It was in the topic of the post, let me refresh your memory ... "Dear Mrs Clinton: some well-meant advice from an irrevocably lost voter"

It's my experience when someone declares with such drama that they now just can't bring themselves to vote for someone ... they never intended to vote for that person, ever.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:17 PM

35. Did you even READ Betty's post?

Wow...just wow.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:25 PM

43. You have been around long enough to read most of her/his/Betty's posts? No.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:25 PM

44. and since you don't know them you could be wrong

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:24 PM

40. no, clown. I was explaining that posters remark

About your count. look in your own mirror

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #40)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:44 PM

56. Clown?

 

I guess all you have left are insults. How unexpected.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:06 PM

28. Because that really sounded like a "thug"

I can't believe you just posted that. So disappointed. And sometimes the bullies have been here forever.

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Response to Kittycat (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:23 PM

39. I knew you would say that. I said some do this and

It was not him. It was informational as you well know. Sad.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #39)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:33 PM

50. You knew I would. Okay.

Please have a good day.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:28 PM

47. You've been a member for over seven years, posted less than 50 times and

yet you're able to read another member's mind.

Mad skills you have there.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:02 PM

62. you're probably right

all this false outrage from people who wouldn't vote for Hillary no matter what

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:17 PM

64. Well, durn...

I wondered (for a brief moment) how I missed putting you on my IL. Then, I saw your post count, and realized I likely haven't seen any of your other pro-Hi11ary posts.

No problem: better late than never, etc.

Feeling the BERN!!!

#NotMeUs

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:19 PM

2. I cannot add anything to your excellent post except K&R. Thank you! n/t

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:05 AM

74. You are most welcome.

 

* virtual hug *

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:20 PM

4. Well said

 

Thank you for this post. I grow so weary of hearing of her latest conversion to whatever is now popular truth.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:21 PM

5. Righteous! Bravo and so so very true

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:32 PM

8. Betty, even if Hillary made that speech you want

Is there anybody who would believe it, who would think that it wasn't driven by the political calculation as with virtually every other thing she does?

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:58 PM

24. That is true. But she ought to try nevertheless. nt

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:45 PM

12. Hillary's name means more in the LGBT community than Bernie's. We never heard of him before 2015.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:01 PM

13. What we heard from Clinton before 2013 didn't make us happy, Metric.

 

But thanks for trying to derail the thread.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:08 PM

14. And yet he was defending lgbt rights for 30 some years

 

But never ever making it about himself.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:31 PM

18. so metric system, how about googling his decades long efforts? And I don't think because you might

not know it that you speak for the entire gay community.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:50 PM

20. To my utter gay amazement n/t

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:09 PM

30. Who the fuck do you think you're speaking for???

"We" had heard of him LONG before that. Speak for yourself.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:52 PM

59. TOLD!

 

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:09 PM

31. Well I had heard of him through Jesse Jackson's campaigns.

 

And followed his career from that time forward. I'm sure millions more learned his name when they studied the list of courageous Congress persons who voted No on DOMA, it was not that long a list. Not everyone is like you, not paying attention, not taking part.
And of course LGBT and our allies in Vermont and neighboring States sure as hell knew Bernie.

My LGBT friends are very politically active and very informed people for the most part. The majority are for Bernie, and one of them is extremely active in the Bernie campaign in an upcoming very important State. She really hated those Reagan comments because like me, she was an activist back then as well.....

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:24 PM

41. The well-trodden "never heard of him" cop out

Well I'm the LGBT community and the name Hillary means shit to me.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:27 PM

45. You are arguing with the person who called Hillary a homophobe.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:32 PM

49. I heard quite a bit about HRC before 2013, you know

 

Her support for DADT, and DOMA. But recently it is her praise of the Reagans that impressed me most

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #49)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:34 PM

67. {shifty eyes} Not sure if sarcasm or really a HRC supporter. {/shifty eyes}

The reagans were a horrible couple that torpedoed our country into the deepest right wing hole that we are still trying to dig ourselves out of.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:37 PM

54. I did

Just because you were not familiar with the him doesn't mean the rest of us weren't.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:46 PM

57. Then I guess you never paid attention to politics.

 

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Response to Metric System (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:51 PM

58. WE? Speak for yourself, you do not speak for the GLBT

community. At least he supported us before Her Majesty that waited until the Supremes said OK. We, indeed.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:09 PM

15. all those old wounds were ripped open too, you see?

I never thought a 24 year old old wound could be ripped open so completely. You never forget the look on an aunts face when she tells you her husband, your uncle has AIDS and he will die soon. You don't forget how it looks when there is an empty space next to your aunt when he is too ill to attend family functions and worse when he has passed.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:26 PM

16. I'm sorry for your loss.

 

Love, Betty

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:30 PM

48. I am sorry my aunt had to go through that

For me I was an adult when I went to a family function in 1990, my uncle was at that one he had lost a lot of weight. He wasn't smiling and happy and telling jokes in his subtle way. He had a hard time listening to people around him for very long and he was known as a great listener. A few months later he wasn't able to attend anymore so I saw my aunt being lonely. That is what hit me the most, the loss a family faces when something could have been prevented and wasn't. I am so po'd right now. I changed my facebook pic to having a rainbow on it even though I don't see this exactly as a gay issue. You know why because it isn't. Even if my uncle was gay and everyone can be like oh well he got the gay disease, I still freaking lost my uncle asshole. Because I seriously don't care what someone is or isn't when they are my family, hell there are Republicans in my family. I will be sad if they die before I do. My grandfather who was a well not nice person died and I was sad. He was my grandfather and whatever it was he did in his personal life well he is still my grandfather. My uncle though he was a really genuinely nice person with a shy smile and a way of making people feel better.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:52 PM

21. Yes, HRC's weather vane

…..was very slow on all of what LGBT deals with.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:54 PM

23. As the weather vane spins.

It's like an afternoon soap opera, a really poorly written one at that.

Awesome post Betty

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:07 PM

29. ...

Thank you for your post, I know it took alot to get all that down in text with how much it means to you.

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Response to Mother Of Four (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:31 AM

69. Thanks for those sweet words.

 

Love you right back.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:11 PM

32. Clinton would be utterly incapable

 

of giving such a speech.

It would be like asking a demon to help with communion in a Catholic mass. She is simply never going to do that.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:17 PM

36. You are very correct. I am still just trying to digest that anyone in our Party could think such a

 

thing. It's disturbing to the core.
She has to do a full and actual accounting of what Reagan and Nancy and the rest of them actually did. But she likes to excuse the straights for their brutal negligence and heartless treatment of people of LGBT and people with AIDS.

She spoke on World AIDS Day at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church. Yeah. She lavished praise on Rick and his people and she said 'gay' 4 times in an AIDS speech. She only said 'gay' in order to excuse herself and the faith community for their atrocious actions.
This is 2007, mind you: "Twenty-five years ago, when men - mostly young gay men - began dying from a disease that had no name, we could not have, and certainly did not, talk about it in church. It would not have been proper. It would not have been polite. It would have been discomforting for so many of us.

But the disease itself was not polite, and ignoring it did not make it go away. It only made the problem worse, because the disease fed on ignorance and fear and, let's be honest, on prejudice."

So self serving and all about the poor Christians asked to serve those in need. 'We could not. It would have been discomforting to so many of us'.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=77080

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #36)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:33 AM

70. I think I just threw up. So was she the one who nudged Obama to invite Warren

 

for the inaugural prayer, right after Prop H8 was passed? I wouldn't put it past her. She is a silent homophobe, and always has been.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:27 PM

46. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #46)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:34 AM

71. Yes, that is about as serious as anyone on Clinton's side takes LGBT issues.

 

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:34 PM

51. 1991- ACT-UP Protest at Bush's Home in Kennebunkport Maine

 

In the summer of 1991, thousands of ACT UP activists descended on the resort town of Kennebunkport where the family of then President George H. W. Bush had a summer home. Bush’s lack of attention to AIDS followed the same bigoted, murderous agenda of his predecessor Ronald Reagan.
http://actuparchive.stevehuggins.com/?tag=kennebunkport-action

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:34 PM

52. K.R

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:35 PM

53. You know Betty, your right....

 

and when Hillary looses, I'm sure President Trump or President Cruz will welcome you and your community with open arms. And yes....of course I'm being sarcastic, but my point is this....I may prefer Hillary over Bernie in the primary, but as long as Bernie wins fair and square (without the need for super delegates), I would be honored to vote for Bernie and call him my President. I won't even waste my time trying to convince the Bernie folks on DU of doing the same, but if we loose this election, (which will most likely mean loosing a Supreme Court pic to swing the court), I will be curious to see what every Bernie supporter (who won't vote for Hillary) posts over the next 4 to 8 years. I'm sure their post will mostly be about their so called principled stand they took to stop Hillary from becoming President at any cost, and not about the damage being inflicted on our great country by a Trump or Cruz Presidency. And if damage sounds like hyperbole or over the top language, just remember the Iraq War and the sacrifices we made in blood and treasure because of a misguided neo-con republican President who was only incompetent. Now imagine how much damage an extreme right wing nut job like Trump or Cruz can do to this country with the full power of the Presidency.

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Response to markj757 (Reply #53)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:55 PM

60. blah blah blah fear the scary boogeyman.

 

Fear will keep the outer systems in line, eh Grand Moff Tarkin?

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:04 PM

65. like I wrote.....

 

attempting to try and convince Bernie supporters of anything substantive on DU is a waste of time. Like Bernie said himself, Hillary will be far much better than anyone the republicans can nominate. But then again, who is he, just the candidate you claim to support. Thank you for proving my point.

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Response to markj757 (Reply #65)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:42 AM

73. The lesser of two evil is still evil.

 

But trying to argue that with the supporters of an incorrigeable homophobe is like trying to play chess with pidgeons: it won't work and you'll only get crap from them.

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Response to markj757 (Reply #53)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:39 AM

72. Do you know when you lost this argument? Right here:

 

"just remember the Iraq War and the sacrifices we made in blood and treasure because of a misguided neo-con republican President"

- Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) gave that war her unconditional support!

Yeah, I remember that. Do you?

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #72)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:32 AM

75. to say I lost that argument......

 

because she voted for the war in Iraq is ridiculous. If I lost that argument, then once again, so did the candidate you supposedly support, who made the same exact argument. And I'm sure if he looses this primary fair and square, he will make this same argument again as he campaigns for her across this country. That on her worst day, Hillary Clinton is by far so much better for this country than anyone the republicans can nominate. And just because they have done battle in this primary, does not make them enemies, and does not make her evil. But then again, why listen to Bernie, he is only the honest and decent man you claim to support. I know one thing, if Bernie looses this primary, I look forward to his support of Hillary and his strong endorsement of her presidential campaign, and most importantly, his vote.

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Response to markj757 (Reply #75)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:38 AM

76. Your entitled and arrogant worldview must be a great comfort to you.

 

Enjoy it while it lasts.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:42 PM

55. A little commentary about Nancy, Ronnie and Bonzo.

Laughed my ass off because this was so goddamn weird.


Genesis - Land of Confusion

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:44 AM

77. thanks Betty for the morning tears

Something in what you wrote has me weeping, and it is a great relief to be genuinely sad rather than angry.
Thank you

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #77)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:52 AM

78. We will mourn the losses, for they are many.

 

But we will celebrate the victories, for they are few.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:02 AM

79. Betty: Fact over 25000 Americans were dead.

Before Ronnie addressed AIDS. I went to Washington for the first quilt.
Today we have Cruz cozy with a preacher calling for death to gays. We need and would miss your vote.
Dorothy

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Response to Protalker (Reply #79)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:06 AM

80. Bernie will win the nomination, then crush whichever loon heads the GOP ticket.

 

How about that?

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