The Clintons should be disqualified from public office

[Prism]

Kalidurga just shared this tainted blood scandal I had never heard about until now.

The Clintons' fingerprints are all over it.

Tell me honestly, these are the people we want running the country? After they presided over this?

I promise, it will be the most infuriating thing you will read all week.

http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=3732

Anyone who sees that and thinks, "Eh, no big deal" is not a liberal or a Democrat, IMO.

These two are a cancer on our party and our ideology.

[Betty Karlson]

1. Well, it's a measure that might create undesirable precedents.

But that is the only potential objection I could raise against your opinion.

[Thinkingabout]

2. And this disqualifies Hillary from public office how?

[Prism]

4. People who have that going on should not be running things

It's one of those incidents you glance at and immediately assume, as a person with a working conscience, that everyone involved was run out of town on a rail.

[Thinkingabout]

9. I don't see a connection to Hillary, how do you involve Hillary?

[leftofcool]

11. This has nothing to do with the Clintons.

Just stop!

[hobbit709]

13. Didn't read the article and Clinton's involvement, did you.

[Jitter65]

51. This is how it's done. Throw something ugly out there, just say the Clintons are connected or

responsible, and it become gospel. No proof, substantiation or anything else. Just say it!

[hobbit709]

52. Evidently denial is just a river in Egypt to you.

[Waiting For Everyman]

58. This going on while she was an attorney and First Lady of Arkansas,

if she didn't know about it she's terminally unaware. Especially since there were two investigations into it during the Clinton tenure as governor.

I find that ridiculous to believe. Credulity doesn't stretch that far.

She and Bill knew about that prisoner blood poisoning the blood suppy and they let it happen. Anybody who died from AIDS during that time could have gotten the disease from that poison blood, directly or indirectly. And anybody walking around now with those or related health issues could have gotten it from that blood.

It was even spread to numerous foreign countries, which btw have litigated this all the way through to settlement for their citizens -- 2,000 cases in Canada alone. A bunch of other countries in Europ were affected.

I have two relatives who got transfusions during that time. My husband had more than a dozen back surgeries, and my daughter was hit by a car at 7 and nearly lost a leg. Both developed ongoing additional health issues that probably came from tainted blood during the transfusions. My husband died from all of the health problems he dealt with ever since that time, 20+ years, in 2007. My daughter's an adult, still struggling with hers.

I regard what was done in Arkansas -- knowingly poisoning the blood supply -- as little different from terrorism.

[Thinkingabout]

59. Are you familiar with the real history of blood donations during this period of time?

BTW, when did the program of allowing prisoners to donate blood begin?

Furthermore are you going to hold Sanders responsible for actions of his spouse?

[Waiting For Everyman]

60. Her "resume" includes her time as spouse.

She runs on, and expects us to give her credit for all of that. And her official public positions in recent years only came to her because she was Bill's wife. As unrelated "Hillary Smith" she would never have been Senator from New York, nor Secretary of State. Whenever a problem arises from her participation as First Lady (for example acting as official spokesperson actively promoting a Clinton program like the Crime Bill or Welfare Reform), she was just a spouse bystander. When there's credit to be glommed, she was a partner. Don't even play that.

I'd suggest you read the links.

[Thinkingabout]

64. I read the links, this does not disqualify her in any way of being elected

And holding office, she is the most qualified candidate running. Read up on the history of blood donations during this time period, study the history of prisoners donations, it just may provide insight.

[Waiting For Everyman]

65. Sure.

[Thinkingabout]

69. Thank you.

[NCTraveler]

3. Nothing there comes close to disqualifying her for office.

It's amazing the things said here.

[Prism]

5. Like I said

If you're fine with, I don't know what to tell you.

[NCTraveler]

7. 1) I never said I was fine with it.

2) Nothing there disqualifies HRC from elected office as you wish.

Truly a frightening thought you are promoting.

[Punkingal]

6. I read that this morning and I've been sick about it all day.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

8. What did Hillary Clinton do in this scenario?

I read part of what you linked, dont see her name yet.

[leftofcool]

10. What does a program that started in 1967 have to do with Hillary?

[Bluenorthwest]

21. What did Nancy and Ron have to do with starting the conversation on AIDS?

You reap what you sow. This is very ugly stuff and the optics are old egg rotten. Enjoy!

[Nanjeanne]

12. I knew nothing about this and rather than believe one link I looked into this. WOW

A documentary was made about this in 2005 called Factor 8: The Arkansas Prison Blood Scandal by an Arkansas documentarian, Kelly Duda. He spent 7 years making this film.

Here's a review of the movie: http://www.wnd.com/2005/10/33137/

And info on Kelly Duda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Duda

[pdsimdars]

14. I sent that link to Stephanie Miller

I keep hoping she will stop promoting Hillary so hard. But she didn't blink an eye with the Reagan/AIDS comment. I don't have much hope for this either.
I like her show but can't listen any more because she is so unbalanced about it. She repeats every misleading talking point that the Clinton campiagn puts out. Never checking them and even after disproven she goes right on with them. At least Thom Hartmann looks into them and puts out the truth. Stephanie never does. Sad day.

[hedda_foil]

41. I can't listen to her anymore either.

Hartmann is so careful to say nothing to damage Hill. Stephanie is continuously spinning like a top for her. Then, when they are on each other's shows, she tones it down a little. Frustrating.

[cosmicone]

15. More RW talking points rechurned ... meh n/t

[Nanjeanne]

16. Not sure how this is a right wing talking point. Maybe you should watch the

documentary made about it. And the filmmaker who spent 7 years of his life doing it was never a right-winger.

But you already have your talking points down - so why bother researching validity.

[cosmicone]

17. This is what republicans have been throwing out at Clintons

since 1985 ... or something similar.

It won't stick. Sad that supposed democrats are promoting it for the benefit of the free stuff party.

[smiley]

40. Her history is tainted with controversy.

What a horrible candidate to nominate for president. She is going to destroy the party with all these 'unfounded' accusations she has been dealing with since 1985... or something similar.

[cosmicone]

44. So Bernie and his disciples recycle dead controversies

and then moan and whine about the controversies !!!

[smiley]

47. I believe it is you whining about controversies...

[dana_b]

61. How can you laugh at this?

Have you seen the film? Read the articles? It's not something that most people can just discard and then laugh off. These people that you are so vociferously defending are BAD people. They don't care a whit about you and will do anything for power.

And you may think that it's just because I support Bernie that I am saying this. No. It's because of stuff like this that i support Bernie.

[cosmicone]

66. No one except Bernie supporters cares about mudslinging at Hillary. n/t

[Docreed2003]

54. So you dismiss a factual issue calling it RW talking points and at the same time...

Use RW talking points to dismiss Sanders supporters as the "free stuff" party...how very Mott Romney-esque of you.

[obamanut2012]

26. You linked to wnd in your above post

WND.

;rofl;

[Nanjeanne]

32. Sorry I was doing that for the review. Didn't notice the site. Here are other reviews

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2008/mar/15/factor-8-the-arkansas-prison-blood-mining-scandal-movie-review-and-director-interview/

http://variety.com/2005/film/reviews/factor-8-the-arkansas-prison-blood-scandal-1200520280/


http://prorev.com/blood.htm

Better for you?

[William769]

18. A cancer is something that invades the body. We all know what invaded the democratic body.

I would hate to be you when we see Hillary inaugurated next year as President of the United States.

Have a nice day.

[hobbit709]

20. Yes, the corporate minions and their willing enablers.

[Prism]

22. I'll live

Other people won't.

But I know you care not at all, Bill. You got yours. That's all that matters. But hey, at least you're having fun!

[Bluenorthwest]

23. Ah there's that honey dripping charm the Clinton crowd is so well known for. Not a word about the

subject matter, a nasty personal slam at another DUer, an snotty emoticon and that's all. It just vibrates with Hillaryness.

[William769]

29. Please fee free to point out the "liberal hate", yes that's a challange.

But remember liberal is not synonymous with Bernie. You just don't like what's being said about Bernie there or anywhere for that matter.

We await your results.

[arcane1]

30. Proving my point, once again.

[William769]

31. Oy vey.

[hobbit709]

33. Like the hate on Bernie posted in your little group and on your site?

It's not the Bernie supporters who want to purge everyone.

[William769]

34. And there's no hate right here on DU about Hillary!

[hobbit709]

35. Who plotted to ban people?

[arcane1]

36. Cowards run and hide, after all. It's their nature.

[William769]

42. So not up to the challenge I see.

So much hyperbole. So little time. Figures.

[polly7]

39. Lmao. nt.

[senz]

24. Yeah I'll bet you'd hate to be the American people, too

should that befall them.

[Maedhros]

28. I'll proudly stand with Prism.

An intact sense of integrity and decency goes a long way, even through the sting of political defeat.

[cosmicone]

37. and Hillary supporters are the chemotherapy !! n/t

[notadmblnd]

53. Sometimes it's not the cancer that kills, it's the chemo

[cosmicone]

68. Thank you cancer specialist

[notadmblnd]

72. My pleasure.

[JackBeck]

73. Doesn't chemo also cause diarrhea, vomiting and loss of appetite?

They probably shouldn't have chosen that (in their mind) clever response.

[Onlooker]

19. Do the mods have a powerful anti-Clinton bias?

When are they going to stop these idiotic threads from being posted? I think I'm going to start a thread on Hillary murdering Vince Foster.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. The owners of this site are wildly Pro Clinton. Your job is to offer a sound objection to stories

you don't care for. Prove them to be wrong. Instead what you do is call for censorship of opinions you don't like. That's a basic problem with Clinton Culture, isn't it?

[Dem2]

38. I read the article and the references at the bottom

What an awful situation, can't believe it almost caused the Canadian government to change parties.

Here's what I learned about Clinton's involvement in this:

Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas at the time the tainted blood was being collected from the state's inmates.

Hillary is never mentioned.


Keep trying to find ways to disqualify Hillary from running for President, perhaps, unlike the millions of dollars spent by Republicans, progressives will finally take them down after recycling just the right story at the right time.

[Aerows]

43. Prism, I'll just say

that I am still so furious about the Nancy comments, and then there is *THIS*.

I cannot *FATHOM* why this hasn't been national news.

I've passed pissed. I'm incandescent with rage.

[Recursion]

45. Ironically, the legal doctrine preventing what you're calling for is called "corruption of blood"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Three_of_the_United_States_Constitution

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

[Waiting For Everyman]

46. Your subject line is exactly my thought when I read this

this morning.

I can not imagine how we never heard of this before. That is a story in itself, and I hope we find out the rest of it soon. I'll have to watch the movie, maybe that explains it more.

I'll never get over shaking my head at this one.

[Major Hogwash]

48. There's no way she will ever become the President now.

It doesn't matter what some on the internet say about her, she's come undone.

[bigtree]

49. Hillary's name doesn't appear anywhere in there

...and this hit piece doesn't present any more evidence than Bill Clinton was governor at the time.

This kind of shit makes this place look like a right wing site from the '90s. You should be ashamed promoting this crap.

[jcgoldie]

56. I love Bernie Sanders but...

It's quite disturbing how easily his "more liberal than you are" supporters snatch hold of right wing and sexist bullshit and run with it.

[DrDan]

50. so putting BS in the WH guarantees an end to these scandals . . . got it

[djean111]

63. That has absolutely nothing to do with it. A non-sequitur at best, a deflection at worst. n/t

[DrDan]

67. a manufactured issue period

[jcgoldie]

55. Sure

Because everyone knows a good woman is just an extension of her husband. She's obviously complicit in anything he does. Hard for me to even separate her identity from her husbands lets just call her Bill's wife. Nice job.

[hallio]

57. Pretty awful

one more reason, if any more were needed, not to vote for hrc

[Kalidurga]

62. Thank you Prism

I will do a write up soon on why this matters as far as Hillary's candidacy. That her supporters miss the glaring reason why it matters is telling indeed. That they can't debunk this says even more. They are the gift that keeps giving.

[Gram Parsons]

70. That's pretty sad and tragic, but not Bill Clinton's fault, much less Hillary's

[noamnety]

71. Quoting from the article

because some people are have trouble finding the section that involves Clinton:

"In 1985, the Arkansas Board of Corrections hired the Institute for Law and Policy Planning (ILPP) in Berkeley, California, to conduct an independent investigation into HMA’s practices. At the same time, Governor Bill Clinton ordered the state police to conduct a similar investigation. The institute discovered instances in which HMA had violated its state contract in forty areas, including poor health assessment and recordkeeping and the hiring of unlicensed, uncertified, and unqualified staff. In contrast, the state police investigation found only that a few HMA employees had been running a small-time gambling operation. Clinton urged a swift end to the investigation.

I can tell you that if my husband were in a position to be canceling an investigation into infecting thousands of people with poisoned blood, I would get informed. If I were an attorney - I would know everydamnthing about the situation. If I cared about humanity more than his political career, I would speak out about it. Start a national conversation about it, as they say.

And yet people can't find her name referenced anywhere - which they interpret as a good thing. I read it as she chose to stay silent.