More Very Unsavory Data from Clinton Libya Emails: The objective was LIbya's Billions of Dollars

[amborin]

The brief visit of then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Libya in October 2011 was referred to by the media as a “victory lap.” “We came, we saw, he died!” she crowed in a CBS video interview on hearing of the capture and brutal murder of Libyan leader Muammar el-Qaddafi.

But.....Libya was relegated to the back burner by the State Department, “as the country dissolved into chaos, leading to a civil war that would destabilize the region, fueling the refugee crisis in Europe and allowing the Islamic State to establish a Libyan haven that the United States is now desperately trying to contain.”

Hillary totally "misinterpreted" the intelligence on Qaddafi, and went against the advice of Biden, Gates, and many otehr senior State Department officials who had in-depth knowledge of Libya (which she sorely lacked):

US-NATO intervention was allegedly undertaken on humanitarian grounds, after reports of mass atrocities; but human rights organizations questioned the claims after finding a lack of evidence. Today, however, verifiable atrocities are occurring. As Dan Kovalik wrote in the Huffington Post, “the human rights situation in Libya is a disaster, as ‘thousands of detainees [including children] languish in prisons without proper judicial review,’ and ‘kidnappings and targeted killings are rampant’.”

Before 2011, Libya had achieved economic independence, with its own water, its own food, its own oil, its own money, and its own state-owned bank. It had arisen under Qaddafi from one of the poorest of countries to the richest in Africa. Education and medical treatment were free; having a home was considered a human right; and Libyans participated in an original system of local democracy. The country boasted the world’s largest irrigation system, the Great Man-made River project, which brought water from the desert to the cities and coastal areas; and Qaddafi was embarking on a program to spread this model throughout Africa.

But that was before US-NATO forces bombed the irrigation system and wreaked havoc on the country. ......

.......But her newly-released emails reveal another agenda behind the Libyan war; and this one, it seems, was achieved.

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Of the 3,000 emails released from Hillary Clinton’s private email server in late December 2015, about a third were from her close confidante Sidney Blumenthal, the attorney who defended her husband in the Monica Lewinsky case. One of these emails, dated April 2, 2011, reads in part:

Qaddafi’s government holds 143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver . . . . This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and was intended to be used to establish a pan-African currency based on the Libyan golden Dinar. This plan was designed to provide the Francophone African Countries with an alternative to the French franc (CFA).

In a “source comment,” the original declassified email adds:

According to knowledgeable individuals this quantity of gold and silver is valued at more than $7 billion. French intelligence officers discovered this plan shortly after the current rebellion began, and this was one of the factors that influenced President Nicolas Sarkozy’s decision to commit France to the attack on Libya. According to these individuals Sarkozy’s plans are driven by the following issues:

1 A desire to gain a greater share of Libya oil production,

2 Increase French influence in North Africa,

3 Improve his internal political situation in France,

4 Provide the French military with an opportunity to reassert its position in the world,

5 Address the concern of his advisors over Qaddafi’s long term plans to supplant France as the dominant power in Francophone Africa

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/14/exposing-the-libyan-agenda-a-closer-look-at-hillarys-emails/


The NY Times Documented How Hillary totally owned the bombing and aftermath of Libya:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511362141

[peacebird]

1. She is a neocon nightmare.

[Betty Karlson]

4. And a silent homophobe.

I don't care anymore what letter she has behind her name. She mustn't be president. Ever.

[Plucketeer]

27. (D)

for deceiver.

[roguevalley]

31. no one on her side will care. I am mystified.

[yurbud]

68. she is riding on name recognition AND Bill looks good

After W and Obama, who imitated Bill in terms policy for 8 years.

[Ferd Berfel]

59. yes - and sadly - Our nightmare too

[WillyT]

2. K & R !!!

[farleftlib]

3. She destroyed Libya for nothing except to satisfy her own ambition and greed

AFAIC this was a war crime and she should be made to pay for it.

K & R

[bvar22]

12. The destruction of Libya also benefitted the Western Banks and the IMF.

” For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html

[farleftlib]

33. Yes, like Saddam hussein

Gaddafi threatened the petrodollar system, so he had to go. No WMD, no humanitarian crisis, it was always about money.

On September 24, 2000, Saddam Hussein allegedly “emerged from a meeting of his government and proclaimed that Iraq would soon transition its oil export transactions to the euro currency.”

http://ftmdaily.com/preparing-for-the-collapse-of-the-petrodollar-system-part-3/

[bvar22]

48. LIbya had over $7 Billion in gold and silver rserves,

and plans to shift the African Economy to the Libyan Dinar from the Dollar

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/declassified-emails-reveal-natos-true-motive-topple-gaddafi-stop-creation-gold-backed-african-currency/

[Ed Suspicious]

25. We came, we saw, he died! :laughter:

Can you imagine that? I can't imagine it not being a sober moment while talking about the end of a life, I don't care whose it is. I cannot relate to someone who could find humor in a person's death.

[farleftlib]

35. She is chilling

Blood-curdling laughter at the death of another human being is a sign of depravity.

[loyalsister]

65. It gives me the creeps

Something like "We came, we saw, and the Libyan people are going to have a better quality of life" would not be nearly as disturbing as mentioning his death as a triumph.
At the same time, the background and possible motives are beginning to worry me. I feel a little duped, because I bought the scenario that it could become another Rwanda or worse.

[nichomachus]

5. As always, follow the money, follow the money, follow the money

Hillary doesn't have a humanitarian bone in her body. She will bomb anyone, anywhere, anytime.

[amborin]

70. +10000

[Ferd Berfel]

6. More blood on her hands

[JDPriestly]

7. K&R. I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot but not for Hillary.

[SammyWinstonJack]

26. Right there with you!

[eggman67]

36. Yep

There is nothing that could persuade me to ever vote for her. If I wanted to vote for a war mongering corporate republican neoconservative I'd join their party.

[Wilms]

8. ^

[AzDar]

9. K & R

[CanonRay]

10. One thing you can always count on in America

behind everything is either money or oil. Or both.

[Dont call me Shirley]

11. "We came, we saw, he died", sounds like a bushism. Horrifying!

[bvar22]

14. The giggling after her statement was chilling.

absolutely CHILLING.

[Dont call me Shirley]

17. It was ugly and disgusting also. I cringed when that first aired, still do.

[Politicalboi]

52. It was like Bush

When he was Governor of Texas and they we're talking about the execution of Karla Faye Tucker.

[Dont call me Shirley]

60. That was sick, so many of his words (and actions) were sick.

[polly7]

13. Great thread, amborin. +1000. nt.

[SoapBox]

15. She is not Presidential material.

Just say No, America!

[Volaris]

16. Oh for Gods sakes..

Internally originated, cross-border Sovereign Currency (and a multinational agency to administer it's effective distribution)

IS EXACTLY WHAT MOST OF THE MUSLIM WORLD AND AFRICA NEEDS!!

If people know they can go to work, vote to not get fucked out of their rightful share of a productive economy that is self-administered, and not get jailed or killed for doing so, does anyone actually think ISIS would exist at all??

The world bank should exist for currency exchange and that's IT. everything else is neocon economic colonialistic bullshit and should be called out as such EVERY CHANCE WE GET.

GOD, did this Administration drop the ball on this kind of Meta stuff. Not mad about it, McCain and Romney both would have been far far worse to be sure. But now that we know better, I'm voting DIFFERENTLY. If that shrinks the Empire a little bit for the oligarchs, fuck them I'm fine with that. They don't pay their taxes to help maintain that empire, ANYWAY.

[PatrickforO]

40. Maybe we should go a little farther and revoke the Fed's charter.

Most people think the Fed is 'quasi governmental' but it is not. In actuality it is owned primarily by Citi and JP Morgan Chase. If you are familiar with history, John Rockefeller and JP Morgan assembled a bunch of robber barons on the appropriately named 'Jekyll Island,' ostensibly for a duck hunt.

But what they were really hunting is a stranglehold on money supply. They created the Fed, had a couple of members of Congress they had in their pockets draft up the Federal Reserve Act, and then ramrodded it through when most of Congress was away from DC for the holidays, on December 22, 1913.

Now, think about how different our lives would be if we didn't owe bankers all that interest on the national 'debt,' which is basically money we owe ourselves. If our government printed its own money, we could dissolve the debt and finance all the infrastructure projects we need. Oh, sure the international bankers would try and fight it, first by attempting to scare us with the specter of inflation, then by massive infusions of counterfeit money (did you know the Secret Service was created in July 1865 because over 1/3 of US currency was counterfeit - this because Lincoln financed the Civil War, Land Grant Colleges and other things by printing his own money - and European bankers were flooding the country with counterfeit currency to fight it? The Secret Service later began protecting presidents after the assassination of McKinley - an advocate of the US printing its own currency and not being beholden to bankers).

There's a whole history around this, and when we move the rock to behold the squirming maggots underneath, they are always old, white, male, wrinkled, liver-spotted hands grasping after more, more, more PROFITS.

Things like this make me want to puke when I think how this world could be if it weren't ruled by artificial scarcity and the greed of evil bankers.

[Octafish]

18. Like in Honduras.

Like in Haiti. Like in Iraq...

[H2O Man]

19. "

[PatrickforO]

20. If we didn't know before that Clinton is in the pockets of international bankers, we do now.

Qaddafi's crime was that he was going to print his own money, backed by gold and silver.

Bankers don't like that, so they used Clinton to influence Obama to unleash American military might for an ostensibly different 'humanitarian' reason.

BUT:

Before 2011, Libya had achieved economic independence, with its own water, its own food, its own oil, its own money, and its own state-owned bank. It had arisen under Qaddafi from one of the poorest of countries to the richest in Africa. Education and medical treatment were free; having a home was considered a human right; and Libyans participated in an original system of local democracy. The country boasted the world’s largest irrigation system, the Great Man-made River project, which brought water from the desert to the cities and coastal areas; and Qaddafi was embarking on a program to spread this model throughout Africa.

But that was before US-NATO forces bombed the irrigation system and wreaked havoc on the country. ......

.......But her newly-released emails reveal another agenda behind the Libyan war; and this one, it seems, was achieved.

WE DID THE SAME FUCKING THING IN CHILE, FOLKS.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. My gawd... How horrible....

[libtodeath]

21. K&R

[stupidicus]

22. well, she really should be forgiven all of this and more

it's all no doubt arisen outta the fact that she confused public service with self-service

financially it's been a very rewarding mistake on her part, and to be too hard on her is like promoting that dumb blonde stereotype, which would be sexist, no?

That's my best effort at emulating a HC supporter. How did I do?

[Duval]

24. Not bad at all!!

[Plucketeer]

28. I like it!

[Duval]

23. K&R!

[Uncle Joe]

29. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, amborin.

[bbgrunt]

32. they didn't call him "slick willy" for nothing. Two peas in a pod.

[Ivan Kaputski]

34. K & R

[RATM435]

37. Goldman Sachs Lost 98% of Libya's $1.3B Sovereign Wealth Fund Investment

As civil war roars on in Libya and Colonel Muammar Gadhafi vows to remain in power, reports surfaced that the Northern African country entrusted $1.3 billion through its sovereign wealth fund to Goldman Sachs in 2007, of which the investment bank lost approximately 98%, sparking the ire of Libyan officials. The fascinating drama includes Goldman offering Libya preferred equity and debt which could’ve made it one of the investment bank’s largest shareholders during the onset of the crisis, as well as intimidation and violent threats by Libyan officials.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2011/05/31/goldman-sachs-lost-98-of-libyas-1-3b-sovereign-wealth-fund-investment/#13fad051739c

[leveymg]

54. Lots of people got a cut of Libya's $90B after the regime was changed. Kinda makes the $7B in

in precious metal reserves seem like peanuts.

Seems Goldman Sachs wasn't the only one who had motive to loot Liby'a foreign exchange holdings, while HRC helped provide the chaos that created the opportunity to loot the National Bank and Ghadaffi's personal holdings. This was Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's Libya-Syria Opportunity program. Part of the Greater Mideast Bank Restructuring Act of 2011.

BTW: About a third of the estimated $90 billion Ghadaffi had shipped abroad hasn't even been traced. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/25/maybe-he-found-gaddafi-s-billions-or-maybe-it-s-all-a-giant-scam.html

Lots of people got a cut after the regime was changed.

[Feeling the Bern]

38. Not one pro HRC post here.

The pro HRC posts are all in her group (echo chamber) where they post how great she us, rec it up so it makes the front page, and block anyone with a differing opinion,

HRC people know she is becoming indefensible, so they defend her and insult Bernie and his supporters in the safety of their echo chamber, only to come out to lob a bomb like "bullshit" then go back to the echo chamber when people pounce on them, claiiming Bernie people are rude and angry.

They did the same thing in 2008 to Obama people and she LOST!!!

[MisterP]

39. to boot, she thought this wouldn't ultimately matter to us

we'd gripe and complain about starting wars or heinous crimes for money, but as soon as we caught whiff of Trump we'd come running right back, prefacing every criticism with "but it's absolutely ESSENTIAL to the future of our species for you vote for her and give her $2,700 and phonebank and chauffeur voters"; we concede before we even begin

we'll choke it down, suck it up, kiss her boots and apologize--just like we do with the party every 2 years since they happened to drop that little "peace dividend"

[grasswire]

41. and the intel she was getting from Blumenthal was faulty...

....AND, President Obama had banned Blumenthal from any influence in his State Department.

THAT is why Hillary had a personal server. She was running a rogue State Department out of the sight of Obama.

AND, Blumenthal was ginning up his own personal business dealings in Libya at the time.

AND, Blumenthal, while advising SoS Hillary on Libya with faulty intel, was an employee of the Clinton Foundation!!!

[polly7]

44. +1,000,000. nt.

[amborin]

69. but in her emails to him, she said, "keep them coming" he was her intel source!

[blackspade]

42. Fucking hell.

Iraq part du
Take a functioning country (whatever its faults) and make it into hell on earth for the people living there just to make a buck.

Disgusting.

[Myrina]

43. ... as reprehensible as this is ...

... who can honestly say that US foreign policy, as a whole, is about anything *other* than money - selling weapons, feeding the defense industry, making allies & investors wealthy, etc.?

[grasswire]

45. outstanding work, amborin nt

[Duval]

46. And she's running for President?

This is horrendous. I do not want her to be in charge of anything that might affect us all. She needs to retire and go back to Arkansas.

[Enthusiast]

47. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!

[Octafish]

49. Libya was using its oil wealth for ALL Libyans.

Not just the one-percent Wall Street model.

For over four decades, Gaddafi promoted economic democracy and used the nationalized oil wealth to sustain progressive social welfare programs for all Libyans. Under Gaddafi’s rule, Libyans enjoyed not only free health-care and free education, but also free electricity and interest-free loans. Now thanks to NATO’s intervention the health-care sector is on the verge of collapse as thousands of Filipino health workers flee the country, institutions of higher education across the East of the country are shut down, and black outs are a common occurrence in once thriving Tripoli.

-- http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-from-africas-wealthiest-democracy-under-gaddafi-to-us-nato-sponsored-terrorist-haven/5482974

We don't like sharing, do We?

[amborin]

50. thanks for pointing this, Octafish!

[Octafish]

55. ''War on Libya is War on Entire Africa.''

In 2010 Gaddafi offered to invest $97 billion in Africa to free it from Western influence, on condition that African states rid themselves of corruption and nepotism. Gaddafi always dreamed of a Developed, United Africa and was about to make that dream come true - and nothing is more terrifying to the West than a Developed, United Africa.

-- http://www.reunionblackfamily.com/apps/blog/show/7869956-war-on-libya-is-war-on-entire-africa-

[amborin]

57. bookmarked for later; but, yes, a United Africa would terrify the West

[MariaThinks]

51. this is becoming like the glen beck method of parsing info

where does it say that Hillary wanted the gold or Libya's billions?

doesn't every country have billions somewhere?

why am I even wasting my time with this post?

[amborin]

56. have you taken the time to read the links? the ny times articles? the HRC emails themselves?

[MariaThinks]

58. yes, where does it say we are going for the gold?

did I miss it?

[Octafish]

61. Three Little Words: WikiLeaks, Libya, Oil

"Libya has some of the biggest and most proven oil reserves — 43.6 billion barrels — outside Saudi Arabia, and some of the best drilling prospects."

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/component/acymailing/archive/view/listid-3-alerts-precis/mailid-74-three-little-words-wikileaks-libya-oil.html

[MariaThinks]

62. that is a 'logic flaw' in so many ways

you understand analysis and intelligence reports?

[Octafish]

63. Market value of that much oil ranges from $1/2 trillion to $15 trillion.

So, I can see why crooks like the neocons and neolibs would want to get their mits on it. Like in 2008 on DU2 I wrote:

Know your BFEE: War and Oil are just two longtime Main Lines of Business

As for understanding analysis and intelligence reports, here's more recent info on where I've posted about Somalia's reserves:

Your Military Industrial Complex at Work

On Dec. 8, 1992, after George Herbert Walker Bush was defeated at the polls by Bill Clinton with an assist from Ross Perot, he ordered the U.S. military into Somalia. Operation RESTORE HOPE was sold at the time as a "Humanitarian Mission," a phrase rarely used in conjunction with anything the guy did as president, as vice-president, as a Congressman from Texas or in his time at CIA for anyone other than his cronies and partners in crime.



What Poppy Bush's last new mission in Somalia did accomplish was to leave a crisis -- a huge dog turd in a burning bag of a crisis -- on the welcome mat at the front door of the White House for incoming President Bill Clinton. After that, things got off on the "right foot," from peace and prosperity for all to healthcare for the public and continued welfare for the wealthy. And the humanitarian mission? It quickly devolved into a fiasco of the first order, culminating in the disaster seared into the public consciousness as "Black Hawk Down."

Oh. Not that it's on tee vee or anything where millions might see it, but we're still in Somalia.

2014 OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=5131171

I'll be first to admit, it's not perfect, but I give it the old school try.

Speaking of which, I don't recall reading too much analysis and intelligence from you on this or any thread, MariaThinks.

I promise to keep a third eye out.

[amborin]

67. thanks for the info and links! one more, here:

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34728-after-the-black-hawks-arrived-in-somalia-a-history-of-us-meddling-continues

[WDIM]

53. Greed

with its own water, its own food, its own oil, its own money, and its own state-owned bank.

This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and was intended to be used to establish a pan-African currency based on the Libyan golden Dinar.

Greed is the reason behind all wars.

[FlatBaroque]

64. Libya was anti-Israel. That is what all the targeted countries have in common.

That's why Saudi Arabia, the world's most prolific sponsor of terrorism, is our ally.

[John Poet]

66. K & R