Please do not taunt Sanders supporters

[woolldog]

or make disparaging comments about Bernie. It's time for the party to heal. And we will all need each other in the summer and fall to beat a strong and unpredictable candidate in Trump.

The stakes for the country are too high for petty bickering that drives us apart. Again, it's time to unite and heal.

[Scootaloo]

1. No, no. Let 'em.

I like seeing what really lies within people.

[HooptieWagon]

4. Agreed. Let the corporatists show their true colors.

[Cavallo]

10. +10000

[840high]

26. +10001

[Flying Squirrel]

73. +10002

[Bucky]

106. +800

that's right I'm shorting the market and I'm gonna cash out fuckin' BIG!!

[nolabear]

87. I guess that shows your true colors.

[shadowandblossom]

90. I'm not a corporatist

I'm a former caretaker for a disabled person. I'm a former college student who is 30k in debt. I'm a person. I'm a voter who disagrees with you. I'm sorry that you are having a hard night. I really mean that.

[CajunBlazer]

35. No need to gloat - it isn't necessary

Hopefully they would be classy if the shoe were on the other foot.

[villager]

101. There certainly have been a lot of genies loosed that can't be put back in bottles, haven't there?

True colors, indeed....

[Godhumor]

2. I might really be wrong, but I'd guess the majority of Berners don't want to talk about uniting now

Not the time for the discussion, I think.

[restorefreedom]

7. yes, wiser words have rarely been spoken

at least from my perspective

good call, gh

[CajunBlazer]

46. Totally understood

If the roles were reversed right now I would want to talk about uniting right now. Maybe later, but not now. Hopefully Clinton supporters will be classy in victory.

[woolldog]

48. I understand.

This is more directed to my fellow Clinton supporters.

[bkkyosemite]

103. That is a correct assumption. And Bernie is not done yet!

[LonePirate]

3. HRC supporters should resist the gloating some Sanders' supporters exhibited last week.

[UMTerp01]

5. Yes don't...unlike last week when Bernie won Michigan

and some of Sanders supporters were about as arrogant about it as can be. Oh what a difference a week makes.

[Cavallo]

16. You should have seen the Hillary supporters minutes before the Sanders victory was announced.

[PowerToThePeople]

6. There is no way to heal

I am Bernie or Bust.

(Now, I may well cast a vote for HRC in the GE if it comes to that, but it will only to purchase me enough time to get my finances and situation in order the leave the USA for good.

Oligarchy will have won and the people will have lost. RIP USA.)

[randome]

17. You sound like you're a little dead inside, yourself.

'Bernie or bust' means that giving up is an option, right?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[PowerToThePeople]

21. I am not giving up

I am still alive and will survive. There is a world outside of the borders of this nation. Many of those places are much nicer than here.

[LibDemAlways]

18. You are correct. A Hillary Presidency will be great for Goldman Sachs and

those at the top of the economic food chain. The rest of us, not so much.

[Cavallo]

31. This is true. I do not want to leave the US but I fear round ups from Trump.

I will leave if he gets elected.

I'll definitely leave this site if it will be Hillary. I will not hang with corporatists. I do not understand why people would support the corporate lobbyists and I'm not buying their claimed ignorance about this and pretending Hillary is not for that. Her corporate funders are too public in her Superpac and I can google her words and watch her on you tube. These people are doing it knowingly. There is no way I will stay among that. I came here to be with Bernie supporters who want to regulate the corporations and stop bad trade agreements, Keystone XL, etc. Should I just delete my DU account now? I'll wait a little longer for Bernie to see if he pulls out and then I'm out of here if he doesn't. I want corporations out of my government and not be with people who want them in it. I will trust climate change to deal with them. Obviously with people like this in the Dem party, we may as well welcome our species dying planet. All these fracking supporters here. Hillary and a google says Hillary is massively pro fracking. Maybe I should just leave now.

[CajunBlazer]

52. Just curious....

....You have a fairly low post count. Were you a Democrat before Bernie announced his candidacy?

[Cavallo]

74. Yes. And I was on this board back in 2004. I don't remember why I quit.

I know now that I'm about to leave again. I suspect it is for the same reason.

I cannot be around neo cons. I know there are plenty of people here who are not neo cons. But, when I see people supporting a neo con, I figure they know exactly what they are doing and they are neo cons too.

Anyway, I've been registered as a Democrat since 1988 and have voted Democrat in every presidential election.

I posted on Common Dreams for years and I've found others in my few weeks here that were on Common Dreams.

This is not a site for me, so I shouldn't be on it. I am a Liberal Democrat. I didn't realize what I had walked in to.

I will stick with Democratic Sites - Liberal ones. I really ought to delete my account right now.

I'm sure I will by tomorrow. My friend who is posting here is asking me to give it a little longer but I have seen enough.

I came back here tonight to grab a link from a post I saw today. I did get some good info here which I appreciate.

Good luck to you liberals who are on this site. I couldn't do a site with so many neo cons.

I'll go find that link I came back for and then leave.

[CajunBlazer]

85. Just be aware of where other people stand in your estimation depends...

....mostly on your perspective. True conservatives and even neo conservatives view Hillary as very liberal. Those who evaluate candidates objectively classify Hillary as one of the most liberal senators of this era. I have also seen objective evaluations based on stances and votes of Clinton and Sanders along with every Democratic Presidential nominee for the last 60 years and Clinton was judged more liberal than all of previous Democratic nominees including Obama and Gore though she was to the right on Sanders who was well to the far left of everyone else.

So when you call Hilary a neo con that says more about where you fall on the political continuum then where Hillary falls. I would guess that you probably fall among the 3% most liberal people in the United states. Not that there is anything wrong with that?

[Hekate]

97. +1

[LibDemAlways]

8. Asking a Hillary supporter not to gloat is like

asking Trump not to engage in racist insults. Forget about it. Will never happen.

[Hortensis]

15. Oh, I don't know. Start a thread graciously congratulating

your HRC fellows on races well run and see what happens.

[LibDemAlways]

27. No thanks. For physical and mental health purposes,

I have already had to put a great many smug Hillary supporters on ignore. The list is long, so I can save myself the aggravation of all the additional gloating.

[Hortensis]

58. Ok. Tomorrow'll look better.

Bernie is in for the whole thing, and he is picking up delegates tonight.

[marions ghost]

78. Agree

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[Gwhittey]

61. I don't consider a race

Where Hillary lied about Sanders being a racist as a well run race. It is just a rat fucking race she ran. She probably could of won with out rat fucking but she could not bring her self to actually run a clean campaign. I do not vote for people that have to win by playing rat fucking politics.

[dlwickham]

81. and Lord knows Bernie or his supporters tossed any mud Hillary's way

right?

[artislife]

92. The candidate in your photo ran a bad campaign

in the eyes of the Left. You can say what you like about Bernie supporters, but his campaign was clean and on the issues. She and Bill have been slimy the whole way. Don't expect a lot of us to come together in November. Really. The numbers won't be the numbers you need.


The whole cycle could still have been hers even if there wasn't the DNC completely in the bag for her.


I got a piece of mail today from a William J Clinton whose address was in WA State. Yeah, it was from my state's Democratic party thanking me for my stellar attendance in voting in every election. They sent a surrogate paper for me to cast in the caucus in case I couldn't make it. The letter was from Bill, telling me how good a Democrat I was and to vote for Hilary. According to him, the biggest single game changer he ever met.

Eff that. I am going to caucus for Bernie. And hard.

[marew]

60. Oh, absolutely!

They are so like their Hillary. I will absolutely never vote for Hillary (or Trump for that matter).

[NCTraveler]

9. K&R nt

[ncliberal]

11. There will be no uniting.

I've been a Democrat my entire adult life. This will be the last week. I do not want to be a part of the current party. It no longer represents my values.

[840high]

28. I'll switch back to Indy

[JonLeibowitz]

49. Yep. At least until there are some good progressives to vote for, I'll be indy.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

100. after the Oregon primary i'm switching back too

Problem is, i have to decide between the progressive, pacific green and working family parties....

[Mike__M]

108. As I thought understood them

Working Families is for fusion, and OK with members belonging to other parties.
I could be wrong.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

109. yes, the others too

Many people register as dems so they can vote in the primary, then go back to whichever group they want. I think they have to have a certain amount of members to get on the ballots.

[TeeYiYi]

12. Um... no.

It's ok. It's primary season on DU. This is what it's about.

GoBernie! TakeIllinois!

TYY

[Broward]

13. I think for many the Party is already beyond repair.

[Bjorn Against]

14. They have spent the last year taunting us, I am not about to forgive them

They spent months smearing Bernie supporters as racists and misogynists, it is very obvious they did not care about out votes when they smeared us. If they think they can run a campaign by attacking Bernie supporters and then act as if they were our friends all along they are wrong.

If the Hillary campaign will attack Bernie supporters in the primary season I have no reason to believe she won't attack us if she becomes President.

[randome]

22. You're conflating a few DU hotheads with all Clinton supporters. I don't think that's warranted.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Bjorn Against]

32. No you are putting words in my mouth, I never said all supporters

I never specified anything about DU members either

I am talking about the Hillary campaign, the whole BernieBros meme did not start on DU. Sure there were plenty of Hillary supporters on this site that ran with the smear, but I don't blame all Hillary supporters. I put the responsibility where it belongs, with the Hillary campaign and their hired smear merchant David Brock.

[randome]

47. Okay, not meaning to put words into your mouth.

But people can see through the bullshit. For whatever reason, they chose Clinton tonight but I doubt it had much to do with David Brock and his cohorts.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Bjorn Against]

53. Brock and his cohorts were hired by Hillary to smear Bernie supporters

Whether or not that is what caused people to vote the way they did or not is not the issue.

The issue is that the Clinton campaign spent the primary season smearing people like me, and I can not vote for a candidate who launched baseless smears against me and my allies.

Would you vote for someone you felt had personally smeared you?

[randome]

62. I would always vote, if not for my own interests, then for the greater good.

And I see the greater good as, at its most basic level, voting Democratic over Republican. You don't have to see that as 'fear mongering' to know we're better off with Clinton in the White House than we would be with Trump. All of us would be better off.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[marew]

65. If you really believe voting for Hillary is the greater good

After all her corruption-

http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/watchdog-names-clinton-most-corrupt-politician-of-2015/

http://nypost.com/2016/01/18/hillary-clintons-caymans-tax-dodge-hypocrisy/

http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/ex-doj-official-twisted-hillary-scandal-is-felony-corruption/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zephyr-teachout/clintons-corruption-probl_b_8547556.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/why-hillary-clinton-shoul_b_4293469.html

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/11/report-fbi-now-investigating-hillarys-state-department-for-corruption/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/05/31/clintons_corruption_126800.html

http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-are-hillarys-22-biggest-scandals-ever/

http://shoebat.com/2015/04/23/hillary-clinton-is-corrupt-and-100-pure-evil/

And on and on and on...

You may be a bit confused...

[Jim Lane]

83. A vote for an imperfect candidate can indeed be for the greater good.

You survived an alert by 2-5. I post to state that I was in the majority voting to leave it alone but I did so despite my belief that your post is very fundamentally wrong.

We'll almost certainly face a situation in which there are only two people who have a realistic chance of becoming President, and in which there are significant differences between those two. If there are flaws in the Democrat (be it Clinton or Sanders) but much greater flaws in the Republican, then, yes, voting for the flawed Democrat does tend to promote the greater good.

There are some people who say, "I just couldn't vote for Clinton, even against an opponent like Trump or Cruz who's even worse." I don't share that feeling but I understand it. If you try to deny that the opponent actually is worse, though, then I can only conclude that you're so focused on your current opposition to Clinton that you're overlooking the bigger picture.

I expect to vote for Sanders in my state's primary. I expect that, in the general election, I'll vote for the same candidate Sanders does. I hope that, if Clinton does win the nomination, you'll reconsider. Sanders will, I'm sure, be recommending a vote for Clinton, if she's the nominee, precisely on grounds of the greater good.

[marew]

93. Hillary is much more than imperfect.

I would say you are the one overlooking the bigger picture. There are numerous other candidates I would be happy to vote for.
Reinforcing the Clinton/Wasserman Schultz superdelegate situation where these special delegates can ignore the will of the electorate makes me sick. We are no longer one person, one vote. It is all rigged. And Hillary gladly, jubilantly, goes along with it.
Virtually every male in my family has served in the military. My great, great grandfather, fighting for the Union, was severely injured in the battle of Gettysburg on 7/1/1863 and was discharged due to his injuries. My father fought in WWII and Korea and only once told me something her saw. My uncle was in the water for days when the Indianapolis was sunk. My son fought in Desert Storm. Was all that dedication to country wasted? I am sure the brave men and women in our military did not risk their lives so Clinton and Wasserman Schultz could plot to subvert the will of American citizens by the used of superdelegates. You do know that the DNC and Hillary's campaign share the same office in some places. That is so intrinsically wrong and entirely violates everything Wasserman Schultz should stand for!
Of course my post would be alerted- I would expect nothing less here. People want to keep their blinders on. Truth is their worst enemy. They have bought into the cult of Hillary.
A few days ago someone posted an unfavorable comment made by someone involved in government. Without even checking the Hillary supporter called the person who had originally composed the comment a "right-wing" hack. I did the research and the person who had originally composed that comment regarding Hillary was a speech writer for Robert F. Kennedy. Can you understand what we are dealing with here? Integrity in US government is in its death throes. The oligarchy reigns supreme.
I will not betray the generations of my family who risked their lives serving in the US Military by voting for the corruption emerging in the Democratic Party. The trajectories planned by both Trump and Clinton are weakening and will weaken our system of government and I will not be a part of the destruction and desecration of the country I hold so dear.

[LeFleur1]

107. Right Wing Liars

You are either one of the right wing liars or gullible. See, when Bernie's supporters toss out stuff like these old lies and twisted truths and then whine and cry that they are being attacked it shows that those who continue to do it are not interested in truth. If you want to have it your way or the highway, that is your right. But do it without quoting the lies and innuendos.

[marew]

114. I feel sorry for you.

None are so blind as those who will not to see.

Perhaps you could do some honest research yourself. Look at the mountains and mountains of evidence out there. Her positions on numerous issues change like the wind. Hillary continues to make horrendous gaffes almost on a daily basis. Please take off your blinders and deal with reality.

Do you really believe it is honest and fair for Wasserman Schultz and Hillary to subvert the will of the people by the use of superdelagates who are in no way expected to follow the will of the voters? Do you believe it is fair and correct for Wasserman Schultz's DNC and Hillary's campaign to share the same office. If Hillary is the person you claim her to be, she would reject even the appearance of any impr0priety! Yet she does not! And the DNC chairman is expected not to show any favoritism during the primaries.

A few days ago someone posted a response to a comment from somewhere else by Jeff Greenfield and called him a right wing hack. I researched Jeff Greenfield and he was a speech writer for Robert F. Kennedy. I do not consider him a right wing hack- perhaps you do simply because he told an unpleasant truth about Hillary.

So are all the Kennedys, living and dead, right wing hacks by association? In your extremist view obviously your answer is yes.

[Bjorn Against]

68. I am going to vote

Bernie is my first choice, but if he does not get it Jill Stein is my backup.

[marew]

63. Agree with all your posts! n/t

[Buzz cook]

112. I voted for Obama twice.

And his campaign Said I was a racist old fashioned Reagan democrat.

[ljm2002]

19. Too fucking late, really...

...there won't be any healing IMO. Clinton is divisive and a weak GE candidate, and her supporters love nothing better than to taunt Sanders supporters.

Well as they say, you reap what you sow. Since Clinton and her supporters have sowed divisiveness, that is what they will reap. And yes, we will all lose as a result.

Enjoy your Trump Presidency. I sure won't.

[marew]

66. +1! n/t

[Ilsa]

20. It's the sort of thing that makes the difference between

A. Staying home on election day, or
B. Getting out and voting for down-ticket Dems, or
C. Voting for Hillary as well as dtD, or
D. Supporting her candidacy with a bumpersticker, yardsign, or contribution as well as dtD.

[Recoverin_Republican]

23. Hillary supporters, you should be able to REFRAIN from responding in kind.

[KingFlorez]

24. I'll just dance

[Joe the Revelator]

25. Don't be fucking condescending.

[cwydro]

33. Wow, that was nice.

Not.

Smh.

[Joe the Revelator]

34. Thank you 1993 Dana Carvey.

[aidbo]

111. This suit is black, pause, Naaaaawt!

[mvd]

29. Thank you

Hillary has had a great night. I admit it may be time for me to come to a reluctant acceptance about her. Bernie is so much better IMO - just don't understand the Clinton support. But you are right - we have to beat Trump.

This is more than about Bernie, and his campaign has me very optimistic about a future Dem party that is more progressive.

[Punkingal]

41. Why would you be optimistic about the future of the dem party?

It's gone and it won't come back.

[mvd]

51. Sanders support levels, and young people

Of course we need those young people to vote and be engaged. But those are two factors. If Hillary gets it, we should have another try in 8 years as long as the movement Bernie started continues.

[marions ghost]

79. Sanders support is not just young people

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[mvd]

91. True, I am almost 40

When I first came to DU, I was 25. How time flies. I just said that because the youth vote is a positive for the future.

[Aerows]

84. If Hillary gets the nomination

and somehow manages to win the GE, she'll never make it 4 years, much less 8. Republicans will find some way to impeach her and force her to resign. I foresee a lot of trouble on the way if she gets the nomination.

The Clinton Foundation is just sitting there, waiting for Republicans to not shut up about it - foreign donors after she made arms deals at 143% the rate of the Secretary of State before her.

The Clinton-led State Department also authorized $151 billion of separate Pentagon-brokered deals for 16 of the countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation, resulting in a 143 percent increase in completed sales to those nations over the same time frame during the Bush administration

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

Then there is the email situation that is a pain in the ass.

There will be a new revelation/scandal-mongering every week. I fear we are in for a very rough ride if she becomes our nominee.

[Cavallo]

50. Are you kidding. Hillary and Bernie are on opposite sides of the spectrum.

I can't shift to pro fracking, keystone xl, tpp and corporate lobbyists like that. Your flexibility is amazing.

[mvd]

56. I understand. I don't like this at all either

Trump getting in would be even more disastrous though. I want to prevent him from getting in. If so, Canada is looking good. I have relatives in Brazil - that could be another option even though I don't know them other than a little chatting online.

[book_worm]

30. We won't act like they did when they won Michigan by 1.5% last week.

[Joe the Revelator]

36. I see what you did there.

[bigtree]

38. there has been very little graciousness from the Sanders side

...Hillary supporters here deserve to act like they're winners, without any regard at all to the nasty insults and disparaging remarks toward the candidate and supporters which make up the Sanders campaign here.

Wait for it, gloom and doom about the general...I don't have a lot of goodwill for a majority here which has treated Hillary like a criminal and questioned the principles of her supporters. If comity requires accepting some kind of inferiority status for supporting the leader in this primary, count me out. It's past time here to give our primary leader the credit and support due. If Sanders folks can't manage that, they don't deserve an inch of understanding.

[mvd]

40. I disagree

I have seen just as much or more from the Clinton side. Guess which candidate you support shapes perspective.

[farleftlib]

42. this from a poster who posts nothing

but angry screeds against Sanders instead of positive ones about his candidate. What a joke coming from him.

[mvd]

44. Hi

Actually haven't noticed his posts much. But my ignore list has grown a bit. Was at zero before the primaries started.

[bigtree]

45. blocked

[Bobbie Jo]

77. Well said. nt

[Scootaloo]

43. Clearly. We celebrated it.

You and your fellows are already sneering and spitting.

it's a fascinating contrast, innit?

[Renew Deal]

89. You mean the virtual tie in Michigan?

[Persondem]

37. But, but ... oh, okay. I'll play nice ... unless I see some more lies posted about Clinton. K&R nt

[DCBob]

39. I hope they feel the same.

We need everyone to win this thing.

[bigtree]

54. that's not going to happen on this board

...far too many would need to repudiate all of the talk about Hillary as some enemy to their interests.

I really don't think the 300 or so Sanders DUers who regularly post and rec anti-Hillary diatribes here will make a speck of difference in the general election, especially if they balk and fold.

Allan Brauer ‏@allanbrauer 32m32 minutes ago
Vaya con Dios, mi Bernie.

[Beacool]

55. I agree.

Let's remember that we need to be united in the fall to defeat the most unqualified nominee that either party has had in recent memory.

[SidDithers]

57. I think Hillary supporters are entitled to a bit of celebration...nt

Sid

[Lizzie Poppet]

59. Sadly, you're way too late for that.

Post after classless, gloating post in multiple threads...

Seriously reconsidering my pledge to vote for Hillary if my state is close...and it's her asshat supporters that are the cause. I honestly came here just now to post a congratulations, like a couple Hillary supporters with an actual sense of grace (like you) did after Michigan.

Fuck that...

[marew]

67. +1! n/t

[Skid Rogue]

64. I agree...

but there's been a lot of Hillary hating. We're going to have to take a deep breath and put that behind us. So, please give everyone that second.

[Betty Karlson]

99. Interesting use of the past perfect.

Because I can tell you that after her glutinous praise for Nancy Reagan and her half-hearted apology and her "elaboration" the next day,

I still hate her. And I will continue to do so.

F*CK homophobia in all its forms. (Even the ones with ovaries.)

[Gothmog]

69. Agreed

Sanders is a good man and most of us like many of his positions

[RobinA]

70. I Mostly See

Hillary bashing. As usual.

[Number23]

71. I do as well. And the usual "the smartest and realest Dems have been shut out" stuff from the usual

crowd. I guess forgetting that it was Sanders that got Repub and independent votes in the primaries.

I just got on DU and I've already seen five OPs and countless posts from people saying how the Dem party has sold them out, how only the smartest voted for xyz and even more Hillary bashing. I don't see how people are looking at this and deciding its Hillary supporters -- the few remaining ones that haven't been run off and harassed from the site -- that need to be gentle.

[liberal N proud]

72. Like if the tables were turned

[Codeine]

75. I've been assured we're goddamned fascists.

As a goddamned fascist - though newly-minted and as yet unsure in the ways of my people - I'm pretty sure I have to gloat.

[Bobbie Jo]

80. LOL!

[NurseJackie]

76. They have (and continue) to make it very difficult so not to do.

After having to endure so much bitterness, I shall enjoy the sweetness of tonight's victories and all that it portends. Celebrate tonight, heal later.

[Armstead]

82. You have it ass backwards...Before you can do any celebrating healing will be required

Otherwise you may not have anything to celebrate in November. Even if Bernie ends up with like 40 percent of votes, those are votes Clinton is gonna need.

[jfern]

95. They think Hillary will get them all after their year long scorched earth

burn all the bridges campaign.

[shadowandblossom]

86. I agree. We should all be respectful and treat others how we would want to be treated.

I hope Hillary supporters will practice the golden rule and treat Sander's supporters the way you would want to be treated in their shoes. This is a hard blow and both sides are very invested in their people. We need more love and kindness, so let's practice that.

[Renew Deal]

88. Sanders supported should be treated just as politely as Sanders supporters have treated others

[jfern]

94. Why have them stop now after all they've done the last year?

[Hekate]

96. Wouldn't dream of it

[Warren DeMontague]

98. I don't let the bullshit some ginkus says on the internet influence who I'm gonna vote for, anyway

"Oh, I'm not voting for so-and-so because one of their supporters said something mean on twitter!"

That's, like, political decisionmaking for six year olds.

[Funtatlaguy]

102. Agreed. This is not a sporting event.

Although, the media has tried to make it one.
They came up with the red and blue teams.
They almost exclusively concentrate on the horse race rather than policy.
Someone like Trump can take all the air out of the room with his outrageous comments that are like catnip to the networks.

Our country could really use a good colonic.

[Bucky]

105. Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball

[pinebox]

110. The damage is done

and the reality is millions will NEVER support Hillary.

[woolldog]

113. It's a shame that millions will do that

and risk handing the Presidency to a nut like Trump. If you think Hillary is bad, Trump will be many times worse.

[UglyGreed]

115. Well with the new rules

your wishes seem to have fallen on deaf ears............

[aikoaiko]

116. It doesn't matter anymore.

[Prism]

117. We've been called racists and misogynists for 10 months. Why stop now?

Frankly, I think the attack on Trump's white supremecy ties is hilarious. Warranted, certainly, but hilarious. I mean, what's really the difference there. Trump appeals to awful white men, and apparently Sanders did, too. How many scores of posts about how awful white people and men are did Clinton supporters throw down, and how much joy did they take in that bigotry?

Are people now saying they want all that racist and misogynistic support after all?

Clinton could have and should have won this campaign cleanly. She didn't. This is who she is.

I believe her.

Too many of her supporters could have promoted issues and made fairly decent cases based on boring, but politically valid establishment arguments.

They didn't. From Day 1, they started their personal campaign of "Count the Brown People" (which should have been offensive to everyone who witnessed it, but partisans gonna partisan). They wanted to play bigoted cards full of racial and gender division. This is who they are.

I believe them.

Why on earth would I expect them to be kind and thoughtful advocates now?

And you know, it's not even like this behavior is recent. A lot of the names I've seen engaging in this stuff have been like this for years around here. LGBTers still have the handprints on their faces from a lot of these folks.

What, now that Clinton is closer to her trophy, they're suddenly going to be nice?

That is . . . magnanimous and optimistic of you to believe.

Here's how this will go down. As soon as presumptive nominee is set, they're going to run around and try and ban and shut down and authoritarian to hell and back to get rid of undesirables. That'll be entertaining.

I believe who they tell me they are.