2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOH, OHIO. Someone asked about 'old-timers' still here. How many remember 2004 OHIO+Diebold+BUSH?
Truthfully, As a Sanders supporter and DU 'old timer' I never even considered Clinton could lose in OHIO.
I've been saying it for days and taking the flack from most of my family for saying it out loud.
It was just never going to happen.
Not after what happened in Michigan.
Because I can still remember this:
How Ohio was "Delivered" to Bush
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/2004votefraud_ohio.html
I know it's not the GE, but we should all have kept an eye on OHIO (and others) because they haven't changed a thing that I've heard about. Except that Blackwell is gone, right?
Sour grapes? Maybe. But I wish the ELECTION FRAUD (because we all know it was NEVER 'Voter Fraud') issues hadn't been forgotten after that election. Ohio in particular is still among the worst of the worst because they know how much power they have to offer the right paymaster.
Yep. Just my opinion. But it's based on a long history of research and observation.
And DU seems to have lost it's big Election Fraud movement some time ago.
And so OHIO and others will remain questionable to me and many many others forever.
Once you've read that,
Remember this:
The Clintons have become the new Bushes; the new American Political Dynasty.
"W" calls Hillary his sister-in-law and he has called Bill his "brother from another mother".
I'm sure plenty of good tricks have been passed on through THAT connection.
And then remember these:
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Metric System
(6,048 posts)PM Martin
(2,660 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Lots of colorful theories, but no hard evidence.
Sorry, but we just lost.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Ohio and Florida both have had issues with voting irregularities. It will be interesting to watch the Florida results in November. Will they come in as quickly as they did tonight?
My cousins in Cuyahoga Co. in Ohio are now Republicans. My other cousin in Summit Co. is probably voting for Trump. Sad because he once voted for JFK.
Despite the loss in NC our friends in Buncombe Co. (Best place in NC) are strongly for Bernie. Yeah Asheville!
Curious that Cuyahoga Co. has very little reporting. They have 975 precincts with only 20 reporting so far.
Need one of these
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)in this primary or in the general election. I'm a Bernie supporter..from day one, hour one and before so excepting him, I believe that tptb can choose whomever they want, and we'lll just have to deal with it. Just like when bush stole the election. I would bet there are shenanigans in Ohio tonight. I don't know what it is, but count on finding out something..even in a primary.