In case anyone is interested in the delegates gained tonight (rather than states)

[DLnyc]

Although we all get into the excitement of winning and losing states, the Democratic nomination is apparently to be decided by delegates, not by number of states won. Winning a state by a couple of percentage points does not net you a lot more delegates. And in fact you could come out 'winning' a state but getting fewer delegates, due to the algorithms different states use. Here are numbers I have found so far, on Green Papers:

. . . . Clinton . . . Sanders
FL___93_______57
NC___61______46
OH__78_______65
IL___43_______49
MO__31_______34
___________________
___306_______251

So looks like Clinton will increase her lead by about 50 or 60 delegates, not quite the wipeout that some people are trying to make it seem like. Interesting to me is that Sanders may come out of Illinois with more delegates than Hillary despite that we will be told he 'lost' that state.

edit to add: and apparently we will also be told she 'won' Missouri, although it looks like Sanders will get more delegates!

[New Earth]

1. thank you for this!

that's definitely not a wipeout.

[DLnyc]

9. Yes, not at all a wipeout. We were told she would close all chances for Sanders tonight.

Instead she got a small bump!

[FourScore]

55. They were saying on CNN and MSNBC that she would get AT LEAST 100 more after tonight.

Thank you so much for this post!

[brush]

42. Those numbers are wrong. Clinton swept all the states . . .

That list has Sanders winning two states.

[Skwmom]

2. It's not. With all of her advantages, it shows what a weak candidate she is.

[radical noodle]

8. Not really

The difference between Hillary and Obama was similar, yet he won easily.

[jcgoldie]

18. Obamas lead was never close

to as large as Hillarys right now

[radical noodle]

26. So she certainly isn't a weak candidate

Thanks!

[Skwmom]

24. Hillary Clinton is NO Obama. People could believe in Obama b/c he had no real record. Alas,

the same can't be said about Clinton.

[DrDan]

61. the popular vote would suggest otherwise

[oldandhappy]

3. Thank you. Consoling news!

[griffi94]

4. yeah bernie won

by finishing second and losing ground via delegates

[scottie55]

49. With The Entire Media Aligned Against Him

And 95% of the party infrastructure.

And he doesn't complain when we all know how badly he is being screwed.

If Bernie won and got the money out of politics, who would buy all them ads?

The media has already announced Hillary the winner before the first ballot was cast.

Plus all the "elites" who are riding in the first car on the gravy train.

America you do not even know how screwed you are.

[lmbradford]

5. lol

Not much of a gain for such a big night!! Now hold on as we go get Bernies states!!

[winter is coming]

6. Interesting news. Thanks for posting this. n/t

[SidDithers]

7. Those aren't complete numbers...

There are 691 delegates being awarded tonight. Your total is only 557. You're missing 134 delegates.

Hillary's gain will be closer to 105 or 110.

Which really is quite a wipeout.

Sid

[Gregorian]

15. That's more like it. Thanks.

[DLnyc]

34. Yes, not complete, we'll see how much she might get

FL: 214 - (93+57) = 64 still out. But those will come from 12 specific districts, where she has been picking up 0, 1 or 2 per district, according to the green papers page: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/FL-D (scroll down to see their calculations)

NC: all in
OH: all in
IL 156-(43+49)=64 still out. But again these come from 11 specific districts, and Sanders may actually gain delegates here. http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/IL-D
MO: 71-(31+34)=6 still out. Just 1 district out, again Sanders may actually gain, I don't know. http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/MO-D

Actually, the process is pretty complicated, I certainly don't know all the ins and outs, the numbers could swing either way before the dust settles in a few days, but so far I don't see much more than a 50 point gain. I would love to see where you are getting 105 or 110, is that just a guess or is that a calculation somewhere?

[Hiraeth]

46. ....

[kath]

10. Looks like she will only win IL by 1%. (I don't know how to predict the delegate count.

[DLnyc]

35. Here is a link

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/IL-D

Scroll down past the first table, they have an explanation of how the delegates are awarded and a table showing their calculations so far.

[Gregorian]

11. That's a far smaller spread than I expected.

What is the delegate count that wins? I have forgotten how this works.

[Gregorian]

21. Note to self: 2,382

[marions ghost]

12. OK thanx for the math

[SidDithers]

13. #berniemath is different from real math...nt

Sid

[marions ghost]

20. Still, not too bad

better than expected for today

THANK YOU Bernie voters!

[Godhumor]

14. Those are incomplete numbers

The spread is much wider.

[DLnyc]

37. See my post #37

I addressed that. How do you figure the spread is much wider? I would be interested to see, I'm trying to figure it out.

[Godhumor]

41. Because that is how it works. Try the NY Times tool

And the NY Times has further along estimates than Green Papers

All numbers are still incomplete, but so far:

FL +64 Hillary (Will increase)
NC +17
OH +21
IL +4
Missouri not allocated yet

Thats +106 and will increase again when FL finishes allocation.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Sanders is 320 behind

but she has gotten about 45% of the total.

I hope the math helps, but... I hope to be wrong and eat fricasseed crow. Can you give me a Chianti with it? Maybe a side of mashed potatoes and green beans?

[DLnyc]

38. I get 262 at the moment.

But the whole thing seems to shift constantly, hard to get a handle on it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. That is why I wait for the morning

I went from the NY Times numbes

[PFunk1]

17. So if I get this right it looks like a defeat NOT a beat down.

Which means Bernie's still in the running with states favorable to him coming up. Talk about silver lining folks.

[hopemountain]

51. yes, go directly to the state government pages

for the most accurate counts. the msm is always off.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. By the way this is a nice site

though they will update in the morning


http://www.vox.com/a/presidential-primary-delegate-tracker

[DLnyc]

40. nice, thanks

[840high]

56. Thanks Nadin.

[Corey_Baker08]

22. I Thought Ohio & Florida Are Winner Take All States?

[Codeine]

25. All Democratic primaries are proportional.

Only the Republicans do winner-take-all, and very few of them.

[DrDan]

62. for R's

[Codeine]

23. Those numbers are running behind. nt

[StevieM]

27. The issue of declaring wins in a state based on the vote total has long since been settled.

In 1992 Bill Clinton suffered a devastating loss to Jerry Brown in Connecticut, while winning more delegates in that state. Clinton was already considered the eventual nominee, so it was particularly embarrassing. It was a huge story at the time. To some extent, it precipitated Ross Perot's entry into the race.

In 2008 Hillary Clinton came in 3rd in Iowa, while being projected to win one more delegate than John Edwards. Her third place showing was a big story that she was relentlessly hammered with in the run-up to the New Hampshire Primary.

Also in 2008, Hillary Clinton was universally declared the winner of the Nevada Caucuses, even as then Senator Obama picked up more delegates. All the networks called Hillary the winner, and she was on the front page of most papers the next day.

[BernieforPres2016]

28. CNN just had tonight's delegate count at 297-194 n/t

[liberal_at_heart]

29. Thanks. We're still in the fight. All the way to the convention.

[onenote]

30. This is inaccurate. Why do folks persist in posting inaccurate information.

There are nearly 700 delegates being awarded tonight. The OP accounts for 557 of them. Other sites that account for all delegates show Clinton with a net gain of around 100 on the night. I think the suggestion that Clinton will win Illinois by over 30,000 votes but end up with fewer delegates also is mistaken. There are 156 delegates up for grabs and the OP accounts for less than 100 of them.

[Bluenorthwest]

64. For the sake of accuracy how many is 'nearly 700' in actual hard numbers?

nt

[onenote]

66. 691 to be exact

Which is a lot closer to "700" than 50 is to over 100.

[Trust Buster]

31. Now for the truth. Hillary picked up 390 pledged delegates tonight. Good evening.

[JimDandy]

32. Good temp info! We'll get the final shakeout tomorrow, I'm sure. n/t

[GusBob]

33. You are lying

We ain't stupid

[Waiting For Everyman]

36. Yes, winning is mostly a psychological boost,

the percentage of delegates is about what we expected.

Now if Sanders had lost by a lot in OH, IL, and MO, that would be a setback.

Endurance is what counts at this point.

(I "Trash Can" a lot of threads by certain folks, it improves the view; click the little tiny box at the end of the thread title on the GDP page -- poof, it's gone; there's also a button just under the OP on the left side.)

[RoccoR5955]

43. EXACTLY!

Glad to see that someone else here can look at reason, unlike the Clinton supporters who are merely gloating, thinking that they won EVERYTHING. They fail to understand that these are proportional races. Oh, and they keep thinking that the super delegates will remain with Clinton until the end. These non-committed delegates shall change. They always do.
It is still well within the realm of possibility that Bernie can pull this off.
NO SURRENDER, NO DEFEAT!

[justaddh2o]

48. Exactly!

It's proportional. And it's not over by a long shot.

[DLnyc]

44. Interesting discussion. We'll see what the numbers are when the dust clears.

Certainly the delegates are awarded proportionally, but it's hard to follow the exact criteria.

Green Papers has stopped showing some of the charts now, which is too bad, because they seemed to explain the process a bit.

It's way past my bedtime, thanks everyone for your comments, and good night!

[Cryptoad]

45. NYT reporting completely different numbers.

u can't count delegates until 100% of the vote is in,

[hopemountain]

57. yes - total descrepancy even at the

state election pages. it should clear up in a couple of days.

[Stand and Fight]

47. If that's the reality you want to manufacture to cope...

I wish you the best. I only hope you wake up and reassess things.

[RoccoR5955]

60. And hopefully

you will not be hit unexpected when the truth hits you.

[Stand and Fight]

67. You're saying something without saying anything at all. Congrats! :D

[RoccoR5955]

68. Right

Just remember what I said in the future, okay?

[Stand and Fight]

69. I've never been good with remember nonsense. Okay?

[RoccoR5955]

70. Okay,

I just hope your are not knocked down when the REAL truth hits you in the back of the head like a brick!
That's not nonsense either!

[Cassiopeia]

50. These numbers are still working out.

It's not this close, but it's still closer than polling expected.

It's not over, we've just arrived to the point where Sanders starts winning and winning by bigger margins.

[AzDar]

52. K & R

[ucrdem]

53. Current AP delegate award: (+326) to (+220)

Total delegates: 2,382 to win, 691 in play in these 5 contests

Sanders total -- 800 (+220)

Clinton total -- 1,561 (+326)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-news-guide-trump-clinton-win-florida/2016/03/15/e6f97c28-eb0c-11e5-a9ce-681055c7a05f_story.html

[Norrin Radd]

54. kr

[Spitfire of ATJ]

58. Like I posted just now in another thread, it's not "winner take all"....

And it's EARLY.

[Betty Karlson]

59. The edit is the best part.

The establishment is so clueless.

Bold writing is on the wall, and all of a sudden they want to be analphabetics.

[Adrahil]

63. FYI: delegate allocations are not complete.

HRC will extend her lead by 100+ delegates.

[jcgoldie]

65. These numbers are not even close

She will end up gaining between 100 and 150 delegates it appears