2016 Postmortem
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Congrats America!!!
Congrats Democratic Party!!!
I'm going to finish my bottle of wine
DURHAM D
(32,604 posts)the FBI investigation of the emails. poor things
stonecutter357
(12,693 posts)mvd
(65,157 posts)I can't think of one thing inspiring about Clinton except it would be nice to have a woman President. And congrats to her devotees, but that one factor isn't swaying me. Rather it was someone like Warren.
peace13
(11,076 posts)It's not something to base a vote on IMO.
LisaM
(27,792 posts)as President.
jfern
(5,204 posts)LisaM
(27,792 posts)You're welcome to disagree, though. Though we've only had one Catholic president, so maybe that will make you feel better.
I'd definitely be supporting Warren over Biden, but Bernie is much better than Hillary.
It appears the position on issues, integrity and truth have taken a back seat to gender. I wish it had been Warren as well.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I was walking on air for months when Obama was nominated then elected. That was inspiring.
A candidate spouting machismo soundbites re: Ghaddafi's death and sniper fire fantasies really doesn't seem all that different from the various war hawks we have seen in congress and among nominees.
It is a sad state of affairs and people are so hooked on the idea of making history that they disregard the reality of nominating someone who may work well in small friendly groups but is one of the worst candidates I have seen on the national stage or when she is critiicized directly.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Eight years ago you could go to an Obama rally and there would be people of all ages and races, together. People looked out for one another. Disrupters were met with civilized talk and compassion. I felt like Bernie's functions were like that. I wasn't able to go to any of his. Our world has changed and not for the better.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)hate to point this out but the Greens have done that for a while already.
I am a nerd about accuracy.
And here is the full list, which goes farther afield.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates
Stallion
(6,473 posts)I actually thought of that
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)ecstatic
(32,641 posts)I think the green party has nominated women in the past.
greymouse
(872 posts)had Claire Booth Luce put up for the nomination, although she did not win the nomination, of course.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)(No matter how many ways the petty try to take it away.) I can't believe this is happening in my time. Just incredible. I'm amazed by some of these petty little adolescent jerks though.
smiley
(1,432 posts)but my amazement is at petty comments such as yours.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)greymouse
(872 posts)pukes on Hillary.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)Have a great day with lots of sunshine
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Because she hasn't, and she is moving into ever less favorable territory.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Clinton Campaign: dehumanising the base since 1992. "Who else are they gonna vote for?"
And if we are talking "math": usually divisions don't render outcomes higher than what you started with. How's that bridge-burning working out for you guys?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It comes down to delegates. You need delegates to win.
I'm sorry if reality has a Clinton bias, but there ya go.
As for bridge burning... I'm not burning any bridges. I think Bernie is raising important issues. And if he were to get the nomination, I'd support him.
There is no Hillary or Bust movement, after all.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)She will win New York and PA and likely California.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Or is this just an assumption on your part?
livetohike
(22,119 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)I guess that's what the Democratic Party stands for these days...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Half of all Americans are female, cutting across all voter groups. It's certainly past time!
Logical
(22,457 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)I don't think so.
There is no guarantee she will win overall. With this last round of voting, the dems are likely to lose a lot of votes. My wife and I may be 2 of them. Even more won't vote for the oligarchy, once it's official.
The fact that America has continued to support an oligarch society is beyond my comprehension. I mean, "Are we this fucking stupid to continue down our disastrous path with the SOS"?
Think about this......
A lot of Bernie fans will not vote for HRC. Independents and republicans that moved in the Bernie camp are most likely to not vote for her, and potentially go for the GOP candidate.
My wife and I agree. If Trump wins, we're moving out of the country.
We just pissed away our LAST chance to fix this country, and bring back true democracy. Now how fucking stupid is that?
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Millennials and indies both say by a margin of 85% that they will be happy to vote for Hillary in the GE over Trump or Cruz.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Show me proof. 85%. Either way, do you think she can survive losing 15% of the party? Especially since Trump is bringing them out of the woodwork. How many in a row has he won? Hmmm. How many times have I heard that republicants are voting in record numbers.
We all know when voter turnout is low, we lose.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)28% of Republicans will not vote for Trump as the nominee
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Yay us
Autumn
(44,973 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)greymouse
(872 posts)a disgrace to women everywhere. The Margaret Thatcher of the US.