Bernie tried to win Illinois by attacking a fellow Democrat (Rahm Emmanuel). Whoops!

[Freddie Stubbs]

Hillary squeaked by with a margin of 34,000 votes in Illinois. She would not have won without the 55,000 vote margin she garnered in Chicago. Sanders thought that he could score some easy points by kicking another Democrat when he was down. Kharma's a bitch, isn't it?

[Kalidurga]

1. Are you serious?

You think Rahm Emmanuel is cool after what he did?

[Lizzie Poppet]

4. For some, the party brand is EVERYTHING.

No matter how despicable the turd wearing it is, apparently...

[eggman67]

116. If Trump were running as a D

He'd be A-OK with the brand loyalty folks, IMO. Sad but true.

[ibegurpard]

8. Yeah he's serious

Go Team!
Or something...

[Freddie Stubbs]

50. What specifically did he do?

[TM99]

52. Well besides hippie punching

and calling the progressive left 'retards', recently he lied and hid a video of the murder of Laquan McDonald. Had he released it, he would have easily have been beat by Chuy Garcia given the damning evidence.

That you believe Rham is a 'fellow Democrat' is exactly what has gone wrong with the Third Way take-over of the Democratic Party.

[Freddie Stubbs]

54. Do you have proof the he personally hid the video?

[timmymoff]

57. Do you

have proof Hillary didn't offer Wall St. favorable positions in her speeches?

[bettyellen]

63. C'mon Freddie, they saw it on House of Cards. Isn't that enough?

[Freddie Stubbs]

82. Rather than name calling, how about posting some proof of that?

[Odin2005]

104. He called us "fucking retarded".

[PoliticAverse]

2. Clinton was smart enough not to be seen with Emmanuel when she visited Chicago.

Your post implies Sanders' position cost him votes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. I think it shaved her victory margin a bit but most folks saw through it...

After all he was the beloved president's former Chief of Staff.

[tonedevil]

23. Who hid police misconduct...

so he could get reelected mayor of Chicago. Nice hero you have there.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. He is not my hero...He's a bad guy...

But thank you for suggesting he is...It's no more unexpected of you trying to tie me to him than the Vermont independent trying to tie him to Clinton.

[tonedevil]

41. I guess you just wanted...

to point out President Obama's role in bringing the very sleazy Mayor Emanuel to power. I would have been afraid of being accused of throwing President Obama under the bus.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. I suspect President Obama chose him because he's a tough guy and for prior support.

He went from being a tough guy to being a bad guy. Sometimes the two are mutually exclusive, sometimes they aren't, and unfortunately in this instance they weren't.

I really don't see how you can lay the mayor's perfidy and malfeasance at Secretary Clinton or President Obama's feet. IMHO, it was a cynical attempt to try.

[LondonReign2]

60. Beloved?

There are a lot of ways you could describe Rahm but I don't think beloved is one of them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. Res ipsa loquitur

"... After all he was the beloved president's former Chief of Staff."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1504413

[LondonReign2]

65. Ahhh, got ya

[riversedge]

3. Sanders wasted a lot of his donor's $$ on those vicious attack ads.

[oasis]

32. Don't forget that banner airplane they hired. "Hiilary=Rahm".

[riversedge]

96. yes, I recall ready about that. That must have been a pretty penny

[Beacool]

84. One of the talking heads said last night that Sanders outspent Hillary in all 5 states.

Sometimes throwing more money at an election doesn't mean much, if people can't be dissuaded from voting for the opponent.

[CalvinballPro]

92. Kind of ironic for the candidate claiming that money buys elections, no?

He's outspent Clinton nearly everywhere, and is still losing.

[timmymoff]

113. No real irony

it's not super pac, it's not wall st. . it's not big pharma, it's not fracking interests, it's not private prison money, it's not wal- mart, it's not the defense industry, It's just good ole americans.

[CalvinballPro]

121. Sanders says money buys elections, spends more money, loses elections. That's textbook irony.

He's being fleeced by his campaign strategist Tad Devine, who as a consultant gets a percentage commission out of all of the media purchases that the campaign arranges.

[oasis]

98. He should have spent money on better campaign managers.

Devine and Weaver are the Beavis and Butthead of politics.

[Agnosticsherbet]

102. It seems to be harder to buy an election than rumored.

In Nevada he also spent a huge amount of money, as I recall.

[Vattel]

108. But the Clinton campaign and surrogates lied their asses off there.

Sometimes dirty politics beats money I guess.

[Agnosticsherbet]

110. And sometimes one candidate is just preferred over another.

And no lies were necessary with informed voters.

Opinions may vary.

[Vattel]

111. Granted, I don't know whether all the lies actually made the difference in who won.

But I think it is safe to say that they had some effect.

[democrattotheend]

99. As one of his donors I don't mind

In fact, I sent him another small donation this morning.

[Loudestlib]

106. Where will Hillary get her money from?

[Armstead]

5. Well yeah, since Rahm represents the spirit of the New Democrats

[vintx]

6. He covered up a fucking murder. But you put politics above that.

Typical.

[ibegurpard]

10. That's a Hillary supporter for you

[deutsey]

17. Winning!

[Freddie Stubbs]

128. Do you have any actual proof that he did so?

[Else You Are Mad]

9. He was down...

...because he is closing poor schools, he intentionally hid the Laquan McDonald video so he would win the reelection & is generally regarded as the slimiest democrat in a long time. He was down for his own corrupt actions not because Sanders released ads and spoke against him.

[Kelvin Mace]

13. Apparently, such things

are completely in accordance with HRC and her supporters.

[Else You Are Mad]

16. Exactly

Sometimes the party isn't right and there is nothing wrong with speaking up against it. Unless you are a attacking one of the elites, then it is wrong.

[Freddie Stubbs]

132. Can you please provide actual evidence that Emanuel himself hid any evidence in the McDonald case?

[Else You Are Mad]

135. Are you telling me?

That you really believe that he didn't know about it? Even if he didn't know about it immediately after the murder happened, he sure as heck must have known about it after his administration denied access to the video after multiple requests from the media that led to a law suit from the press in order to obtain the video. That shows he had a say in actively hiding the video since he controls his administration. It is just common sense.

If you say that it was his administration that hid the video and he did not know about the video, do you want to defend such an inept mayor? Given how he runs his administration, I highly doubt this.

And, before you reapond that I am just spouting RW talking points, I am a Democrat.

[RandySF]

11. What are you talking about? Bernie is not even a Democrat.

He even admitted that he took the party label give himself a better shot.

[NurseJackie]

21. Despite my suspicions, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I trusted him, and ...

... took him at his word. Clearly, I was wrong.

I apologize to everyone I criticized for being so vocal about expressing their distrust. You guys were correct all along. Now we know for certain.

Live and learn, I guess.

[Matt_in_STL]

31. So you're cool if he runs as an Independent then?

Oh, and when he is back in the Senate, if he decides to caucus solely as an Independent and not give the Democratic party the extra vote for procedural items you'll be good with that too?

[msanthrope]

58. Yes. Let him run as he truly wishes. nt

[Beacool]

85. I thought that was self evident to most people.

Why would someone who has proudly been an Independent all his political career decide to join a party that he spent years criticizing? I have been saying for months that he joined the party out of political expediency and self interest.

[timmymoff]

114. We have two democratic candidates who aren't really democrats?

Say it ain't so!

[Kelvin Mace]

12. Support for Emmanuel is why the Democratic Party is a lost cause

[mmonk]

15. +1

[LWolf]

14. I stand with Bernie, and

with my fellow teachers, when it comes to Rahm Fucking Emmanuel.

Rahm Emmanuel, regardless of his party registration, is not a fellow ANYTHING in my political world.

[Kelvin Mace]

22. This gloating OP just snapped something in me

I want nothing further to do with these people. They support Kissinger, they support Emmanuel, they support TPP, the death penalty, predatory lenders, predatory police, and Wall Street.

These morally bankrupt people deserve what they crave.

[ejbr]

27. +1 n/t

[pinebox]

43. +2

[Coincidence]

59. It's funny that they think THEY are the true Democrats, It's sad that they are correct. [nt]

[Kelvin Mace]

71. The terms Democrat and Republican are pretty much meaningless

They are now all pretty much right of center. Democrats are in fewer ways every year, less liberal/progressive.

[LondonReign2]

64. I've made that point again and again about them

They call themselves Democrats but act like the worst sort of Republicans and revel in it. Kissinger, Blankfein, Iraq war, voter suppression, paid bribes...all is hunky dory if their candidate "wins".

Morally bankrupt is the nicest thing they can be called.

[truebrit71]

69. +100000

Fuck Rahm and all the "democrats" just like him.

[AlbertCat]

72. These morally bankrupt people deserve what they crave.

Which is nothing but a win. After that...meh...whatever...

[Kelvin Mace]

75. A win for Trump is what you crave?

Even if you manage to beat him, you crave:

More war
More Wall Street bail outs
More prisons
More free trade deals
More drilling
More people like DWS and Rahm running the country.

Cool.

[lumberjack_jeff]

74. Agree in the strongest possible way. n/t

[bunnies]

86. FDR must be rolling in his grave.

The Dems are now happily for everything they used to be against. Its shameful.

[Kelvin Mace]

93. If we wrapped copper wire around Thurgood Marshall

we could power a small town.

[bunnies]

94. Talk about renewable energy.

You might be onto something.

[LWolf]

100. Rahm Emmanuel

and others like him are worse enemies than Republicans, because they come from within.

It's a gross betrayal.

[polly7]

124. They do, but the American people who need help badly and all those not in the

U.S. who've been targeted, and will be targeted for more atrocities to benefit the MIC and weapons industries and crony lobbyists and giant corporations, etc. etc. deserve a fuck of a lot more. People who ignore all of what you stated are the 'I've got mine!' type and couldn't give two shits about anyone but themselves. They have a good role model for keeping that. I never, ever thought I'd see it here, where so many were exactly against all of this and so much more when I joined up here.

[SheenaR]

18. Leave it to you folks

Yup it's Karma.

I hope Karma will take care of people who support people who cover up murders.

Oh, I just realized the double entendre. I don't know if I'm talking about Rahm or the first Clinton administration.

[bobthedrummer]

78. +1

A Whitewater Chronology (The Wall Street Journal May 28, 2003
What really happened during the Clinton years

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122721127833145225

[speaktruthtopower]

19. Bernie

ended up pretty close in IL and MO. Ohio was the real disappointment.

He isn't going to win, but with no more Southern primaries a win in Ohio could have changed the conversation and given him a chance.

[rbrnmw]

55. you can thank Kasich for that

[kerry-is-my-prez]

20. Having worked in Chicago politics, I knew it was a big mistake when he went after the mayor.

It's more powerful than being Governor. They have an well-oiled machine there.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I tend to think the attack worked but not by enough...

[timmymoff]

115. It wasn't an attack it was a fact she is aligned with Rahm.

Bernie won 62-38 in my county, now guess what group will wield their power in that county? This is what the true revolution is about. It might not happen exactly today, but it's happening. Know this!

[Chitown Kev]

123. But the election was decided in Cook County

And we weren't really thinking of Rahm's connection with Hillary

[timmymoff]

136. My county

Bernie won 62-38. That was my groups goal. Cook county has screwed Illinois with crappy politicians since it was Fort Dearborn.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

129. He lost Illinois.

It was a cynical attack and the voters of Illinois, in their infinite wisdom, rejected it. All is not lost as he will be able to go back to his sinecure soon.

[polly7]

26. Rahm Emmanuel doesn't deserve to be attacked?? wtf? nt.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. Rahm Emmanuel is a horrible, corrupt ass who deserves attacking.

The fact that he is nominally a Democrat doesn't insulate him from the shit he's pulled.

[Trust Buster]

29. Sanders ignores the fact that the people of Chicago elected Rahm. Not Hillary.

[still_one]

30. I am not sure where you are coming from, but Emanuel is a detestable person, with probable criminal

involvement in the cover up of the police shooting by the Chicago police.

Illinois was close for many reason. Emanuel did NOT help Hillary, and because of Emanuel's past relations with both President Obama and Hillary, it is not fair to them to associate the outrageous activities of Emanuel and his disgraceful job as Mayor of Chicago with them.

[Beacool]

87. No one is saying that Emmanuel is a nice guy,

but it was a bad tactic to go after a fellow Democrat. Notice that Hillary kept her distance, but didn't go after Rahm.

[still_one]

91. I will agree with you on this point, if he made it part of his campaign to go after Hillary,

absolutely wrong, however, if he was just criticizing Rahm without any association to Hillary, that is fair game.

For instance, if Rick Snyder was a democrat, it wouldn't be off bounds for any Democratic candidate to go after him on what he had done.

Please note, I am giving a hypothetical, Snyder is NOT a Democrat

[Scootaloo]

105. because party matters more than the fact he COVERED UP A MURDER

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. If Rahm's an example of your kind of Democrat, fuck me I don't want to live in your world.

He covered up a black man's murder at the hands of a white cop. Covered it up for over 13 fucking MONTHS. He'd STILL be covering it up if he could. Motherfuckers like Rahm SHOULD be ostracized.

The shooting of Laquan McDonald occurred on October 20, 2014 in Chicago, Illinois, when McDonald—a 17-year-old black male armed with a 3-inch (76 mm) knife[2]—was shot 16 times in 13 seconds[3] by Chicago Police Officer Jason Van Dyke from approximately ten feet (3 m) away.[4][5] Video of the shooting, captured on one police cruiser's dashboard camera, was released to the public on November 24, 2015—over 13 months after the shooting and only after several independent investigators demanded release of records.

Your kind of "Big D" democrat huh? Nice. Says a lot about you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Laquan_McDonald

Holy fuck if I were you I'd self-delete this steaming pile of horse shit.

[NCTraveler]

34. In all honesty, I would like the opportunity to kick Rahm.

On a bigger level you are spot on. It was a bad tactic from the start. Unfortunately, a huge part of that narrative was completely out of his control. His supporters defined him in that aspect by large.

[hobbit709]

35. Rahmbo is a democrat? He's a Turd Wayer.

[morningfog]

36. HOW DARE YOU REFER TO RAHM AS A FELLOW DEMOCRAT

[Kall]

37. If you're proud of Rahm,

no wonder you're proud of Hillary.

[Liberalator]

38. It's probably the vote against Anita Alvarez not Rahm

It's probably the vote against Anita Alvarez for Cook County State's Attorney that won it for Hillary.

http://abc7chicago.com/politics/elections/local/illinois/county/

State's Attorney Cook County
99% of precincts reporting

Foxx - 621,698(58.3%)

Alvarez - 306,191(28.7%)

More - 138,112(13%)

[Chitown Kev]

68. I think that the Foxx-Alvarez race was a wash w/r/t Bernie-Hillary

The Foxx-Alvarez race was what generated turnout in Chicago...on that issue, the black and Latino communities were united.

Chuy Garcia (Bernie supporter) endorsed Kim Foxx as did Luis Gutierrez (Hillary supporter)

Black voters were heavily for Hillary, Latino voters were a little more heavily for Bernie...although not all Latinos favored Bernie.

Bernie was probably helped a little bit, actually.

[alcibiades_mystery]

117. Black voters in Chicago went more heavily for Clinton than Latino voters went for Bernie

Latino voters, however, did tend to favor Bernie, but in the 53% range. The black wards went for Clinton 65%-68%.

If the Rahm attacks were meant to reduce the wipe-out Bernie was about to face in the heavily African American south side wards, it probably worked a little. Those wards may have easily gone 75, 80, even 85% to Hillary, but she won them only 2 to 1 rather than 3 to 1. That the heavy Latino wards tended to favor Bernie in the 51-55% range accounts, probably, for the closeness of the election as a whole. It is a surprise, and good news for Bernie with big Latino votes coming up. That said, it may have been local: it may have been about Rahm.

Combining the reduced, somewhat gentle ass-whipping in the African American wards, and the surprise win in the Latino wards, Bernie probably got a net gain of 4-5% points in Cook County and 2-3% statewide from the Rahm commercials.

[Chitown Kev]

120. That sounds about right

Although I do wonder what may have happened if Bernie had appeared and supported (if not endorsed) Foxx...It was local issues that were driving turnout...The Latino political establishment in Chicago endorsed Foxx (including Chuy Garcia)...perhaps if Bernie had sunk himself a little more into the Foxx-Alvarez race...who knows...but I think that it was the turnout that helped Bernie a little more than the commercials.

The Rahm commercials and linking Rahm with Hillary was a national thing. That's not what the local story was, though.

[Eric J in MN]

39. I support Bernie Sanders because he speaks out against horrible policies.

I'm glad he doesn't put party loyalty before that.

[alarimer]

40. Emmanuel deserves it and more.

He is a piece of shit. I HATE him almost more than any other so-called Democrat.

[Impedimentus]

42. Defending Rohm, that's rich

Not all democrats are saints, and Rohm is no saint.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. So do you actually support the cover up of the video?

Seriously? He's someone you admire?

No wonder I'm for Bernie.

[Kittycat]

46. Are you kidding? He's like the plague here.

He's done nothing but hurt the very people he's supposed to look out for.

[MSMITH33156]

47. I'm a Hillary supporter

but this thread is misguided.

1) Rahm Emmanuel is a disaster and an embarrassment. I don't care if he's on "our" team. There is no defending his tenure, on multiple fronts.

2) This strategy actually WORKED. It's why why Sanders almost flipped Illinois. This state was much less demographically friendly to Bernie than Ohio, where Hillary won by double-digits. But look at the urban centers from last night (this is a bit off since some cities are part of larger counties which dilutes the city vote, but it's close enough):

-St. Louis: Hillary +11%
-Cleveland: Hillary +27%
-Miami: Hillary +50%
-Charlotte: Hillary +22%

And yet Chicago: Hillary +8%

Conventional wisdom was that Bernie would win the state if he kept that margin under 10, which by any measure was a tall order. Hillary actually overperformed the rest of the state (while losing it) versus expectations, which is why she squeaked the state out. If Bernie did as well as he did in Chicago in every other urban center, he might even be winning this primary and certainly wouldn't be down by the margins he is.

I've yet to see any plausible explanation for Hillary's underperformance in Chicago other than that Emmanuel weighed her down like anchor.

You can have a campaign strategy work and still lose a state or an election. That is likely what happened to Bernie in Illinois.

[Starry Messenger]

62. I agree.

Good breakdown there too. +1

[Kittycat]

88. Can I add

We are still working through significant voter issues here, in areas where Bernie performed well. I'm not saying this takes away from her win, or to suggest a conspiracy involving the Clinton's. I have to confirm, but at least three os these areas were republican held county clerks.

Issues
1. Significant democratic ballot shortages, in many cases running out by noon, and again mid or late day. Some sites were never refreshed.

2. Even after hours were extended in multiple counties, not all received extra ballots. Some received only national, no local.

3. Some polling places sent people away despite extended hours.

4. Some polling places closed despite extended hours. Irony would serve these were in the more democratic precincts.

5. Some locations didn't have enough election judges, particularly in democratic precincts. They doubled up duties as a cost-cutting measurement, slowing down the process. In Springfield, the republican appointed clerk said this worked well based on the last (special) election. Of course everyone is calling on him to resign. I believe he was on the ballot down there.

These are just some of the issues, not the least of which include a pedestrian vs train that put trains up to 2 hrs behind to the west burbs, meaning many couldn't vote. And a tornado touchdown on the north west side of Springfield during rush hour & polling hours. People are pretty pissed.

On the upside, I read that two people in the city that covered up the shooting along with Rahm, did not win last night.

[bullwinkle428]

109. Thank you for a thoughtful, level-headed analysis of the situation.

[Chitown Kev]

118. Anita Alvarez

is the answer to that question.

The Alvarez-Foxx race was what was generating turnout.

It had nothing to do with Hillary, actually.

[riderinthestorm]

48. Jayzus, you really think Rahm is a fucking asset for anyone?

That says way more about you than you could possibly imagine.

[Jitter65]

49. Rahm is not a "fellow Democrat" to Sanders. Sanders is not a Democrat. nt

[pdsimdars]

51. Emmanuel is a DINO

People should be judged by what they do rather than their current label.

[gcomeau]

53. Calling Rahm nothing but a "fellow Democrat"...

...illustrates everything wrong with the Democratic party. Principles mean shit all, only whether you have a membership card.


People of principle would tell you Rahm should be attacked. And whether he has a D or a R next to his name is irrelevant to that fact.

[rbrnmw]

56. Rahm is a nasty piece of work

can't stand him

[Chitown Kev]

66. Oh, please

Having looked at the election returns and knowing Chicago, I disagree with you

1) Clinton also won the Cook County suburbs by 35,000 votes. Emanuel is not all that popular in the 'burbs

2) Kim Foxx received more votes in Chicago than Hillary Clinton in winning her race against the Democratic incumbent for the state's attorney race.

3) It's possible that Bernie would have done even better in Chicago had he linked himself to Kim Foxx (by endorsing her, maybe?...Emanuel received a stinging rebuke last night but (and I predicted this) it didn't rub off that badly on Clinton

[Ken Burch]

67. Nobody in Chicago is still loyal to Rahm.

Why even bother defending the guy who fought to take everything that mattered out of the ACA? And the guy who covered for Laquan McDonald's murderer?

[Chitown Kev]

70. Give it up to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511480191

[Kittycat]

89. +1

[lumberjack_jeff]

73. I've long been in denial about a major problem with the Democratic Party.

That problem exemplified by this post; the only thing that means anything is the D. Everything else is tactics.

Hillary supporters aren't choosing an elected official, they're betting on a horse.

[Enrique]

76. if Bernie thought the way you think

then there would be no point to his candidacy anyway. Might as well vote for Hillary, or Rahm, or Blagojevich, or whoever.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

79. I think it worked a little bit

She did not win Chicago as much as she probably should of.

Still, most people did not buy the dumb comparison.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

80. A fellow Democrat who deserved, and still deserves, being attacked.

[Beacool]

81. I didn't say anything, but I thought that it was a mistake too.

Reagan's Eleventh Commandment applies to both parties: "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican". Democrat, in this case.

There's also the fact that IL is Hillary's home state. She was born in Chicago. It stands to reason that people would support her.

[Uncle Joe]

83. Wasn't Illinois Hillary's home state? And she won by less than 2%

Hillary Clinton, with 1,002,832 votes, won Illinois with 50.4 percent of the vote in the March 15 primary, with 99 percent of votes tallied according to unofficial returns. Her opponent, Bernie Sanders, who'd closed a large polling gap in recent days, took 968,227 votes for 48.7 percent.

Fewer than 40,000 votes separate the two. Almost 2 million votes were cast in the Democratic primary, almost double the number of votes cast in the Republican primary.

(snip)

Shapiro expected Clinton to win Illinois and believes the fact she took up similar themes as Sanders helped her campaign. Clinton campaign insiders told CNN they felt Clinton could lose Illinois as she did Michigan. They were not optimistic, yet she pulled out a win.

(snip)

A loss in the state where she was born and raised would not have denied her the nomination, but it would have been embarrassing.

http://patch.com/illinois/chicago/live-election-results-illinois-democratic-primary-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-0

Thanks for the thread, Freddie Stubbs.

[Kittycat]

90. See 88 above

[bunnies]

95. Like when Rahm called DEMOCRATS on the left "fucking retarded" ?

That was so funny, wasnt it?! He's such a good Democrat! Yay Rahm!

[phleshdef]

97. The latest approval ratings I can find for Rahm is at 27%

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-rahm-emanuel-laquan-mcdonald-poll-20160131-story.html

[Scootaloo]

101. The voice of Hillary clinton's campaign, right here

A man who covers up the murder of a black child is the new hero?

[Odin2005]

103. Rahm is a Republican dressed up as a Democrat.

It seems like some would vote for anyone as long as the have a D after their names...

[jfern]

107. Go vote for Larry McDonald or whoever, those of us with any principles don't jus

vote on a party line.

[CentralMass]

112. I would not vote for Rahm Emmanuel even if he was running for dog catcher

[Freddie Stubbs]

131. Sorry to see that you can't have a calm, rational conversation

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

133. What's so rational about being a sycophant? You and I both have been

here long enough to know what your "What? Me? What'd I say?" bullshit act. Is just that. Just embrace it. You know you can't help but to shit on anything and anyone to the left of Joe Lieberman or Evan Bayh.

[Freddie Stubbs]

134. Having a disagreement isn't "shitting on"

You are going to have to come to terms with the fact that most Democrats are not far-left liberals. And as long as that is the case, most elected Democrats are going to be moderates.

[bobbobbins01]

122. I have an autistic son.

Calling anyone "fucking retarded" is not liberal or progressive, its shameful. Like your OP.

[Turin_C3PO]

125. Well

Rahm is a terrible man, regardless of party affiliation. Do you really support him, Freddie? This goes beyond Sanders or Clinton.

[brush]

126. I don't blame him for that

Emanuel needs to go down just like Alvarez for waiting for more than a year to prosecute that killer cop.

I don't blame him at all.

[SunSeeker]

127. K & R

[bigwillq]

130. I'm glad Bernie went after Rahm

Rahm is a POS. No better than a Repub, imo.