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Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:59 PM Mar 2016

Sure Bernie has moved Hillary left in her positions...

But if you don't think she's going to snap right back to her original positions as soon as she doesn't depend on landing true liberals to score primary delegates....you're naive. As soon as Bernie is gone she'll go right back to being a DINO. Thems the facts.

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Sure Bernie has moved Hillary left in her positions... (Original Post) Buddyblazon Mar 2016 OP
Hillary would laugh long and loud at the notion that she has actually moved even one djean111 Mar 2016 #1
She's a LIAR. Can't trust a shape-shifter... AzDar Mar 2016 #2
He has certainly stimulated her CYA responses. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #3
"Them IS".... and it's a bit tragic that we have to keep belaboring.... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #4
Hillary is your basic standard issue politician. She says LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #5
I know you meant banksters Bettie Mar 2016 #6
Corrupt banisters have a lot of splinters and are not securely attached to the stairs. aidbo Mar 2016 #12
Blame auto correct and the fact that I was late for an appointment! 😊 LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #24
If she's moved her left someone must nail her shoes to that spot HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #7
She'll snap back only if people stop lobbying and pressuring her. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #8
People should not work to support a politician.. peace13 Mar 2016 #9
sorry, the work doesn't stop when the pol wins. every president, no matter how noble, will geek tragedy Mar 2016 #11
I hear you. peace13 Mar 2016 #16
yes, very true. different candidates have different sensitivities to pressure. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #19
He's moved her left in her language. Nothing more. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #10
She is counting on that message to woo Republican votes (though I don't think it will work). Skwmom Mar 2016 #13
I wonder about that Bettie Mar 2016 #18
they may hate Trump more after the convention. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #20
They are pretty evenly split Bettie Mar 2016 #21
Ugh. Hopefully they live long and healthy lives geek tragedy Mar 2016 #23
I remember.. aidbo Mar 2016 #14
Don't be ridiculous ibegurpard Mar 2016 #15
This. nt vintx Mar 2016 #22
Money trumps her left. n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #17
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. Hillary would laugh long and loud at the notion that she has actually moved even one
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:01 PM
Mar 2016

millimeter to the left. And she will go where she wants to go - even further to the right - if she is the nominee.
And, if president, happily a lot more conservative than Obama.

Anyone who says different is a fool or a liar.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
5. Hillary is your basic standard issue politician. She says
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:06 PM
Mar 2016

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whatever she thinks she needs to say to fit the situation. That's why she's so closely guarding the content of those speeches. Doesn't want her adoring fans to know the love poems she whispers to corrupt banksters behind closed doors.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
6. I know you meant banksters
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:09 PM
Mar 2016

but "banisters" gave me a much-needed giggle today.

Doesn't make you less right.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
12. Corrupt banisters have a lot of splinters and are not securely attached to the stairs.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:25 PM
Mar 2016

Do not slide down a corrupt banister.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. If she's moved her left someone must nail her shoes to that spot
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:12 PM
Mar 2016

and make sure that the shoestrings knotted so she can't undo them

Then we've got to keep her and her advisers away from edged-tools so she can't cut herself free.

But I don't think any of that's really necessary, because she's really moved nothing but her rhetoric.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. She'll snap back only if people stop lobbying and pressuring her.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016

The GLBT movement turned up the heat on Obama after he won election, and they achieved significant victories because of this (and he also improved his legacy greatly by responding to that pressure).

You should never think she's a given to do the right thing, or the wrong thing.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
9. People should not work to support a politician..
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

..and then have to stop and take time to go back and beg her to do the right thing. Huge waste of time and energy. Especially when we have one who already is willing to do the right thing.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. sorry, the work doesn't stop when the pol wins. every president, no matter how noble, will
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:23 PM
Mar 2016

face intense pressure from multiple directions on every issue.

people who don't compromise don't get anything done. so, no matter how pure, whoever is president needs to negotiate and compromise to get things done. so when they're trying to get things done, that's when issues advocates need to be most on their game

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
16. I hear you.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:23 PM
Mar 2016

Better to start with one who has more of the same value set. Unless of course time is no issue or one is a lobbyist.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. yes, very true. different candidates have different sensitivities to pressure.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:30 PM
Mar 2016

That's the major reason to vote Democratic always, in my opinion.

Democrats are sensitive to pressure from labor and liberal activitsts.

Republicans are sensitive to Heritage Action and the Chamber of Commerce and the NRA.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
18. I wonder about that
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:28 PM
Mar 2016

I am related to a startling and scary number of Republicans (and people who think that party is "too liberal&quot and I can not think of a single one of them who doesn't hate Clinton (any of the Clintons) with borderline insanity.

I'm talking foaming-at-the-mouth, skeeter style derangement.

If she were running against a pedophile serial killer, they would vote for her opponent.

This is not even about Clinton, it is about unreasoning hatred. She will not get many (if any) crossover votes, no matter how far she tacks to the Right.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. they may hate Trump more after the convention.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:32 PM
Mar 2016

There's even talk about whether the GOP would be better off throwing the election than (a) letting Trump be their nominee or (b) letting him take over the party permanently if he were to somehow win the White House.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
21. They are pretty evenly split
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:38 PM
Mar 2016

between Trump and Cruz.

They see Trump as a giant middle finger to unions, educated people, and "libruls".

The religious whack-job faction loves Cruz because he will "get rid of" non-Christians and "the gays" and turn our country into a "Christian Nation"...apparently, by doing all the things Jesus was not for.

Have I mentioned that I tend to avoid my family and my in-laws?

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