Celebrating victory

[BainsBane]

I've worked very hard to support Hillary Clinton. I can't even count the number of hours I've spent making phone calls, not only in my home state but to states that voted yesterday. I worked hard, and I believe I have every right to celebrate last night's victory. In that vein, I am reposting a meme that appropriates another meme, a sexist attack against Hillary Clinton. It turns that meme on its head and instead uses it as a celebration of victory.

Congratulations to all my fellow Clinton supporters! Our candidate won despite being hugely outspent by her opponent.

Congratulations to Bernie Sanders and his supporters for a hard-fought campaign that raised important issues. I know most of you don't condone the kind of attacks the Bern the witch event and t-shirts expressed.

[Scootaloo]

1. If you thought these issues were important, you would have supported them

[upaloopa]

4. Don't make me get my flying monkeys!

[Scootaloo]

7. No no, please do.

[upaloopa]

14. I stole that from a bumper sticker I saw once

[Scootaloo]

28. I was hoping for flying moneys.

[NurseJackie]

2. Love it! It's FUNNY!!

And welcome back!

[BainsBane]

5. Thanks, Nurse Jackie

and Thank you for your very kind thread.

[gcomeau]

3. Spare us.

Congratulations to Bernie Sanders and his supporters for a hard fought campaign that raised important issues.

Which you and yours proceeded to ignore and spit on. So save the fake conciliatory talk while you post the gloating imagery.

[BainsBane]

6. I'm trying to be gracious

It seems that is met with just as much hostility as the opposite.
That is on you. I've got an election to focus on.

[gcomeau]

11. Could have fooled me.

Because this:



LOOKS AMAZINGLY LIKE THE OPPOSITE OF FUCKING GRACIOUS. But then with all the gleeful celebration at the prospect of every progressive voter leaving the fold at the prospect of a Clinton victory that were all over the forums yesterday you're right in line with what I expect from the Clinton camp's efforts at "reconciliation".

[BainsBane]

39. Let me understand this

You are upset at the reference to the "sweep," her five wins yesterday? Or is it that you object to having sexism pointed out? It seems that among the things you do not object to is the original sexist meme itself.

I don't control what "progressives" do, if they decide to support the GOP or merely contribute to its victory by staying home, or if they decide they really do care enough about issues like education, healthcare, regulating Wall Street, etc.... and vote Democrat. That choice is up to each of them. All I can do is focus on turning out Democratic supporters, as I do every election.

[gcomeau]

47. Go ahead, play dumb.

You know perfectly fucking well you were goading.


And what progressives want is for the Democratic party to STOP MOVING RIGHT. Voting for them every time they do move right is a little counter productive to that goal don't you think? You can talk about education and healthcare and regulation all you want. The more right the Democratic party goes the more those all get eroded. At a certain point arguing that the right course is always to choose the least destructive of the immediate options while ignoring the long term trajectory it places you on wears thin.



At some point you all need to wake up and realize you're so caught up in the GOP/DEM horse race that you've lost site of the fact that the race track is only pointing one damn direction.


FFS, just between 2008 and 2016 this is what has happened:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016


And you just want everyone to happily and indefinitely continue the ride in blissful ignorance.

[BainsBane]

52. Yes, well it would be nice if such concerns about moving left

included gun control, a basic right to life over the profits of gun corporations, addressing inequality in K-12, not granting civil immunity to an entire sector of the capitalist economy, or not perpetuating a vision of history that hearkens back to a time when the majority were denied equal rights and economic access.Those are all issues Clinton is stronger on.

Given the positions I have seen justified in the name of progressivism, I'm not terribly persuaded by your fixation with labels and compass points.


Yet your anger isn't about the demise of issues. It's about the defeat of one politician, one man.

We have had thread after thread celebrating Bernie's wins, even when they weren't really wins. Yet people who support the presumptive Democratic nominee don't have that same right. That is just one of the many rights that I have seen denied to anyone who doesn't think and vote like Sanders supporters demand.

There is no conception of leftism that justifies a hierarchical version of human worth. The version of progressivism I have seen advanced posits a few "progressives" as superior to the majority, insists people of color are too "uninformed" or not "smart" enough to vote as those people demand, or that they are suffering from "stockholm syndrome." I have been called a "vagina voter" and part of "club vagina" for daring, once in my life, to vote for a woman rather maintaining government as the sole province of men.
Anonymous had quite a bit to say about those attitudes. https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3A%40youranoncentral+%23feelthebern+OR+%23bernie&src=typd

[MaggieD]

55. +100000

[gcomeau]

59. Wow... pure fantasy land. Enjoy your trip.

Yet your anger isn't about the demise of issues. It's about the defeat of one politician, one man.

But if you believe that you are so far beyond clueless it's amazing.



I just watched an entire giant chunk of the Democratic Party rabidly cheering turning against Single Payer.


I just watched them rabidly cheering calling progressive social programs giving away "free stuff" and promising people ponies in tones of sneering condescension GOP style.


I just watched them rabidly cheer as their candidate took millions of dollars in direct personal payouts from Wall St while refusing to disclose to the voters what she gave them in return in those speeches.



I am watching almost the entire establishment of the Democratic party CELEBRATE BEATING PROGRESSIVISM with corrupt corporatism. Not "beating one man". And if you can't see it you're completely damn blind.

[BainsBane]

66. Your version of events is highly selective

If you care about those issues, you'll keep working on them. If you make it about issues rather than contempt for the party, a candidate and voters, you'll likely have a great deal more success.

[gcomeau]

68. I am going to keep working on them.

And if Clinton is the nominee it will be perfectly clear that the best way to work on them is to withhold support from the Democratic party rather than rewarding them for turning against all of those principles.

[BainsBane]

74. Here's what Bernie had to say about single payer

during a time when the Democrats controlled both houses.

Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance

ByEVAN MCMORRIS-SANTOROPublishedMARCH 10, 2010, 7:26 PM EST 368 Views
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) reminded the progressive media gathered on Capitol Hill today that single-payer health care reform was dead before it started in the Senate.

"It would have had 8 or 10 votes and that's it," he said, addressing a topic central in the minds of many who the bloggers and left wing talk show hosts gathered for the 4th annual Senate Democratic Progressive Media Summit in Washington reach everyday.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sanders-single-payer-never-had-a-chance

Those voters didn't cheer any of what you claim. They support a candidate who didn't make promises she knows she can't keep. Sanders knows single payer can't pass. He knew it was a non-starter in a Democratic majority. His talk about revolution was never more than a campaign slogan. There are no signs of his "revolution." Democratic turnout is down, and his support substantially less than Clinton's. If he can't get voters to turn out and support him, he certainly isn't going to get a "revolutionary" turnout in red states that would transform the House from Tea Party to progressive control. In fact, in the debate he didn't even pretend winning the House was a possibility. He talked about the Senate, which isn't nearly enough.

It takes a lot more than a wish list to bring about change. It takes a willingness to knuckle down and get to work. I saw no evidence of Sanders having a track record of doing that. Quite the opposite. He never got any of his reform proposals enacted in 25 years in DC. Not one. His one legislative success was veterans funding, which is great but it had nothing to do with his presidential platform.
I didn't support Sanders because of the massive disparity between his rhetoric and actions. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1492915
Those are the sorts of things that prompted me to judge him incredible.

You want those issues to die, maintain the interpretation you just presented. You want progress, focus on those issues rather than one man's career.

[gcomeau]

97. There is a PROFOUND difference.

Between saying it never had a chance to get past congressional opposition at the time and attacking it as a concept anyone should want to pass ever.

Clinton did the latter this primary, so she can just fuck right off. There is ZERO chance of me supporting an opponent of liberal policies just because she's wearing a Democrat suit.

[Coincidence]

96. Yep, I watched the same thing. The disconnect is mind boggling... nt

[DemonGoddess]

61. +1000000!

[lunamagica]

78. AWESOME

[BainsBane]

79. Thanks!

[Scootaloo]

23. Gracious? You've spent nine months being a gigantic asshole

When your vile, hate-filled posts were hidden, you ran to HillaryClintonSupporters to post antisemitic conspiracy theories and denigrate nonwhite sanders supporters. In the brief interludes of being able to post on DU, you did nothing but sneer and shit on any notion related to the issues Bernie was bringing up because you had decided he was evil incarnate. I believe you even called him "evil incarnate" once or twice. This is of course on top of your posting from right-wing hate sites, while insisting anyone who supported sanders was a white supremacist woman-hater secretly trying to get Trump to win.

Were you maybe expecting genuflection for your magnanimity?

[BainsBane]

29. Provide proof of those allegations

Links.

[Scootaloo]

33. I'm not going to spend thetime. You know what you've been posting, and so do we.

if you expect reciprocation of your "graciousness" maybe spend some time studying all those posts that kept getting you hidden. Address those issues. Or maybe - I don't know - apologize for being a hateful chode for so long, and express actual support for the issues you've been shitting on all this time and now claim are "very important"

If you want pats on the head, you gotta earn 'em

[ibegurpard]

37. for real

[BainsBane]

44. I feel certain

that I have never posted anything antisemetic or anything that reaches the level of incivility of your two posts in this thread.

I could care less about a "pat on the head" from you. Hillary's victory is all the satisfaction I need. I thought I'd include a line to extend an olive branch to the Sanders supporters who do not sanction misogyny and who plan on supporting the Democratic ticket. it's clear you and some others find that more objectionable that hostility. There is nothing I can do about any of that. People are who they are.

I will focus on turning out Democratic voters for our candidates in the fall. I have no control over those whose commitment to "issues" is so great that they prefer to see the GOP elected. Democratic campaigns involve turning out supporters of Democratic candidates. 2016 is no different.

[George II]

45. (translation: it really didn't happen!)

[leftofcool]

89. Oh please. No Hillary supporter needs to be patted on the head.

Ya'll need to stop complaining and do something, GOTV!

[Scootaloo]

90. I'm not complaining

I'm explaining to Bainsbane why no one is falling for the axe handle she's trying to call an olive branch.

I plan to get out the vote. We vote on the 26th. Bernie's going to take Washington without a doubt. Don't worry yourself.

[synergie]

100. By demonstrating just how abusive BS supporters have been by engaging in name calling yourself?

[Scootaloo]

103. I have no reason to play nice with people who have been spitting on me for months, Synergie

i make no pretense of saintliness, which is the crux of BainsBane's problem here; she does take such pretense.

Please, do follow-up on a few more of my posts, i have quite a few and they seem to be very interesting to you.

[synergie]

106. Perhaps you should not have been spitting on them in the first place?

You certainly perched on that high horse when you referenced my transparency page, didn't you?

Attacking BB and calling her names isn't about "playing nice", it's about not being a sore loser.

Nah, your posts are boring, I only recall them for their lack of civility, and the characteristic pettiness and nastiness that proved beyond a doubt that all that denial of the berniebro existence was indeed pure BS.

Plus the Hindi/urdu swear words, those always fill out an argument when one has no leg to stand on, no?

Stop pretending unity matters to you, vote however you will, don't expect anyone to court you or put up with your abuse. Either you're progressive or a Tumpeter, those will be your options come November, and you'll have to choose between Hillary and Trump. Bernie is not going to win, no matter how much he 'weathervanes' on those superdelegates you all though were undemocatic a few short days ago!

[Scootaloo]

108. Wait... hindu/urdu swear words?

You're gonna have to fill me in on that one before we go any further. I'm honestly curious now!

[synergie]

109. HindI not Hindu, and you're claiming you don't know what the word you used meant?

[Scootaloo]

110. I'm trying to figure out what word I used, first. help me out.

[synergie]

111. yes, you ahve been hurling a lot of abusive invective, so I can see why it's hard

to remember which insulting word I might be referring to, but it's right here on this thread. Have fun sifting through all that ugliness.

[Scootaloo]

112. I'm honestly curious, give me a hand here.

[John Poet]

80. She's right. You have.

We don't need to prove it to know it.

[BainsBane]

83. What's clear to me is that you both assume

that any posts that don't affirm Sanders superiority equates to being an asshole. I have posted articles. I have expressed my views, backed by copious sources. I have not made the kind of insults the poster does above, and I most certainly have not engaged in antisemitism. In fact, I called out antisemitism that I saw posted during the Israeli attacks on Gaza.

I see a profound contempt for the democratic rights of one's fellow citizens. The notion that any speech that you don't agree with is uncivil or unacceptable, and that even are votes are illegitimate, should be troubling to anyone who claims to care about democracy or equality.

Neither of you bother to prove it because you can't. What you ultimately refuse to accept is that other people besides yourself have the right to their own political choices and views. That point has been made clear repeatedly, including claims that entire regions of the nations should have their votes discounted and that entire races of people are too uninformed to vote properly. Those kinds of arguments have been ubiquitous, left by juries, and display a degree of incivility and contempt for equality that I would never in a thousand years espouse, particularly in order to advance one politician's career. My guess is that is the very attitude that turned voters off to Sanders. Rather than learning from it, people continue to engage in that same behavior because at the core they believe yourselves superior to their fellow citizens, an assumption for which there is absolutely no evidence.

Voters have every right to make their own decisions. Deal with it.

[BainsBane]

85. The fact that you and and a number of others

make a point of expressing hostility toward a note of congratulations and celebration of victory really says it all.

That and the fact you display absolutely no concern about the sexist meme but instead malign me, without any effort to provide evidence, illustrates your own values quite well.

[Scootaloo]

93. "he" actually

don't let the cutesy-poop avatar fool you

[polly7]

36. Truth, right there.

[Capt. Obvious]

70. DU Rec

[stonecutter357]

71. .

[kdmorris]

92. +1 n/t

[hrmjustin]

126. You should talk!

[Lizzie Poppet]

31. Well, I suppose there's a first time for everything.

Let someone know when you actually mean it. As for me, I recall why I had you on Ignore for so long...and back you go.

[BainsBane]

32. Thank you.

[Squinch]

35. That poster is trying to be gracious too. This is just how it looks when he/she does it.

Admittedly, he could use some practice.

[BainsBane]

88. Ah, okay

I somehow missed the subtle signs.

[Logical]

91. By posting that graphic? Really? what a fucking joke. nt

[BainsBane]

94. I find it fascinating

That there is no objection to the sexism of the original meme but instead that we would dare to celebrate a victory. The reactions say a great deal about people's values. It also convinces me that Clinton's victory is essential to my civil rights.

The graphic was not meant as an overture. I posted it because I love it. I love how it takes a horribly sexism meme and turns it on its head, that it critiques the misogyny that pervades American political culture. I included the line of congratulations as an overture. It's clear that many of you prefer enmity. Fine. Mission accomplished. Actually that was accomplished months ago by the continual barrage of insults that has been the basis of far too many's support for Bernie. Anonymous called it exactly right.

[Logical]

95. That saying is terrible. But think we can't find something bad from a Hill fan? Also, if you want...

a woman president I suggest Warren. A real democrat. nt

[George II]

9. His campaign came up with the "Bern the witch" idea, not Clinton's.

[gcomeau]

12. No, some random person on the internet came up with it.

[NurseJackie]

13. Considering all the bitterness that we've had to endure for weeks on end ...

... I think it's only natural that we be given a moment to celebrate Hillary's SWEET victories. Bernie supporters have shown themselves to be quite tough in the past, I'm pretty sure that they can handle a bit of good-spirited lightheartedness shown in this OP. (Not really sure what y'all were expecting anyway.)

Eventually we'll all come together (well, most will) when we get closer to the election.

Until then...

[gcomeau]

16. Feel free

...to celebrate taking a big step towards dragging the party further right.

But expecting us to smile and nod and clap along with you while you dance over the anticipated grave of the progressive prospects of the party this election season is freaking delusional.

[Squinch]

40. Who asked you to smile and clap? DON'T SMILE AND CLAP! How's that? Better?

[NurseJackie]

42. No need to smile and clap along. Also no need to take a dump in our punchbowl either.

The "ignore" button is there for a reason. I can't recommend it highly enough.

Have a nice day! Goodbye!

[gcomeau]

43. If the OP didn't want Sanders supporters opinions...

Then the OP shouldn't have directly addressed them and goaded them with a dumbass gloating graphic perhaps.


So you feel free to continue your oblivious celebration. We'll continue thinking it's fucking contemptible that you're celebrating something so depressing.

[NurseJackie]

48. Well... thank you very much! That just makes it all the more enjoyable.

I shall continue to celebrate with great enthusiasm, vigor, verve and zest! Our lively party will continue on until Inauguration Day. (Just to let you know ... you're free to join in whenever you're through being angry at us for supporting someone different that you.)

Goodbye again!

[gcomeau]

50. Uh-huh.

(Just to let you know ... you're free to join in whenever you're through being angry at us for supporting someone different that you.)

And that illustrates why that joining in is not EVER going to happen. You think we're angry at you supporting someone "different". .

We're angry at you for shitting all over the critical progressive policy goals Sanders had and whooping it up with big grins on your faces the entire time you did it you clueless wonder. And now you're doubling down. If Clinton is the nominee then win or lose in the GE you're getting what you deserve, I just feel bad for the rest of the country. And I'm sure as hell not going to be complicit in fucking them over by "joining you".

[NurseJackie]

54. Well ... give it some time.

Goodbye, again!

[gcomeau]

60. Time. Isn't. Changing. What. You. Did.

Just.... oblivious. It's astounding.

[NurseJackie]

62. You'll have to learn to cope...

... and deal with your anger and stop blaming ME for Bernie's inability to win enough delegates to be nominated. It's not MY fault. Look inward. Look at your candidate. What could he have done better? What could his supporters have done differently?

Now, if you'll excuse me ... I've got some celebrating to do!

[gcomeau]

63. I'm coping fine.

Coping does not involve forgiving people who aren't sorry for their atrocious conduct.

[NurseJackie]

67. Well ... Enjoy your grudge! :-D

... for whatever comfort or solace it brings you.

Me? I've got nothing to be sorry for ... I've done nothing wrong and do not need or require any forgiveness. You'll not be receiving any apologies from me.

I'm proud of Hillary and our group of supporters. I'm delighted at her success. I'm with her! She'll make a wonderful president. I'm thrilled. It's going to be a great road to the inauguration! I can't wait!

[gcomeau]

69. Comfort and solace doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

There is NOTHING comforting about the road you people are doing your damnedest to send us down.

This is about doing what is right.. But I don't expect anyone supporting Clinton over Sanders to have a firm grasp on the concept.

[NurseJackie]

72. I can see you're a little upset.

[gcomeau]

73. You have no fucking idea.

You still can't see what you're doing... whether that's denial or something else I have no idea.

[NurseJackie]

76. We see things differently. That's all. No big deal.

As long as we work together to defeat Trump, that's the most important goal now.

[gcomeau]

81. No, it is a very fucking big deal.

How is it possible you still dont get this?


Do you know I was a Hillary supporter a year ago? and I was also a Hillary supporter 6 months ago.


Do you know why? Because at that time as far as I was aware she was the most left viable candidate. I didn't imagine Sanders would be anywhere near viable. So supporting Clinton was the least bad option... it was incredibly disappointing we were going to have a best case scenario where even if we won all we were going to do was replace Obama with someone further right than he is.... but I'm a realist. And nobody was forcing that sitation on us it's just what we had to work with. So nobody to be mad at.


But then Sanders gained support. And gained. and gained. and it become indisputable that he was viable.


And then we had a choice. Party goes left, or party goes right.


Anyone who chose Clinton at that point CHOSE "party goes right". It wasn't forced on you. It wasn't you pragmatically and realistically accepting the best available option. You had the left path and the right path in front of you and you chose right. you not only chose right but you then proceeded to absolutely TRASH liberal progressive principle after liberal progressive principle whenever Clinton led the way. She didn't just make excuses about Single Payer not being able to get through Congress... she derided it. She adopted GOP attack lines against the ENTIRE fabric of the progressive liberal social safety net with her "free stuff" bullshit and you cheered and cheered and cheered.


THAT is the difference between our camps in this primary. This is not 2008 where Obama and Clinton were extremely ideologically similar and they were replacing a crazy person. It's not 2004. it's not 2000.


This year we had a chance. This year we could have turned the party left instead of just settling for "not as right as the other guys".

And you people manned the establishment barricade and fought the progressives with everything you had to stop it.



And now you think there's gong to be a big kumbaya moment after you did that? That we're going to fall in line and REWARD you for your actions with our support so you can turn around and do it in election after election always knowing no matter how much you screw the left you can wave the scary GOP at us and we'll just take it?


Dream on. If Clinton is the nominee our choice is between the short term horrific pain of a GOP presidency for a term or two... or the long term accumulating pain of continuing to watch Clinton and her other establishment politicians drive the Democratic party more and more to the right with every passing election. And frankly those are equally bad options when you take the long view. And I'm done being complicit in the latter.

[NurseJackie]

82. Actually, I *expect* nothing from you. What you choose to do next is all up to you.

I'm not responsible for your decisions.

Yes, Bernie had "a chance" but he couldn't find a path to success. How is that my fault, or Hillary's fault, or the fault of his supporters or Hillary's supporters. It's just politics. Hillary played the game better and now she'll be the nominee. I'm sure it's disappointing, but it just doesn't make sense to BLAME and HATE Hillary or her supporters because Bernie failed in his attempt.

He may have been "viable" (for a brief time) but he failed to turn it into something that would be successful. That's nobody's fault but his own (or his campaign's, depending.) Frankly, if he couldn't beat Hillary, then there's no way he could ever hope to stand up against Trump. I guess that's the reason we have primaries. A trial run. Not bad for his first foray into national politics, but Hillary's experience and ground game won the day.

So, in spite of the many productive choices available to you, it appears that you've narrowed down the possibilities to those that are fed by grief, anger, disappointment and denial.

You appear to be an intelligent person, so I'll just have to trust that you're making the best decisions for you and whatever makes you feel better. If you believe that "punishing" the party (or the nation) is the best course of action, well, that's your choice.

After you've calmed down, I'd welcome your support for Hillary and the party. But if you choose not to, if you choose to oppose us, or fight against us, you should be aware that I do not care. Do as you please. We'll manage without you somehow.

Peace.

[gcomeau]

86. No... true.

I'm not responsible for your decisions.

You're not. You're just responsible for yours. Which is why reconciliation isn't happening this election. The actions of the Hillary camp have made that a non starter.

Yes, Bernie had "a chance" but he couldn't find a path to success. How is that my fault, or Hillary's fault, or the fault of his supporters or Hillary's supporters.

Are you fucking kidding? Umm... BECAUSE EVERY ACTION YOU TOOK WAS DIRECTED TO THAT END. Do you not understand how elections work? When you vote for one candidate over another candidate you are contributing to the success of the person you chose and the defeat of the person you opposed. You cannot possibly be ignorant of something that damn basic.


Do we blame Bush voters for 200-20008? YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT WE DO. We sure as hell do not just say "oh well nothing to be upset at them for, Gore just 'couldn't find a path to win'".

He "couldn't find a path to win" because of those fucking assholes voting for Bush.

After you've calmed down, I'd welcome your support for Hillary and the party. But if you choose not to, if you choose to oppose us, or fight against us, you should be aware that I do not care.

Of course you don't care, you've made your concern for progressive support abundantly clear in your choice of candidate.

Support for Clinton Never. Ever. Happening.

Not after the shit she and her supporters pulled in this primary. NEVER. She chose a side, and it's against us.

[synergie]

104. You realize that cuts both ways right? The atrocious conduct has been documented

here and is primarily coming from the BS gang as persuing the GD-P and the posts that are left with high rec counts proves.

[gcomeau]

113. That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

I'm talking about an abject betrayal of fundamental liberal principles from Clinton personally right on down through her campaign.

You're talking about some posters on a message board hurting your feelings.


Get a sense of perspective.

[Squinch]

127. We get it. Everyone who doesn't see things your way is the devil. Move on.

[gcomeau]

128. Reading comprehension. Try it sometime. -eom.

[Squinch]

129. All the best to you on your journey through the seven stages!

Though painful, it's often a great learning process.

[gcomeau]

130. If you think this ends in acceptance you're insane. -eom.

[Squinch]

131. Ok, then. Have a good time with that!

[gcomeau]

133. Do you piss off of rooftops....

...and encourage the people standing on the street to have a good time with the precipitation too?

There is no having a good time with any of this if Clinton is made the nominee. At that point there are only bad options... unless of course you're not a liberal then whoop it up! The Democratic party is moving right again! Throw a party.


(I await your inevitable and completely oblivious "oh we will" type response)

[Squinch]

134. And we're back to your argument that anyone who sees things differently from you is the devil.

You seem to be having a very nice time with your misery, so carry on!

And remember: don't have ANY good times! Because if you do you won't be pure anymore.

[gcomeau]

135. Left is left. Right is right. Not complicated.

And there is no ambiguity about which candidate is which in this primary. And given one left candidate and one right candidate who are both *strongly viable* GE contenders there should be no debate on a liberal forum who support should go to.



The devil? No. The people dragging the Democratic party right and fighting tooth and nail to make sure it doesn't move left while they gleefully celebrate every success they experience doing so? Yup.



Not open to rational dispute. Delusional denial? Yes. Rational dispute? No. That's what you're doing.

[Squinch]

136. You say: "There should be no debate on a liberal forum who support should go to"

(Which translates to: YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO!!!!) Then you complain that I won't converse with you.

See, that doesn't really make people take you seriously. And your drama-pants attitude is pretty silly too.

I know you'll keep going with this and repeating that everyone who does not agree with you is the devil while denying that is what you are doing. So I'll bow out of this exchange now because it is inane and dull.

But again, the seven stages are often a painful process but you will learn a lot about yourself and the fact that others are just as entitled to their opinion as you are. You might also get used to the fact that no one cares about your opinions of their purity.

It will do you good. Godspeed, and I am looking forward to seeing you gain some insight.

Fingers crossed for you!

[ibegurpard]

34. poor you

And I can assure you the only pleasure I will be taking in a Democratic Party loss thus November is the misery you will be enduring with me.

[Still In Wisconsin]

101. Agreed. As I posted below, you have every right to twist the knife and dance on our graves.

Such are the spoils of victore. And you, Hillary supporters, are victorious.

[NurseJackie]

123. The needling will subside in due time.

Hang in there.

[ibegurpard]

30. fact

The Democratic Party is now against single-payer healthcare. CONGRATULATIONS HILLARY SUPPORTERZ!

[George II]

8. That was a disgusting way of referring to Clinton over the weekend. And your response was/is.....

..........very classy.

Thanks for the broom. Seems there has been a bit of sweeping this afternoon!!

[UglyGreed]

10. LOL

now I understand the sudden rule change............

[BainsBane]

15. I hope you're not implying that Skinner changed the rules specifically for me

because that would be absurd.

[gcomeau]

17. No, not specifically for you.

Just to enable posters like you.

[BainsBane]

19. I think he made clear

what many of us have known for a long time. The jury system isn't working.

[gcomeau]

22. We can all see fine what he made clear. Thanks.

[UglyGreed]

25. I think you get

my point.....

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Is the broom a gift from Goldman Sachs? Or, Monsanto?

[vintx]

20. Probably the benefactors of the RW military-backed coup in Honduras.

[BainsBane]

24. Would you prefer an AR-15

Or an F-35?

[The Traveler]

21. Thanks for contributing to the denigration of a religious minority

Good job. Very consistent with the values on display around here as expressed by certain members of both camps.

Trav

[BainsBane]

27. Perhaps you should take that up with the folks who created

the BerntheWitch meme, event, and t-shirts?

[The Traveler]

41. Oh, please do point me in the right direction on that one

Somehow I missed it. Partly, I try to let stuff slide ... partly because I have a real demanding job and pretty much only get to look over this site when I have big code builds going on.

But, betcher rear, I would LOVE to have a word with them.

But ... thanks again for piling on.

BTW "witch" is not a gender specific term outside of Hollywood. I'm male. I am a witch. I have been one for 35 years. I worked in the aerospace industry for 16 of those years, and that got me into the environmental movement ('cause it was pretty damn obvious by the mid 80s that stuff was getting serious out there). As a witch, I hold the natural world in reverence. And we're killing it.

But I digress. Feel free to celebrate any way you wish. It doesn't matter.

Trav

[George II]

46. Here:

http://www.vocativ.com/news/296232/bern-the-witch-bernie-sanders-supporter-speaks-out/

A "Bern the witch" event was even publicized on Sanders' official website.

[BainsBane]

49. Here is a screenshot.

and a twitter feed with that hashtag: https://twitter.com/hashtag/BernTheWitch?src=hash

[NurseJackie]

58. Amazing. Unbelievable!

Disgusting!

[DawgHouse]

117. Wow! That's horrible.

[MaggieD]

26. Re-Rec

And if they hide it we will just post it again. Thank you for taking that nasty misogynistic Bernie campaign meme and turning it on its head.

[guillaumeb]

51. Well said and an excellent example to all.

The electoral work and the politeness.

[BainsBane]

53. Thank you.

[Deadshot]

56. Not really a clean sweep when Hillary's only winning by a few hundred delegates

when not counting the superdelegats.

[BainsBane]

64. She has twice the delegates he does

but whatever. Reality will set in eventually.

The sweep refers to wins in five states. Three of them were by significant margins. Florida, which has the biggest delegate haul, was a blowout.

[Deadshot]

124. Superdelegates don't count until the National Convention.

[BainsBane]

125. The national convention is where the nomination is officially voted on

Whether you consider superdelegates "to count" is neither here nor there. Tad Devine apparently thinks earned delegates don't really count either. He is mistaken. http://thetab.com/us/2016/03/16/bernies-campaign-thinks-can-get-hillarys-pledged-delegates-defect-2690

[mcar]

57. K&R

[DemonGoddess]

65. K&R!

Very FUNNY picture!

[seabeyond]

75. You are awesome woman. Better than me. And you have kicked ass and well deserve

to celebrate your win. !!!

[ffr]

77. Whoot! K&R

Thank you!!

[SunSeeker]

84. Thank you for all your hard work. So glad to have you back!

[BainsBane]

87. You're welcome

and thank you!

[Turin_C3PO]

98. Of course you

do have a right to celebrate. And that meme is nasty, I'm sorry it came from my candidate's side of the fence. My position on both candidates' supporters is that sore winning and sore losing are very middle school. I don't find your posted meme over the top, BTW, especially considering what it's in response to.

[BainsBane]

105. Thanks. I appreciate that

[Still In Wisconsin]

99. You won, Hillary supporters. You have a right to twist the knife.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

102. Enjoy your Tuesday victory while you can

[DisgustipatedinCA]

107. Looks to me as though we still have a primary, and also that Sanders voters don't forget easily.

See you in June.

[BainsBane]

115. Funny how the only people who believe that

are some Bernie supporters here and Trump himself.
The rest of the GOP is certain he'll be demolished.
I suppose you can always hope for a Trump victory, but that won't make it so. Given the predictions about the Democratic primary around here, there is no reason to believe that Hillary's detractors can foretell the political future.

[Cha]

118. OMG! That is Perfecto, BB!

E Como Mai! Mahalo for all your work for Hillary!

[BainsBane]

119. Thanks, Cha.

Much appreciated.

[riversedge]

120. Love the Graphic.

[DemonGoddess]

121. K&R!

[ismnotwasm]

122. K&R

[warrprayer]

132. - 1000

[Cha]

137. KICK!