This is my BIG FEAR if Clinton is the nominee

[Armstead]

I'm going to have some naive faith in my fellow Americans and believe that the Dems could run SpongeBob Squarepants and defeat Trump.....(But if the GOP nominee happens to end up being Kaisich, I'm not so sure. )

What my real fear -- and yes it is a fear -- is that if Clinton and the Democratic Establishment no longer have to worry about that pesky Sanders guy and the Berniebros, that the core issue of Wealth and Power is going to be dropped by the wayside like the proverbial hot potato.

Oh sure there'll be "chicken in every pot" rhetoric about a square deal for working people, tweaking Obamacare, maybe a little mild finger wagging at those naughty CEO's. And of course we'll all be up in arms against the Big Bad GOP.

But I worry that the CORE ISSUE of the systemic and obscene concentration of political power, money and overall influence of Immoral Monopolistic Corporations, Ruthless Wall St. scam artists and the dominance of the new Robber Barons and the Elite Class will go back to the shadows. Instead will we get another bland Tapioca Democrat campaign?

"Free Trade" and the TPP -- and its more noxious sibling, the upcoming TransAtlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (http://billmoyers.com/2015/03/20/john-hilary-proposed-ttip-agreement-profoundly-undemocratic/ ) -- will go back to being ignored. The Big Con will continue unabated, gutting national sovereignty, workers rights and basic liberal/progressive values in the name of the Global Corporate Imperative.

Will we continue to allow Big Banks and Big Corporations continue to morph into increasingly big and powerful monoliths?

These are NOT single issues or remote issues or irrelevant issues. They are at the CENTER of why the poor are being abandoned, the working class is being screwed, the middle class is shrinking -- and planet earth is gasping for breath.

This structural distortion impacts other individual issues and is a major reason the nation cannot seem to ties its own shoelaces, in terms of making any progress.

Sanders provided a rare Wake Up Call to the mainstream. And even if he doesn't get enough primary viotes or delegates to win, his message has RESONATED.

If this is ignored during the General Election and after -- the chickens that are already arriving, will really come home to roost, no matter which team wins the WH and Congress.

[Kelvin Mace]

1. Do you remember how quickly we were cast aside after Obama won?

You know, when he appointed people hostile to liberal values to key positions.

[villager]

3. Yup. That's when we knew we had Nelson Rockefeller in the Oval Office, and not campaign-trail Obama.

nt

[artislife]

28. Yes, there really is little incentive to vote for the establishment

It only encourages them.

[840high]

102. This is the year

I won't vote for the establishment. Feels so good.

[jello]

76. yes, how quickly he forgot HOPE and CHANGE and YES, WE CAN!!

[Odin2005]

84. And then they blamed the voters for low turnout in 2010.

[CoffeeCat]

101. Yes, and Obama is more Progressive than HRC

Clinton is a corporatist for sure and very entrenched with powerful interests. Obama is a bit better than Clinton, when it comes to corporate know towing. I think Obama is a good and decent person. However, outer current campaign-finance system leaves politicians beholden to these interests.

Obama is much more reasonable and Progressive when it comes to matters of foreign policy--and that should be alarming to EVERYONE. Hillary is a full blown neocon. The founder of the neocon movement, Robert Kagan, endorsed Hillary two weeks ago.

Kagan also served as one of her foreign-policy advisers while she was at State.

She decimated Libya for the neocons. Libya is one of the countries the neocons identified as a target in 1986 in their manifesto "Rebuilding America's Defenses."

Obama never knew about HRC's private server. What do you want to bet that most of the Libya planning happened on that server?

Obama has held the line on an all-out war in Syria. He negotiated the Iran deal to take war with Iran off the table.

If Hillary is at the helm, there would be no one to stop these wars. It will be a Middle East shit show. And these neocons are simpletons. They thought Iraq would be a cakewalk. Iran is no Iraq.

It is frightening to contemplate these neocons in power without anyone to say no to their crazy.

I'm holding out hope that some extraordinary turn of events derails the current political trajectory. There's got to be some people with power who can stop this.

The fallout from a neocon takeover is just too frightening to contemplate for our country and for our planet.

[peacebird]

2. Your fear is well founded. Hillary will not lead on this issue. I suspect she cannot wait to be able

To pivot hard right for the general.

[thereismore]

35. I think she is furious that Bernie won't let her go campaign against Trump. In the meantime, Trump

started running ads against Hillary. She is in a bind. If she pivots to the right as she is itching to, she might lose the nomination. If she doesn't, she might get further damaged by one-sided attacks from Trump. I don't really sympathize. She is still a terrible candidate.

[panader0]

59. Why are the two parties fielding the two worst candidates?

Good Grief! I am dismayed this year. I am 65, so I don't really worry too much for myself, but my kids.......

[thereismore]

62. Let's be real: it's not the parties. It's the people

who vote for these candidates. The people are democracy's main problem.

[tex-wyo-dem]

61. She is itching to settle back to her real self...

a center-right neo-liberal with neo-con foreign policy tendencies. Be assured that at the first opportunity, all that lofty progressive feel-good rhetoric will be cast aside like an old shirt and Hillary's true self will be blatantly obvious.

With Bernie in the race until the convention it really does put her in a pickle

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. Thank you--your fears echo my own.

I don't think her heart is really in those fights. I suspect that she will pivot right back to her basic center-right views, and that will be detrimental to us all.

[liberal_at_heart]

5. Between all the jobs lost to trade agreements and the financial collapse of 2008, the American

people have woken up to the fact that they have been screwed and they are pissed off. Either the Democratic Party will listen to the people or the party will die. If Hillary is the nominee and she doesn't really listen to the people, there will be a low turnout for the GE, and no amount of GOP and Trump boogeyman rhetoric will be able to get people to the poles. "Hey, we're better than the crazy GOP or crazy Trump" will not be good enough to get people to actually show up at the polls. I have a bad feeling about this GE if it is Hillary vs Trump. The campaigning will get so nasty I think the American people will simply tune out just as they always do. The people are tired of politicians doing nothing more than saying "Hey look at how awful that guy is". They want real freakin answers as to how we are going to create jobs with living wages in this country.

[marions ghost]

82. good post!

"The people have woken up to the fact that they have been screwed..."

That's why nothing is working like it is supposed to in this election year.

We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

[Lorien]

96. True.

[MaggieD]

6. Well your core problem is that.....

.... you don't realize the elected Dems are ALREADY against income inequality. So just relax. And stop blaming Dems for shit republicans do.

[Armstead]

11. They have had remarkably little stomach to tackle the real reasons for it

[MaggieD]

14. No, I am just more informed about the issues, apparently

[Armstead]

19. I bow to your higher wisdom

[MelissaB]

27. OMG! You continue to crack me up.

[MaggieD]

30. You're welcome to try to prove me wrong -- go for it

I'll wait.

[MelissaB]

38. Why would I waste time with someone who ignores answers when given & continues to ask & ask & ask?

I won't.

[BillZBubb]

105. Your problem is you don't realize how much you don't know.

All you know is you support Hillary. Everything else you say spills from that.

[floriduck]

23. I wish I could believe that.

But when both of my US Senators from Washington vote for the TPP to help Boeing, Microsoft and others, I don't see that as trying to help the middle class income growth. When Barbara Milkuski and other Dems supported the Cromnibus bill that loosened the regulations on banking investments, I have difficulty in buying into your statement. Believe me, I wish I could rely on your perspective but the evidence isn't supporting it.

[artislife]

34. Exactly.

I am also a WA Dem and that label is soon to be removed if I get riled enough. What is the use of voting for liberal women if they act like conservative men?

[artislife]

31. Not really.

Not enough to do anything substantial.

Ho hum, middle of the road.

[Scootaloo]

51. If they were they'd be working to address it

They're not doing that. In fact most seem too busy circling their wagons around the firms their High Roller Donors represent.

[Ken Burch]

78. The centrist elected Dems aren't. Only those in the progressive wing of the party.

You help nothing with the "shut up and do what you're told" posts.

[johnnyrocket]

90. When has a mainstream Dem EVER mentioned income inequality?

There's a total of TWO, Sanders and Warren.


That's it.

[Hoyt]

7. I think you will be surprised. Remember FDR wasn't particularly liberal when first elected.

[Armstead]

13. I hope so

In this case I would love to eat crow.

[Hoyt]

17. I'll eat it with you, just to celebrate a better country.

[Blue State Bandit]

40. I don't remember FDR having close-enough ties to Wall St. that...

he was invited to "Break Ground" on their new offices.




Hillary will need to give, and I mean really give substantial concessions, like Lincoln Team of Rivals appointment type concessions to the Berniecrats to assuage the Democratic Left that she heard us.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

104. We're you alive when FDR was president?

Your comment implies you were.

FDR was wealthy as was JFK two highly respected liberal. Did you know FDR's grandfather Warren Delano made his fortune dealing opium to the Chinese?

Not saying FDR was a drug dealer but I think the reality is many of our liberal heroes are not as pure as we make them out to be.

[Blue State Bandit]

108. A ground breaking is a media event. And FDR broke the banks apart.

Are you, a poster on Democratic Underground, really going to throw shade on FDR with the implication that he would break ground to build an industry that he, as history records it, dismantled? The same industry that tried to recruit General Smedley Butler into an act of treason against him?

Which other liberal iconoclasts are we going to throw under the bus this election season to protect the "perennial presumptive nominee"?

Wow.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

109. You didn't answer my question

So you attack me instead. How typical of the Sandernistas.

Hillary Clinton was Senator from New York where Wall Street is located. FDR was governor of New York so it's possible he may have attended such a ground breaking. I don't know and neither do you because it's clear you're not old enough remember.

So please stop with the phony outrage.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

110. And may I add as you well know Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat

He's admitted he's only used the party to get national attention. Hillary however is so as I said stop the phony outrage.

[salinsky]

47. I've been thinking along this same line ...

... she may be more liberal than I would expect, and she will certainly be more liberal than the Bernie Bros suggest.

But, if she turns out not to be, primary her ass in four years.

What should not be a point of contention, is that she is most certainly a better choice than that Trump goon, or God forbid, Ted Cruz.

[Hoyt]

74. I think primary her rear if she doesn't deliver.

[still_one]

8. No matter who is the Democratic nominee, nothing can be taken for granted or assumed. National poll

while they provide interesting conversation, are not accurate. For one thing, a President is elected by states through the electoral college, not by total number of votes nationally. Another thing is until each party determines their respective nominee, it is only hypothetical.

[upaloopa]

9. Let me say this. We Hillary supporters want the same things you do.

We are not scared. The Hillary that is spoken about in GDP does not exist.


She was invented as a foil to help Bernie's campaign. There is no reason for you to give up your dreams.

Before we can have change we have to have the power to make it happen. That means being in control of the White House and Congress and the Supreme Court.

We can have that but it takes work.

We also need to work on state and local campaigns.

If we all work for the Dem candidate and VOTE in November we can beat any repub.

[MaggieD]

15. +1

[Armstead]

18. My interpretation differs

I'll just leave it at that for now.

[upaloopa]

21. I know it does. I hope we all have a bright future

[Doctor_J]

25. .

No you don't

[upaloopa]

43. At what point do we start caring more about beating repubs than each other?

[passiveporcupine]

63. "The Hillary that is spoken about in GDP does not exist.

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She was invented as a foil to help Bernie'"

The fact that you believe this is what really scares me. Those of us who have known Hillary since her days in the white house, are not making stuff up for Bernie. Yes, I've seen a few stories here that make me roll my eyes (right wing crap), but much of what has been expressed here is real fear for her actual policies and past errors that have not changed her one bit. She has had some positives, but not enough to outweigh her negatives and we can't afford eight more years of who she really is.

I didn't know Bernie from Bumpkiss, but once I heard his message and learned what a consistent and staunch fighter he has been for all of us, and knowing how I already felt about neocons and Hillary, I immediately climbed on his wagon. Not because he was some kind of GOD, but because he was finally revealing a way out of the mess this country is in.

And I don't think you realize (obviously not, since you wrote this)...how terrifying Hillary in the white house again is to those of us who "know" her history, and who have seen the slow decline of our country under moderate centrist democracy.

And watching her in this campaign has done nothing to assuage my fears. She is Hillary as usual.

[oasis]

10. Prospects for the Supreme Court will be given more consideration by

voters in the 2016 election than in any other time in history.

The GOP would have it so.

[Armstead]

16. I'm talking about much bigger that the SC

The reason the SC has been so awful (with a few exceptions) is because they are installed by a corrupt political system.

[artislife]

32. They can stall as long as they want.

Lets be clear.

The next likely judges to pass away are probably liberal. If they don't have to replace them now, what make you think if Hillary is the unlikely POTUS, they will have hearings for her nominees?

This government is in free fall.

Maybe we should just step out of the way.

[oasis]

45. The GOP stated the American people should decide who gets on SCOTUS

by virtue of the 2016 elections. Once Hillary becomes President, how would it look for them to continue block every Clinton SC nominee?

And remember, she'll have at least two more SC picks during her first term.

[artislife]

46. Because they can stall

Besides, she isn't going to win.

[leftofcool]

48. You sure have a lot of confidence in Donald Trump

[artislife]

50. No, I just read the comments in a Yahoo news section

As a whole, the people will vote for him.

I'm Latina, so I don't love him. But I don't love hillary, either.

[Else You Are Mad]

12. On the brightside...

Many progressives still feel burned (pun fully intended) after Obama shifted to the right -- a fact, I hope, the Clinton campaign knows. That, combined with the fact that she is already on thin ice with a large portion of the progressive wing of the party (I did not say Bernie supporters because it goes beyond just that group, but they are included) Hillary may not shift to the right. If she does, in four years, I have no doubt another progressive will probably primary her as a result. There is too much passion for us to allow 8 more years of the same moderatr status quo.

This country is still better off with a Clinton presidency, but we cannot take 4 more years of the status quo.

[Skwmom]

20. They plan on using bipartisanship to cede U.S. sovereignty to multinational corporations thus

doing a BIG end run around pesky U.S. laws.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511077892

[restorefreedom]

52. sadly, it wont even require bipartisanship

at that level its really all one party anyway..the money party

[Skwmom]

67. But they are pushing the bipartisanship myth again. They engage in plenty of bipartisanship to

deliver to the 1%.

[restorefreedom]

71. yes, it is a myth. and a big show. we peons keep voting d vs r like it really matters

meanwhile, the ptb are laughing their asses off while they toast d and r muck e mucks on a yacht somewhere drinking $1000 champagne

truly sickening.

[WhiteTara]

22. He should leverage his message at the convention

and get behind the nominee and work to keep up the change through the process, but to splinter the party is a recipe for disaster.

[ibegurpard]

24. this is not a fear

This is reality backed up by her record.

[Lizzie Poppet]

26. Anyone who thinks HRC will be even slightly less of a corporate sockpuppet after securing the nom...

...than she's always been (once she doesn't have to pretend otherwise any more) is a stone fool.

And I agree: this is the issue of the campaign. Without unfucking the societal power structure, nothing else we want is going to get accomplished.

[marew]

36. +1! n/t

[artislife]

37. Hear hear! nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

65. No shortage of stone fools so it would seem.

[lostnfound]

29. That's exactly what will happen, but you forgot the militarism.

The two things that the two faces of "the money party" as Chomsky describe them agree on are corporatism and militarism.
Oh, and an excuse to expand the police state. Maybe they've completed their design objectives on that one already, though, and it won't get any worse.

Unless Bernie's fortunes make a rapid turnaround with the next few states, i'll probably spend my time between now and November figuring out which military stocks and thinks I should invest in. I'll show up in November to vote against Trump, but I won't do more than that. .

American people don't generally want perpetual war and generally don't want corporate control over their government, but if you want to sail up wind, you just have to have a little "tack to the left, tack to the right, tack to the left, tack to the right game" going on. That's how you sail upwind..

[Ferd Berfel]

33. agree - "back to the shadows"

The Status Quo Party will make sure of it. And they will do everything they can to make sure The Left never raises it's ugly head again.

[DJ13]

83. This election is the perfect smokescreen to realign the two parties

The elites will use the extremism of Trump to fully take over the Democratic party, while pushing out anyone to the left of Hillary.

We werent far from that point at the start of this election, Bernie was our last best hope to maintain the integrity of our party.

[Ferd Berfel]

100. agree.

uniparty will become the Kabuki Party

[tokenlib]

39. If we lose ..we will be discounted and betrayed as usual...

There is no profit for Hillary and the DNC establishment in caring for the many as opposed to the few. So we changed the conversation for a moment??? The status quo marches on with TPP, the masses will keep losing ground economically...and Hillary's friends will prosper.
If we lose we lose...

[seabeyond]

41. You know what, work out the issues as they come. But, create an "end of the world" is not gonna

happen. What I have learned on the internet is how people create a falsehood for everyone to live, and it is not happening.

You know, like... Obama is going to take all the guns and put all rw'ers in a camp.

They are still living that. Well. A lot of the projection about Clinton didn't happen. She is a strong candidate. She is in an excellent position. But Sanders people just cannot get behind that.

Not my problem and not something I will be living. When I see an issue, I will address. Not making shit up to have angst about it.

[Armstead]

53. Over the last four decades the cumulative damage caused by ignoring these issues...

keeps stacking up.

We have entered a New Gilded Age. When you have a family with 6 members worth $147 BILLION dollars, while their employees have to live on Food Stamps, and they have gained that by wiping out local retailers across the country.....something is wrong.

If you took a snapshot of many American towns and cities that were once prosperous and are now hollowed out shells, so the CEO can make another $30 million a year in bonuses....something is wrong.

And these things did not happem overnight. It was a long slow process that has been ignored at every step of the way.

[BreakfastClub]

42. I think Hillary is going to surprise a lot of people if she wins. She will

govern to the left of Obama, IMO.

[liberal_at_heart]

44. Seriously? How will she pay for anything other than war? She is very hawkish.

We spend trillions on war. How is she going to pay for any social service programs if we are paying trillions to fight wars?

[mountain grammy]

49. Don't see that for a second..

She is definitely to the right of Obama

[tularetom]

64. I want some of whatever you're smoking

Theres an awful lot of room to the left of Obama so it wouldn't be hard for somebody to govern to the left of him. But Clinton is the last person to do it.

She's just jonesing to rip up Obamas Iran deal and bomb the place. She wants to make peace with Nuttyyahoo. Wants to establish a no fly zone in Syria. Loves Kissinger.

[Ken Burch]

79. After campaigning to the right of Obama?

After treating activists as the enemy her entire career?

[BillZBubb]

106. That's either wishful thinking or lunacy.

[merrily]

54. The bell Sanders has been ringing all over the country cannot be unrung, esp. with Millennials.

[Karma13612]

55. +100 eom

[Armstead]

56. I hope you're right

[merrily]

60. People are hearing "It doesn't have to be this way." They are SEEING a campaign with no dark money.

They are seeing a "self avowed" Democratic Socialist getting millions of votes, and on and on.

Everything everyone said was impossible about this campaign is now taken for granted.

Remember "he won't even carry Vermont?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280109865

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778005

[Karma13612]

57. I hope with all my heart that the fuse of the revolution has been lit and

that the flame will not go out - regardless of who takes up residence in the White House.

I'm gonna need time before I can accept our 'presumptive nominee'

I want to turn back the clock and start the process over, but this time, with everyone more knowledgeable about Bernie so more of the early primaries would have gone to us.

I am with Bernie right to the end, but as I do in much of my live, I always anticipate and prepare for what is likely to happen.

sigh,

time for more cookies.

[AgadorSparticus]

58. What ifs? There are no guarantees in life. I love Bernie but those are promises, not guarantees.

[Bettie]

66. I'm not afraid it will happen

I know that it will happen.

Then, if she is elected, we're back to corporate persons as the only persons who matter, until the next election when we get lip service to actual humans for a few months, then back to usual program of ensuring that the 1% get exponentially richer while the rest of us get poorer at the same rate.

[Armstead]

69. Yep the old Merry Go Round

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

68. “History has tried hard to teach us that we can’t have good government under politicians.

“History has tried hard to teach us that we can’t have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of the government couldn’t be wise.” Mark Twain

[Armstead]

70. We have a good politician with Bernie.....I'd be comfortable with him stuck to the top

Hillary not so much

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

77. As politicians go, Bernie certainly doesn't fit the usual stereotype.

And is, therefore, least injurious to the nose.

[yurbud]

72. Hillary is already promising far less than Obama did. ..

I doubt that she will even match his modest progressive record.

[Bill USA]

73. you'd be a lot better off if you hadn't heard people chanting GOP propaganda against HRC

I know Sanders people are as transfixed with GOP McCarthyist bull about Clinton as the GOP base is, but she is not the horrible, evil witch they want poeple to think she is. (here's a tip: the GOP are the one's you can't trust-- really!)

Re: Citizens United, she was taking aim at that horrendous decision before Bernie was a serious candidate....

Hillary Clinton Announces Koch Killing Plan To Get Rid Of Citizens United
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/08/hillary-clinton-long-time-democracy-killing-nemesis-citizens-united.html

Citizens United has been going after Clintons since 1992 and now they’re going to feel the heat.

Hillary Clinton has a plan to go after the nefarious dark money that’s trying to buy elections and it goes beyond a Constitutional amendment. It’s fair to say that of anyone talking about Citizens United, no one has been on the receiving end of their nefarious lies like 2016 Democratic Presidential candidate and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Watch her campaign video here, which details some of the problems resulting from the disastrous Citizens United decision:

Citizens United started by a conservative group that was lobbying against Hillary Clinton, so Clinton starts off saying it’s personal. Knowing that, her statement takes on a new edge.

“We have to end the flood of secret, unaccountable money that is distorting our elections, corrupting our political system, and drowning out the voices of too many everyday Americans. Our democracy should be about expanding the franchise, not charging an entrance fee,” Clinton said in a campaign statement. “It starts with overturning the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision, and continues with structural reform to our campaign finance system so there’s real sunshine and increased participation.”

Details of Clinton’s plan were released by her campaign Tuesday and include:

[blockquote style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:10px;"]· Overturning Citizens United by appointing Supreme Court Justices who value the right to vote over the right of billionaires to buy elections, and by pushing for a Constitutional amendment to allow common sense rules to protect against undue influence from special interests and restore the role of average voters in elections.

· Ending Secret, Unaccountable Money in Politics by pushing for legislation to require public disclosure of significant political spending, and, until Congress acts, promoting SEC rulemaking requiring publicly traded companies to disclose all political spending to their shareholders and signing an Executive Order requiring federal government contractors to fully disclose all political spending.

· Amplifying the Voices of Everyday Americans by establishing a small donor matching system for presidential and congressional candidates that will incentivize small donors to participate in elections and candidates to spend more time engaging a broad, representative cross-section of constituents.

(more)

[Armstead]

81. I'm wayyyyyyyy beyond being influenced by GOP propaganda

My views have been shaped by decades that has nothing to do with GOP propaganda, except reaction against it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1508459

[nichomachus]

87. You have to understand

That claiming you're repeating RW propaganda is team Hillary's way of putting you down and demeaning you instead of responding to your arguments.

That's all they do here on DU. They don't make defensible arguments about why Hillary is better than Bernie -- or even why Hillary is a good candidate.

Any time someone posts something critical of Hillary -- no matter how true, all they do is:

Accuse you of repeating RW propaganda
Criticizing the source -- apparently the only acceptable source at this point are Hillary press releases
Post demeaning things like "yawn, eye-rolling icons, etc.
Etc.

[Armstead]

88. Oh I know...Up is down...left is right....We've always been at war with Eurasia

[Lorien]

97. Hillary is a monster, and evidence of that comes from Centrist and Left leaning sources:

Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:

Hillary's campaign had a gender pay gap: http://freebeacon.com/politics/hillary-clintons-campaign-has-a-gender-pay-problem/

Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

Hillary on Gay marriage in 2004:

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Hillary open to raising the retirement age and reducing SS benefits: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-indicates-she-is-open-to-raising-the-retirement-age.html

Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

When you ask me to vote for Hillary: https://medium.com/@Lookingforrobyn/when-you-ask-me-to-vote-for-hillary-174becdb5ccc#.2ixs3cg5o

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans:http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

The political compass finds Bernie to be the most centrist candidate, Hillary falls into the right wing Authoritarian spectrum:: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Bernie rejects big fundraising events: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-03-26/bernie-sanders-hates-money-in-politics-the-very-thing-he-ll-need-to-beat-clinton

Debunking the "Bernie has a Super PAC" lie: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/debunking-the-big-bernie-sanders-has-a-superpac-lie/

Elizabeth Warren on Hillary Clinton: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/986305904741661/

A comparison of bills put forth by Bernie and Hillary: http://giphy.com/gifs/clinton-vs-sanders-bills-passed-according-to-congressgov-3o6gaQaIZcGAW7hCfu

Hillary helps a bank, which then funnels millions to the Clintons: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

Under Sanders, incomes and jobs would soar:http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/

Electing Bernie would usher a wave of "Bernie Democrats" into Congress: https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress

Bernie vows to stop disastrous TPP deal: http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/05/sanders-stop-tpp-deal/

Bernie's foreign policy positions are solid and through: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is dismal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Bernie has plenty of foreign policy knowledge: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is a disaster: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Top economist, UN advisor and climate activist: "Clinton is a danger to world peace" http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/15/1485382/-Top-economist-UN-advisor-and-climate-activist-Clinton-is-a-danger-to-world-peace

The pragmatic case for Bernie Sanders: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-pragmatic-case-for-bernie-sanders/462720/

Who could beat Trump? Bernie by a wide margin, while Hillary could lose against him: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html

Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump 51-38 in a general-election: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/poll-against-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-would-get-schlonged-20151223#ixzz3zvCwk44J

Poll shows that Hillary could easily lose to Trump in the General election: http://www.inquisitr.com/2667052/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-could-easily-lose-to-donald-trump-in-general-election/

Hillary voted to allow more carcinogens in drinking water: http://usuncut.com/news/hillary-clinton-groundwater-pollution/

In Europe, Sanders would be Center-Right: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-01-19/in-europe-sanders-would-be-center-right

Republicans like and respect Bernie: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/bernie-sanders-is-a-loud-stubborn-socialist-republicans-like-him-anyway/450597/



Hillary's actions on these issues and more mean that I and many others WILL NEVER SUPPORT HER. She's no different than McCain or George W. Bush on the issues, but DNC loyalists are too blinded by their Sports fan like fanaticism and MSM/ Wall Street propaganda to every see or acknowledge the horrific truth of:

Iraq war support
TPP support
KXL support (suspended until the price of oil rises)
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for-Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home (to be raped and murdered)
Using her position as SoS to push FRACKING on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras- she backed militants who slaughtered innocent women, children, and sent death squads to kill gay people
DESPERATELY wants a war with Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Supported ended Glass-Steagall, which lead to the recession of 2007 and record income injustice
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
Pro increased carcinogens in drinking water
Clinton policies lead to the largest mass incarceration of human beings in the history of the world
and the list goes on...

But the "Progressive" reaction to all of the above?

[Buns_of_Fire]

99. A Constitutional Amendment would be good, but

we're looking at several more election cycles (at best) before the state legislatures can be cleansed of the accumulated toxic waste that has been allowed to build up for that to happen.

I hear some are calling for a Constitutional Convention to take care of it. I hope that doesn't happen. Once such a thing is opened, I fear it could be a can of worms the size of the Exxon Valdez -- with potentially similar results.

[jello]

75. bizness as usual, yep

We will reap what we sow, and if we nominate Hillary the DINO and whether she wins or not, which I think NOT, you laid it out...all will be forgotten, swept under rug, and busyness as usual for d.c. politics and our used-to-be democratic country.

[OkSustainAg]

80. Lots of reasons I say she is the wrong vote

Economically the majority of the candidates in the race from the beginning on both sides are in the same Boat.
Manufacturing jobs are not coming back no matter what is promised.
Michigan is proof. Heavy industry destroys the environment. Automation (Including better computers) will eliminate more jobs (Including financial middle class ones).
People keep wanting to delude themselves that it is not their job is not in jeopardy.
Countries are already experimenting with basic wage. (Post work society). We will be behind on this.
Large investors are going to invest all over the world. Without taxing them our nation will not benefit.
No matter who the president is will not change these outcomes.
I went for Bernie because he is Left of everyone else.

[Gregorian]

85. The Clinton's sold the Democratic party.

You better believe principles don't mean anything to them.

Honestly, I have heard from more than one person saying that Trump is literally less dangerous than Hillary. I did a double take, and even responded, but after hearing the arguments, I'm not so sure they're wrong.

Hillary knows the tricks of the trade. She has connections. Her foreign policy is rotten. Trump actually has a better foreign policy (if you believe in fairies).

[Armstead]

86. Trump is more dangerous and would be a disaster

But that's no excuse for the Democrats to keep veering to the right.

[johnnyrocket]

89. Yep, I'm noticing that Hillary's camp is not taking Trump seriously...

...he will HAMMER her on populism...and the Democrats better be ready to respond, or it will get ugly.

[Lorien]

98. That's because they know that he's on her team

He's the boogyman that is supposed to drive reluctant left wing votes to her, since they both know that there's no way in Hell that she would win otherwise.

http://inequalityreport.org/2015/08/09/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-black-lives-matter-the-theft-of-an-election/

Ohio would have gone to Bernie if Independents hadn't panicked and voted for Kaisch. Watch for Trump's rhetoric to get MUCH crazier as the election draws closer!

[randome]

91. I think the fears of trade deals are overblown.

Manufacturing has been largely replaced by digital services and we were headed in that direction before NAFTA and before TPP.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Armstead]

93. Trade deals are just part of the Big Picture

Look at the patterns that have happened in almost every sector of the economy. We have allowed massive monopolies to control both individual industries and many others as well.

That allows for huge concentration of wealth and power. It has also allowed them to buy the government and both political parties.

Free trade is just one of the tools those immoral and way-too-powerful Monopolistic Corporations use to stifle competition and undermine the standard of living to enrich themselves.

It is all connected.

And no I am not a All you have to do is read up on economic trends, political events and social trends and economic figures since the 1970's.

We have entered a New Gilded Age. When you have a family with 6 members worth $147 BILLION dollars, while their employees have to live on Food Stamps, and they have gained that by wiping out local retailers across the country.....something is wrong.

If you took a snapshot of many American towns and cities that were once prosperous and are now hollowed out shells, so the CEO can make another $30 million a year in bonuses....something is wrong.

And these things did not happem overnight. It was a long slow process that has been ignored at every step of the way.

[imagine2015]

92. Kick

[cpwm17]

94. My biggest fear is that she will continue to be a big supporter of the the brown-lives-don't-matter

movement, and the body count will continue to grow. She doesn't seem to know a war that she doesn't support.

Murdering brown people is equally as evil as murdering white and black people, regardless if they are foreign or American. Most Americans don't really realize that fact, especially Hillary.

[Lorien]

95. My biggest fear:

As Bernie has said; our most pressing issue is climate change, and that isn't even on the DLC/ DNC's radar, while the GOP is totally in denial. The science and evidence is clear: if we don't take fairly drastic steps immediately, rising global temperatures will very swiftly (within the next decade or two) lead to massive floods, droughts, global military conflict, a refugee crisis unlike any the world has ever seen, lost coastal communities, stronger storms, global famine, and ultimately ecological collapse which will in turn cause atmospheric collapse (not enough oxygen to sustain life). Ocean flora provides 65% of our oxygen, rain forests the other 35%. We're destroying the latter for cattle feed and pasture and palm oil plantations at a completely unsustainable rate. The former is being destroyed by rising sea temperatures, pollution and biodiversity loss. Our economy won't be much of an issue when there isn't enough oxygen to fill our lungs or those of any other species on the planet.

Hillary has pushed Fracking on Nations that don't want it; she is no friend to the environment. I can never bring myself to vote for Hillary, but I certainly wouldn't vote for Trump either. I haven't given up on Bernie! But if it comes down to it, I'll vote for the Green Party candidate (I think Stein has a challenger this year). A write in candidate won't count in my State, so that would make no difference at all.

My biggest fear is that no one under the age of 10 will live to see 40 with Hillary the one woman planet killer in control, and that's optimistic.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/telliottmbamsc/blog/2015/04/one-women-climate-killer-how-hillary-clintons-state-department-sol

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jul/07/research.waste

[Aerows]

103. I wish I had *only* one.

I have a multitude, unfortunately.

[tabasco]

107. The same problem that caused the near-collapse of American society in 1929-1935.

Concentration of wealth at the top 1% and the reduction of wealth of the 99%.

Let's just ignore it , like Herbert Hoover.

Of course, there are now more "safeguards" to ensure the security of the 1%'s wealth.