2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPopular vote so far (in millions): Hillary-8.66, Trump-7.45, Bernie-5.91
Bernie keeps saying that he has a better chance of beating Donald Trump. In fact, he is trailing him in the popular vote. The only person who beats Trump is Hillary. Hillary beats Trump by more than 1.2 million votes. She's beating Sanders by 2.75 million so far.
If Bernie can't beat Hillary, how the hell does he think he is going to beat Trump. Numbers don't lie. Hillary is the best person to beat Trump and she's already doing it.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Bernie is going to kick ass.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)1. Big states are coming
Bernie is going to kick ass.
Like New YorK:
Empire State Shock Poll -Clinton 71% Sanders 23%
Clinton and Sanders have similar favorability numbers with likely Democratic primary voters. Her favorable/unfavorable ratio is 82%/15% (+67); his is 63%/26% (+37). However Clinton garners far more loyalty: 85% of those who view her favorably plan to vote for her in the primary, while only 31% who have a favorable view of Sanders intend to vote for him.
http://www.theecps.com/
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and that's if he's still running in June. I personally hope he is, as my Rep is trying to get the two of them to come and debate in my town. Frankly I don't see why they would, but it's a fine idea.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)We will get decimated in New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Maryland.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Acknowledge, or game over in November. They're mobilized like crazy, and we have an enthusiasm gap of historic proportions.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Thanks for that!
p.s. let's say they split Bernie's vote, for all the usual reasons: Hillary still wins.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I think Clinton does not motivate new or inconsistant voters to the polls. She gets all the usual Dem voters, but not much else.
Add to that the intense hatred many on the right have towards her she will not get any of them to vote for against trump.
Bernie has a real groundswell of voters and is also an acceptable choice for more moderate conservatives over Trump.
I think she is a risky candidate.
That's my opinion.
RAFisher
(466 posts)There could be. But how strong is the correlation? It seems hard to believe that these votes from a non-random assortment swing states and non-swing states are better at predicting the general election than hypothetical national polling.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Caucuses don't have the same turn out, but are great way to show mobilizing effort and build energy for voter engagement.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)This is meaningless data otherwise