Think Again Hillary Democrats: Ten Reasons Why She Could Lose this Fall

[shawn703]

The media tells us that Hillary has a lock on the nomination. That news should make her supporters extremely nervous, and not because the prognosticators have been wrong so many times already. All Democrats should worry because her major policy and character flaws could leave us with a Republican president this fall. Here’s why.

1. The Senator from Wall Street: This is not 1972 when the country was so deeply divided over the Vietnam War. That upheaval wrecked the Democratic Party and led to the Nixon landslide over George McGovern. Now the country is united against Wall Street. Hillary will have a great deal of difficulty triangulating her way to safety. She will never be able to explain away why she received over $11 million in corporate speaking fees, much of it from Wall Street, and why she still is accepting millions from Wall Street for her campaign.

The defensive lines she is using are weak — Obama did it too. I’m have a proven record against Wall Street. I can’t be bought. My proposals are even tougher than my opponent’s.

Do you really think that will sell in the Fall?


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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/think-again-hillary-democ_b_9495560.html

[JaneyVee]

1. Lose to who?

[shawn703]

2. The Republican nominee

[JaneyVee]

4. The guy who thought it was....

A good business move to sell steaks exclusively out of an electronics store???

[shawn703]

7. Which really has nothing to do with politics?

While support for TPP and other destructive free trade policies has everything to do with politics.

[JaneyVee]

8. Free trade is not destructive, protectionism is.

[shawn703]

9. Tell that to the unions

[JaneyVee]

13. Unions back Hillary. Unions like capitalism.

[griffi94]

14. Is that the same guy

who has pissed off AAs, Hispanics, women, moderates, and the leadership of his own party?
The guy whose immigration policy is to slap the hell out of Mexico and his foreign
policy is slap the hell out of ISIS.

The same guy whose core demographic is low info, undereducated, pissed off white guys
and various racist groups who love him because he tells it like it is.

Isn't he the same guy who is the Republican front runner by dint of winning with a plurality that topped out around 40%.

Yeah Hillary isn't going to want to match wits with that guy. Lol.

[monicaangela]

22. Just as Hillary will try

to turn back to the right after the primary, I'm sure Trump if he wins will turn just a bit to the left to match her. Remember, we are going by what these people say, not what their past history has been, and that is where the rubber hits the road. Both of these candidates, HRC and Trump say whatever is necessary to try to win the election. Sad day in America if this is all we have to choose from in the fall.

[griffi94]

25. I think Trump

is going to have a difficult time walking back the statements he's made in the last year.
I also think if he tries then the pissed off white guy vote will leave him high and dry.

[monicaangela]

29. I don't think he will

walk back the comments that his base has been so happy to hear (the pissed off white guy) at least not any differently than Hillary will walk back the liberal comments she has made. With a wink and a nod, the task will be accomplished. Just wait and see. It appears many in this nation aren't hard to deceive, they believe all of what they hear, and none of what they see it appears.

[griffi94]

31. In case Trump doesn't walk them back

he's not going to get many votes past the pissed off white guys
and I just don't think that will carry him in November.

His own party is trying to stop him.

The Democrats will support our nominee. We may lose a few but in the main
they'll vote for our nominee in the GE.

[onenote]

36. If moving towards the center is what it takes to win the GE

wouldn't that also apply to Bernie?

[monicaangela]

42. According to what being a democrat used to be

Bernie is in the center, slightly left, but more center than HRC has ever been IMHO.

[onenote]

43. I'm confused. I thought the notion was that Clinton will move to the right

But if she's already to the right of Bernie how is moving further right necessary for her to win the election but its okay for Bernie to stay to Clinton's left.

Doesn't seem to add up.

[monicaangela]

44. I didn't say it would be necessary

I said that is what she will do because she is not going to govern on Bernie Sanders platform which is what she is doing right now.

[onenote]

45. You said: Both of these candidates, HRC and Trump say whatever is necessary to try to win

and you said she would turn back to the right after the primary.

So is turning back to the right necessary or not?

[monicaangela]

46. If she is going to run against Trump

it will be necessary. Remember, in the general she will need to win dissatisfied republicans, democrats, and independents. Independents make up over 40% of the electorate, they are not democrats or republicans. Some lean left and some lean right. Figuring out how many is nearly, if not impossible. So, Hillary will have to try to walk that tight wire. Bernie is who he is and will continue to be who he is in the general. Hillary has flip flopped on just about everything since she first came into politics, from high school days to now. Who is she really? That's what I would like to know. Can you tell me?

[Dawgs]

11. The guy who's going to get every single Republican vote plus many Indys.

Hillary will get 95% of Democrats that are reliable voters. That won't be nearly enough. It will be like 2010/2014 all over again.

[JaneyVee]

15. Sorry, Hillary will peel off women and minority repubs...

Plus many Indy's. Hillary is already +13 on Trump.

[Dawgs]

16. LOL! Your dreams do not count. n/t

[JaneyVee]

18. Check the polls, bro.

I think youre the one dreaming.

[Dawgs]

19. Polls don't mean squat at this point. n/t

[trumad]

3. Yawn

[JaneyVee]

5. I thought op's like this were now banned?

Didnt Skinner say no more of these "why Hillary would lose" posts?

[joshcryer]

10. Still undetermined what constitutes "Trump puffing."

[JoePhilly]

30. "Trump puffing"!!!!

[seabeyond]

6. Clinton, kicking ass to the finish line.

[polly7]

20. Lots of ass kicking she's helped cause ...... even little children whose only crime is

trying to escape the horror.

[yourout]

27. You have a typo......it's kissing...Not kicking

As in kissing wall street's ass

[seabeyond]

32. We have a winner and we have a loser.

[yourout]

33. And I have my first ignore of the day.

[seabeyond]

38. Coolest! You can throw out an insult, but reality simply is not allowed.

[peacebird]

12. Free trade cheerleader, global warrior, trust deficiency, "I" not "we", enthusiasm gap....

Pretty good summary of her deficiencies I think.

[JaneyVee]

17. Enthusiasm gap? She leads everyone in popular vote.

And Trump has the worst favorables than everyone.

[monicaangela]

21. This is an excellent article by Les Leopold

The article covers many bases and makes a lot of sense. He has written my fears about the upcoming general election if HRC wins the nomination. I can't understand why the M$M is failing this country the way it is. Well, maybe I can understand $$$$$$$$$$ is worth more than peace, tranquility, equal rights, and justice for all, not just some of us. I marvel at what is happening in this country right now, and hope that the upcoming primary races will be won by Bernie Sanders. If not, I truly hope HRC will rethink her positions and become the candidate she is trying to portray herself as right now, Bernie Sanders lite. Oh yes, I know. But I can dream can't I.

[Nonhlanhla]

23. What is the point of this?

It's not the MSM, but anyone with an understanding of delegate math, that tells us that Hillary is the presumptive nominee. So what is the point of this kind of post? We should be focusing on building our presumptive nominee up and defeating the Fascists on the Right. There is too much at stake to play this kind of game.

[MattSh]

26. Building her up? How?

By lying about her record?

[pdsimdars]

35. Or hushing up those who bring it up

[Nonhlanhla]

39. No, by stopping the lies and distortions about her record.

She's flawed, yes, but it's time for Bernie supporters to, at the very least, stop the distortions of her record. One example: her IWR vote was far more complex than what Bernie supporters like to admit, and this has been pointed out numerous times. Yet you still hear from Bernie supporters that she fully supported the war and is bloodthirsty etc.. Disagree with her vote (I do), but don't distort it. And that goes for the rest of her record too.

Build up Bernie if you still believe he can win, but stop attacking Hillary. She is almost certainly going to be the Democratic nominee, and we need to not do the Republicans' job for them.

[grossproffit]

24. This has become boorish. Clinton has 2.7 million more votes that Bernie.

Yet, he'll with the GE!1!1!1!

[beachbum bob]

28. sanders supporters refusing to see the math and the fact that the PEOPLE are behind Hillary

and any conservative nominee the GOP settles with is going down...I'll can state the ONE thing that will prevent sanders from ever being elected to the whitehouse....he is a pacifist who used CO status to avoid Vietnam....he would be completely and utterly destroyed by the RW media,,,,and be easy pickings to lose in November

No soccer mom would vote for bernie after he his turn apart by the media......just saying

[Punkingal]

40. Did any of the Republicans serve in the military?

Have any of them stood up for veterans like Bernie has? Did the draft-dodging stories hurt Bill Clinton?

[pdsimdars]

37. Small thoughts -- Hillary does well with DEMOCRATS which are ONLY 30% of the people

Bernie does OK with Democrats and MUCH BETTER than Hillary with the other 70% of the population. Were you aware that that other 70% ALSO gets to vote in the GE?
So, if the GE was made up ONLY of DEMOCRATS, you would be right, but since it ISN'T, you are wrong.

[WillyT]

34. K & R !!!

[Onlooker]

41. You could make a similar case against Bernie

That article is just politics. You can make a simiilar case against Bernie, and the right certainly would. This is how the right might run against Bernie:

1. Instead of the Senator from Wall Street, let's call him the Senator from Cuba
2. Instead of the free trade cheerleader, let's call him the anti-export hero
3. Instead of the global warrior, let's call him American surrender
4. Enthusiasm gap? Let's look at his low support among minorities, the truest Democratic base
5. Trust? Let's call Bernie's policies outlandish.
6. I not we? Let's call Bernie's "we" ideological and cultish
7. Working class blues? Let's talk about Bernie's blues with those who have 401Ks for retirement
8. Unmotivated AA voters? Let's look at the fact that millennials are turning out in smaller numbers than they did for Obama, and that millennials are 36% Republican (according to Pew pollilng)
9. The typical politician? Let's look at Bernie's lifetime career in typical politics
10. Weaker polling? Just wait until they start attacking that tax-raising commie.

My point is not that Bernie is weaker or Hillary is stronger, it's just that this kind of stuff is politics When the general election gets under way, we will have a better idea of how strong either candidate is. Both Bernie and Hillary are reasonably strong but for different reasons. Either of them should win provided they can run the better campaign.

[AzDar]

47. She's a horrible candidate...

[eridani]

48. IMO that depends entirely on how much of an assclown Trump is in the GE

If he alienates enough people, we win regardless. If he towns down the assholism and runs to Clinton's left on TPP and similar issues, we could be in real trouble.