Hillary Clinton Sheds Progressive Façade With Bold Rightward Lurch

[FreakinDJ]

From her call for a major air and ground war against ISIS to her attack on single-payer, observers note that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is rapidly shedding her “progressive” façade as she grows increasingly confident she has the Democratic nomination locked down

Speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, Clinton called for a “new phase” in the fight against the Islamic State (referred to as ISIS or IS), including a major intensification in a bombing campaign; “ground forces actually taking back more territory;” an “intelligence surge;” and no-fly zones over Syria. “Our goal is not to deter or contain ISIS, but to defeat and destroy ISIS,” she said, in an implicit criticism of President Barack Obama as being too tepid on military intervention—and a signal that she intends to tack far to his right.

Since working under Obama’s White House—hardly the image of restraint—that’s exactly what Clinton has been doing. As Bob and Barbara Dreyfuss recently pointed out last year, Clinton used her secretary of state role to consistently advocate escalation of military force, from Afghanistan to Libya to Syria, making her the pro-war wing of the Obama administration.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/clinton_sheds_progressive_facade_with_bold_rightward_lurch_20151119

[peacebird]

1. She simply cannot wait to get her CiC jacket... Endless war, from a senator who admits her IWR vote

was bought by GWB for $$$ to NY for rebuilding. A senator who refused to go to a private briefing by the UN weapons inspector in Iraq before casting her vote for the IWR.

"Hard Choice", hardly.

[RobertEarl]

28. If she is elected

It will be the start of WW3

Kerry, as the new SoS, has brought peace to the ME undoing most of what Hillary did.

[Baobab]

37. So what are you saying she did?

Please be specific.

[RobertEarl]

44. She is a warmonger

Really, you had no fucking clue?

If you did would you still vote for her?

[Baobab]

49. did you mean to respond to somebody else?

I was asking for positive accomplishments.

Since all of these posters are gushing with love for her I want some of them to tell us why.

I suppose that could be a positive accomplishment to some people, not me though.

I don't think war is good.

[NowSam]

2. What a surprise

I'd feel pretty snookered of I had cast my vote for her.

[stillwaiting]

13. All of this was on display before the primaries began. If they weren't aware of what she is/was all

about it is their own fault. Neo-cons don't support just anyone.

The even more horrifying thing for me is that some of her supporters WANT her to pursue the policies she has and will obviously pursue.

[Baobab]

39. A hell of a lot of neocons support her.

War is incredibly profitable for military related businesses.

[leveymg]

62. They have a lot of money and establishment media and foundation ties but their numbers are small

They get a lot of leverage in political circles but they are vulnerable if people organize to get them out of positions of power and influence. It can and must be done if we are to avoid another disastrous war.

[CoffeeCat]

67. Robert Kagan endorsed her two weeks ago

Robert Kagan, the founder of the neocon movement, endorsed Hillary two weeks ago.

Unimaginable that this cancer has metastasized inside our Democratic party.

When I first arrived at DU, we were all united against Bush and his horrific war. DU was a place where we could discuss how we all knew it was a neocon lie. DU was an oasis. Even during the 2008 primaries, we all understood who the neocon shithead sociopaths were.

Now. The lines are so blurred. Not for me.

I just never though I'd see the day when so many in our party would turn a blind eye to senseless, lie-based wars and the murder of innocents--all for profits.

[yourpaljoey]

3. Meanwhile, Trump will veer left the second he has it sewn up

She needs advisers with a grasp on the pulse of the people's anger.
Veering right is the wrong path.

[Baobab]

52. If you position yourself slightly to the left of a really unstable, unpredictabl;e idiot then you ca

can be the lesser evil.

Bill Clinton is known globally as the master of that technique, its called triangulation or sometimes "Clintonian Triangulation".

[Samantha]

65. She knows Sanders attracts some Republicans, and she wants those votes

It has been reported here that one-third of Sanders' supporters will not support her. He has been garnering over 50 percent of the Independents, so she needs to get some votes from the right.

Sam

[AzDar]

4. Let Obama Himself Speak Of Hillary's Credibility:

[Armstead]

7. "She'll say anything and change nothing"

From Obama himself

[Baobab]

41. LOL.. really.

Well, vote for Hillary if you like Obama's policies.

[Onlooker]

9. Gee, and Obama appointed her secretary of state n/t

[Scootaloo]

11. Biggest mistake of his administration.

[artislife]

22. It was certainly one of them. nt

[NWCorona]

16. That was necessary to bring the party together

[Onlooker]

18. No it wasn't. She almost didn't accept.

The party was already brought together with Hillary's dramatic concession speech and very strong support for Obama. Obama's strong victory showed the party was united.

[NWCorona]

19. I'll disagree

But I still respect your opinion.

[monicaangela]

58. The party was together behind President Obama

That move was not necessary, he should have picked Kerry from the beginning. I believe he was trying to appease her. He's the type of person that appears to want to do anything to get along with people. Just look at how he tries to get along with the republicans even though they rebuff him every time. That appears to be one of his weaknesses, not knowing when to say "you are never going to be able to please everybody" and move on.

[AzDar]

55. Keep Your Friends Close... (You know the rest, I'm sure.)

[senz]

60. Yup, he kept his enemy closer.

I suppose having a mediocre SOS who messes up the Middle East, makes lucrative deals on the side, and hides emails on an unsecure server that was hacked by the Chinese is better than giving them three years in which to launch a massive primary challenge.

[monicaangela]

56. Money in politics

Corporations rule...funny how one day you say a person is a liar and the next you say, that person would be great for my cabinet. If that doesn't turn you or anyone else off when it comes to the games politicians play I don't know what will. We need Bernie Sanders, a person that is running a campaign without lying, without allowing the establishment to buy him and without negativity. Wow what a difference. I can't understand why people refuse to or can't see what is going on in this country.

[monicaangela]

54. So soon they forget...

Funny how the cry today is unite behind Hillary Clinton. What happened to change his mind? I wonder..

[Trust Buster]

5. From her call for a major air and ground war against ISIS ? Did I miss something ?

In addition, the source article is from Nov. 2015. Why does the poster portray her remarks in Nov. 2015 as recent remarks representing a change in tone since her chances for nomination are coming to fruition ? Very deceptive tactic used on forum members IMO.

[noiretextatique]

72. Why don't you post her recent remarks?

Since you are concerned.

[felix_numinous]

6. Wolf in sheeps clothing

a neocon who would marginalize everyone to the left of her. She is to the right of Obama.

[mindwalker_i]

8. Yeah, let's rush into another middle east war! That'd be great.

GW Bush has a big-ass smile on his mug right now.

[John Poet]

66. They were probably chatting about 'the next war' here,

that's why they look so happy at a funeral.

maybe she was getting pointers about how to fool congress into going along

[Land of Enchantment]

10. True. And how many of us have warned about the exactly the

same thing happening? I was blocked from the HRC group for pointing this out and that was on my third post here. (Didn't realize how the 'rules' worked in 'Groups'.) We have seen this before and not only from the Clintons. Lean left to draw in the progressives and then get whiplash swinging back to the right. Fool me once.....

[liberal_at_heart]

12. She's also already started going to the right on abortion too.

[UglyGreed]

14. Well that did not take

very long.

[NWCorona]

17. Nope!

[dana_b]

23. and no surprise at all

this will be a disaster of epic proportions if either one of them get into the White House. I cannot help but feel for the people of the Middle East.

[wyldwolf]

15. FDR Sheds Progressive Façade With Bold Rightward Lurch

From his call for a major air and ground war against Germany and Japan to his betrayal of Japanese and African-Americans... oh, you get... LOL.

[beltanefauve]

25. So that makes it okay?

[wyldwolf]

27. So that makes it right wing ?

[uponit7771]

50. +1

[HassleCat]

57. You're correct.

Two wrongs don't make a right wing.

[Ken Burch]

33. World War II was progressive. NO war in the Middle East can be.

And nobody here defends the Japanese internment or FDR's tolerance for Jim Crow.

[wyldwolf]

35. "World War II was progressive" - because it was run by FDR?

Had it been a republican president, you'd be claiming it was some imperialistic venture.

[Ken Burch]

38. Because it was a war against fascism, and because it inadvertently led to the end of colonialism

in Africa and Asia.

Every war we have fought or could fight in the Middle East, by contrast, is simply a war of "national interest&quot which always means nothing but the interests of the rich).

It is not possible to democratize the Arab/Muslim world through Western military intervention. Liberalism can't take root if it is imposed as a badge of conquest.

[wyldwolf]

40. So a wars against terrorism isn't progressive?

[eridani]

69. No, becsuse it can never end by definition n/t

[Fantastic Anarchist]

68. Japan had bombed Pearl Harbor.

Germany just declared war on the U.S.

He really didn't have a choice.

Hillary does.

[JaneyVee]

20. Progressives have started most of America's wars.

I think you meant pacifist.

[Ken Burch]

34. Other than World War II, none of the should have been started.

(btw, it was Southern reactionaries who started the Civil War, not Lincoln, if you were going to make that argument.)

[wyldwolf]

36. your contention is WWII has been our only just war?

[Ken Burch]

42. Other than the fight to save the Union, yes.

Korea and Vietnam were tragic and pointless.

We stole half of Mexico and had no right to do so.

Nothing has been made better at all by what we've done in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Libya, and if nothing is better in those countries yet, nothing ever can be.

The Spanish-American and First World Wars were simply wars of territorial conquest and imperial arrogance.

To say nothing of all the coups and Marine invasions we've staged in Latin America over the years.

I mourn all of the troops who died in those wars, and salute the valor of those who risked their lives, but the wars I listed above were a blot on our nation and a mockery of what we stand for.

We need to learn from that history, and find a different way of relating to the world.

I support the use of force to defend our own territory from external attack, but there are very other reasons I can imagine for war in this day and age.

[wyldwolf]

47. ok. I'll just leave it at that.

(snicker)

[Ken Burch]

48. None of the other wars we got into are defensible at all.

We had no right to invade Mexico.

We had no right to invade Cuba or the Philippines.

It was none of our business which feather-helmeted emperor won the Germanic Family Feud of 1914-18.

Nothing is better for the lives we lost and took in Korea and Vietnam.

Nothing is better for any of the interventions we ever did in Latin America or Haiti.

And nothing is better in the Middle East for what we did there.

Which of those points would you actually disagree with?

Do you actually think we were right to fight for the rich in most of the world for most of our history?

Can you not see how doing that has caused the hatred most of the world justifiably feels towards our country?

[noiretextatique]

73. Sure...GW Bush was "progressive"

Ridiculous.

[Tarc]

21. "Obama’s White House—hardly the image of restraint"

Anyone who thinks the Obama administration is not progressive has not only divorced themselves from reality, but has demanded an annulment.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Oh, joy. More glorious wars to lose. Maybe we could call them Crusades!!

More ribbons. More "God Bless America". More monuments. More money for the MIC.

[democrank]

26. Probably just a matter of time before she goes to war, but

I`m certain her son-in-law will enlist.....so that should help.

[NCjack]

59. But, he is not going until all of our economic debt-slaves have been exhausted. /nt

[amborin]

29. She can take credit for ISIS, since they were confined to Iraq until she bombed Libya.

No surprise that she's taking a rightward lurch; she'll go full right, soon; that includes means testing Soc Sec as a start;

[AZ Progressive]

30. World War III, here we come!

Hey, at least the last time we gained a large American Middle Class, although that was because FDR was president and we didn't ship jobs overseas yet.

[dana_b]

45. None of us will make it through a WWIII

If she really continues with her
strategies IF she becomes President, I can't imagine what Russia and North Korea will pull.

[Bread and Circus]

31. I have flatly stated, and continue to believe, she is going to get us into another full scale war

She listens to the wrong people, sadly.

[FreakinDJ]

32. and CUTs to Social Security to pay for it

[liberal_at_heart]

43. +1

[amborin]

63. Yes, Jeffrey Sachs, from Columbia U. Earth Institute thinks the same thing

[2banon]

46. Margaret Thatcher redux

This is her thing, and if her supporters here on this board actually believes this is what a Democratic Leader should sound like, act like and think like..

well... lets just say things are going to get very interesting.

very, very interesting.

and you know, things are already get interesting.

Tomorrow morning is a meet up with local Bernie supporters and I can't wait to strategize next steps.

We're going flip this whole charade on it's head, I do believe and the Media isn't going to know what the hell happened, cuz it ain't being televised, they're so busy trying to prop up the status quo dog and pony show. I guess they're going to be in for the shock of their lives as well as Hillary supporters.

[seabeyond]

51. Ha... Ha ha ha. First two sentences. What a joke. How absurd are we going to get.

I haven't been around for a while. Maybe this is where some are at.

[SMC22307]

78. How absurd? About this absurd...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1534917

Well done.

[napi21]

53. I'm sorry to hear that. It just might be the oene thing that sinks her campign.

Bernie doesn't look like he's got the upper hand yet, and he still could get it if Hillary starts to show RW leanings. I resalize she thinks she's got it so she can now turn toward the "middle" to insure a win, but I think the electorate has changed and the model she's using just might e WRONG!

[winter is coming]

61. What's "bold" about something that many have been predicting for months? n/t

[JEB]

64. A vote for Hillary is a vote for more war. nt

[dmosh42]

70. She has that big list of Wall St donors to keep happy!

[Uncle Joe]

71. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, FreakinDJ.

[TBF]

74. Would anyone expect any other behavior from her?

If so they are tremendously naive.

[BeanMusical]

75. Kick and R

[Kip Humphrey]

76. "The Islamic State" = taste of a Hillary presidency.

Buckle up boys & girls, we're about to go on a war-wind tour through the Middle East.

[polichick]

77. Not HRC, of the sudden Arkansan accent and NY carpetbag?!