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wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:48 PM Mar 2016

OK, DU prognosticators. Will Hillary be indicted? Officially state it for the record.


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Hillary WILL be indicted.
4 (16%)
Hillary will NOT be indicted.
21 (84%)
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OK, DU prognosticators. Will Hillary be indicted? Officially state it for the record. (Original Post) wyldwolf Mar 2016 OP
how could anyone make an informed decision? casperthegm Mar 2016 #1
When was the last cabinet officer ever indicted for MineralMan Mar 2016 #2
What other cabinet level official had an off the books private NWCorona Mar 2016 #6
Was any harm done by that? MineralMan Mar 2016 #13
What's the harm? NWCorona Mar 2016 #15
No point at all to this post SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #28
That's demanding a false equivalency. HRC also isn't in the same position, anymore. leveymg Mar 2016 #34
they can't - but plenty on DU are claiming (hoping?) she will be just the same. wyldwolf Mar 2016 #4
This will be fun! :-P NurseJackie Mar 2016 #3
The better question is how many of them want her to be indicted. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #5
Probably a few NWCorona Mar 2016 #10
I think you are underestimating the numbers by using "a few." LonePirate Mar 2016 #14
The numbers are up to interpretation NWCorona Mar 2016 #16
or impeached on her first day is she wins nt msongs Mar 2016 #38
No. H2O Man Mar 2016 #7
No. Laws don't apply to her. nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #8
Or Bill n/t angstlessk Mar 2016 #11
I hope so Politicalboi Mar 2016 #9
what will you do? casperthegm Mar 2016 #12
If she gets indicted before the primary is over Politicalboi Mar 2016 #20
Agreed casperthegm Mar 2016 #23
Second question: do you WANT Hillary to be indicted? brooklynite Mar 2016 #17
I certainly hope not. It would kill the Democratic Party this fall and for years. morningfog Mar 2016 #21
That's an easier one. Chan790 Mar 2016 #24
Passed. Chan790 Mar 2016 #18
I was wondering that myself Politicalboi Mar 2016 #22
"I don't think she will be indicted" - your prediction was represented by choice "2". PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #39
Fine. Changed it just for you. n/t Chan790 Mar 2016 #42
No. Not a chance. But, you should start another poll asking whether anyone associated with her will. morningfog Mar 2016 #19
How about a "Could She?" category. bluedigger Mar 2016 #25
wishful thinking on the part of Bernie supporters...n/t chillfactor Mar 2016 #26
No, she won't. Beacool Mar 2016 #27
Very few Democrats are hoping for it. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #30
Have you been reading this board lately? Beacool Mar 2016 #32
LOL, Obi-wan-indictment is their only hope. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #40
I read a lot of the Bernie posts. I don't see that at all. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #41
I don't think so. But, I've been wrong before. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #29
She deleted 30,000 emails maindawg Mar 2016 #31
100 Agents, extraditing witness halfway round the world, One_Life_To_Give Mar 2016 #33
To be indicted, she has to be charged with violating a law. What crime did she commit? Be specific. Shrike47 Mar 2016 #35
No, she will not be indicted. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #36
Not a breath of a hair of a chance until after she's sworn in. Then, continuously. ucrdem Mar 2016 #37
Not enough options in your poll. panader0 Mar 2016 #43
Better questions would have been... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #44

casperthegm

(643 posts)
1. how could anyone make an informed decision?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:50 PM
Mar 2016

Without knowing what the FBI has or has not found? Unless someone here has a contact in the FBI or DOJ this poll basically boils down to a popularity contest.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
2. When was the last cabinet officer ever indicted for
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:38 PM - Edit history (1)

a mistake made while in that position?

Answer that and you'll have your answer.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
6. What other cabinet level official had an off the books private
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:56 PM
Mar 2016

Server that stored over 3000 sensitive to top secret level documents?

I'll wait for your answer.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
13. Was any harm done by that?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

As far as I know, none of those emails fell into the wrong hands.

So, I'm not sure it rises to an indictable level. Unless there was a law prohibiting a Secretary of State from doing that, I can't see where a crime was committed. Indictments are issued for criminal activities, not poor decision-making.

In this case, no harm, no indictment. Nothing illegal, no indictment.

It will not even go to a grand jury, and only grand juries indict at the federal level. It's simply not happening, no matter how much some would like it to.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
15. What's the harm?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:05 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary had a closed loop between her and her staff and she had no right to keep her work emails private. This isn't even taking the FBI investigation into account.

Everything else in your post is conjecture.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
34. That's demanding a false equivalency. HRC also isn't in the same position, anymore.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:41 PM
Mar 2016

The closest parallel is 1997, when CIA Director Deutch was forced to resign after taking home classified laptops and hooking them onto an unsecured, uncertified home internet. His case dragged on under review at the Justice Dept until the last day of the Clinton Presidency when Bill pardoned him.

An actual indictment isn't necessary to effectively end Hillary's career goal. Publication of the FBI Findings, and a recommendation of prosecution or strong sanction for reckless action will be enough to kill her candidacy. That's coming before the election.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
10. Probably a few
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

But if Hillary does get indicted it won't necessarily save Bernie. Just another Democrat like Biden will jump in.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
14. I think you are underestimating the numbers by using "a few."
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

I don't think she will be indicted nor do I think she has done anything to warrant an indictment. Segments of DU feel otherwise, though.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
9. I hope so
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

But with the way things work, Bush and Cheney are free also. Justice never reaches the rich. They should indict her for going behind the President's back alone. If they don't indict her, it's justice missed. And if this follows her in the GE I am going to be loving every minute of it. If we can't get justice, maybe someone else can. I won't vote for Donald Dump and I won't vote for her.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
20. If she gets indicted before the primary is over
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:12 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie's name should be on the ballot. We're in it till the END.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
23. Agreed
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

I'm a Bernie guy too. Just curious what your vote will be if she's not indicted and you're not voting for HRC or Trump.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
24. That's an easier one.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

No, I think that would be catastrophic regardless who the nominee was and insure that we lose the WH in 2016.

(It's part of the reason I think if the Clinton campaign thought there was any chance of that happening they'd be out of the race by-now. I think they already underestimated how serious this allegation was going to get or else she would not have run. I think they are still being too optimistic about the outcome.)

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
18. Passed.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:10 PM
Mar 2016

My prediction isn't represented in the options.

For the record...I don't think she will be indicted but I think the allegations and seriousness of them will be sufficient to force her out of the race before election day. I do not believe she will be the nominee on the ballot on Nov. 8, 2016 because I do not believe her candidacy will be viable at that point and she's smart enough to know that preventing President Trump is more important than being elected.

Also, for the record...I can't believe I just accused Sec. Clinton of being capable of heroic action and self-sacrifice. I think I'm going to be ill.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
19. No. Not a chance. But, you should start another poll asking whether anyone associated with her will.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:11 PM
Mar 2016

I am less sure about that.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
25. How about a "Could She?" category.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:26 PM
Mar 2016

I would bet against it, but I can't discount the possibility off hand, either. It's an uncalculated risk.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
30. Very few Democrats are hoping for it.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:37 PM
Mar 2016

Some of us admit the possibility, hope it doesn't happen, but if it does it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

I don't even want her subpoenaed. If she is, it is best to get it out of the way.

I guessed NO in the poll. BTW I am a strong Bernie supporter.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
32. Have you been reading this board lately?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

It's not clearly stated, they don't want their messages to be hidden, but some seem to be crossing their fingers and hoping for an indictment.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
41. I read a lot of the Bernie posts. I don't see that at all.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016

The vast majority don't want that. Of course there are always a handful of fanatics in any political arena.

There are some think it is likely she'll be indicted and fear what that will mean in the general election. I think they are wrong about that, but I do admit the slim possibility. It is something we just don't have much information on.

Would you agree that if party A nominated a candidate B who was then indicted for some crime, that would be devastating for party A's prospects? If there was even a 25% chance of that, would you not be very concerned? Some Bernie supporters have convinced themselves that because the FBI got involved the chances are at least that high. Most likely they are wrong. But their concern about the consequences flows from that, not wishing she was indicted.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
31. She deleted 30,000 emails
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:39 PM
Mar 2016

To cover up her activities. That is a felony. The activities may be a whole different crime. Other Sec O states used private email, but they did not delete any. The act of deleting is why she will be charged with a crime.
Bernie will win all the rest of the blue States and by some very large margine . The more people get of Hill, the less they like her. She just not likeable. And she is very boring.
He also associations will hurt her too. Kissinger is a criminal. She is tied to too many disreputable people. Unlike Trump, her base is not growing. It is what it is and that's all.
I believe she will be charged with obstruction for the deletions.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
33. 100 Agents, extraditing witness halfway round the world,
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

immunity deal given. Probably will indicte someone. Although it could well be a top aid will be the one where the evidence leads to. There is probably some truth to the leaks about somebody transcribing Secret/Classified information onto unclassified systems. That individual is probably going to get nailed. But that was probably not HRC.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
35. To be indicted, she has to be charged with violating a law. What crime did she commit? Be specific.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:41 PM
Mar 2016

Tell me the U.S. Code you think she violated, I'll look up the code and the case law interpreting it, the this question can be discussed. Until then, this is all speculation and a waste of energy.

The real question is, how can she counter Trump's claims about possible indictment, because he'll never shut up about it.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
44. Better questions would have been...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:59 PM
Mar 2016

Will Hillary be treated like any normal citizen would under these exact circumstances?

Will Hillary be given special treatment (read NO treatment) that a normal citizen could not expect?

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