2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOK, DU prognosticators. Will Hillary be indicted? Officially state it for the record.
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Hillary WILL be indicted. | |
4 (16%) |
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Hillary will NOT be indicted. | |
21 (84%) |
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casperthegm
(643 posts)Without knowing what the FBI has or has not found? Unless someone here has a contact in the FBI or DOJ this poll basically boils down to a popularity contest.
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:38 PM - Edit history (1)
a mistake made while in that position?
Answer that and you'll have your answer.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Server that stored over 3000 sensitive to top secret level documents?
I'll wait for your answer.
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)As far as I know, none of those emails fell into the wrong hands.
So, I'm not sure it rises to an indictable level. Unless there was a law prohibiting a Secretary of State from doing that, I can't see where a crime was committed. Indictments are issued for criminal activities, not poor decision-making.
In this case, no harm, no indictment. Nothing illegal, no indictment.
It will not even go to a grand jury, and only grand juries indict at the federal level. It's simply not happening, no matter how much some would like it to.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Hillary had a closed loop between her and her staff and she had no right to keep her work emails private. This isn't even taking the FBI investigation into account.
Everything else in your post is conjecture.
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)The closest parallel is 1997, when CIA Director Deutch was forced to resign after taking home classified laptops and hooking them onto an unsecured, uncertified home internet. His case dragged on under review at the Justice Dept until the last day of the Clinton Presidency when Bill pardoned him.
An actual indictment isn't necessary to effectively end Hillary's career goal. Publication of the FBI Findings, and a recommendation of prosecution or strong sanction for reckless action will be enough to kill her candidacy. That's coming before the election.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But if Hillary does get indicted it won't necessarily save Bernie. Just another Democrat like Biden will jump in.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)I don't think she will be indicted nor do I think she has done anything to warrant an indictment. Segments of DU feel otherwise, though.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'll agree to that.
msongs
(67,395 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)But with the way things work, Bush and Cheney are free also. Justice never reaches the rich. They should indict her for going behind the President's back alone. If they don't indict her, it's justice missed. And if this follows her in the GE I am going to be loving every minute of it. If we can't get justice, maybe someone else can. I won't vote for Donald Dump and I won't vote for her.
casperthegm
(643 posts)Write Bernie in? I've seen a number of people say they'll do that.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Bernie's name should be on the ballot. We're in it till the END.
casperthegm
(643 posts)I'm a Bernie guy too. Just curious what your vote will be if she's not indicted and you're not voting for HRC or Trump.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)I think the answers here would be surprising...
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)No, I think that would be catastrophic regardless who the nominee was and insure that we lose the WH in 2016.
(It's part of the reason I think if the Clinton campaign thought there was any chance of that happening they'd be out of the race by-now. I think they already underestimated how serious this allegation was going to get or else she would not have run. I think they are still being too optimistic about the outcome.)
Chan790
(20,176 posts)My prediction isn't represented in the options.
For the record...I don't think she will be indicted but I think the allegations and seriousness of them will be sufficient to force her out of the race before election day. I do not believe she will be the nominee on the ballot on Nov. 8, 2016 because I do not believe her candidacy will be viable at that point and she's smart enough to know that preventing President Trump is more important than being elected.
Also, for the record...I can't believe I just accused Sec. Clinton of being capable of heroic action and self-sacrifice. I think I'm going to be ill.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)She's in it for herself IMO. She won't go quietly.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)I am less sure about that.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)I would bet against it, but I can't discount the possibility off hand, either. It's an uncalculated risk.
chillfactor
(7,574 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)To the chagrin of those who seem to be hoping for it.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Some of us admit the possibility, hope it doesn't happen, but if it does it needs to happen sooner rather than later.
I don't even want her subpoenaed. If she is, it is best to get it out of the way.
I guessed NO in the poll. BTW I am a strong Bernie supporter.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)It's not clearly stated, they don't want their messages to be hidden, but some seem to be crossing their fingers and hoping for an indictment.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The vast majority don't want that. Of course there are always a handful of fanatics in any political arena.
There are some think it is likely she'll be indicted and fear what that will mean in the general election. I think they are wrong about that, but I do admit the slim possibility. It is something we just don't have much information on.
Would you agree that if party A nominated a candidate B who was then indicted for some crime, that would be devastating for party A's prospects? If there was even a 25% chance of that, would you not be very concerned? Some Bernie supporters have convinced themselves that because the FBI got involved the chances are at least that high. Most likely they are wrong. But their concern about the consequences flows from that, not wishing she was indicted.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)My guess is no for the record.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)To cover up her activities. That is a felony. The activities may be a whole different crime. Other Sec O states used private email, but they did not delete any. The act of deleting is why she will be charged with a crime.
Bernie will win all the rest of the blue States and by some very large margine . The more people get of Hill, the less they like her. She just not likeable. And she is very boring.
He also associations will hurt her too. Kissinger is a criminal. She is tied to too many disreputable people. Unlike Trump, her base is not growing. It is what it is and that's all.
I believe she will be charged with obstruction for the deletions.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)immunity deal given. Probably will indicte someone. Although it could well be a top aid will be the one where the evidence leads to. There is probably some truth to the leaks about somebody transcribing Secret/Classified information onto unclassified systems. That individual is probably going to get nailed. But that was probably not HRC.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Tell me the U.S. Code you think she violated, I'll look up the code and the case law interpreting it, the this question can be discussed. Until then, this is all speculation and a waste of energy.
The real question is, how can she counter Trump's claims about possible indictment, because he'll never shut up about it.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Officially stating it for the record.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)How about "I don't know yet'?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Will Hillary be treated like any normal citizen would under these exact circumstances?
Will Hillary be given special treatment (read NO treatment) that a normal citizen could not expect?