Why do people act like trashing Bernie will make us switch to Hillary?

[Ken Burch]

n/t.

[comradebillyboy]

1. Why do people act like trashing Hillary will make us switch to Bernie?

[bravenak]

2. +1

[Progressive dog]

9. K&R

[HassleCat]

3. We have no choice but to accept the inevitable.

Resistance is useless. You will be assimilated. If you fail to fall in line, the Trump-appointed Supreme Court will show up at your home in the wee hours, and slash your tires.

[RobertEarl]

4. They are authoritarians

Who can't stand the idea that so many actually want democracy and not oligarchy.

They got their stuff, fuck everyone else.

DU, as a real democratic website is going down. Sad to see, isn't it?

[Agschmid]

10. "So many"... I'd check the vote tallys so far if I were you.

[RobertEarl]

16. Versus how many have said fuck it not voting

There's your vote tally right there. They are stating the establishment is so crooked they will not even vote.

[Agschmid]

17. They won't even vote for Bernie?

...

Really?

You are going to go with that? If that's the case then he certainly is going to have a hard time winning if his supporters won't vote for him because they are sick of the establishment.

[RobertEarl]

19. Many have voted for Bernie

Many more will

Most people don't have a clue about Bernie, When they get a clue and they think there is actually some hope for change, they'll join the revolution. Until then, the establishment is happy they don't vote. If they ever get that clue the establishment will be unhappy they voted.

[Agschmid]

20. Bernie was my senator, I helped him get elected to that position.

I've gotta clue, and I voted for Hillary.

[RobertEarl]

21. Sure?

Why did you vote for Hillary?

[Agschmid]

23. Because I choose to.

It's the nice thing about America we get to make that choice, and we should probably stop hurling personal insults at others for doing that.

I don't have high hopes for that last part.

[RobertEarl]

24. Why did you chose to?

[Agschmid]

26. Because Hillary will do a better job IMO.

And I've got personal experience to know it.

[RobertEarl]

30. What personal experience?

[Agschmid]

31. Mine.

Bernie was my senator.

[RobertEarl]

38. Vermont has voted him in again and again

He won the primary there with 86% of the vote. That shows that most Vermonters have a GREAT experience with Bernie.

[Agschmid]

39. Yes, I voted for him and also helped him get elected to the Senate.

Of course most Vermonters have a good experience with him, he keeps getting elected.

[RobertEarl]

46. Why do you hate Bernie?

[Agschmid]

47. Haha... I don't.

By any definition.

Where on earth did you get that?

[RobertEarl]

48. From your posts here

Why did you lock that LBN thread?

[Agschmid]

49. What posts?

What anti-Bernie screed have I posted? I'll just cut to the chase and give you the answer... NONE.

The assertion that I "hate" Senator Sanders is baseless and just patently false.

And since you know that's true, you have now moved onto trying to start a fight over a locked thread, which was locked with 100% host consensus as of now.

[RobertEarl]

50. I read your posts here on DU

I get the impression that you hate Bernie. You voted for him, and helped him get elected, but now you don't want to help him or get elected as president.

And I was just wondering what the reason was for locking that post. It seems to be a good news article. So since we are discussing things just thought I'd ask.

[Agschmid]

51. Your impression is incredibly wrong.

Making assumptions isn't going to get you anywhere worth our time.

I'm done here.

[UglyGreed]

25. +100000000000000000000000

[Mudcat]

5. People influenced by FUD assume their FUD will motivate others

[Downwinder]

6. I have found that people often tend to ascribe

their principles and values to others. Says much about them.

[frazzled]

7. After more than 9 months of trashing Hillary Clinton nonstop

by the majority of posters on this board (and it continues even today), day in and day out, and of telling not only us here but every racial, ethnic, and socio-economic group out there why Hillary Clinton is an evil witch that you should not vote for, how can you even ask such a question?

Honestly, is there some pair of magic glasses everyone has been wearing that have made them immune to such perpetual bashing posts? The bashers appear to have the thinnest skins imaginable.

It's time to get off your unicorns and face reality. And that reality is that if it's okay to criticize Hillary Clinton it's equally okay to criticize Bernie Sanders. Believe it or not, he's not perfect. And not everyone likes him. If your candidate wants to be in this game, he and his supporters need to be able to withstand the heat. And to do it with a modicum of grace.

[choie]

33. 9 months of bashing Clinton?

It has been months and months of bashing Bernie since he had the audacity - the effrontery - to challenge Clinton's coronation. His candidacy has hardly been met with "grace" by Clinton supporters.

[Politicalboi]

44. It's her baggage

It's not our fault stories keep coming out. It's not our fault she's weak. It's her fault.

[Scootaloo]

53. I look forward to you copy-pasting this on its mirror thread.

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. It has the opposite effect, actually.

[nichomachus]

15. You nailed it.

I came here fairly neutral. I liked Bernie, but last Fall didn't think he had the staying power. I was wrong. Also, I wasn't a big fan or Hillary, but didn't feel strongly. That attitude has changed. A lot of it has to do with learning new things about her shady past. And a lot of it has to do with the attitude of Hillary supporters. I've found them nasty and snide, negative instead of positive,mand extremely thin skinned. If this is the sort of attitude we can expect from a Hillary administration, I don't see that as a hopeful sign.

Her supporters, at least on DU are doing her no favors.

I'm still waiting to see a positive list of her real achievements -- and not job titles and jobs her husband held.

[mindwalker_i]

54. There was a great post earlier today about Hi,llary's "accomplishments" in the senate

She cosponsored three bills and one was something about naming a park after some dude. The other two were also stupid. It was from an article by Sibel Edmonds. Hillary never took any stance that was even mildly risky. She didn't do anything of note.

I think the idea that she's smart or gets things done is an illusion that she and her supporters continually put out in order to maintain an image. A lot of people buy it. But those people WANT to buy it - they want a reason to justify supporting her.

[mindwalker_i]

11. They don't want unity, they want submission

Their political position is a matter of belief and faith in the magical (D), so even if someone who is basically a republican has the (D) next to their name, that's who they'll follow. Just look at one of the main attacks on Bernie: "He isn't a Democrat!" His positions on issues doesn't matter and neither do Hillary's. She's got the (D). End of discussion.

[rhett o rick]

12. It's has nothing to do with convincing us to support Clinton. They think they can bully

us into it. They didn't learn in 2000.

[Progressive dog]

14. Hillary won the NYS Senate race in 2000,

so I guess your lack of support didn't matter.

[Progressive dog]

13. Haven't actually seen much Bernie trashing here

most trashing is directed against Hillary. I guess many people who support Bernie must think trashing Hillary helps. You should ask them why they think it works.

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Oh, please.........

[choie]

29. You must be kidding!

Calling Bernie a racist (not to mention his supporters) is not trashing??? It's vile..

[Ken Burch]

52. So is saying Bernie doesn't care about racism.

And inventing the previously unknown chasm between those who fight for "social justice" and those who fight for "economic justice, even though the groups of supporters of both causes overlap about 85% of the time.

[AgingAmerican]

22. Right wingers never consider the consequences of their actions

[NanceGreggs]

27. Why do people act like trashing Hillary ...

... will make us switch to Bernie?

[Ken Burch]

37. I don't trash HRC...I just disagree with her right-wing positions

on the Middle East, on military intervention, on trade, and on economic policy.

I have nothing against her as a person(not really knowing her as a person), and I think she would be a great Supreme Court justice.

[NanceGreggs]

43. That wasn't aimed at you personally.

The Bernistas on DU have been trashing HRC from day one - just as many of them have trashed Obama and the Dem Party for years.

The result? Obama is serving his second term as POTUS, and HRC will be the Dem nominee in November.

[nini]

28. You let this crap decide for you?

Mother of God people - if you can't figure out by yourself why it's important to support the Democratic nominee then you simply do not understand the game of politics. And yes.. it comes down to one big fat game/competition and we must win.

[RobertEarl]

35. Problem is

The establishment of the party has shown to be losers. Obama won on hope for change and after that we lost congress and many state seats.

Now we have a lack of turnout in the vote and the biggest vote getters are the republicans. Given the current track of the party and that means Clinton, we will lose again.

[noretreatnosurrender]

32. Clueless?

[left-of-center2012]

34. The Borg must destroy anti-Clinton voters

There must be no resistance.

[noretreatnosurrender]

36. One Thing for Sure

This board is very much still focused on the Primaries not the General Election.

[Kalidurga]

40. Where else we gonna go????

I believe that is what they are thinking. It seems they don't understand millions of people are in solidly colored states and they can and many do vote 3rd party, I have run into dozens in my state. I think the real reason though is they want us to stay home instead of having to see that some people might just go ahead and vote who they want at the top of the ticket and vote Democrats down ticket. That would be sort of like a NO CONFIDENCE vote and they don't want to see that. Right now I don't know what I am going to do if it becomes a Hillary - little Don match up. Hopefully Bernie gets the nomination and we have a real choice.

[2banon]

41. Priveledged class don't give a rats ass about winning our vote, after all they're counting

on winning the so called "Moderate Conservatives". She's already on the job, and after all it's her people.

[liberal_at_heart]

42. Not caring about the Independent vote seems kind of short sighted.

[2banon]

45. Completely agree.

from your lips to the ears of the goddesses. but her advisors are tone deaf and clearly, so is she.

[quickesst]

55. How cute

Preaching with your hand stuck in the cookie jar.