"Bernie or Bust" = White Privilege

[firebrand80]

The "Bernie or Bust" crowd aren't the people that would suffer most under a Trump Presidency.

You aren't at risk of being deported or having it happen to your family. You aren't going to be barred from coming to this country because of your religion. Are aren't viewer as sub-human by the White Supremacists that love Trump so much.

You can afford to want Hillary to lose just so you can say "I told you so." Millions of other people in this country and around the world don't have that luxury.

Don't take this as a plea to get you to vote for Hillary. Quite the opposite. For one, your temper tantrum isn't going to work, Hillary is going to be President. Also, you aren't the type of "Democrat" I would want to associate myself with.

Every time one of you vows to leave the party and never come back, my attitude is "good riddance." We're better off without you.

[dogman]

1. Now there is a winning strategy.

You know you can count on Republicans to replace them.

[firebrand80]

2. It's a cry for attention

It doesn't scare me. Didn't work in '07, won't work this time

[dogman]

15. I remeber Presidents Nixon and Reagan.

That scares me.

[The Second Stone]

20. So do I, and even worse, I remember W Bush

I wish I could forget that.

[floppyboo]

54. What are the differences btwn Hillary, Nixon and Reagan on social & foreign policy?

They all seem the same to me, except for their backers - which is nothing to sneeze at. From afar and outside, I am having a hard time figuring out why people consider Hillary a democrat.

[The Second Stone]

120. And I should educate you about the obvious why?

I don't think you made that argument in good faith. If you think that Nixon, Reagan and Clinton are the same thing, that speaks more to your understanding and judgment than it does any of those three figures, or any others.

[floppyboo]

123. no, i didn't say they were the same. I asked where they differed.

All 3 have similar health care, social security, immigration policies. All 3 have similar hawkish regime change policies (although Nixon can claim bringing China in from the cold, and Reagan gets Russia - Obama gets Iran and Cuba - go Obama! ... Although Clinton had resigned before either, I consider her part of the administration)
So, aside from the obvious labels and how history has treated them, what would you say are some highlight differences? You can just keep your attitude that I'm wrong and need education, but that would not be very loving of you. Time for some mending. Tell me something good! (like your handle: Those who live in glass houses etc.)

[The Second Stone]

126. Try your insults in plain English

Those towards me and towards Secretary Clinton. Or do you not have the courage of your convictions to do that. Your sarcasm might make sense to you, but it is incoherent to everyone else.

[floppyboo]

129. Oh good Lord - what are you talking about?

There is no sarcasm here. I'm not clear about where your criticism of my use of the English language comes from. Can we forget about the schoolyard insults, and perhaps engage in a discussion?

[The Second Stone]

131. Please find someone else to engage in a discussion with

I find you, incoherent, rude, insulting, and lacking in basic historical knowledge. Your desire for attention should be directed to someone else.

[GreatGazoo]

3. Polling shows Sanders is better against Trump than Hillary is

[firebrand80]

6. Polling shows Sanders won't be the nominee

So it really doesn't matter

[GreatGazoo]

23. "Psychics for Hillary" ?

And what if Trump is not the nominee but rather some more electable GOP racist?

RCP Average 2/10 - 3/6 -- -- 46.2 45.4 Cruz +0.8
CNN/ORC 2/24 - 2/27 920 RV 3.0 49 48 Cruz +1
FOX News 2/15 - 2/17 1031 RV 3.0 46 45 Cruz +1
Quinnipiac 2/10 - 2/15 1342 RV 2.7 46 43 Cruz +3
USA Today/Suffolk 2/11 - 2/15 1000 LV 3.0 45 44 Cruz +1

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. If "Lyin Ted"* steals the nomination from Trump he will see to it that "Lyin Ted" never...

If "Lyin Ted"* steals the nomination from Trump he will see to it that "Lyin Ted" never becomes POTUS.





* That's the moniker Trump gave Cruz, not me!

[pinebox]

65. And it shows the difference between Bernie & Hillary is

almost the same as the distance between Hillary and Trump.
If Hillary wins the nominee, Dems lose

[k8conant]

133. It should matter...

because Sanders is the one who can beat Trump.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

4. I agree with this. What I dont understand is your

3rd way sign.

But that isnt important now, what is important is the election.

[KeepItReal]

39. At least this person is honest. And Hillary is supported by 3rd Way.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/29/1442364/-kos-snap-out-of-it-Hillary-is-owned-by-Third-Way

[merrily]

127. She helped create and spread the "third way" political philosophy.

It's a misnomer, though, IMO.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. I want to associate myself with the first three paragraphs.

As for the last two we all have our own moral compasses and have to follow them.

[SwampG8r]

93. 3/5 of a rec lol

[LexVegas]

7. But my team could win the Super Bowl if only they could get through the regular season and playoffs.

[lumberjack_jeff]

8. Marco? Is that you? nt

[chascarrillo]

9. Who was Secretary of State under the Deporter in Chief again?

And who said in a recent debate that she would force kids seeking asylum to go back to the violence of the country they're fleeing?

And who was throwing out the racist "super-predator" myth in order to build up one the world's largest prison system? And who does that prison system largely incarcerate?

White privilege is getting to be President while promoting these racist ideologies.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

21. +1

[ebayfool]

125. That ... "White privilege is getting to be President while promoting these racist ideologies."

Amazing isn't it?

[840high]

159. +1 for truth

[Fawke Em]

149. " White privilege is getting to be President while promoting these racist ideologies."

Perfect.

[840high]

158. .+10

[firebrand80]

22. Trump is going to lose

But thanks for proving my point

[cyberswede]

30. tick tock...

[TheCowsCameHome]

44. Anchovies, with extra peppers? Got it.

[Codeine]

26. Which sock are you, sweetie?

You're just adorable, btw.

[Kip Humphrey]

11. snarky bigotry at its finest.

[NWCorona]

12. As a black Bernie supporter

I disagree

This is just more race baiting.

[UglyGreed]

52. I'm glad to see

that I'm not the only one who sees this as race baiting...... I'm white but I really find it sad to bring race into the election to divide people. I don't mean to offend or belittle anyone's cause but does this type of thing really help any of us?

[TheBlackAdder]

83. People who post OPs like this should get banhammered just like WillyT--no difference. nt

[PeaceNikki]

87. Yes, criticizing people who pledge NOT to vote for the Democratic nominee have no place here.

[NWCorona]

91. I don't really see a difference either

[gordianot]

13. This reminds me of the old Spy vs Spy cartoon.

Opposite but mirror images in conflict with total irony impairment.

[Downwinder]

14. Trump going to build more for profit prisons?

The for profit prison system donating to his campaign?

[chascarrillo]

16. Wall Street = White Privilege

And who gets a quarter of a million dollars for a short speech to Wall Street firms? A white woman!

[bravenak]

17. No matter what trick folks pull it will not make us like him more

[firebrand80]

25. Save us from the Trump boogieman Bernie

You're our only hope

[Autumn]

34. One could also say. No matter what trick folks pull it will not make us like her more

[dubyadiprecession]

69. You'll grow to like her... Donald will make america great for her.

[Autumn]

72. Donald will do nothing. He is all noise he will not be the nominee, for that

matter Hillary may not be the nominee. I don't do fear, fear will never make me like anything or anyone, at my age nothing scares me. Good luck with that tired old canard.

[840high]

160. That's for sure.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

145. Us? For whom are you a spokesperson? Very relevant question.

Are you speaking on behalf of Alaskans? Or women? Or African Americans?

How did this role come to you?

[chascarrillo]

18. You're saying this like Hillary won't deport brown people. She has, and she has said she will.

The logical fallacy is stunning.

[firebrand80]

32. Right, Hillary = Trump on immigration nt

[treestar]

43. She has?

She has? I did not know she was ever head of the INS.

Any president of necessity deports brown, black, white and Asian people. People who are not here legally can be deported. It's not always bad, as they may not be allowed to be here. Sometimes people here talk as if there's laws should never be enforced.

[chascarrillo]

64. Thank you for a real example of white privilege! "Deportation? But laws!"

And yeah, Hillary was at the forefront of immigration issues as she was, you know, Secretary of State.

[treestar]

148. What has it got to do with white privilege

White people illegally here can be deported.

http://www.latintimes.com/canadian-immigrants-lead-world-illegal-us-visa-overstays-according-first-ever-dhs-367906.



LOL SRCRETARY of state has nothing to do with deportation. Dept of homeland security does that. All state does is issue visas ! And deny them, but that has nothing to do with deportation.

[840high]

161. Laws are important. By the way

didn't she send some children back and they were killed?

[KingFlorez]

24. We matter, you don't

I didn't quite realize it before, but from some of the things I've seen on social media, I think you are right on the mark.

[whatchamacallit]

27. We get it, you don't care what we do

I look forward to your next insulting, divisive installment of not caring.

[seabeyond]

29. Exactly as we are lectured on integrity, their willingness to walk away from the lives and death of

girls and women.

Totally callous yet they feel the need to lecture others about integrity. Totally lacking in a moral compass.

[kiva]

31. Hillary=wealth privilege

See how that works?

[PeaceNikki]

33. I'd add "straight" and "male" to that as well.

LGBT rights, equal pay and abortion rights are fucking toast if we let Republicans very into office.

[firebrand80]

46. Good point nt

[jeff47]

75. Because Clinton has such a wonderful history of leadership on LGBT issues

and has not been dragged along by public opinion at all.

[PeaceNikki]

76. You get that is the "or bust" part the OP speaks to, right?

I see several of you using it as an opportunity to rag on Clinton, but that's an initiative to pledge to NOT vote for the Democratic nominee if it's not Sanders. That's arrogant, selfish, narcissistic and fucking stupid. For all of the reasons in the OP plus several more.

Support the hell out of your candidate in the primary. Work your ass off for him or her, but sitting out, writing in a candidate or voting for anyone other than the Democratic nominee when you claim to be on the left is fucking idiotic.

[jeff47]

80. Yep, I do. I also get that Clinton's actual history doesn't fit the OP's claims.

But hey, who needs actual history when we've got a narrative to sell and a party to divide!

[PeaceNikki]

85. Divide? Pledging to NOT vote for the Democratic nominee of you don't get your way

is what, unifying?

[jeff47]

94. Because that sentiment appeared totally out of a vacuum.

And there is nothing out there like the OP demanding total loyalty to a caricature of the actual politician. And there hasn't been about a year of "shut up and vote for Clinton you delusional idiots".

Heck, there wasn't a famous "moment" when Bill Clinton told the left to shut up and get in line in his 1992 campaign either.

Nope. It's totally new and unprecedented. Nothing at all has been fueling and building massive dissatisfaction with the Democratic party.

And there's no way at all that dissatisfaction would now be expressed as "Bernie or bust". That is entirely fueled by racism and sexism, and there should be no backlash against claiming it's fueled entirely by racism and sexism.

Or without the sarcasm, this is what 30 years of "shut up and do what we say" yields, especially after massive electoral disasters. It's gonna hurt. And blaming that hurt on the people who have been actively marginalized by the party is not going to fix it.

[840high]

162. Well she did like Nancy.

[uponit7771]

135. +1

[hrmjustin]

35. Well said!

[Punkingal]

37. White people suffer along with everyone else when they are part of the 99%

And who are you to tell people they should leave the Democratic party? Just another third-wayer who took away the party to begin with. It is people who support that third-way bullshit who aren't democrats.

[firebrand80]

45. I didn't say they should leave

But I am happy to see them go

[Zen Democrat]

90. Are you really Third Way?

Third Way is an attempt at synthesis of right-wing economics and left-wing social policies. It's a continuation of low taxes on the wealthy and trickle-down for everyone else. It's the failed Bush economics. That's why I can't have anything to do with Third Way politics. It's No Way for a Democrat. Unless Harold Ford, Jr. is your idea of a Democrat.

[Armstead]

38. No we're all at risk in one way or anoither

[Ferd Berfel]

40. MOre Rovian Big Lie crap

[rhett o rick]

41. The hubris of the Clinton campaign is typical of the super-rich and their minions, but it will be

their downfall. You want Trump, vote for the Oligarchy's choice.

The 99% will eventually throw out the wealthy that control our government.

[joshcryer]

42. BOB = irrelevant nonsense

[NowSam]

47. Are you being paid to write this?

All you are doing is driving this Bernie supporter as far away from Hillary as can be. This is an ugly and persistent smear that was started early on against the champion who would represent the best interests of the 99%. A vote for Hillary is a wasted vote. UNLESS you love dirty water, air, poverty, profit prison system, soaring health care costs, and never ending debt for the most vulnerable members of society.

[PeaceNikki]

49. You get that is the "or bust" part the OP speaks to, right?

That's an initiative to pledge to NOT vote for the Democratic nominee if it's not Sanders. That's arrogant, selfish, narcissistic and fucking stupid. For all of the reasons in the OP plus several more.

Support the hell out of your candidate in the primary. Work your ass off for him or her, but sitting out, writing in a candidate or voting for anyone other than the Democratic nominee when you claim to be on the left is fucking idiotic.

[NowSam]

55. What it is is

that Hillary is such a weak unlikable candidate that the only way to get a vote for her is to create a boogie man in her pal, Donald Trump - and have her partners in the media make him out to be the worst thing since Hitler. She went to his wedding. They are friends. They are in the same club of filthy filthy rich people who are governed only by greed. She will frack away your health just as rotten as he will make things. You know the differenced? He is honest about being an arrogant prick. She is so phony one could know her for decades and not know her at all. Her principles are for hire. You want a good future? Unite behind Bernie and put a stop to all these establishment / and or corporate rulers. Without a government of the people , for the people, and by the people we will have a government by the wealthy who have a golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. So if you can call those who stand on principle arrogant, selfish, stupid and narcissistic I can say that anyone who votes for Hillary Clinton is blind as a bat or must love perpetual war. Because that is what you are going to get. I saw this in 2000 when Bush was running and I screamed it from the roof tops but we got him anyway. This time we have a true champion in Bernie Sanders who is willing to shine the light of truth on all of the injustices that 99% must endure. Go ahead and hide me or flag me but Hillary is no better than her pal, GW BUSH.

[PeaceNikki]

57. Support the hell out of your candidate in the primary.

Work your ass off for him or her. But if your candidate isn't strong enough to get enough delegates then sitting out, writing in a candidate or voting for anyone other than the Democratic nominee when you claim to be on the left is fucking idiotic and reeks of such privilege it's disgusting.

That's not creating a "boogie man". That's a fact.

[NowSam]

58. Okay, so I may end up being effing idiotic

as you say, because I don't like being intimidated or bullied or insulted or called names or guilted in to voting for Clinton. Too bad she is so uninspiring that such tactics seem necessary. Congrats on driving me further away from uniting behind a candidate. When teh Republicans win you can say, "I helped with that by ridiculing and bullying fellow democrats."

[PeaceNikki]

59. I question whether anyone who wouldn't vote for the Democratic nominee is really a Democrat at all.

So nothing from nothing is nothing. Net loss: ZILCH

[NowSam]

61. I question any Democrat

That votes for more fracking and less healthcare, and more debt for the people and more rewards for her corporate pals. I question anyone who votes for a candidate that changes their positions on every issues by the hour and morphs into Bernie in front of one audience and then becomes Bush in front of another audience. I value honesty, integrity and someone who shares my values. I ain't gonna hold my nose and vote for a Liar.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

146. This is about the 4th time you've pasted this. Do you actually believe you'll sway anyone?

Oh no, Internet person said 4 different times I'd be an idiot and disgusting to boot if I don't vote for someone I consider to be a bad person and a lousy candidate. I guess I'll just have to do what Interner Person tells me to do.

It's probably therapeutic though.

[PeaceNikki]

147. You're really on top of my posts! Do you keep a spreadsheet?

Do you remind everyone when they reuse words and shake your finger at them for it? That's not a very useful service but it would keep you quite busy. The pay is shit but it probably makes you feel good. That's cool. You do you.

Here's some insight, though. When people here reuse words they've said before it's most likely because: A) they feel strongly about them B) their are repeated opportunities where the same words are applicable.

I do appreciate your great interest in me personally, though.

Now about the words themselves: I stand by them. Each time I said them. This is a a Democratic board whose purpose is to help elect Democrats. I don't care if my words "sway" anyone to whom they apply. Honestly, I don't think anyone they apply to is here in good faith and wouldn't be "swayed" no matter how gently I or anyone else tried. If they apply to you and you're bothered by them, bummer. People post their opinions here all day every day and, as long as admins will have me, I will keep doing that. I don't need your approval. If you think they violate TOS, then alert on them.

Finally, I'll copy and paste them again because I really really mean it:

Support the hell out of your candidate in the primary.
Work your ass off for him or her. But if your candidate isn't strong enough to get enough delegates then sitting out, writing in a candidate or voting for anyone other than the Democratic nominee when you claim to be on the left is fucking idiotic and reeks of such privilege it's disgusting.

That's not creating a "boogie man". That's a fact.

Now you can add another tick to my tally of posting that on your spreadsheet. Keep watching, because it will probably not be the last!

Good day.

[LexVegas]

48. Truth hurts I see. nt

[pinebox]

66. What truth?

There's none here, at all.
This however is truth

[Vinca]

50. If you're worried about a Trump presidency, you should be supporting Bernie.

Hillary could be facing an October surprise which would guarantee a Trump presidency.

[xocet]

51. Now, that is the way to castigate other Democrats with a classical strategy!

You had better have someone check that syntax AI, though. It seems to have overheated.

...

You aren't at risk of being deported or having it happen to your family. You aren't going to be barred from coming to this country because of your religion. Are aren't viewer as sub-human by the White Supremacists that love Trump so much.

...

[Trenzalore]

53. Bernie's campaign switched around New Hampshire

It went from talking about revolution and change to direct attacks on Clinton. It also in my opinion sealed its fate as he took it away from being a referendum on his ideas to being a referendum on Hillary Clinton. He was doing better and building momentum. He got some really bad advice from someone.

Part of the side effects of this change in strategy is it opened the flood gates for some of his supporters to get rather nasty about the Clintons. I suspect some of them have been worked up into such anger by the Bernie campaign that it will be difficult for them to walk back.

The good news is that group is generally a small group of people that posts lots of stuff on the internet.

[EdwardBernays]

56. this certainly explains

the dwindling appeal of the party...

[whathehell]

60. Crapola..

with a capital "C".

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

62. But, if Hillary gets elected you're Honduran kids will be sent back to Honduras.

And, if your kids are middle-eastern she'll send drones to look after them.

[HooptieWagon]

67. If you think hitching on to Clinton's baggage car won't result in President Trump,...

Then it's rather futile to hold a rational discussion with you.

[PowerToThePeople]

68. Likewise

If you are the type of person who votes for a candidate who shilled in favour of the Iraq war, an international war crime; is friends with war criminals such as Kissinger, and gets paid vast sums of money from Banks and Wall Street while not telling the voters what they discussed, you are not the type of "Democrat" I wish to associate with.

[pinebox]

70. History revisionism strikes Camp Weathervane AGAIN!

Here's YOUR candidate. Own it.
It's hilarious how you guys try to pick on Bernie but you seem to forget that fuckin' Google exists.

[ibegurpard]

71. OK

[TheFarseer]

73. Voting for who I want to is racist now?

I thought it was a constitutional right.

[NowSam]

81. Thank u

This op is divisive and ugly. It is part of a narrative started by the Clinton divide and conquer team.

[firebrand80]

101. You have a constitutional right to be racist nt

[TheFarseer]

112. Not really

There are laws against racism, like housing and hiring discrimination as there should be. I sincerely hope Hillary Clinton's only selling point is that she's not racist or this election is going to be a hard slog.

[Waiting For Everyman]

74. If you're that scared, you're picking the wrong person. nt

[firebrand80]

100. I'm not scared, Trump will lose

I'm simply calling out people on the left that don't care if he wins, or even want him to win to prove a point

[H2O Man]

77. please stop

[jeff47]

78. "Clinton or Bust" = Class Privilege

It's nice to know you're well-off enough that you won't be hurt by more "free trade", more private prisons, continuing the "war on drugs", and invading more countries full of brown people.

Also, you seem utterly ignorant of Clinton's history on what she calls "illegal immigrants".

You couldn't telegraph "my candidate is so weak" any more if you put it up in flashing lights. Because if you actually believed your bullshit, you'd be busy picking out the drapes instead of continuing to fight the primary.

[PeaceNikki]

89. Please show us the "Clinton out bust" initiative.

[jeff47]

95. Metaphor? What the hell is that? (nt)

[PeaceNikki]

97. Exactly. It doesn't exist.

[firebrand80]

107. I'm voting D in November

You're barking up the wrong tree

[SidDithers]

79. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Rebkeh]

82. No. Eom.

[AzDar]

84. Minorities would suffer under a Hillary Presidency...Continuing the disastrous 'War on Drugs' ,

which affects minority communities disproportionately; her relationship with for-profit prisons, and of course, WALL ST. http://www.democracynow.org/2007/11/29/minorities_hit_hardest_by_subprime_mortgage

[imagine2015]

86. So Bernie and his supporters are to liberal for your tastes. I get it.

You prefer someone more "moderate" and in tune with the wants and desires of the super rich and Wall Street.

[shawn703]

88. Whether you drive off the cliff at 50 or 5 miles per hour

You're still going to end up at the bottom of the ravine. Everybody suffers under either presidency, except the 1%.

[AgadorSparticus]

117. Suffering is part of life but both presidencies are not created equally. People will suffer MORE

Under a Republican presidency. A LOT more. So, yea. Even though suffering is inevitable, I choose to suffer less.

[Betty Karlson]

92. If you want Clinton to lose badly in the GE, keep talking like that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1526477

[firebrand80]

98. No we don't

A handful of temper tantrums won't change anything

[Betty Karlson]

108. Third Way or the Highway, eh?

[workinclasszero]

96. Totally agree OP

A Trump in the white house will destroy my family.

[nilesobek]

99. Racist tripe.

[romanic]

102. Wow what a waste of space

this topic is.

[ZombieHorde]

103. Your post contradicts itself.

If their votes aren't needed then their votes aren't needed, so there is no harm to anyone if they vote for Sanders, and if there is no harm --if their Presidential vote is indeed completely irrelevant to the outcome of the election-- then privilege isn't in play. Not only that, but putting people down for doing something that harms no one seems very rude to me.

[firebrand80]

104. The point is they're willing to take the risk

Or even worse, WANT Trump to win

[artislife]

110. Worse that you believe a woman who

blatently dissed the Black population in 2008, really will do a lot for you. Sorry, the Left and the young finally realize once the votes are counted, we are pushed aside for real influence = money and power.

[ZombieHorde]

136. Might be political nihilism.

Some people believe the current political system will only get better after it gets much, much worse.

Some may simply be hurt feelings from the nastiness of the primary season here on DU. If we totaled the number of posts about how great our favorite candidates are, how terrible the non-favored Democratic candidate is, and how terrible the supporters of the non-favored Democratic candidate are, I believe the first type would have the fewest, by far. The feelings for most will likely be mostly healed by the time the Presidential election rolls around.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

105. Blah, blah, blah. See you in November. nt

[Jefferson23]

106. lol n/t

[artislife]

109. Voting for Hillary: Don't care about mass incarceration for profit?

..must be, since she has supporters who make their money on incarceration of PoC, the poor, the White's without power. minor drug offenses, traffic infractions, resisting arrest....blah blah blah.


Must not care, because if they are felons, they cannot vote.

[Odin2005]

111. Yay, more shitting on poor white people!

Every time one of you vows to leave the party and never come back, my attitude is "good riddance." We're better off without you.

Be careful what you wish for.

[LettuceSea]

113. The problem is I know both Hillary and Trump are full of shit, pandering to their bases

What difference does it make?

Trump disparages them, but he's not gonna deport the illegals.

Hillary disparages them, but she's not gonna reign in Wall Street.

He panders to them, but Trump won't do shit for people up in MI, PA, OH

She panders to them, but Hillary won't do shit for black people.

Trump targets the angry, Hillary targets the abandoned. Do they actually care about those people? Lol please.

[CobaltBlue]

114. No.

The "Bernie or Bust" crowd aren't the people that would suffer most under a Trump Presidency.

You aren't at risk of being deported or having it happen to your family. You aren't going to be barred from coming to this country because of your religion. Are aren't viewer as sub-human by the White Supremacists that love Trump so much.

You can afford to want Hillary to lose just so you can say "I told you so." Millions of other people in this country and around the world don't have that luxury.

Don't take this as a plea to get you to vote for Hillary. Quite the opposite. For one, your temper tantrum isn't going to work, Hillary is going to be President. Also, you aren't the type of "Democrat" I would want to associate myself with.

Every time one of you vows to leave the party and never come back, my attitude is "good riddance." We're better off without you.

I don't intend to back the Hillary Clinton campaign if she's the nominee for the general election.

I've been getting good at denying Democrats I don't trust a general-election vote. For example: In 2012, for United States Senate, I denied the incumbent Democrat my vote, due to that U.S. Senator's continued voting support for the PATRIOT Act (and the renewals), and I opted for the nominee from the Green Party.

I don't support Bernie Sanders because I want to personally feel connected to him. I support his vision and what he represents as bold and liberal (and very forward-thinking) policy ideas which used to be represented in the Democratic Party of the 1930s to 1960s. (He's a "radical" only to the ignorant and to the money opportunists, which include the corrupt Corporate News Media.)

Let me drive home the point: I'm not interested in knowingly propping up the DLC Bill Clinton Democratic Party. I want the modern version of what could be a New Deal Franklin Roosevelt Democratic Party.

[Dems to Win]

115. So Be It

If Democrats scream 'white privilege' at working class people who've seen their jobs shipped overseas and are now working at WalMart for minimum wage, they deserve to lose their votes. Trump will be happy to remind them that Hillary's husband signed NAFTA.

[NobodyHere]

116. Congratulations

Your racism guarantees that I'll never vote for Hillary.

[firebrand80]

118. Good, don't care nt

[frylock]

119. Oh well. It's good to be the king.

[riderinthestorm]

121. Within 10 years our planet will enter its crisis stage

if Hillary is elected President she will go down as instrumental in hastening the process through neglect and half-measures.

Your racist OP will mean nothing in the face of the reality of what's ahead. Some of us care about things beyond party unity - like the future of our planet and for the next generations.

[TheFarS1de]

122. Another racebait thread .

Good to see the standards are being maintained . Divide , divide ,divide ..... and a few labels for good measure , saves having to formulate an actual argument on policies .

[apnu]

124. This election echoes 2000 with the Nader people.

It has that feeling again.

[Carolina]

128. Well, first I am not white

yet I am for Bernie and cannot support Hillary, ever.

Second, your last sentence does little to help your cause or your candidate who, BTW, is a DINO. Most of what she has supported as NY Senator and SOS coupled with the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the corporations that own her, you would loathe if she had an R beside her name.

In case you need a reminder, here goes a sampling courtesy of a wonderful post by DUer Lorien:

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Pro Bankruptcy bill
Wall Street donations/six-digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Libya
Syria
Egypt
NAFTA
Glass-Steagall reversal
Walmart
Millions from arms dealers, then awarded them huge contracts

Spare us your loyalty oaths

[840high]

165. .^that

[Doctor_J]

130. Yes because Clinton policies like TPP and for profit prisons are great for minorities

And Sanders policies like a living wage and healthcare for all only help white people.

I am sometimes surprised that Clinton supporters can find the "on" switch on their computers.

[arcane1]

132. The FUD brigade is getting more desperate and ridiculous by the day.

Fooling no one.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

134. I am a middle-aged woman --

who has the change in my couch for savings and who is pretty much one paycheck away from the street every damn day. I, along with the MILLIONS of others you mention, don't have a helluva lot of "privilege" in life, which is why making sure Bernie Sanders is elected President of the Unites States is critical. If you think that Hillary is going to provide what us "millions" what we genuinely need than you haven't been paying much attention.

[840high]

166. .+1

[jfern]

137. Clinton supporters were threatening to have Bloomberg run as an independent

if Bernie got the nomination.

[OZi]

138. Bill's crime reform didn't affect me but Glass-Steagall did.

Obama deporting more illegals than W. doesn't affect me but his support for the TPP does.

Representation of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1% affects 99% of us. I think YOU aren't the type of "Democrat" I want to associate with.

[w4rma]

143. ^ This. Exactly. (nt)

[AZ Progressive]

139. A proud third way / DLCer, eh?

That means you are for job destroying and sovereignty violating trade bills (like NAFTA and TPP), Wall Street, corruption, corporatism, outsourcing, automation, "win at all costs" over principles, and are for the top 33% of society. You must dislike the FDR Democrats, who favored the working class, the middle 33%, and the poor.

[JCanete]

140. I disagree with your characterization.

and for the record, I'm very troubled that I may not cast my vote for Hillary in this election, for the very real short-term harm that a republican presidency will have on American citizens.

But the reason that Trump is even where he is today, is that neither major party has been playing it straight with us. If for the last 25 years the Democratic Party, particularly the DLC wing of it(now it's just the DNC)hadn't been in the pocket of big banks and the prison industry, not to mention so hawkish on war and small business destroying trade agreements, the American middle class would be larger and more inclusive today, and it wouldn't be so easy for politicians to channel this fear and uncertainty into anger against black and brown people, away from the people who are actually stealing everybody's lunch.

What you seem to think is that the Democratic Party Establishment is the bulwark against this demagoguery. What I think is that two moneyed wings of the establishment are performing some elaborate Kabuki Theater around issues of civil rights, while they both continue to support policies that make the conditions possible for a Donald Trump to successfully pedal hate to a possible nomination. And of course our unconscionably bloated prison system and unscrupulous banking industry that have donated handsomely to democrats have both disproportionately preyed on black and brown Americans, and no surprise, nobody has stopped them.

A vote for Hillary is in my opinion, a vote to keep up the charade while everybody, particularly people of color, get squeezed. I want to hold out hope that this is just her Loooooong game, that she's actually a liberal at heart waiting for the right moment to take the wheel and turn us around, but she's given me enough reason to not believe it.

[coyote]

142. Nicely said.

I agree with you 100% and welcome to DU.

[w4rma]

144. ^ This. Exactly. Also. (nt)

[artislife]

150. This is smart. nt

[840high]

167. Thank you.

[AgingAmerican]

141. Ridiculous notion and stereotyping

[Politicalboi]

151. You have no idea of what you speak

Better off without us. We're better off without YOU! You support a liar and a cheater and your too blind to see it. We DON'T need your kind. You're not a REAL Democrat. You support visiting polls and suppressing the vote. Not against the law YOU say, but we don't like CHEATERS. Fuck them!

[Jester Messiah]

153. Oh look, race-shaming. What a mature and moral tactic.

Not at all sickening or disgraceful. You should be so proud!

[vintx]

154. I love all these posts about how much Democrats don't want voters who are sick of the status quo.

Many Bernie voters are disgusted with the two party charade and are only here because they see the chance to actually CHANGE something.

But y'all don't see that with all this thumbing your nose bullshit, they won't be the only types exiting the party when all the dust settles. (Like me. Before this year, I would never have imagined I'd be leaving the party after over two decades of voting straight ticket Dem)

So keep it up. Third party voters are needed for local races.

[dmm80]

155. I'm black and I hereby call this post a Crock of Shit!!! To the trash with you.

[840high]

168. Welcome to DU.

[Beowulf]

156. Who had children deported to Honduras to teach their parents a lesson?

Several of those children were murdered by the fine folks she helped install.

I agree that Trump would be a disaster for the country, but I also believe Hillary would be a disaster as well. There's no "I told you so." I see Hillary as bringing her own set of dangers and she does not make me feel safer than any of the GOP candidates.

[Marr]

157. This poster should really be banned.

I've seen little from them besides this sort of nonsensical, race-baiting nonsense. If WillyT deserved a ban for that, surely this person does as well.

[hellofromreddit]

163. This is not unifying people

Don't take this as a plea to get you to vote for Hillary.

Then there seems to be no purpose to your message.

What are you trying to accomplish?

[KentuckyWoman]

164. I'm impressed.

A jury let this stand. Kind of embarrassing for DU really.

[Aerows]

170. I hope to everything that I am and everything I have

That we aren't faced with a President Cruz.

If that doesn't scare the shit out of people, then what will?

[thucythucy]

171. I would add people with disabilities to your list of people who would suffer

disproportionately under Trump.

The man has shown he has no reluctance to mock someone with a disability simply because he or she is disabled. He reminds me of schoolyard bullies I used to encounter as a kid.

The GOP has long had the Americans with Disabilities Act in the sights, seeing it as "political correctness" run amok. I definitely don't want a president, Congress, and Supreme Court willing to gut the ADA and undo all the good work the disability rights movement has done these past fifty years.

Edited to add: for the first time in my life I think I agree with Mitt Romney. "Trickle down racism" indeed.