Like it or Not, Hillary Clinton is Being More Honest with Voters Than Bernie Sanders

[fun n serious]

"In fact, even Sanders knows an overwhelming Democratic majority in Congress is unlikely based on his answer to a question during CNN’s town hall when he was asked how he plans to get any of this passed. His answer wasn’t that he thinks Democrats are going to shock the world by winning overwhelming majorities in both the House and Senate. It was his claim that he has a record working with the other side to get things done. Though the key phrase he used during his answer was “when there was common ground.” I can promise you this much: when it comes to socializing health care, free public college, more than doubling the minimum wage, raising taxes on the middle class and passing trillions in tax hikes for the wealthy – there’s absolutely zero “common ground” to be found within the GOP on any of that."

Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/like-it-or-not-hillary-clinton-is-being-more-honest-to-voters-than-bernie-sanders/

[Rosa Luxemburg]

1. Hillary is not interested in change

Republicans will obstruct her at every turn

[choie]

2. That's a joke

Clinton lies constantly. Since Bernie entered the race she's been stealing his policies, but you can be damn sure that if she becomes president she will do an about face.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

33. She has sent dozens of clones to spew crap.

It is actually impressive. So many sites, so many new members, so much crap.
It is also sad. Thy are so full of it, that it is embarrassing.

[Jitter65]

69. Full of what? What are they saying that is crap?

Just asking.

[JonLeibowitz]

3. How can Hillary Clinton be honest with voters when she refuses basic transparency requests?

[Trust Buster]

4. Just once I would like to hear Sanders level with the college students he speaks to

by telling them that the likelihood of his proposals passing a Repblican-controlled House is not very good. He owes it to them to tell them that.

[fun n serious]

5. Yes he does.

Pie in the sky for sure. We would need not only need to control the house and Senate but virtually eliminate all republicans in office to get his plans passed.

[thesquanderer]

42. Sanders would potentially have 4 congresses over two terms

potentially enough time to get control over both houses

[TCJ70]

6. HE'S SAID IT IN EVERY SPEECH HE'S EVER GIVEN ON THE TRAIL!

Every single one. He say something to the effect of: Nothing happens without changing congress first!

[Trust Buster]

8. Does he mention that the Republicans have gerrymandered so many safe districts that they

will have a lock on the House during the next presidency ? I don't think so.

[TCJ70]

11. So, you don't refute that he acknowledges it...

...but still think this is a negative against him? How will Hillary get her newly found "progressive" policies through congress? The same gerrymandered congress that Sanders would face?

Here's the deal, enough people vote, we win. Gerrymandering and all.

[Trust Buster]

21. The Republicans intend to keep Congress paralyzed be it Hillary or Sanders.

With the changing racial demographics in this country, the Republicans want the Judicial Branch to be the de facto Legislative Branch. That's why I'm more focused on the Supreme Court than I am on a candidate proposing legislation that I know is DOA. Beyond that, whatever Hillary can get passed through Congress is just frosting on the Supreme Court cake IMO.

[Armstead]

43. If it's as bleak as you say...Give up on the Supreme Court too

Neither of them would get a nominee through.

Over and done with. let's all just give it up.

[Trust Buster]

55. That makes no sense and is more dramatic than logical.

In time, as the demographics continue to change, the Congress will naturally start skewing more and more Left. That's why the Judicial Branch means everything to Republicans. We cut them off at the pass by having a Democrat reshape the Court and the changes we need in Congress will be following reasonably soon after. Not soon enough for a 74 year old man with hopes of a revolution. But, it will start happening in the decade ahead.

[Armstead]

57. I am using hyperbole because I disagree with your premise

Congress will not srtart naturally skewing to the left unless the Demnocrats force it to start skewing left. That will never happen as long as Democrats avoid "the left" as they are doing by electing Clinton.

As long as democrats keep offering tapioca nothingness as a platform, independents -- and many progressives -- will feel no need to vote for them.

[Trust Buster]

62. Pretty soon, the white demographic will no longer represent a majority.

Yes, Congress will naturally start skewing Left. The Republicans believe that. That's why their willing to move heaven and earth to have a Republican reshape the Supreme Court. Because they know that "time" is not their friend in the Legislative Branch. They're passing laws to suppress the vote of a growing minority demographic for a reason - my premise is that reason.

[Armstead]

65. Many ethnic people are moderate to conservative

Demographic shifts do not push anything automatically left. Just as there are many liberal/progressive whites, there are Latinos and AAs and other non whites who are not automatically liberal or progressive.

And as for new residents, as generations of minorities become assimilated, they will behave just as their white counterparts.

It's IDEAS and VALUES that make the difference.

[Trust Buster]

67. I can tell you that the Republican Party does not agree with you.

Their shameful redistricting efforts and voter suppression efforts are designed to lessen the effects of the shift that I have described.

[Thinkingabout]

9. I am shocked he has not raised funds for down ticket Democrats if he is saying

It will take changing congress to get his agenda passed.

[TCJ70]

12. He is saying it...

...part of his platform is attempting to increase voter turnout. He's advocated for making voting day a national holiday, reducing voter ID laws, everything to get more people out. Fundraising isn't so important as voting. He also has to fight for everything he's gotten this primary season and refusing to take corporate donations plays right into the low, sleazy talking point you mention. Like NOT taking corporate cash is a bad thing or something.

[Thinkingabout]

16. Do you really believe the candidates doesn't need funds? Sanders must not believe this,

He has been fund raising with corporate lobbyists, got contributions, just seems strange.

[PeaceNikki]

24. That down ticket focus is a major difference between the BS and HRC campaigns.

She's actually working very hard on them.

[SwampG8r]

78. And they kick it back to her victory fund

Down ticket dems.o ly get anything over the limit
She gets the rest

[fun n serious]

70. He won't either. nt

[Loudestlib]

77. And he shouldn't.

They used that money in ads and flyers against him. Some of his money is from my donations, I haven't given to the DNC in years. If they wanted my money they should stop trading favors to prop-up right-wing, backstabbing, DINOs.

[redstateblues]

14. It's a brilliant scheme of Bernies

To promise things to a naive segment of the electorate, knowing full well that he can't deliver

[ChairmanAgnostic]

36. Amazing.

Really. How can you look in a mirror?

[redstateblues]

61. Nice personal attack. Bernie knows he can't deliver

He's a politician. It's working pretty well so far. It probably won't be enough in the long run.

[angstlessk]

22. You DO realize that tuition at public colleges was FREE

for in state students?

[Trust Buster]

25. I fail to see how that is relevant. If the numbers don't exist in Congress to pass it,

then the numbers don't exist in Congress to pass it.

[Armstead]

40. And that's because over the years Democrats failed to inspire voters

[Trust Buster]

45. The reasons are irrelevant. The current numbers in Congress are all that's relevant IMO.

[Armstead]

48. The reasons are extremely relevant...Unless you want to keep repeating the same mistakes

[Trust Buster]

51. Not to the immediate prospects for legislation their not. We were talking short term here.

[Armstead]

53. We're always talking short term -- If the Dems had rolled the dice years ago....

this conversation would be needless and the GOP would be either irrelevant or at least not in total control of things.

[Trust Buster]

58. If candy and nuts....I'm referring to the current makeup of Congress.

That's all that's relevant right now. A president has to deal with the present reality. Could of's would of's and should of's are of little help to a sitting president.

[Armstead]

59. Today's do's and don't do's are tomorow's "if only's" and "could've s"

[Trust Buster]

64. I agree, but a sitting president must operate in the now if he/she wishes to get anything done.

[redstateblues]

63. We have won the popular vote in the last 5 out of 6 GEs

[Armstead]

66. Who controls Congress? Who controls the states?

[redstateblues]

68. We have good chance to take back the Senate

I haven't seen Bernie using his popularity to raise funds for down ballot Dems like Hillary has. I've heard no plan from him how he plans to get the state houses back

[Seeinghope]

10. No Hillary is not being more honest

Hillary has a trail of lies and deceit easily followed.

Bernie has worked successfully across the aisle for over two decades.

Bernie Sanders also has said thar WE have to be part of the "revolution" which means electing people in government more in line with Bernie Sanders platform. It also means that when he gets in the White House, we have only begun to fight. I think that is the message that most Hillary Clinton supporters miss. They mostly look at Hillary Clinton in a way that she is going to do it all by herself with the support of the congress and.... Bernie Sanders wants the congress to work with him, of course, and he also wants us to stand with him. That is a huge difference.

You cannot work with all of your supporters which equals a type of transparency that is more honest than anything behind closed doors.....deals with unknowns.

[fun n serious]

15. I know what his ideas are

I am saying it will take more than 4 years and more probable NEVER

[Seeinghope]

20. Then you have no faith

A revolution doesn't happen overnight. It is the beginning of massive change will take years and it will involve countless people. It will be started by Bernie Sanders but it will live on beyond him in new leaders to carry on the changes that are needed. Bernie Sanders is taking that first step and for the 1st in a very long time many many people are joining him. We are ready.

[Armstead]

37. We're all going to die and life is ultimately meaningless

If that's what we're going to base out politics, then let's all just give up and stay drunk.

[snowy owl]

13. Tired of reminding people who purport this... COATTAILS

Bernie has COATTAILS. He would bring people in who would be more likely to support him. He would bring more democrats in The reason we have so many Republicans is that democrats don't vote in off years. Yes, he/I might be proved wrong. But I guess with your way of thinkng, we'll never know. Somebody has parsed this phrase and claim and distorted it mightily. Think for yourself. If you want change, start with someone who has a history of making change. If you read the original NY Times article, you could see for yourself how he works. But if you choose the status quo, well, that's what you'll get. Be happy with it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160314164825/http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-amendments.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/14/why-a-wall-street-investor-endorsed-senator-bernie-sanders/

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Whereas, Hillary finds oodles of common ground to collaborate with the Republicans.

See IWR vote for prime example.

[insta8er]

41. Like fracking? only in certain areas of the country..and they have to disclose what chemicals they

are using...yeah like that is going to help us clean the ground water. People, there is soooo much information out there...google this stuff..Her answer should have been NO HELL NO..... I want my kids and their kids to be able to drink the water long after I am gone.

[riderinthestorm]

18. Climate change is upon us. Hillary offers weak and pathetic proposals. A lie

of monstrous proportions.

She's not being honest here and if elected will go down in flames as the leader who torched the planet.

I want the strongest possible candidate for action NOW. The planet can't wait.

[Broward]

19. That some lack a grasp of reality has never been more evident.

[angstlessk]

23. REALITY is if not now when?

After the planet can no longer produce food? After more people become homeless...maybe we should devote an entire state to the homeless after the TPP is the law of the land? Maybe Texas can house them all?

[Trust Buster]

26. When we have a Left-leaning Supreme Court firmly in our grasp.

[angstlessk]

30. By left leaning, you mean a conservative like

Merrick Garland? Not exactly a liberal!

[Trust Buster]

38. Garland is not a conservative. He's a moderate replacing a far Right Justice.

The Republicans have a 54-46 edge in Congress They will not confirm a liberal justice to replace Scalia. You didn't know that ?

[angstlessk]

44. Moderate? What happened to liberal judges? n/t

[Trust Buster]

50. Republicans have a 54-46 edge in the Senate. They will not confirm a liberal to replace Scalia.

[angstlessk]

54. So now we just give in to the republicans?

The Democratic party of today looks more like the Nixon repubs of ore..I was going to say Eisenhower, but those repulicans were even more liberal than Democrats today!

[Trust Buster]

56. Then, by all means, wish for a liberal Justice to replace Scalia given the Republicans 54-46

advantage. Be sure to get back to me to let me know how that works out for ya.

[Broward]

28. I agree the time is now.

Unfortunately, I think the Party is on the verge of blowing it.

[insta8er]

27. Hillary cheersquad reminds me of Faux News viewers...this is one of those instances

Uninformed, and verbatim mimicking the talking points.

Bernie has mentioned numerous times that this is a revolution and that it is going to take more then just electing him, he mentioned several times (there are a lot of videos on this subject online, but hey why should you bother right?)...that he cannot do it alone and that this revolution needs to extend into replacing house and senate members as well. In one word "VOTE".

Where does Hillary gets the idea that she will be able to do everything she is promising? without a senate and a house that is democratic? she doesn't because she does not have the intend on delivering anything that she promised.

[liberal from boston]

31. Hillary

Also, Hillary will not expand Obamacare to Medicare for all--she is owned by Insurance & Pharmaceutical Companies???

[Kokonoe]

29. It's better to vote for good ideas, with a like minded candidate than

A person who would trade away my interest for personal gain.

[insta8er]

34. Perfectly formulated!

[Armstead]

32. The higher you aim, the further you get -- even if it can't be all the way. And conversely...

the lower you aim the less you get.

[angstlessk]

49. Yes, aim for the stars...

...and you might lasso the moon!

[Avalux]

35. It's easy and convenient to use Republicans as an excuse for not even trying. n/t

[Vattel]

39. clueless

[Armstead]

46. The new Democratic mantra -- "Life is a cosmic void. Abandon all hope but elect us."

[aaaaaa5a]

47. This is why I support Clinton over Sanders

That, and she is actually electable in The GE.

[Karma13612]

71. People are saying they would vote for Trump over Hillary.

She is NOT guaranteed to win if she is our Nominee up against Trump.

And Bernie is far more electable against the republican circus.

[fun n serious]

74. I disagree

about Bernie being more electable. I know he has the far left in his pocket but most people are not far left. They're just not. If they were he would be beating Hillary by a landslide.

[Karma13612]

75. Go ahead and disagree, but the polls don't lie. eom

[orpupilofnature57]

52. Like entitlement , embellishing and detracting from the Truth to win at any cost ?

[senseandsensibility]

60. serious? never

fun? does not compute.

[dmm80]

72. Like it or not, this post is a crock of shit. To the trash it goes

[Doctor_J]

73. Like it or not, some Hillary supporters have a tenuous grip on reality

[Waiting For Everyman]

76. Trashing. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

79. So you think it is honest to say Ron and Nancy were heroes of the AIDS crisis?

What I think is the worst part about that offensive speech Hillary delivered is that her supporters here defended it, excused it and have yet to moderate their accusations of dishonesty by Bernie even for a few days after such a bigoted, dishonest pile of Republican reputation polishing was done on live TV by your very own Hillary.

The behavior of the candidate is unacceptable, but her supporters accept it.

[vintx]

80. !!!