If HRC gets nominated, she'll lose if she reduces her pitch to "it's enough that I'm not Trump".

[Ken Burch]

We can't win with lesser-evil campaigns anymore, and we have no need to settle for that.

Whoever we nominate needs to actually run a positive and clearly progressive campaign, one that validates activism and embraces a democratic, anti-corporate agenda.

There are no votes we could get from anyone to HRC's right.

[joshcryer]

1. She'll run a "love trumps hate," campaign.

And laugh as Trump continually denigrates the Democratic base and the majority of American people.

[Ken Burch]

3. You can't credibly run as a "love trumps hate" candidate

when you support a militaristic foreign policy and the death penalty.

[JonLeibowitz]

4. I don't think you can with anyone other than Trump.

But it ensures that she is a 1-term President, because there is no other purpose behind her Presidency. I still cannot find what her overarching theme and goal is.

[joshcryer]

7. That presumes a dramatic shift in Republican policy.

And since they can't win, as Trump is showing, without appealing to a very nasty core base, a more likely scenario is that a left leaning party crops up. But that's super long term.

[JonLeibowitz]

10. I think someone like Romney could beat Hillary.

The problem is, as you say, the Republican base is very nasty. Romney was not assured of clinching the nomination in 2012, and he was fairly moderate. I am not sure the base would go for a guy like that anymore.

I believe you are right -- as the Democratic party shifts further rightward towards business-friendly policies, we may see the emergence of something of a Labor party.

[delrem]

20. Be honest. Hillary won't be hard for anybody they put up to beat.

The revulsion for her $160+million payoff from the left makes her the candidate for anybody to beat.
Don't matter that she's got the Kardashians, the Kissingers and Kagans.

[joshcryer]

5. Trump's domestic policy is pure hate.

He wants to deport people to the tune hundreds of thousands a year, wants to bring back torture.

Please, tell me how Trump can run a more "credible" "loving" campaign, it sounds fascinating. "Make America Great Again" is not a moto of someone who wants to bring "greatness" to America, it's code speak for a racist bigoted campaign.

The protests against Trump are going to be massive. Thousands of people, he won't be able to have a rally anywhere without massive protests.

[delrem]

21. I wonder what Bill Clinton said to his friend Donald Trump?

Ah, forget it.
It's a distraction.

Otherwise I have to give Bill Clinton credit.
It was a couple hundred million $ well spent.

[joshcryer]

22. If he really did convince him...

...it'd be the greatest political maneuver of all time. All time.

I do think Clinton encouraged him to get in to politics, but not in his wildest dreams could he have foreseen how epic it is. If there was a sort of gentlemens agreement (the wildest conspiracy I can imagine since I can't see Trump willingly falling on his sword for anyone), you can bet Trump would come out and say it.

"I wanted to make America great again by showing just how easily a reality star could scrounge up the deepest hate of the country! It was all a show! Do you think I really believe in deporting millions of people?!? Do you know the logistics of that? How insane that is? Yet you fools ate it up!"

Trump is not magnanimous. This is a guy who shits on gold toilets.

[Kittycat]

23. I thought that was just a joke. That isn't a serious pitch is it?

Really, what's her progressive agenda going to look like? It's changed so much, I really have no idea. Love trumps hate, when you cluster bomb, and sell arms to other countries isn't really love.

[joshcryer]

24. Watch as the anti-Trump protests ramp up.

He won't be able to have a rally anywhere in the country without thousands of people protesting him. It's going to get very ugly. The American people will not elect a fascist bigoted hatemonger.

[Kittycat]

25. Watch the republicans save themselves.

They are all about survivalism, and they will kill their own monster if they have to. In all my years, I've never seen them speak out against their own like this, but they are. We shall see what happens.

[joshcryer]

26. Trump runs independent if they try anything.

And that 30% crazy base goes for him by huge numbers.

[Kittycat]

28. Then we'll have a party for 4.

[joshcryer]

31. Then the Democrats hold power until 2032.

[elleng]

2. If she gets nominated, she'll lose PERIOD.

"'If we are going to nominate someone who 50% of our people can't stand,

we will lose."

(Marco Rubio)

[dmm80]

6. rubio. hate the bastard, but in this case...

Well said.

[elleng]

8. I agree.

[ucrdem]

9. She's ALREADY winning.

That's why none of those tired electability arguments work anymore. 2016 Primaries, by candidate:

Clinton - 8,668,136

Trump - 7,548,429

Sanders - 6,131,951

[dmm80]

11. I think you half showed you stats. There was more than this.

[dmm80]

12. Found it.

2016 Primaries, by candidate:

Clinton - 8,668,136

Trump - 7,548,429

Sanders - 6,131,951

Cruz 5,484,494

Rubio 3,394,134

Kasich 2,725,327

Carson 677,307

Bush 249,894

O'Malley 94,692


Ok. So Hillary is doing better than trump right now, but what about the others in bold? How do you know that they won't get behind Trump? Also, this data confirms low turnout on the Democratic side.

[elleng]

13. and how many primaries remain?

How many states? What % of the u.s. is not reflected in these numbers??? (Sorry, don't mean to be snarky.)

[dmm80]

14. Quite alright. I'm just showing this Hillary supporter that she half show the data. It's true that

anything could happen between now and the rest of the primaries, but if anyone takes this data seriously, then the democratic party is in dire peril. The GOP candidates have more voters on their side than Hillary, Bernie, and O'Malley combined. Whether you're a Berner or with Hillary, this is a problem.

[ucrdem]

15. Well, one point several have made today is that the primaries are different from the GE,

meaning that in primaries voters are more interested in individuals, whereas the GE is a more serious affair. But I'm looking at how Obama won because that's the path that Hillary is following, with success so far.

[dmm80]

16. i see.

[OZi]

29. Success?

How many seats have Dems lost since 08? How did the mid-terms go for Obama?

Obama has charm and charisma. Hillary has neither plus tonnage of baggage. She was already deemed inferior to Obama and now the Republicans are fired up from being the "out of power" party and having Hillary get the nomination will just add fuel to that fire.

[Dawgs]

32. Hillary is no Obama. n/t

[elleng]

17. I'm with you 100%.

[delrem]

18. So she can't win. /nt

[elleng]

19. Right, imo.

[Lorien]

27. She'll do what she's doing now; she'll try to stay out of sight and keep her mouth shut

because every time she opens it she inserts her foot. That's the DWS strategy; keep her out of sight and keep their friend Drumpf talking the crazy talk for as long as possible, distracting the media away from her so that the only thing that anyone is discussing is how awful he is. She thinks that she can easily win on name recognition and being "not Trump". Seriously; she's as weak as Dukakis, but with a lot more baggage. The DNC is determined to stay on this suicide mission, though.

[jillan]

30. Yep .........

[PowerToThePeople]

33. It is all they have.

[Broward]

34. Yes, but for Hillary to run a positive, progressive campaign would require her

to misrepresent who she really is.

[PoliticAverse]

35. It's not that she's not Trump it's that Trump is Trump. n/t