2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Bernie is such a terrible candidate, and has NO INFLUENCE, why do you want him to drop out?
Makes no sense! Why worry about a socialist who no one likes and has no good ideas?
You hillary fans crack me up.
radical noodle
(7,997 posts)I've also not heard Hillary suggest he drop out. I do think the country would be better served if they stopped bashing one another and started bashing the Republicans.
metroins
(2,550 posts)We don't need to write the GOP attack ads for them.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)time - ready and waiting. We have a primary to tend to, without worrying about the GOP. They will do what they do regardless.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Democrats hurting Democrats makes no sense.
Let the GOP devour itself, we can win our primary without injuring each other.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Never mind. I just saw you posed this very point in Feb. And anyone that posts "I mean Bernie insinuates Hillary is in Wall st. Pocket and Hillary insinuates Bernie is for unicorns. I just kinda wish they'd stick to the topics." is not playing the question straight.
Glad I looked before wasting my time and bandwidth on a disingenuous post.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511163167#post4
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)You needed to add the 'mic drop' at the end there, well put reply
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)The fact that Hillary has a lot of baggage and a lot of negatives, is not the fault of Bernie or his supporters. AND, more importantly, none of that baggage or those negatives are lost to the Republicans.
It is VERY IMPORTANT to air out all of it during the primary so we can decide which candidate has the best chance for the General Election.
The fact that Hillary and her supporters are squealing so loud about it means that THEY realize all of her negatives already and are embartassed by them and don't want them out.
But they will come out anyway, so better now when we can do something about it than later when the Republicans will.
Logical
(22,457 posts)radical noodle
(7,997 posts)I've never said that Bernie has no pull or doesn't matter... nor has Hillary Clinton.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)hear him bashing her in anyway except when they are talking about issues.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Isn't that when the FBI makes its decision on whether HRC's private server issue?
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)The primary is effectively over, so all that matters now is how he can best help Hillary win the general election. If he stays in the race, he needs to hold off with the attacks and all that silliness regarding Goldman speeches and so on. If he focuses on issues, and attacking Trump, its fine if he stays in.
Logical
(22,457 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)keep the White House begins.
Unless he wants to carry water for Trump. We'll see.
Logical
(22,457 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)to kick it back a bit. Good for them.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)She asserted that no other candidate had ever been pressured to drop out, she suggested it was a unique, personal and perhaps sexist tactic and she repeatedly called it 'historically unprecedented'. Then 8 years later she and her campaign are doing to Bernie exactly what was done to her 'unprecedented, I don't know why they are doing this I will not speculate...RFK in a pool of blood!!!!! June!!!!!"
DanTex
(20,709 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)And should Hillary win at the convention and then lose at the GE, BOO HOO HOO,
you stoopid friggin' DLC PARTY LEADERS! Thanks for the Big Nothing!
bvf
(6,604 posts)the "blame Sanders supporters" argument. You must be confident enough that she'll win the nomination, but not quite so much that she could beat Trump.
Quit blaming everyone else for Clinton's faults already.
FarPoint
(12,293 posts)It's the fan base followers he attracts that have been so destructive and full of HATE for actve, Democratic Leaders of my Democratic Party....that group will ultimately extinguish the Bern.....
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)With the "Democratic" leaders like DWS supporting the payday loan sharks, we are overdue for a long look in the mirror.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Kaleva
(36,259 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)ecstatic
(32,653 posts)And that takes money. Money that is being spent running against Sanders (who would never win the GE, BTW).
SDjack
(1,448 posts)about HRC running out of money. The speeches that she gives now for "peanuts", she will give updated ones after being president (?) for over $1M a pop. Easily get 10-to-1 return.
hereforthevoting
(241 posts)And she probably wouldn't stop a lot of what they want to see in the USA.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Most polling has him kicking Drumpf's butt in a general election. Heck, he beats every republican candidate running by a wider margin than Hill does. I had always contended that the primary election would be harder for him to run with the general being easier (the exact opposite of Hill in that regard).
Ultimately money won't guarantee you an election; Energy and enthusiasm will, and one of the candidates has a lot more than the other.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Or maybe she'll want to do some campaigning for Bernie.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I'm thinking they won't mind another DLClinton presidency.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)Maybe Hillary will have a stroke, who the heck knows what's going to happen in the next couple of months.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Having a Clinton behind bars? Sweet!
The more I learn about the server issue, the more disgusted I am.
Sydney Blumenthal? That POS?
Dem2
(8,166 posts)It shows great sophistication
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Have you read what the NSA has been saying?
Wow.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)How's Dick Cheney doing in prison?
I mean, at least some underling went down for murdering hundreds of thousands based on known lies, right?
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)For good reason.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)Huh. OK. Yeah, you got me. Hands up, don't shoot.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Better go do some reading instead of being so knee-jerk
Dem2
(8,166 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Instead, I have been reading quite respectable journals which publish scholarly texts. My take is that she is in deep shit. Deservedly so.
Go ahead. Ignore it. Ignore the fact that 52% of america neither likes nor trusts your hero. See what your blinders-on approach does in November. It will be your fault, and the fault of other clinton worshippers.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)The more I lean about the server issue, the happier I get.
Hello indictment!!!!
dubyadiprecession
(5,697 posts)She might ask bernie to be her running mate.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Bern2WinUSA
(44 posts)Make no mistake they are only calling for Bernie to drop out Because they know he can win!!!
Bernie is in it to win it!!!!! Bring on the Convention!!!!!
Feel the Bern!!!!
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)He should drop the attacks on Hillary if he thinks she is 1000X better than any republican and spend his time attacking the GOP.
synergie
(1,901 posts)and losing him respect can be countered with their little signature banner stating that Bernie isn't what he's acting like!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Are you invited to the tea party with Cinderella in the Fairy Castle?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)acts of desperation that diminish him and carry RW water. Go back to arguing the actual issues, back when people still weren't going to vote for him, but respected him and the principles he's tossed over the side in the past months.
You BS fans are great comedians, it's almost like you believe all the things you pretend we say, when it's literally stuff you made up.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Before he decided to turn the negative on. Someone gave him bad advice.
synergie
(1,901 posts)went negative. They don't actually care about progressives and Dems, they're getting money from independents and shady foreign sources. Tad's raking it in, and they're spending like crazy too. Not getting much out of it, but then they don't need it for the GE so they're free to do so.
Also, have you noticed just how terrible the advice Bernie is getting lately? Jane's little Arpaio gaffe, Bernie stomping out, the stuff that keeps coming out of BS's mouth about minorities... it's unending. If you've lost that many campaigns, why would anyone hire you? And when you have the background you do (dictators/humanr rights abusers/Goldman Sachs CEO's and Monsanto just to name few) in your portfolio, how dumb are you to keep trying to damn your competition by the people she associates with?
Surely there is someone to look at malpractice at this level?
Logical
(22,457 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)attack her integrity, to accuse her of stealing votes and most recently has been sliming Bill with RW "edited" video to claim that Obama was being attacked.
That you are not paying attention to what's going on, doesn't mean that you have the right to demand that I silence myself because the swarm cannot do so any longer.
RW smears are pretty much the only arguments left here, and ones a desperate and gasping campaign and candidate are clinging to. You cannot silence the truth, no matter how little you like it.
That indictment nonsense as well is RW in origin.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Response to Logical (Reply #38)
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ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Another hillarian lying to us. Bless your heart.
synergie
(1,901 posts)Not only are many of you hysterically posting in the very threads that reference these things, you still feel the need to post such blatantly false things to attack people telling you truths you simply cannot handle.
Another lazy uninformed BSer. I guess we know WHY you refuse to do your homework, you just can't handle the truth! Aren't you just special!
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...and will attribute things to him that don't come from his campaign (like the Bill Clinton video). It's not worth asking for details because they don't have any.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)She can win? Pf. That was a stupid excuse to start with.
synergie
(1,901 posts)enough to swallow RW semars whole cloth with zero attempt at critical thought?
Blaming your candidate's failures with voters on such a silly, facile line is what's stupid. She's the better candidate, everyone knows it. They might like the pie-in-the-sky rhetoric Bernie's selling, but they know who they're voting for and why.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)The issues have been discussed ad nauseum. She can't even deal with BLM without pissing people off. She's an incendiary idiot who's going to end up pissing off the entire planet. She'll probably end up killing more people than Bush.
Is Bell Hooks right wing, incidentally?
Also, what's a semar?
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)She fought hard until the convention.
It pisses me off that they don't feel Bernie deserves the same right.
It makes me not want to vote for her.
I will though.
I will hold my nose and do it with a frown.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)IAC, that's at least how long Bernie should stay in.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)drop out:
We all know some see Bernie as 'different' and not allowed the same things other candidates are allowed.....
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Why worry about a socialist who no one likes and has no good idea..."
For the same reason you're concerned about the sentiment** of singular* posters with little to no influence who want Sanders to drop out?
(*Singular: being the only one of its kind; distinctive; unique: a singular example.)
(**Sentiment: an attitude toward something; regard; opinion. 2. a mental feeling; emotion: a sentiment of pity.)
Tarc
(10,472 posts)The calls for Sanders to drop out are not for personal or policy failings, but rather for the simple fact that the math is against him.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)So do us a favor Bernie and help Hillary win in November.
randome
(34,845 posts)He only joined the Democratic Party to take advantage of its connections. The country is more important than one man and he should help rally us around our likely nominee. I understand if he wants to stay in a little longer but if he wants to work with the Democratic Party in order to have more influence, he should stop fighting it and start building the coalitions he should have had from the start.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Did you know he caucused with the Democrats for all his decades in congress? And they appreciated him so much that they put him on committees and even made him chairman of some. YOU have done far less for the Democratic party than he has. And yet, for some reason, you think you have some standing to dis him.
randome
(34,845 posts)Trash-talking a political party then joining it at the last minute is not the way to build long-lasting coalitions. It's the difference between telling someone he's a fool and trying to show him he can be better. Calling him a fool is just going to be ignored.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Tad Devine alone was paid $810,000.00 for March.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, keep shining the lights on how corrupt the political system has become.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)him staying should understand that in the past almost no candidate has gone to the Convention unless they were incumbent.
I started watching Conventions in the 50s and having several candidates get to the Convention does not hurt anyone. What hurts is when one candidate tries to pressure another one out - and what that does is turn the other candidates supporters against them
Think Humphrey in 1968. It was very clear that the establishment pushed him in and then wondered why people did not vote. It was never because Humphrey was not a good man - it was because the establishment took the decision out of the hands of the people.
I will not work this time either.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)The establishment forced Humphrey on us. We ended up with Nixon.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)RandySF
(58,511 posts)But it's still over.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)IMHO.
Otoh, it's his prerogative to do all of those things.