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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:37 PM Mar 2016

NBC reporter embedded in Sanders campaign just now said:

"If Hillary can't engender the kind of enthusiasm in Democrats that Bernie is stirring in his campaigns, she is going to be in trouble in the fall."

The enthusiasm gap Hillary holds will lose the election to Trump.

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NBC reporter embedded in Sanders campaign just now said: (Original Post) grasswire Mar 2016 OP
2.5 million more votes is a lot of enthusiasm Renew Deal Mar 2016 #1
So you're saying it's not name recognition but informed voters for Hillary? snowy owl Mar 2016 #23
Those that bother to vote in the Primary? Yes. brooklynite Mar 2016 #77
for now,that'll be gone in no time. wendylaroux Mar 2016 #28
You're going with the "it's only but a flesh wound" argument? Renew Deal Mar 2016 #33
no,I'm going with the wait awhile and see who has more votes argument. wendylaroux Mar 2016 #44
Still got about 50% of the delegates to be awarded Bubzer Mar 2016 #94
Good Renew Deal Mar 2016 #119
Actually it's more of a "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system o tularetom Mar 2016 #112
She beat Obama in the popular vote too. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #78
Do you realize that the Democrats are only 30% of the voters pdsimdars Mar 2016 #80
Yep. I understand Renew Deal Mar 2016 #117
not even close. basselope Mar 2016 #85
I agree Renew Deal Mar 2016 #116
Kinda sad for Hillary at this point basselope Mar 2016 #122
Winning is so sad Renew Deal Mar 2016 #127
Yeah, #winning basselope Mar 2016 #129
Ohh, ooh! Look at the bubbles before they... dchill Mar 2016 #87
2.5 million mostly RED State votes SomeBlueDevil Mar 2016 #96
The red state of Massachusetts, Illinois, and Nevada Renew Deal Mar 2016 #115
And OH and FL. Don't the pundits say these states spooky3 Mar 2016 #130
2.5 million american voters workinclasszero Mar 2016 #128
And yet she leads Bernie by 2.5 million votes. Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #2
Nothing. Most people don't know him very well, even a lot of the ones who already voted! reformist2 Mar 2016 #9
Or maybe people know him, they just prefer Hillary over him. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #11
The more I hear from him, the less I'm impressed ecstatic Mar 2016 #49
This ^^^^^^^^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #114
I'm feel same about Hillary and I supported her over Obama in 08 Autumn Mar 2016 #118
The better question is what's wrong with Hillary NWCorona Mar 2016 #12
exactly superkona Mar 2016 #18
Obama also didn't have the media blackout NWCorona Mar 2016 #24
^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ jillan Mar 2016 #19
+1 vintx Mar 2016 #21
great point grasswire Mar 2016 #25
Yes, a national poll shows Bernie within 5 points of Hillary. He's closing in!!! CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #56
yea,no kidding! wendylaroux Mar 2016 #39
Absolutely Right... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #59
2.5 million more votes = "something wrong"!?!? REALLY!? Only in Unicornia uponit7771 Mar 2016 #72
Yes. Something wrong NWCorona Mar 2016 #74
started on third base. should have tagged home w/o breaking a sweat. nashville_brook Mar 2016 #90
see post 28 wendylaroux Mar 2016 #30
You draw odd conclusions. That was illogical response. snowy owl Mar 2016 #38
Bernie will overtake her once all 50 states are counted. You can book it. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #42
Yeah, in the deep south and Ohio. Whoopee. Broken record, all those votes--Ca has around 8 million Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #52
Oh come on now Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #58
Gee, Ohio went double digit for Hillary, and I after April 27th if Hillary does the same thing she still_one Mar 2016 #102
Hillary can attract Republicans who hate Trump. darkwing Mar 2016 #132
I look forward to the vote count at the end of primary season. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #62
On MSNBC they showed Bernie's rally then had two shills putting him down bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #3
yeah one of those was Jonathan Alter, sadly. grasswire Mar 2016 #6
Josh Barro dogman Mar 2016 #14
thanks very much for the ID. grasswire Mar 2016 #15
He's puzzling. Given his topics, he fits profile of Bernie supporter... snowy owl Mar 2016 #43
Yes-totally! Actually there were four weren't there? snowy owl Mar 2016 #13
Alter is best friend of Franken. dogman Mar 2016 #17
Franken - where's he been. No progressive Franken. snowy owl Mar 2016 #37
Just thinking about having attended his Air America Show. dogman Mar 2016 #40
Studs would be pro-bernie and out there campaigning! snowy owl Mar 2016 #46
No, but I think they would be impressed by Bernie. dogman Mar 2016 #48
Studs would definately be pro-Bernie. panader0 Mar 2016 #89
Sending us emails asking for donations for Hillary. I sent it jwirr Mar 2016 #91
yes, I used to respect Alter. grasswire Mar 2016 #20
Maria Theresa Kumar was very positive about the support Bernie has from the Latino community in Az jillan Mar 2016 #27
I saw the larry setup and knockdown marions ghost Mar 2016 #75
Lawrence O'Donnell? jwirr Mar 2016 #92
yeah marions ghost Mar 2016 #99
I am very glad I have stopped watching MSNBC. jwirr Mar 2016 #103
I've been watching again lately because of the primaries marions ghost Mar 2016 #104
I wish that Direct TV and other providers would put together jwirr Mar 2016 #107
I know I feel the same marions ghost Mar 2016 #110
She's got more votes than Trump so far. Agschmid Mar 2016 #4
won't help her in the GE grasswire Mar 2016 #8
Well to get to the GE one must win the primary... Agschmid Mar 2016 #32
And how imprtant is that when the candidate you choose will lose the GE? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #81
3 candidate race vs 2. Come on, man. Stop playing dumb. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #88
I'm from CA do you know how many millions live there. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #5
people going to huge rallies is spectable/enterntainment.... not enthusiasm KittyWampus Mar 2016 #7
Are you kidding me? Really? truedelphi Mar 2016 #54
It's hard to tell; does this count as Denial, Anger, or Bargaining? nt CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #10
That came out of the mouth of Kasie Hunt, I almost fell over. jillan Mar 2016 #16
People here have been saying that for how long? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #22
Those unenthusiastic voters, who go, by the millions, to the polls, to vote... MADem Mar 2016 #26
won't help her at all grasswire Mar 2016 #34
Yet the Bernie group has only been here a few months. R B Garr Mar 2016 #53
We'll see. I'm not worried. At all. MADem Mar 2016 #61
This is a serious concern jimlup Mar 2016 #29
that brings up a good point grasswire Mar 2016 #36
Super PAC Employees paid with Wall St. $$$$ JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #50
I've been doing GOTV for decades. I've never seen any MineralMan Mar 2016 #64
No thanks. I don't plan to support the presumptive nominee. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #66
OK. Then we'll just have to do GOTV without you. MineralMan Mar 2016 #68
If things change (she shows a willingness to do more than pay lip service to progressive JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #70
GOTV is not just about one office. MineralMan Mar 2016 #71
Oh, that's what you mean -- Sure that is something I would do. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #73
The same people who have done it, election after election, MineralMan Mar 2016 #63
If the Sanders GOTV operation is so great? mythology Mar 2016 #76
Whatever Clinton wants me to do, I'm busy to do it. Berniemagic Mar 2016 #133
I wonder if Hillary knows the unemployment rate in Gaza? snowy owl Mar 2016 #31
that was cool. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #35
Yep, it really was. I am sure, though, that Ms Clinton knows down to the last dollar, truedelphi Mar 2016 #41
sigh. yes, probably. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #51
Funny you say that Depaysement Mar 2016 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author pacalo Mar 2016 #45
The reporter is seeing the enthusiasm daily and knows what's up flamingdem Mar 2016 #47
Do you think that is why she is not campaigning a great deal right now? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #55
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #57
Numbers versus enthusiasm. Interesting argument, but check out military history and ... highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #60
It's also full of the opposite mythology Mar 2016 #84
Haven't we been saying this for months? Fawke Em Mar 2016 #65
Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #67
We knew this in 2008 and TBF Mar 2016 #69
She won't make it to the fall but only if we rid the Sanders campaign of Hillary operatives Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #79
Oh my CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #106
When it gets down to it, I think WheelWalker Mar 2016 #82
who needs enthusiasm when you have "if I lose it'll be all YOUR fault," "I'm not responsible MisterP Mar 2016 #83
don't forget 9/11 grasswire Mar 2016 #113
of course! her reason for the IWR! MisterP Mar 2016 #120
Well then, Bernie's got nothing to be worried about rock Mar 2016 #86
I have to admit, it's hard to get excited about Goldman Sachs. jalan48 Mar 2016 #93
I heard that since Corps are people, at least to the Clinton crowd, she will pick Goldman-Sachs rhett o rick Mar 2016 #97
Corporate media shilling for Bernie nt firebrand80 Mar 2016 #95
Unenthusiastic votes count the same as enthusiastic votes oberliner Mar 2016 #98
kick kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #100
Trump's barely started. All he has to do is start at her record. HE doesn't really have one. sibelian Mar 2016 #101
So what happens to them? Do they get distracted and forget to vote? Tarc Mar 2016 #105
Have you considered that many well off Hillary supporters marions ghost Mar 2016 #108
Oh welll ... if some unnamed reporter said it!!!!!! JoePhilly Mar 2016 #109
Big Kick and Rec! 2banon Mar 2016 #111
K&R for truth! Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #121
I don't see how she can ever get that degree of enthusiasm senz Mar 2016 #123
here's a measure of enthusiasm: delegate count, Clinton: 1,630; Sanders: 870 Bill USA Mar 2016 #124
how many states does that represent? grasswire Mar 2016 #125
Hillary voters SHOW UP and VOTE. She has more votes on record now than either Bernie or Trump. Hekate Mar 2016 #131
Painfully aware of this. How to avoid this happening is the hard part. Karma13612 Mar 2016 #134
Nah.... seabeyond Mar 2016 #135
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #136
This worries me too Equinox Moon Mar 2016 #137
Hey, hi. Where have you been? uppityperson Mar 2016 #139
Hi, back at ya Equinox Moon Mar 2016 #142
I haven't noticed you around, was worried something had happened to you. uppityperson Mar 2016 #143
With the name recognition Secretary Clinton enjoys, Babel_17 Mar 2016 #138
That's been said from day one newfie11 Mar 2016 #140
Well if "NBC reporter" said it it MUST be true. johnp3907 Mar 2016 #141

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
23. So you're saying it's not name recognition but informed voters for Hillary?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

and you really believe most Americans are informed voters?

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
44. no,I'm going with the wait awhile and see who has more votes argument.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:00 AM
Mar 2016

you will see.it will be amazing.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
94. Still got about 50% of the delegates to be awarded
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:11 PM
Mar 2016

She only has about a quarter of the delegates won...and the coming states or not in her favor like most of the previous ones were. It's still a race.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
112. Actually it's more of a "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system o
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:02 PM
Mar 2016

of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony" argument.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
80. Do you realize that the Democrats are only 30% of the voters
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

And all the others get to vote in the GE?

It makes a difference when Hillary does very poorly among the other 70% and Bernie does Great!

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
122. Kinda sad for Hillary at this point
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:03 PM
Mar 2016

Given that it went through all her strongest states and she only managed to get 8.6MM votes, despite spending over 110MM

SomeBlueDevil

(2 posts)
96. 2.5 million mostly RED State votes
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

2.5 million votes, most of which won't matter come November because the respective states they were cast in are RED and lost to the GOP anyway.

spooky3

(34,402 posts)
130. And OH and FL. Don't the pundits say these states
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:54 PM
Mar 2016

Determine the outcomes of close elections?

She also won VA, which is increasingly purple as the metro areas outpace the growth of rural areas.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
12. The better question is what's wrong with Hillary
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:44 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie's started from zero and Hillary has the whole system behind her. It should even be a contest.

superkona

(21 posts)
18. exactly
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:47 PM
Mar 2016

people forget obama entered the race at 20% in national polls. bernie has closed the gap in half the time, rising from 2-4%. people are still voting name/brand recognition. the more they see and hear bernie, the better he does. hillary... not so much.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
25. great point
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:49 PM
Mar 2016

apparently there are some excellent polls for Bernie tonight that they kept referencing. I haven't seen those polls.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
56. Yes, a national poll shows Bernie within 5 points of Hillary. He's closing in!!!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:30 AM
Mar 2016

That poll shows the best he's ever done in a national poll up against Hillary.

His message is resonating. He's only 5 points behind her.

Truly amazing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-in-national-cbsnyt-poll/

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
39. yea,no kidding!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

imagine if Bernie would have had all the support hillry has/had? would not have been good for her.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
59. Absolutely Right...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:37 AM
Mar 2016

What's wrong is front and center of everyone's face. too bad the face of corporatism can't seem to focus on what's clearly in front of them.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
38. You draw odd conclusions. That was illogical response.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

But then, voting for Hillary - the status quo - is illogical.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
52. Yeah, in the deep south and Ohio. Whoopee. Broken record, all those votes--Ca has around 8 million
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

registered Democrats? The winds are shifting and your 2.5 will vanish. Know why? Because Hillary started out at her peak. 90% to 3-4% for Bernie. She can't GROW her base. Practically every point she has lost has been to Bernie's gain and it is still in flux. She can't manipulate the indies and millennials. She has NOWHERE to go and cannot attract new voters.




still_one

(92,060 posts)
102. Gee, Ohio went double digit for Hillary, and I after April 27th if Hillary does the same thing she
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:24 PM
Mar 2016

has done in March, what excuse will they come up with then.

I guess the millions of people who voted for Hillary mean nothing to them

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
62. I look forward to the vote count at the end of primary season.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:21 AM
Mar 2016

Don't you?

If only every sporting event ended at half-time....but that isn't how it is done.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
6. yeah one of those was Jonathan Alter, sadly.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:40 PM
Mar 2016

I didn't get the name of the other guy, but he was flat out lying about Bernie's positions.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
43. He's puzzling. Given his topics, he fits profile of Bernie supporter...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

it must be the money or Comcast/MSNBC muzzles them. Bernie interviewed by Cooper and I thought good interview.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
13. Yes-totally! Actually there were four weren't there?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:44 PM
Mar 2016

Smiling Lawrence giving Bernie lots of time and even some kind remarks then sets it up so that it can all be punched back. I used to really like Jonathan Alter but never again. So sick of them. Everything thing they do has a sick ulterior motive.

Another shot at negative ads before the west votes. So cute and fancy. They are disgusting

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
37. Franken - where's he been. No progressive Franken.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:54 PM
Mar 2016

They get there and make best friends of the establishment and we lose them.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
40. Just thinking about having attended his Air America Show.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

Studs Terkel was a guest. I was just thinking what their conversation would be now. It seems he felt it necessary to be a well established man about town and lose his comedic self.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
46. Studs would be pro-bernie and out there campaigning!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:02 AM
Mar 2016

I miss Terkel and Zinn. Has anybody replaced them?

dogman

(6,073 posts)
48. No, but I think they would be impressed by Bernie.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:13 AM
Mar 2016

I'm impressed by the people actually making something happen. It seems like the Occupy movement may be finding it's political legs.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
91. Sending us emails asking for donations for Hillary. I sent it
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:07 PM
Mar 2016

back to him with a note saying that I wanted to know what he was doing but I was not interested in any news about Hillary.

If he is really supporting Hillary I want to know what happened to the author of the Lairs book. That is they guy I voted for.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
20. yes, I used to respect Alter.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

I will never forget how he walked on the NBC set on the night of the 2000 election when Bush-Gore was spinning out of control. He just walked on. And he made some sense of things.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
27. Maria Theresa Kumar was very positive about the support Bernie has from the Latino community in Az
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:50 PM
Mar 2016

I was so happy to hear someone finally bring that up.

That and the Native American Community - he has that vote locked up in Az.

But it is a closed primary so if he even comes close, that will be fantastic.
I cannot wait to vote for him tomorrow

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
75. I saw the larry setup and knockdown
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

...threw Bernie under the bus. Grossly unfair.

No more Larry for me.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
104. I've been watching again lately because of the primaries
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:47 PM
Mar 2016

Otherwise I depend on the internet.

MSNBC Disappointing. But what really can we expect from big media.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
107. I wish that Direct TV and other providers would put together
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:53 PM
Mar 2016

a package that would include the left leaning channels that would allow us to watch those channels that we see here on DU and JPR.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
110. I know I feel the same
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:56 PM
Mar 2016

--whoever does that would be pioneering but it would be successful.

I hate screaming TV.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
8. won't help her in the GE
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:42 PM
Mar 2016

...if she can't inspire independents and Bernie supporters to turn out for her.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
7. people going to huge rallies is spectable/enterntainment.... not enthusiasm
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

Furthermore, I am voting for a candidate not picking a spouse.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
16. That came out of the mouth of Kasie Hunt, I almost fell over.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

She has not been able to hide that she is not happy covering Bernie. Wow!

Did you hear Maria Theresa Kumar about the support Bernie has in Az from the Latino community? That was great too.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. Those unenthusiastic voters, who go, by the millions, to the polls, to vote...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:49 PM
Mar 2016

Ho hum.

There's a reason she's winning. Her "unenthusiastic voters" do something that Sanders enthusiastic ones aren't doing--they go to the polls and they VOTE.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
34. won't help her at all
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

She can't inspire independents, and she dare not count on Bernie supporters.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
53. Yet the Bernie group has only been here a few months.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

Why wasn't one started sooner? Where was the bandwagon hanging out before Bernie?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
61. We'll see. I'm not worried. At all.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:48 AM
Mar 2016

There will be a period of whining and adjustment, a period of hurt feelings and anger, and then there will be resignation and acceptance, made easier by the vanquished candidate himself endorsing his opponent and asking his supporters to join in and help her.

And, if he wants to be Secretary of Labor, we'll know by how much campaigning he does after he concedes.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
36. that brings up a good point
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:54 PM
Mar 2016

Who will do the GOTV for her? Who will do all the grunt work that needs doing for the GE?

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
64. I've been doing GOTV for decades. I've never seen any
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:44 AM
Mar 2016

paid GOTV workers out there. It's not something paid people can do, really. GOTV is a one-on-one effort. Would you like to help? Just let me know where you are and I'll direct you to somewhere you can volunteer to work on GOTV for the November election.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
66. No thanks. I don't plan to support the presumptive nominee.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:59 AM
Mar 2016

She may call herself a progressive but I know her record.

She may get my vote, if she earns it.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
70. If things change (she shows a willingness to do more than pay lip service to progressive
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:43 PM
Mar 2016

values), then I will support her, and you'll be the first one I contact about GOTV. I have no hard feelings, I just do not feel she represents what I believe at all.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
71. GOTV is not just about one office.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:47 PM
Mar 2016

It never has been. It's about getting Democrats to the polls to vote on the entire ballot. That's why we do it. It's important, for far more reasons than electing a President.

Legislative offices, in many ways, are far more important than what person is in the White House. That's why effective GOTV is so important in mid-term elections. I wish people understood that better.

The power of any President is inflated in many people's minds. Too bad. We suffer because of that.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
73. Oh, that's what you mean -- Sure that is something I would do.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

Probably not in my district (my congresswoman, Rep. Chu, is useless and one of the most ineffective members of congress precisely because she is never going to lose an election). But Nevada looks like a battleground I could help out with.

I'll see how much time I have and probably give a few weekends.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
63. The same people who have done it, election after election,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:42 AM
Mar 2016

for years. I'll be one of them, just as I have been in every election since 1968. GOTV is what I do. Granted, I'm only one person, and I work only in my own Precinct in St. Paul, MN, but there are people like me everywhere.

Frankly, I would work just as hard for either candidate who became the nominee. For me, it is not about individual candidates. It is about getting Democrats elected to as many offices as possible.

That's who will be doing the GOTV work. People who believe that we need to elect Democrats. Its a party thing, really.

Some years, we get additional people who are supporting a particular candidate to help. Other years, not so much. But the GOTV activism continues.

I encourage you to join the effort. There are more races on the ballot than the presidency. They all need high voter turnout. I recommend GOTV activism for everyone who cares about the outcome.

Thanks for the opportunity to spread the word.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
76. If the Sanders GOTV operation is so great?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:06 PM
Mar 2016

Why isn't it working in the primary? You're making arguments that Clinton's operation isn't good enough, but it's beating Sanders, which would logically suggest that the Sanders operation is worse.

 

Berniemagic

(21 posts)
133. Whatever Clinton wants me to do, I'm busy to do it.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:12 PM
Mar 2016

Washing my hair.
Shaping my toenails.
Adjusting my collection of used shavers.
Rearranging my clothes in my armoire
Binge-watch some good shows on Netflix
Looking at cat videos
Looking at dog videos
Looking at goldfish videos
Looking at worm videos
Looking at amoeba videos

Only so much to do, so little time to do it.

All I got time is to throw in my ballot in the mail, and I'm done. Then I go back to the above.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
31. I wonder if Hillary knows the unemployment rate in Gaza?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:51 PM
Mar 2016

Anybody that says Bernie doesn't know foreign policy doesn't ever listen to him - ever.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
41. Yep, it really was. I am sure, though, that Ms Clinton knows down to the last dollar,
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

how much money her policies on Gaza have made for her and her family.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
126. Funny you say that
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:24 PM
Mar 2016

A close friend is an expert on ME policy and he called Bernie's speech on the ME the best speech any Presidential candidate has ever given. He's right.

Response to grasswire (Original post)

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
47. The reporter is seeing the enthusiasm daily and knows what's up
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:07 AM
Mar 2016

She should be taken very seriously as an objective source on this.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
55. Do you think that is why she is not campaigning a great deal right now?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

Is she afraid of the optics of her anemic crowds?

I know she's had to stop most activities, to do fundraisers. That's essential when she's running the kind of campaign she is--heavily reliant on corporate donations from millionaires.

It will be interesting to see what she does in the coming days.

Response to grasswire (Original post)

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
60. Numbers versus enthusiasm. Interesting argument, but check out military history and ...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:40 AM
Mar 2016

you will find some colossal defeats that the "NUMBERS" would never have predicted.

TBF

(32,001 posts)
69. We knew this in 2008 and
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:40 PM
Mar 2016

Chose Obama instead. Nothing has changed except that she has additionally gotten in some hot water for her email activity. She wasn't our best candidate then and she's not our best candidate now.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
79. She won't make it to the fall but only if we rid the Sanders campaign of Hillary operatives
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

who are sabotaging Bernie's ground game, state by state.

WheelWalker

(8,954 posts)
82. When it gets down to it, I think
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:15 PM
Mar 2016

many groups dissed by Trump will be willing to crawl over broken glass to vote to deny him the presidency, whomever the alternative might eventually be. Where an enthusiasm gap exists it will be overwhelmed by the demographics Trump has put in play against himself.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
83. who needs enthusiasm when you have "if I lose it'll be all YOUR fault," "I'm not responsible
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:25 PM
Mar 2016

for any of my problems," and of course "who else ya gonna vote for?"

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
97. I heard that since Corps are people, at least to the Clinton crowd, she will pick Goldman-Sachs
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

the corporation as her VP.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
98. Unenthusiastic votes count the same as enthusiastic votes
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

In Ohio there seemed to be a lot more enthusiasm at Bernie's events than at Hillary's but the result was Hillary Clinton winning by a sizable margin.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
101. Trump's barely started. All he has to do is start at her record. HE doesn't really have one.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:22 PM
Mar 2016

He's only weak according to media types. He's new and sparkly and his supporters don't give a shit whether or not the TV thinks they're funny.

It's going to be a problem.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
105. So what happens to them? Do they get distracted and forget to vote?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016


Seriously, this "enthusiasm gap" should correlate into more votes, if it actually exists, shouldn't it?

Have you considered other possibilities, e.g. that more Hillary supporters have 9-5 jobs (and 2nd & graveyard shifts as well) and don't have time to wave signs at a rally?

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
108. Have you considered that many well off Hillary supporters
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016

do NOT have 9-5 jobs? The number may be larger than you think.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
123. I don't see how she can ever get that degree of enthusiasm
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:08 PM
Mar 2016

no matter how many ways she tries to remake herself.

They might be able to force her in on technicalities and underhanded operations, but it will be Nixon redux if they do.

Not that that matters to them.

Hekate

(90,538 posts)
131. Hillary voters SHOW UP and VOTE. She has more votes on record now than either Bernie or Trump.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

She's earned every one of those votes with a lifetime's hard work. How's that for enthusiasm?

Karma13612

(4,541 posts)
134. Painfully aware of this. How to avoid this happening is the hard part.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

There are so many obstacles to go.

I am going all the way to the convention (figuratively speaking of course) with Bernie.

Response to grasswire (Original post)

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
138. With the name recognition Secretary Clinton enjoys,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:11 PM
Mar 2016

and the support of the party establishment, and DWS, the friendly landscape of the early states, her advantage in the early debates of getting the most time, yes; many observers aren't all that impressed by the enthusiasm the Clinton campaign has generated.

On the positive side, many of her people aren't inept. Nice call going on Broad City. Just the audience that needs to see her in a positive light.

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