2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNBC reporter embedded in Sanders campaign just now said:
"If Hillary can't engender the kind of enthusiasm in Democrats that Bernie is stirring in his campaigns, she is going to be in trouble in the fall."
The enthusiasm gap Hillary holds will lose the election to Trump.
Renew Deal
(81,844 posts)It's not online polls, but still pretty good.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)and you really believe most Americans are informed voters?
brooklynite
(94,312 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Renew Deal
(81,844 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)you will see.it will be amazing.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)She only has about a quarter of the delegates won...and the coming states or not in her favor like most of the previous ones were. It's still a race.
Get back to me when Bernie passes her.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony" argument.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)And all the others get to vote in the GE?
It makes a difference when Hillary does very poorly among the other 70% and Bernie does Great!
Renew Deal
(81,844 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Renew Deal
(81,844 posts)Hillary: 8,682,604
Bernie: 6,157,757
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D
basselope
(2,565 posts)Given that it went through all her strongest states and she only managed to get 8.6MM votes, despite spending over 110MM
Renew Deal
(81,844 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)dchill
(38,433 posts)Aw, damn!
SomeBlueDevil
(2 posts)2.5 million votes, most of which won't matter come November because the respective states they were cast in are RED and lost to the GOP anyway.
Renew Deal
(81,844 posts)Somebody tell Elizabeth Warren.
Don't worry. NY is voting soon.
spooky3
(34,402 posts)Determine the outcomes of close elections?
She also won VA, which is increasingly purple as the metro areas outpace the growth of rural areas.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)disagree.
To bad bernie isnt as popular as Hillary.
It is what it is.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)So that begs the question....what's wrong with Bernie?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)ecstatic
(32,641 posts)Be careful what you wish for.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,711 posts)Autumn
(44,973 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Bernie's started from zero and Hillary has the whole system behind her. It should even be a contest.
people forget obama entered the race at 20% in national polls. bernie has closed the gap in half the time, rising from 2-4%. people are still voting name/brand recognition. the more they see and hear bernie, the better he does. hillary... not so much.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Bernie has done very well considering.
jillan
(39,451 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)apparently there are some excellent polls for Bernie tonight that they kept referencing. I haven't seen those polls.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)That poll shows the best he's ever done in a national poll up against Hillary.
His message is resonating. He's only 5 points behind her.
Truly amazing.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-in-national-cbsnyt-poll/
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)imagine if Bernie would have had all the support hillry has/had? would not have been good for her.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)What's wrong is front and center of everyone's face. too bad the face of corporatism can't seem to focus on what's clearly in front of them.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)But then, voting for Hillary - the status quo - is illogical.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)registered Democrats? The winds are shifting and your 2.5 will vanish. Know why? Because Hillary started out at her peak. 90% to 3-4% for Bernie. She can't GROW her base. Practically every point she has lost has been to Bernie's gain and it is still in flux. She can't manipulate the indies and millennials. She has NOWHERE to go and cannot attract new voters.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,711 posts)Don't hold back. Say what you really mean. THE CONFEDERACY!!!!!!!!
still_one
(92,060 posts)has done in March, what excuse will they come up with then.
I guess the millions of people who voted for Hillary mean nothing to them
darkwing
(33 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Don't you?
If only every sporting event ended at half-time....but that isn't how it is done.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)I didn't get the name of the other guy, but he was flat out lying about Bernie's positions.
dogman
(6,073 posts)Chris Hayes' neoliberal Republican friend.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Really.
That guy was a putz.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)it must be the money or Comcast/MSNBC muzzles them. Bernie interviewed by Cooper and I thought good interview.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Smiling Lawrence giving Bernie lots of time and even some kind remarks then sets it up so that it can all be punched back. I used to really like Jonathan Alter but never again. So sick of them. Everything thing they do has a sick ulterior motive.
Another shot at negative ads before the west votes. So cute and fancy. They are disgusting
dogman
(6,073 posts)I'm sure they resent Minnesota.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)They get there and make best friends of the establishment and we lose them.
dogman
(6,073 posts)Studs Terkel was a guest. I was just thinking what their conversation would be now. It seems he felt it necessary to be a well established man about town and lose his comedic self.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I miss Terkel and Zinn. Has anybody replaced them?
dogman
(6,073 posts)I'm impressed by the people actually making something happen. It seems like the Occupy movement may be finding it's political legs.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I read 'Working'.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)back to him with a note saying that I wanted to know what he was doing but I was not interested in any news about Hillary.
If he is really supporting Hillary I want to know what happened to the author of the Lairs book. That is they guy I voted for.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I will never forget how he walked on the NBC set on the night of the 2000 election when Bush-Gore was spinning out of control. He just walked on. And he made some sense of things.
jillan
(39,451 posts)I was so happy to hear someone finally bring that up.
That and the Native American Community - he has that vote locked up in Az.
But it is a closed primary so if he even comes close, that will be fantastic.
I cannot wait to vote for him tomorrow
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)...threw Bernie under the bus. Grossly unfair.
No more Larry for me.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)cleverly done Bernie trashing.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Otherwise I depend on the internet.
MSNBC Disappointing. But what really can we expect from big media.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)a package that would include the left leaning channels that would allow us to watch those channels that we see here on DU and JPR.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--whoever does that would be pioneering but it would be successful.
I hate screaming TV.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)...if she can't inspire independents and Bernie supporters to turn out for her.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Furthermore, I am voting for a candidate not picking a spouse.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)In an effort to diss all things Bernie, some folks have gotten so lame.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)She has not been able to hide that she is not happy covering Bernie. Wow!
Did you hear Maria Theresa Kumar about the support Bernie has in Az from the Latino community? That was great too.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Ho hum.
There's a reason she's winning. Her "unenthusiastic voters" do something that Sanders enthusiastic ones aren't doing--they go to the polls and they VOTE.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)She can't inspire independents, and she dare not count on Bernie supporters.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Why wasn't one started sooner? Where was the bandwagon hanging out before Bernie?
MADem
(135,425 posts)There will be a period of whining and adjustment, a period of hurt feelings and anger, and then there will be resignation and acceptance, made easier by the vanquished candidate himself endorsing his opponent and asking his supporters to join in and help her.
And, if he wants to be Secretary of Labor, we'll know by how much campaigning he does after he concedes.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I will vote for Hillary but my enthusiasm will be that of a dead fish...
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Who will do the GOTV for her? Who will do all the grunt work that needs doing for the GE?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)paid GOTV workers out there. It's not something paid people can do, really. GOTV is a one-on-one effort. Would you like to help? Just let me know where you are and I'll direct you to somewhere you can volunteer to work on GOTV for the November election.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)She may call herself a progressive but I know her record.
She may get my vote, if she earns it.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Too bad, really.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)values), then I will support her, and you'll be the first one I contact about GOTV. I have no hard feelings, I just do not feel she represents what I believe at all.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)It never has been. It's about getting Democrats to the polls to vote on the entire ballot. That's why we do it. It's important, for far more reasons than electing a President.
Legislative offices, in many ways, are far more important than what person is in the White House. That's why effective GOTV is so important in mid-term elections. I wish people understood that better.
The power of any President is inflated in many people's minds. Too bad. We suffer because of that.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Probably not in my district (my congresswoman, Rep. Chu, is useless and one of the most ineffective members of congress precisely because she is never going to lose an election). But Nevada looks like a battleground I could help out with.
I'll see how much time I have and probably give a few weekends.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)for years. I'll be one of them, just as I have been in every election since 1968. GOTV is what I do. Granted, I'm only one person, and I work only in my own Precinct in St. Paul, MN, but there are people like me everywhere.
Frankly, I would work just as hard for either candidate who became the nominee. For me, it is not about individual candidates. It is about getting Democrats elected to as many offices as possible.
That's who will be doing the GOTV work. People who believe that we need to elect Democrats. Its a party thing, really.
Some years, we get additional people who are supporting a particular candidate to help. Other years, not so much. But the GOTV activism continues.
I encourage you to join the effort. There are more races on the ballot than the presidency. They all need high voter turnout. I recommend GOTV activism for everyone who cares about the outcome.
Thanks for the opportunity to spread the word.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Why isn't it working in the primary? You're making arguments that Clinton's operation isn't good enough, but it's beating Sanders, which would logically suggest that the Sanders operation is worse.
Berniemagic
(21 posts)Washing my hair.
Shaping my toenails.
Adjusting my collection of used shavers.
Rearranging my clothes in my armoire
Binge-watch some good shows on Netflix
Looking at cat videos
Looking at dog videos
Looking at goldfish videos
Looking at worm videos
Looking at amoeba videos
Only so much to do, so little time to do it.
All I got time is to throw in my ballot in the mail, and I'm done. Then I go back to the above.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Anybody that says Bernie doesn't know foreign policy doesn't ever listen to him - ever.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)how much money her policies on Gaza have made for her and her family.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)A close friend is an expert on ME policy and he called Bernie's speech on the ME the best speech any Presidential candidate has ever given. He's right.
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flamingdem
(39,308 posts)She should be taken very seriously as an objective source on this.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Is she afraid of the optics of her anemic crowds?
I know she's had to stop most activities, to do fundraisers. That's essential when she's running the kind of campaign she is--heavily reliant on corporate donations from millionaires.
It will be interesting to see what she does in the coming days.
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highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)you will find some colossal defeats that the "NUMBERS" would never have predicted.
mythology
(9,527 posts)It's just less newsworthy.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Nice that the reporter finally realized that.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)TBF
(32,001 posts)Chose Obama instead. Nothing has changed except that she has additionally gotten in some hot water for her email activity. She wasn't our best candidate then and she's not our best candidate now.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)who are sabotaging Bernie's ground game, state by state.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)I've officially heard it all!
WheelWalker
(8,954 posts)many groups dissed by Trump will be willing to crawl over broken glass to vote to deny him the presidency, whomever the alternative might eventually be. Where an enthusiasm gap exists it will be overwhelmed by the demographics Trump has put in play against himself.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)for any of my problems," and of course "who else ya gonna vote for?"
grasswire
(50,130 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)jalan48
(13,840 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the corporation as her VP.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)In Ohio there seemed to be a lot more enthusiasm at Bernie's events than at Hillary's but the result was Hillary Clinton winning by a sizable margin.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)He's only weak according to media types. He's new and sparkly and his supporters don't give a shit whether or not the TV thinks they're funny.
It's going to be a problem.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)Seriously, this "enthusiasm gap" should correlate into more votes, if it actually exists, shouldn't it?
Have you considered other possibilities, e.g. that more Hillary supporters have 9-5 jobs (and 2nd & graveyard shifts as well) and don't have time to wave signs at a rally?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)do NOT have 9-5 jobs? The number may be larger than you think.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)no matter how many ways she tries to remake herself.
They might be able to force her in on technicalities and underhanded operations, but it will be Nixon redux if they do.
Not that that matters to them.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)without superdelegates: Clinton: 1,163, Sanders: 844.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Hmmm?
Hekate
(90,538 posts)She's earned every one of those votes with a lifetime's hard work. How's that for enthusiasm?
Karma13612
(4,541 posts)There are so many obstacles to go.
I am going all the way to the convention (figuratively speaking of course) with Bernie.
seabeyond
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Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)What do you mean? Where have I been?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)and the support of the party establishment, and DWS, the friendly landscape of the early states, her advantage in the early debates of getting the most time, yes; many observers aren't all that impressed by the enthusiasm the Clinton campaign has generated.
On the positive side, many of her people aren't inept. Nice call going on Broad City. Just the audience that needs to see her in a positive light.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)She will never beat Drumpf.