Wow. Hillary lost Idaho by 57 points and Utah by 60.

[morningfog]

Those are incredibly huge margins for a front runner to lose by, especially this late in the race.

Hillary supporters, who have long touted the race as over, should be asking why she was utterly rejected in yesterday's contests. And what she can do moving forward to correct course.

[hereforthevoting]

1. But Arizona! Where there is not and will never be fraud!

[Jitter65]

65. Hillary won AZ with early votes alone. nt

[Fla Dem]

90. Bernie voters could have early voted and voted by mail.

Perhaps if the BS team had spent more time educating their supporters on the voting procedures they wouldn't have been caught flat footed. Who's to say there weren't HRC voters in those long lines as well. In fact there were probably more HRC voters in line than BS voters seeing tha HRC won by over 70,000 votes. So unless there were over 70,000 BS voters in those lines, the compliant is a whine and nothing more.

[sufrommich]

2. Lol.nt

[morningfog]

3. I guarantee you Hillary's campaign strategists are not lol'ing

About these huge losses.

[sufrommich]

9. The Hillary campaign spent zero dollars in those states.

They were expecting those losses and spent their money where it mattered.

[morningfog]

18. So she only cares about voters of some states?

Utah could be in play.

I hope to hell she doesn't run the GE race like this.

[hack89]

21. She cares about delegates

Her strategy was big wins in big states. That is why she is winning.

[morningfog]

26. I get that and it is working.

Doesn't it make sense to pivot and adjust her campaign to reach more voters in more states, looking ahead to the general?

There is also value to her if she doesn't allow these landslides against her. The sooner Bernie is out the sooner she can turn to the GE.

[hack89]

33. So Bernie won't stay in to the convention?

He will drop out if there is no clear path to the nomination?

Perhaps Hillary is taking him at his word.

[morningfog]

37. That doesn't follow.

If he wasn't wining at all or only picked off a couple by small margins, he would no longer be viable.

When he wins by these margins, he has an angle to continue and elicit funding support.

[hack89]

64. He had a very small net delegate gain

I have no problem with him raising money but it doesn't change the fact that Hillary has an insurmountable lead.

[INdemo]

32. She is not in the GE next...

If she is,Trump wins.

[rjsquirrel]

42. Utah could be in play lol

Reddest stage in the union, tiny electoral
College delegation, land of religious zealots.

Clinton has this thing. I'm not surprised she didn't give a fuck about Utah. How desperate does a
Dem campaign have to be to tout Utah results?

[morningfog]

45. Did you not see this?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865650513/Poll-Utah-would-vote-for-a-Democrat-for-president-over-Trump.html?pg=all

[rjsquirrel]

47. Yeah and I laughed

If any dem wins Utah the election is over way before the polls close. Mormons hate Trump (smart Mormons). They also don't like Hillary (or strong women secularists in general).

And they don't give a shit about Bernie. As with many onnthe left he is simply a convenient protest vote. Cuz people are mad bro.

There is zero reason to factor Utah in to any rational electoral college strategy in the general. If either dem won it we would be talking about a landslide of historic proportions.

I think it more likely that Clinton puts Georgia in play. And that is a load of EC votes.

Dream on Bernistas, dream on. If only we lived on a planet made of cotton candy then cows could dance.

[redstateblues]

53. Most Utahans takes great pride in being the MOST conservative state

Mormons do hate Trump so who knows. Georgia is trending less red every cycle.

[rjsquirrel]

57. In the general

Utah will vote GOP. It's a GOP machine state just like NY is a dem machine state. A few thousand liberals in SLC and St George won't make a difference. This is fantasy politics, by people who never paid attention before Bernie promised them utopia.

[Sunlei]

88. Mormons will go for Cruz, they would have Jebbie if he didn't cry & quit.

Trumps not a man any Mormon would take home to meet the family.

[BillZBubb]

77. Wow the hypocrisy. Hillary won all the confederate, red states and her fanatics always tout that

Not one of those states will give her electoral votes in the fall. Yet, the Hillary fanatics gleefully boast of her big wins there.

You guys need to get your propaganda points straight.

[KittyWampus]

82. Revisionist history… not one Hillary Supporter even SAID the term

"Confederate States" and the fact you use it says volumes about where you are coming from.

Furthermore, no Clinton supporters "TOUTED that not one of those states will give her electoral votes in the fall".

Why would a Clinton supporter even begin to TOUT that?

LOLZ.

YOU guys need to read what you're posting before hitting the "Post my reply" button.

[BillZBubb]

84. You need to practice what you preach and don't lie. Reading comprehension isn't a skill of yours.

I never said Hillary supporters talked about confederate states. I said that. They are red states.

What I said:
"Not one of those states will give her electoral votes in the fall. Yet, the Hillary fanatics gleefully boast of her big wins there."

Hillary fanatics did boast of her big primary wins there. They still do.

You claimed I said (in quotation marks no less):
"TOUTED that not one of those states will give her electoral votes in the fall".

I never made that statement. Of course they wouldn't admit that.

You flat out lied.

[KittyWampus]

91. First, don't call me a liar. Second here is what YOU wrote verbatim:

"Hillary won all the confederate, red states and her fanatics always tout that

Not one of those states will give her electoral votes in the fall. Yet, the Hillary fanatics gleefully boast of her big wins there.

You guys need to get your propaganda points straight."

Oh, so that was two sentences. I misread due to your writing skills ie, ending a sentence in "that"

Okay… the fact still remains...

You ARE using the term CONFEDERATE STATES. Nice dog whistle you have there.

Furthermore, Hillary supporters are not 'fanatics'. We are not the ones who first decide superdelegates are anti-democratic and then switch to supporting their existence in the desperate hope they'll switch to Sanders.

[BillZBubb]

92. You lied and I called you on it. That is a fact.

You put in quotation marks a statement I never made. That was a lie and you know it.

[KittyWampus]

93. You certainly did say "Confederate States" and you called Hillary Clinton supporters

"Fanatics".

LOLZ.

And you ended your sentence with "that" so I apologize for not comprehending your poorly worded post.

Whatever.

Using the term Confederate States in the context you are using it demonstrates where you are coming from.

It's like sticking a label on your virtual forehead.

Wear it proudly.

[BillZBubb]

96. You continue to avoid admitting your lie! Did you put in quotations a statement I never made?

Do you want to deny that and redouble your lie?

[IdaBriggs]

30. So, wherever she is not ADVERTISING, people who KNOW HER VOTE BERNIE.

Think that through. She is not an unknown candidate - she has insane name recognition.

And the upstart candidate who only the Vermont people paid attention to is wiping the floor with her.

[Segami]

14. Let Bernie string together a row of 'lol' wins in the next while

and sit back and wait to see what kind of remarks that will be popping up on these boards........oh, I almost forgot...lol!

[vdogg]

55. I guarantee they are not concerned about Idaho and Utah.

Two nearly totally white states that are tailor made for Bernie and have a paltry amount of delegates. It's gonna take a lot more than this to overcome a 300 delegate lead, but I think you know that...

[speaktruthtopower]

4. There is a massive disconnect between parts of the country, isn't there?

[morningfog]

8. It really is stunning the respective margins in various states.

A handful are close, but so many blow outs, often region specific.

The party needs to understand and plan for this. And it makes no sense for Hillary and her supporters to ignore and dismiss it as nothing simply because she is leading. You would think they would be a little more curious and a little more honest in trying to understand the results.

[reformist2]

12. And there's a huge discrepancy between "primary" states and "caucus" states, which is worrisome.

They talk about the so-called enthusiasm gap explaining the difference, but I'm not sure I buy that anymore.

[stillwaiting]

24. Massive difference between states where people count votes and machines count votes.

It's time for us to organize and do what clearly needs to be done.

[Agschmid]

5. She got destroyed in those states.

[jcgoldie]

6. And yet...

She still won over 20,000 more votes than Bernie yesterday and he barely touched her massive delegate lead. Oh yeah and I'm still waiting for some Sanders supporter to point out that democrats will never win those 2 states in November...

[morningfog]

15. Yes. She is still the formidable front runner.

As for popular votes, the caucuses don't record those, so the point is an aside and contest specific.

As for your last point, recent polls have shown Utah is in play if trump is the nominee.

Aren't you the least bit curious as to why she was destroyed in these recent contests? It should be a cake walk of wins for her at this point.

[jcgoldie]

20. Moving the goalposts

So the new Sanders goal is to avoid "a cakewalk of wins"? Bernie is a good candidate, those states had favorable demographics for him and the right kind of primaries... why would you expect a cakewalk over the guy you support? Oh and they do record popular votes in Idaho and Utah...

Arizona: HRC +73 k
Idaho: SBS +14 k
Utah: SBS: +39 k

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[morningfog]

23. Shove you insinuations of my motives. I am asking questions

as a democratic voter looking ahead. These are honest questions that should be asked.

[jcgoldie]

28. yeah right!

No ulterior motives for focusing on favorable results for your candidate in 2 very white caucus states where the outcome was predictable and ignoring the much larger and more diverse state that turned out quite a bit worse for your guy than anyone expected or than he can afford at this point... just honest questions here.... righhhht... maybe its you who should "shove" that bullshit as you so politely put it.

[morningfog]

31. Why don't you step up and saying what you are pussy footing around.

You don't know me. And you are projecting bullshit.

[jcgoldie]

35. Don't need to know you

...to recognize bullshit.

[Bluenorthwest]

67. What rude, nasty baiting you are doing here. We've been seeing lately that many who have that

style are not at all what they claim to be, in fact they are what they claim everyone else is.

[jcgoldie]

85. I'm not the one that started being nasty

I called him on the inconsistencies in the OP and he told me to shove it. I responded in kind. Shrug.

[Herman4747]

61. You're comparing caucus states to a primary state...

...not all voters are in a position to spend the extra time to caucus, so the comparison is meaningless.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Same as in 2008

Except she didn't have a 300-plus lead in pledged delegates at the time.

[reddread]

10. you would think they were taking a shovel to a rattlesnake

not that I approve of that.

[Codeine]

11. She's leading by over 300 delegates with NY still to come.

She really doesn't need to "correct" anything -- she has it well and truly in hand.

Seriously, less than 24,000 Democrats caucused in the entire state of Idaho -- that's attendance at a Los Angeles Galaxy game. A relative handful of all-white voters in a couple podunk states rejected her; she'll survive.

[morningfog]

16. Yes, I readily acknowledge her huge lead. Again.

A front runner should be a little more interested in the voters instead of coasting at this point.

[INdemo]

38. Maybe... but Bernie will win California !!

[JaneyVee]

13. She didnt campaign or spend money there.

I think she sent Michelle Kwan to Utah. Bernie spent about 3x as much also.

[morningfog]

17. She should have in Utah. It could be in play of trump is nominee.

[redstateblues]

52. Good point. The Mormons, to their credit, hate Trump

[Bluenorthwest]

70. And yet your prediction yesterday was that she would win all three States, reality is she lost two

in a massive, massive way.
JaneyVee "2. Hillary wins all 3"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511508311

So yesterday you were not saying 'who cares, she wrote those meaningless voters off long ago' you were saying she'd win. Saying incorrectly that she'd win.

[DanTex]

19. LOL. I seem to remember another state that voted yesterday....

[oberliner]

22. Bernie seems to do very well in the states that are 90+ percent white

In states that are more diverse, the results seem to shift towards Hillary, sometimes dramatically so.

[BillZBubb]

79. And?

[oberliner]

81. And so his success in Utah and Idaho was not surprising

I think he will need to have several strong wins in more diverse states if he wants to win the nomination.

[Aerows]

86. Michigan is 90+ White? n/t

[oberliner]

95. No, it's not

The states that are fairly diverse like Michigan and Ohio have tended to be pretty close contests.

The states that are 90+ percent white like Utah and Idaho have been big wins for Bernie.

The states where non-whites make up the majority of Democratic voters like Alabama and Georgia have been big wins for Hillary.

[bravenak]

25. I though Red States do not count

But maybe that was only the ones where there were so many black voters voting in the primaries. If only us black folks were not such Confederates! Hopefully we will be 'educated' by our ideological betters on the proper ways to think and vote, then our states will 'count' too, and our UTTER REJECTION OF her opponent will mean HE needs to CORRECT COURSE.

I guess actually winning more delegates and votes is no longer the measure of success. One must win 'REAL' states with 'REAL' liberals, like the most PROGRESSIVES states in America, such as, Idaho and Utah. Hopefully states like California will join us Black folks in our Confederate lifestyles.

[morningfog]

29. I never said any states or voters don't matter.

And this is not the point of this thread.

[bravenak]

39. Did you ever say anything in opposition to those ideas?

I mean, I did not see many folks on his side upset about us being call mater/servant class, but I saw a bunch of folks condeming me and everybody I know for a post I wrote, deleted, and apologized for.
So, I pretty much think that since we are all evil people for a post I wrote, then anyone not Condeming That type of crap is silently giving the approval of such vituperative attacks. I also did not see many of you in my threads telling folks to knock of the constant reposting of my full name over and over to bully me into silence

But now We all have damn amnesia and Hillary is sudenly in need of rethinking her campaign, as if her side is the one that is losing. With these type of things going on I think maybe he might be the one in need of rethinking how to draw more diverse sections of the democratic electorate, rather than folks crowing about winning the least diverse states, while their comrades are busy doing this stuff.

Now that folks are finding my friends and relatives to harass them about posts that were screenshotted and bandied about on here with MY FULL NAME OVER AND OVER IN OPS AND SHIT, I think I can make any damn point I want on any thread I want to. Unless y'all gon find out who is doing this shit and let them know that I am pissed and finna speak constantly until people stop fucking with my fam.

[morningfog]

43. Yes, I did.

I started an OP saying exactly that every state matters, every vote matters. I posted repeatedly that I think Bernie made a significant error in his strategy to ignore the southern states.

I have no idea what has happened with you and your family. It sounds horrible, sorry to hear.

One problem with this board is that posters view others as a collective and impugn every thought of one with all from another "side." It prevents constructive discourse because old fights are rehashed with people not involved initially.

[bravenak]

46. It damn sure does make it hard

I thank you for standing up a saying what was right even when folks were probably ready to kick you off the team for not being in complete agreement.

My family is fine, though I worry more for the safety of those attempting to bully them. I wish they would stop, the people they are contacting have spent time in prison and do not care about their rights, or free speech, or politics. I am the kindest person i am related to. The others? Have teardrop tatoos on their faces or gang tats or have been living in the hood since birth. I hope they end the stalking before their targets of this new harassment campaign find them to harass them back. This internet badass shit does not work on folks who are ACTUAL badasses. Not cool and not safe.

[rbrnmw]

50. I don't have time to be educated.

I am trying trying to keep my kids off of street corners. Plus Hillary is paying me to remain a Confederate.

[bravenak]

54. I'm a tool of the oligarchy, a black power broker

If we get your kids out of the black ghetto, they can grow up to be black Oligarchical confederates like us...

[rbrnmw]

56. they really need to stop causing racism...

[bravenak]

58. I know. I was out causing some earlier while clearing some of this mushy snow off my walkway.

I live on the corner.

[rbrnmw]

59. you can't even go in your house and stop causing it

because you are still on the corner

[bravenak]

62. It's pretty much my fault slavery happened

[rbrnmw]

66. I invented the hood

[bravenak]

68. You damn oligarch

[SoLeftIAmRight]

97. that was me

an alabama welcome to you

[NowSam]

27. This is uglier than Bush v Gore

and I think the healing from that rift that the theft of 2000 had only just begun. This is all theater folks. The villains are winning.

[redstateblues]

49. Oh please-stop the condescension

It doesn't help your cause

[NowSam]

51. I'll post what I think is right

Please stop trying to silence me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. "As goes Idaho and Utah so goes the nation."

Said no person ever.

[morningfog]

44. I don't disagree.

I know no one believes me, and that is fine, but I ask these questions as a student of political science and following of politics. And as a Democratic voter looking ahead.

[FarPoint]

36. Hillary will be the Democratic Nominee.

So, let's stay focused and proactive.

[New Earth]

40. Looks like she should drop out now.....

She has no chance!

[Tarc]

41. Those are red states in which she did not campaign, nor placed a high value on

Similar to the military tactic of leapfrogging, although in this case the idea is to bypass less important states than stronger ones, obviously.

[redstateblues]

48. Thanks for your concern. Check the low vote totals in Utah and Idaho

Fairly insignificant. What is Bernie going to do about his delegate deficit?

[workinclasszero]

60. Red states don't count

Confederate states...etc

[bravenak]

63. Exactly

[forjusticethunders]

69. Okay this shit needs to stop.

The Bernie supporters are in full Romney 2012 unskewed polling mode and it is fucking embarrassing. I'm still hopeful for a miracle but dammit we seem determined to prove all the shit people say about his support base right.

Do you realize how horrible it sounds when we dismiss Clinton winning red states full of black people while rah-rahing Bernie winning red states that have very few black people?

[djean111]

71. As always, DU members will post as they wish, subject to TOS and jury alerts.

Almost looks like a "Bernie BUT" post - referring to "The Bernie supporters" and then full-on smearing them as Romney-supporter-like and as being fucking embarrassing is always interesting.

[forjusticethunders]

73. If the shoe fits

Then wear it. I'm not one of the thin skinned Bernie supporters who need a safe space insulated from any criticism of my candidate, but apparently you are. (and inb4 Hillary supporters, the Hillary supporters who act like that are just as bad)

[djean111]

75. Oh, come on, you just posted an OP that basically, and at great length, tells us we should

give up and support Hillary. You are not criticizing Bernie, by the way, just his supporters.

[Major Hogwash]

72. 4 to 1.

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We embraced Bernie's message in Idaho by 4 to 1.

It was the largest caucus in Boise's history, over 15,000 people attended.

[brooklynite]

74. Wow. Bernie lost Mississippi by 66 points and Alabama by 59 points and George by 43 points...

...and South Carolina by 49 points.

[hrmjustin]

76. Impressive wins but the problem is the population of these states are small so he

will not get huge delegate hauls.

But congratulations to Sanders.

[pantsonfire]

78. Congrats on the Arizona win.

[hrmjustin]

89. Thanks!

[NorthCarolina]

80. Good thing for her AZ is not a caucus State

so they were able to successfully manage the outcome.

[-none]

83. In one state, plainly not enough polling places, overly long lines, people denied the vote an

All kind of other voting problems. Hillary "wins".

In two other states, voting goes smoothly, no long lines or ballot shortages, everyone eligible gets to vote, and Bernie wins in a land slide.

Nothing to see here, move along now.

[Sunlei]

87. Does anyone know how many Rs total cast their votes in those same states?

[casperthegm]

94. Woohoo, feel the Bern!

Good night for Bernie

[Marr]

98. It's a pretty fascinating split. I wonder if the left/right

split here is coming into play in a backwards sort of way. That is to say, Hillary is absolutely despised on the right. I wonder if white Democratic voters in conservative and 'purple' states tend to share their neighbors' personal dislike of Hillary.

If so, that could put a lot of states out of her reach in the general that would typically be up for grabs.

[cwydro]

99. He certainly does do well in the majority white states.

He seems to win in the same states Cruz wins in.

Fascinating.