2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAmazing that Bernie was almost unknown nationally yet hillary is still losing states to him!
This says a lot about hillary being a very weak candidate!
People just do not trust or like her.
Hillary was a political machine with all the resources in the world yet she is losing states to a candidate that no one knew.
Scary!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)When someone tells you that it's not about the money, be certain it's about the money.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)He has stoked the college kids up with promises of wiping their college debt slate clean. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous IMO.
choie
(4,111 posts)That Bernie doesn't have the stink of corruption on him and promotes income equality and a less strong armed foreign policy...
rock
(13,218 posts)Bernie has promised so many "free" things that he has to raise taxes, for some by a considerable amount.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)sad that our party has devolved into a another rightwing party.
At least some of us are fighting to move the party back to the left.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)If you don't think it's about promising trillions in new entitlements, then you're only fooling yourself.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)But you aren't fooling me.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Is that you Ron Paul?
Fuck the people, support the 1%!
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)This party has fallen from it's once great place.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)the third way types couldn't have succeeded.
Progressives have been held hostage using scares like 'scotus!' for way too long.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Fucking delicious.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)The more informed people are, the more likely they vote for Bernie.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Sanders knows his policies are DOA in Congress. He's deceiving the youth vote. I have a real problem with that.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)He says that in literally every speech he makes. There is no deception there. And you insult the youth by thinking they would be so easily deceived.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Wrong. Very wrong.
In fact thinking about free tuition is a very important aspect for peoples future and there is NO excuse why we can't do this in the richest country on earth when other countries already are. Do you know what my kid will pay in Germany for college? A big fat zero. Thanks free college! He'll never have to worry about student loan debt like the millions here.
We enslave our future generations and for what? This has a detrimental impact on the economy. Think about it, millions will never own houses or even be able to buy cars.
You both enable and condone that in your position. Sorry but maybe you should go join a Republican site.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...that's a really weird thing to say. He's also never been shy about the fact that change won't happen without a significant change in congress. It's in all his speeches.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Also, as someone with a young child, I worry about their debt and have several friends that are still paying off crazy college debt at crazy interest rates. These are real issues for real people.
vintx
(1,748 posts)about all Dems.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...those trillions are already earmarked for (a) endless war and (b) endless wealth for the already-wealthy.
Silly proles, thinking they should get anything more from their government. Just because other countries manage to deliver health care to all citizens doesn't mean we should. Same with free tuition for higher education. Why, here in the USofA, we're self-reliant! If you fail in this country, you'll fail hard, and that's the way we like it! And we keep the trade deficit under control with those weapons sales, so stop trying to change anything! WUSSES!!
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Are you still working on the correlative one too; "people just haven't gotten to know Bernie yet" ?
Logical
(22,457 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Yes, she would have run away with it had Bernie not entered, thank you Captain Obvious. Now the voters have a choice and some (but not enough) have chosen Sanders.
It is hi-fucking-larious to see you people fracture your arms patting yourselves on the back for something that's kinda natural in politics.
metroins
(2,550 posts)She knows that delegates are what wins elections.
Sanders lost the race a month ago.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)Take a look at the delegate count. And weep. Because she is running away with it.
randome
(34,845 posts)Pity you can't see that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)What's really amazing is the endless creativity of the very human propensity to rationalize defeat.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Do you expect some sort of response?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,253 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)The the GOP would make sure everyone knows his Communist connections, sex essays, etc etc
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Please tell us more. We'd love to hear about that.
Meanwhile.....
?quality=80&strip=all&w=1600
artyteacher
(598 posts)He honeymoons in Moscow during the cold war, he's praised Fidel Castro, and he was associated with Communist groups in Israel.
Those may not be fair points, but the GOP doesn't care about fairness.
djean111
(14,255 posts)The Clinton pile of baggage is huge, and there will be lots of people hearing that shit for the very first time. It doesn't matter if HILLARY has a "thick skin" about it, it is the voters who hear it for the very first time who count, not how Hillary is used to hearing it.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Haven't we already seen all of those things talked about in the media? Like there is any suprize in any of it?
Of course the GOP doesn't care about fairness. Remember Willie Horton? So what?
If you could boil down the contest to one between Chump and Sanders (or Cruz and Sanders) there is no contest. The only real struggle is between him and HRC and that's in a party where nobody gives a crap about time spent in a kibbutz.
Faulty argument. As Ayn Rand would say, check your premises.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)They are not even paying attention.
Logical
(22,457 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)enjoy your Utah! As goes Utah, so goes the nation!
Logical
(22,457 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)As well as a leader who espouses hope with conviction.
I'm a Hillary supporter, but Bernie has a better rallying cry.
Hillary however has the proven record of supporting Democrats and the experience to lead a country.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)I wouldn't go to one either. Who has time to sit through one?
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)they have been very favorable to Bernie once he started to get a little traction. The truth is that Trump has received the lion's share of free media
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Wholly unrepresentative populations made even more unrepresentative by essentially only allowing young, fit voters with several hours to spare on a work night to participate.
By comparison, it took me all of ten minutes to fill out my Indiana absentee ballot and mail it in.
When more people are allowed to participate, Sanders loses.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)>young, fit voters
>have hours to spare on a work night
excuse me? The most underemployed youth generation this century, often working 2+ jobs to make ends meet, has hours to spare to participate?
This is my problem with so many Clinton supporters; they think Bernie supporters are privileged lazy college kids rather than people who have lost big in the "New Economy". I know *multiple* people who have contemplated or ATTEMPTED suicide because of the stress of balancing shit wage jobs with college. We can talk about the issues with Bernie supporters but it goes both ways - a HUGE (YUGE) reason why people view Clinton as a Republican because her supporters often TALK like Republicans and address the concerns of their opponents with Republican-sounding arguments.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Yes, I know a lot of us were screwed by the recession, but the idea that even most of us are desperate and hopeless to the point of suicide is just absurd.
Yes, college-age or young professional millenials often have a lot more time to spare than voters in their 40s or 50s, and they generally have less of any issue with accessibility than someone older with a medical condition or a caregiver.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)Also I wasn't saying that every single Millenial is that desperate but we're seeing a historic level of people working below their qualifications - which means people who went to community college, or are still in college, or didn't go into a super high demand field (or more like, a field that doesn't have near zero demand), are doing even worse.
I think people have this idea that many/most people are relatively comfortable middle class when that simply isn't true.
His Communist connection is that Hitler wiped out his entire family. So yeah....
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... tried to build up a few sufficiently liberal 2016 candidates over the last 7+ years rather than endlessly complaining about Obama and doing little else.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)The burden men put on women accomplishing a single damn thing. Not something they ask of themselves but demand of woman, in order to gain the title of winner.
Clinton is kicking Sanders ass.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)So what if Bernie is proving to be a strong(er) challenge to Clinton? I don't think that anybody claimed that he would not win any primaries? Anyway, Clinton is so far ahead now that it is not mathematically feasible for her to lose no matter how many more primaries Bernie wins.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)to a politically naive segment of the electorate. It's brilliant scheme-it almost worked.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)with unfair, undemocratic caucuses, we get that.
Of course a person will never win the democratic nomination like that but whatever.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Amazing that Buffalo scored 17 points against Dallas' 52 in 1992. That says a lot about how badly Dallas sucked.
Dallas was a football machine with all the resources in the world yet Buffalo forced Dallas to a three-an-out on their first possession AND blocked the punt AND scored the first touchdown in the game.
Scary!
Though Buffalo still lost by 35 points.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... A governor of Arkansas, not really very well known at all, but he went on to win the primaries and the nomination.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)I know many people, including my own mother, who want to make sure 'the powers that be' know she likes many of Bernie's talking points, so voted for him in the primary. She lives in Florida, so knew it wouldn't hurt Hillary, who she donates to and plans to vote for in the GE.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)not in touch with the needs of the people. This Bernie is strong on the issues. And I am delighted that the machine and massive money is not working for her. Times are changing.
And as to scary - not at all. Finally people are waking up and listening to the issues. Democracy still has a chance - when the machine and the money rule democracy dies.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)people for less of the buck.
senz
(11,945 posts)She has had every advantage. She came into this loaded with money, fame, family name, connections, power, influence, expectations, reputation for vengeance, MSM support.
Who could hope to beat that? Few Democrats even tried to challenge her.
And this unknown elderly Jewish senator from a small rural state who entered the race last spring has been giving her a serious run for her money.
This fascinating story should be the talk of the nation -- if the MSM didn't have a blackout on him.
It will be in the history books. No matter how this turns out.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)that he does better in polls against Republicans because he's not as well known--and so, he wouldn't be doing as well if he has been subjected to the kinds of attacks Hillary has gotten for 25 years by the republicans and the media.