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How come it's only when Bernie loses (Original Post) boston bean Mar 2016 OP
Once is a fluke. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #1
Because he fights a clean campaign, without establishment fraudulently assisting him? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #2
Lol lol. That would be stealing data endorsements and logos. Taking too much in contribution from seabeyond Mar 2016 #10
You mean the deliberately created data breach that allowed Debbie to overreach at a crucial moment? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #14
it's a massive conspiracy! lol boston bean Mar 2016 #15
It's massive fraud. How much of it was conspired between HRC and DWS is as yet unresolved. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #17
lol! Keep going! hahahahahahaha boston bean Mar 2016 #18
Your answers do not guarantee the healing of the rift in the party. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #21
I'm not rifted. If you are, maybe concern yourself with it! boston bean Mar 2016 #22
All The rules much change for the outsider that has never contributed to the party. All paths seabeyond Mar 2016 #36
I do not cotton much to excusing theft..... Better to own it and move on instead of justification seabeyond Mar 2016 #34
umm..he's sat in DC for 25 years..Bernie IS the Establishment. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #38
Have you seen the superdelegate gap? So much for "debunked". eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #43
Millionaires Billionaires Oligarchs bravenak Mar 2016 #3
The old MBO! boston bean Mar 2016 #6
They are just the establishment bravenak Mar 2016 #11
the BPBC - Black Power Brokers Confederacy! LOL!!!!!!! boston bean Mar 2016 #16
Yep. Tools of the establishment bravenak Mar 2016 #19
JL is the Chairman of the BPBC! boston bean Mar 2016 #24
MLK founded our wonderful group bravenak Mar 2016 #31
me too Hillary is paying me some serious quarters rbrnmw Mar 2016 #25
She's been droppin dimes all over the hood bravenak Mar 2016 #27
LMAO rbrnmw Mar 2016 #32
Plus the "Powers That Be". PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #30
Those are us VAGINAS bravenak Mar 2016 #33
BINGO!! PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #4
And this is it . . . .she can't win without lying, cheating and swift boating. . . pdsimdars Mar 2016 #12
Saw two petitions go up from the person not a part or contributor to the Democratic Party demand seabeyond Mar 2016 #5
Bernie NEVER loses rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #7
It's kind of hard to fraud voters from outside the establishment running the voting. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #8
Oh, really? Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #13
Personally, I'm not ready to go there, by a long shot. However... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #9
Probably because cheating and voter disinfranchisement are involved NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #20
You're not aware Hillary supporters are upset at being turned away yesterday in Arizona? Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #23
They're aware but just don't care. think Mar 2016 #37
The more obvious it becomes that Bernie can't win 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #26
+16 net delegates yesterday for Bernie, despite landslides in Idaho and Utah alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #50
'Tis an enduring mystery! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #28
So you evidently don't know that when he loses there is always voter irregularities in that bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #29
Because your myopic. haikugal Mar 2016 #39
It's quite evident Arizona was a clusterfuck. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #40
K&R! stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #41
How come there are any DUers dismissing such allegations? Orsino Mar 2016 #42
How come people getting screwed, treated unfairly, voter frauded, or cheated leads to Bernie losing? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #44
Yeah, and in Arizona, those supposedly cheated were Clinton voters, R B Garr Mar 2016 #45
It is fascinating, is it not? cwydro Mar 2016 #46
We should ALL care when voters are disenfranchised. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #47
Only "disenfranchised" when BS loses Iliyah Mar 2016 #53
Are you kidding me? Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #54
There's a fairly obvious answer to that one. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #48
Progressives never actually lose elections, as is well known alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #49
Forget a partisan screen Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #51
Because that's all they got. trumad Mar 2016 #52
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. Lol lol. That would be stealing data endorsements and logos. Taking too much in contribution from
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:12 AM
Mar 2016

individuals. That kind of clean. Ah ha.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
14. You mean the deliberately created data breach that allowed Debbie to overreach at a crucial moment?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:17 AM
Mar 2016

(and allowed Clinton to spy on Sanders too)

That was very unclean, but it wasn't Sanders who ended up with dirty hands, was it? It was Hillary's campaign manager (sorry, I mean DNC chair) DWS!

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
17. It's massive fraud. How much of it was conspired between HRC and DWS is as yet unresolved.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:22 AM
Mar 2016

Nothing funny about that, by the way.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
21. Your answers do not guarantee the healing of the rift in the party.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:24 AM
Mar 2016

But then: it has long been clear that Clinton desn't care about progressives or gays or millennials at all. So I guess I have hit the trifecta.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
36. All The rules much change for the outsider that has never contributed to the party. All paths
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:40 AM
Mar 2016

cleared. So typical. Throw up the hurdles and blocks to make it as challenging as possible for the woman, and clear out the path for an easy stride for the white man. Hence, a loss with the Democratic base. We too easily see the demand, and we just say,...

No.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
34. I do not cotton much to excusing theft..... Better to own it and move on instead of justification
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:38 AM
Mar 2016

for theft

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
38. umm..he's sat in DC for 25 years..Bernie IS the Establishment.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:41 AM
Mar 2016

That anti-establishment meme has been debunked, quite soundly.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
11. They are just the establishment
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:13 AM
Mar 2016

I bet some of us black power brokers infiltrated the AZ primary to give the State to us confederates.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
19. Yep. Tools of the establishment
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:23 AM
Mar 2016

I'm pretty much a sellout with my esteemed Buddy JL (that Means John Lewis)

Response to boston bean (Original post)

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
12. And this is it . . . .she can't win without lying, cheating and swift boating. . .
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:15 AM
Mar 2016

she is among the LEAST liked and LEAST trusted while Bernie is at the top. And she can't stand on her own policies but must adopt Bernie's. Total loser.

And if she does win. . . no working Americans will get any relief, only favors for the rich.. It's who they are, it's what they do. How many decades of evidence do they need?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. Saw two petitions go up from the person not a part or contributor to the Democratic Party demand
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:11 AM
Mar 2016

we change the rules mid stream for him because he is losing, with the Super delegates. Ya.... Cheating only when Sanders loses. Tell ya. As an athlete for decades, he would be pinned with poor sport all the way.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
8. It's kind of hard to fraud voters from outside the establishment running the voting.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:11 AM
Mar 2016

After all...he just because a democrat! Unless you think he's got crony politicians in high places in each state pulling the strings for him. He has been in politics for a long time, maybe its all part of his long con.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
9. Personally, I'm not ready to go there, by a long shot. However...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:12 AM
Mar 2016

...it's utterly obvious at this point that the election in Arizona was bungled badly. What I'm not ready to say (and won't be without a hell of a lot of solid evidence) is that the fiasco was deliberate and intended to favor any particular candidate. Something like that, which would completely change the race, has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
20. Probably because cheating and voter disinfranchisement are involved
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:24 AM
Mar 2016

with many of the States Clinton picked up. Luckily (for Bernie) you can't flood a caucus State with absentee ballots.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
23. You're not aware Hillary supporters are upset at being turned away yesterday in Arizona?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:25 AM
Mar 2016

There are Hillary supporters in this thread..your OP is less than helpful.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511557242

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
26. The more obvious it becomes that Bernie can't win
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:33 AM
Mar 2016

The more mud his supporters will throw, attempting to delegitimize Hillary's victory.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
50. +16 net delegates yesterday for Bernie, despite landslides in Idaho and Utah
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

I think the scale of a 300 delegate deficit is sinking in for even those Sandersians most in denial.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
29. So you evidently don't know that when he loses there is always voter irregularities in that
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:34 AM
Mar 2016

state...right?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
40. It's quite evident Arizona was a clusterfuck.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:46 AM
Mar 2016

I don't think there's any way to determine what the will of the voters was. Voter registrations were completely fucked up. Voters were turned away. Thousands of provisional ballots...who knows if they'll be counted or not? Voting Precincts in Maricopa County reduced from 400 in 2008, to 200 in 2012, to 60 in 2016. Election called when only the early votes reported, people still waiting in line to vote 5+ hours later. Some voters couldn't wait...had to return to jobs, school, or kids. Most likely every candidate was affected to one degree or another. Nobody should be making the excuse that the situation yesterday in AZ is acceptable or should be allowed to stand.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
42. How come there are any DUers dismissing such allegations?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:47 AM
Mar 2016

I thought we all knew that the oligarchy hates our vote and wants to outlaw it.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
45. Yeah, and in Arizona, those supposedly cheated were Clinton voters,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:33 PM
Mar 2016

but somehow they magically turn into Bernie voters if they didn't actually get to vote. The election coverage was talking about the polling areas thinned out, and they favored Clinton.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
54. Are you kidding me?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:39 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure there were many Clinton supporters in those long lines and late registrants who were disenfranchised, as well. You'll be singing a different tune when the Republicans pull this kind of stuff in November. We should all be very concerned about this. I thought Democrats were opposed to voter suppression. Silly me...

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
51. Forget a partisan screen
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:47 PM
Mar 2016

Look at it each election on its merits. AZ F*cked up - that is pretty obvious and should be unacceptable to all Democrats.

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