I see a bunch of angry conspiracy theories and petitions and protests! What on earth happened?!

[DanTex]

Oh I see. Hillary won another primary.

[bravenak]

1. Millionaires Billionaires Oligarchs

[MoonRiver]

16. oh my!

[NWCorona]

44. That is very true

Whether or not it was meant to be sarcastic.

[MADem]

2. Those mind-reading poll workers again!!!

They're able to figure out which Democrats are Clinton supporters, by a secret hand sign, and they are given a ballot and told to go cast their vote.

The ones who don't know the Super Secret Crafty Clinton Code, though ... why, They Shall Not Vote!!

[fasttense]

8. Actually it is a lot easier than that

RepubliCONS have known about this trick for years. If you suppress ALL the votes, the likely outcome is that the status quo and conservative candidate will win. It takes effort to change, the status quo requires merely swimming with the tide.

[MADem]

13. No. This was a DEMOCRATIC (not "RepubliCON") Presidential Preference Election.

It was established so the DEMOCRATS (not the Independents, Greens or Socialists--or those "RepubliCONs" of which you speak) of Arizona could tell their party leadership which candidate THEY preferred.

Here's the "trick" to not being disenfranchised in a DEMOCRATIC Presidential Preference Election in Arizona--you have to Be A Democrat. And you have to BE one for more than a month, to have locked in your party affiliation a month ahead of the election. If you did it late, or not at all, you are excluded.

That's how it works.

No Clinton voters are complaining of disenfranchisement. That's because the overwhelming majority of Clinton voters are .... (surprise) .... Democrats.

[fasttense]

56. NO kidding?? There was a Democratic Primary? Really? The way the media talks about tRump

even Rachel Maddow sounds like a RepubliCON.

But all kidding aside, I hate to tell you but your State runs your elections NOT YOUR DEMOCRATIC PARTY. The open and closed primary decisions are made at the state level NOT necessarily by Democrats. The decisions of how candidates are listed on the ballot are made by the state NOT necessarily Democrats. This year my State RepubliCON Senate decided you can no longer just vote a straight Democratic ticket. You have to go through and press the button for each Democratic or RepubliCON person you vote for. So when names are moved and changed and reloaded on new voter rolls, that's all done by your state NOT YOUR DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

If you Suppress ALL the Votes then the Status Quo usually wins. Thus Hillary voters who are for the status quo are less likely to complain. It's in their best interest to keep quiet.

[MADem]

68. It still doesn't "explain" how Sanders lost and would have won "if only."

We're still back to the Super Secret Hand Signal.

Unless, of course, Clinton voters are just more dedicated and have more stick-to-it-ive-ness.

[Retrograde]

69. It varies by state

In mine - California - the parties do decide who gets to vote in the presidential primaries (we went to open primaries for all other offices a few years ago, so come June all voters will be able to vote in the Senate and Congressional primaries, but only registered Republicans can vote in the presidential primary; the Democratic, Libertarian and American Independent parties chose this time to let Non-Partisan voters vote in their presidential primaries). The state runs the mechanics of the election, but in this case the party decides who votes. Other states do things differently.

[redstateblues]

3. Cue the X Files theme song. Conspiracies abound.

[Hortensis]

71. Episode 322, The Missing Arizona Revolutionaries

Cue screams of incredible agony out of sight, then cut cameras to



Oh, god, no, no, no!!!

[vintx]

4. What happened?

A third way corporatist war hawk liar is about to be held up as the leader of this once proud party. That's what happened.

I guess the third way types just really wanted to split the party.

[grossproffit]

7. Welcome to DU!

[stonecutter357]

23. .

[Cobalt Violet]

31. They won't be laughing so hard when she's indicted.

At least we have 1 electable candidate.

[MADem]

70. Hold your breath until that happens...!

Any day now....!!


ANY .... DAY .... Now!!!!!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

41. Aren't you just so adorable.

Enjoy your stay!

[CorkySt.Clair]

43. There there

Just keep working through the stages and everything will be a-ok.

[grossproffit]

5. Hillary should have received a lot more votes.

I just spoke with 5 friends this morning, all in Maricopa county who were turned away because they were mislabeled as Independents in the system. All of them are Clinton supporters. They phoned the county yesterday and will be calling today as well. They're pissed. They met a lot of fellow angry Clinton supporters who were also turned away.

[fasttense]

9. Yeah, when you supress ALL the vote you get the most conservative candidate

That's what RepubliCONS have been doing for years. It's just preparation by RepubliCONS for the general election.

[grossproffit]

14. Bernie is winning the non people of color vote. Hillary is winning true Democrats, diverse voters.

[gordianot]

34. Just curious what are true Democrats?

Would that include the DNC and official party organizations or are certain people truer Democrats than others? How does one become a true Democrat?

[grossproffit]

45. Those who support and belong to the Democratic party.

[gordianot]

49. Since I as a non person of color has supported and belonged to the Democratic Party for 48 years.

I too might be a "true Democrat" add to that I really believe in diversity.

[frylock]

58. Good luck to you and all the True Democrats in the GE.

You'll need 100% of the 30% of voters who are True Democrats to pull it off. Should be a walk in the cake for your beloved candidate.

[oldandhappy]

53. Thanks!

[Bleacher Creature]

6. Bill Clinton personally blockaded 1.7 million people.

All Sanders supporters, and none of them were able to get to the voting booth.

[fasttense]

10. It's a lot easier than that.

Just check out wht RepubliCONS have been doing for decades.

[bobthedrummer]

65. One "superdelegate" is worth way more than 1.7 million voters though for the New Dems & Bill

Just ask Mary Jo White

Bill Clinton pardon controversy (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy

[rjsquirrel]

11. Bernie can't lose!

It must be a conspiracy. Wake up sheeple!

[msanthrope]

12. What stage are we on? nt

[MADem]

15. Between Denial and Anger, I'd say. It's going to be awhile.

https://grief.com/the-five-stages-of-grief/

[msanthrope]

17. I don't know...the petition OP to Schumer smells of bargaining. nt

[MADem]

26. Fair point...but I think Utah and Idaho pushed them back a few

moves on their road to Damascus...!

[msanthrope]

29. Saul is still wandering about, definitely....but there's a definite change this am. nt

[MADem]

32. We are going to have to tolerate this for as long as Ted Devine wants a payday, I suspect.

http://docquery.fec.gov/pres/2016/M3/C00577130/B_PAYEE_C00577130.html

[msanthrope]

33. Tad Devine does not win elections. nt

[MADem]

37. Really! I don't think BS is gettting bang for his buck.

$810,000 -- That's how much Tad took in from the Sanders campaign, for his little firm -- just this month.


$810,000 divided by $27 is 30,000. If they're going to keep on at this rate, they'll need 30K more "little guy" donations for April.

[msanthrope]

46. oh somebody's getting a Bang out of it...nt

[MADem]

72. You are so right about Tad not winning elections--at least Presidential oness.

Carter re-election campaign...?

Mondale...?

Dukakis...?

Gore....? (Well, he squeaked that one out, but he should have bought some anti-Nader ads in FL)

Kerry....?


How he stays in business is anyone's guess.

[Renew Deal]

20. Denial and Anger is Bernies platform

[redstateblues]

24. It's brilliant scheme-making promises he knows he can't keep

to get the youth vote. It almost worked

[MADem]

27. "Fight the Power!" sounds great...except that this guy wants to BE the power! nt

[msanthrope]

28. I can tell from the board today....we are moving towards bargaining. nt

[grossproffit]

22. Is delusional a stage?

[msanthrope]

25. Generally, it's part of denial, but you see it in the bargaining phase, too. nt

[uponit7771]

47. Temper Tantrum, so I think its the anger part and going into denial or is it the other

... way around

[Renew Deal]

18. Sums it up well

[stonecutter357]

19. K&R!

[gordianot]

21. There are no conspiracies just business as usual.

You may like it, you may be appalled, you may be saddened by loss of life, you may look at it as revenge, deserved, innocent, powerless, omnipotent as the wheel turns accept your fate. If you try to figure out what happened keep it to yourself and know you will not be the master of your own destiny. Try not to complain no one wants to listen, remember poor Job was the victim of high stakes gamblers. Shit happens and it is just business as usual. Get over it.

[72DejaVu]

30. The Sanders folks have implemented their end game strategy

They will destroy the Democratic Party in order to save it.

[gordianot]

35. I really do not see how Sanders people would destroy the Democratic Party?

Sanders most likely will not win the nomination. Most of his followers will get over it Sanders and Clinton will reconcile. Trump is just too scary.

A major FBI probe mishandling secret files, DOJ indictment could really mess up the Democratic Party even if the allegations are untrue now that is a threat. Like some say I am sick of listening to contrived email controversy but it is still out there and the existence of a private server with Top Secret correspondence is illegal. If that server was really breached watch out. An indictment of a candidate would mess up the Democratic party. At this point I do not care who the Democratic candidate will be as long as they beat Trump and Cruz.

[72DejaVu]

36. All these crackpot conspiracy theories

Are intended to create the impression with the general public that Clinton did not win the nomination fairly, and supplement the right wing meme that she is untrustworthy.

It's a scorched earth strategy. If Bernie can't have the nomination, make the nomination not worth having. Maybe Trump will make things so bad that millions of people will join the "revolution".

[gordianot]

39. The point is the NSA, FBI and DOJ are not crackpot conspirators these days they know the truth.

Hillary's real problems are with the NSA over any secret correspondence on that server and not Benghazi hearings brought on by right-wing political hacks. The two email controversies are easy to confuse. Add the person who set up the server has immunity the details are now well known.

Also revolutions against Fascist regimes do not have good track records. I rate the equal potential for Trump and or Cruz to go full blown fascist. Hope I am wrong.

[bobthedrummer]

64. The Sanders folks-is that a new alternative band??? The New Dems took the Party to hell long ago.

[mmonk]

38. Voting rights should be sacred.

There are things more important than your candidate.

[jillan]

40. What happened was Hillary voters were turned away from voting. She may have won even more delegates.

Do you understand now?

[gordianot]

42. Exactly, it is scary how easy it is to stifle intellectual curiosity. N/T

[uponit7771]

48. Making shit up isn't intellectual at all

[gordianot]

50. Asking questions is intellectual and if answers come they may not be what you expect.

The point of my response was voting irregularities may have hurt Hillary. What irregularities occurred, what happens if they show up in the general election?

[Setsuna1972]

51. I know what's going on

It must be a sale this week, just in time for Easter !

[polichick]

52. My bet: The Clinton Machine happened.

[oldandhappy]

54. Both Clinton and Sanders voters experienced election fraud.

All Dems. Not one-sided.

[NowSam]

55. Theft

It was stolen with cooperation from the corporate controlled everything. Theft. Do we want a thief in chief? Commander in Thief. Get ready for the ugliest period in history since Dubya.

[Bluenorthwest]

57. From the 2008 thread 'Hillary's Nonsensical, Historical Excuse for RFK Assassination Crack'' here's

DanTex:

"Great post.

Edited on Sun May-25-08 12:53 PM by DanTex
The problem is that Hillary rarely actually "means" any of the things she says. It's basically all spin and PR.

I mean, almost every single word out of her mouth during that whole statement was obvious BS:

-It's not "unprecedented in history" for candidates to withdraw (or to be urged to withdraw) for party unity. For example, the Reps urged Huckabee to withdraw for unity just this year.
-Nobody tried to push her out "since Iowa". It only started when she had less than 1% chance of winning without some catastrophe happening to Obama.
-The Obama camp has never suggested that she should drop out.
-She's lying through her teeth when she says "I don't understand" the unity argument -- unless she's completely braindead.
-The Bill Clinton analogy was BS
-The RFK analogy was BS.

100% BS. Did she "mean" any of it? Who knows what is going on in her head.

Maybe she meant it as a double entendre. Her "official" meaning was that RFK was still campaigning. But she was in a particularly bitter mood, so she left the word "assassinated" as a jab."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6111215

So what you 'see' is just whatever you want to type as narrative. In 08 you could 'see' that Hillary was bitter and full of BS and wrong about everything, today you can 'see' her honesty and integrity and 'see' what's wrong with Bernie and 'see' the future and I'm just not 'seeing' you as a credible commentator at all, because you argue any branch of any tree you lite on is the finest branch and all the other trees are rotten.

[gordianot]

60. 3/09/ 2016 Hillary Clinton "I am not a natural politician".

The stakes in this election grow daily.

[frylock]

61. We've established that some of Hillary's more ardent supporters hated her in 2008.

[frylock]

59. It's going to be fun watching you guys get all wadded when repubs pull this against dems in the GE.

bookmarked

[brooklynite]

67. Actually...the Clinton campaign was smart enough to bank it's votes during the Early Voting period.

And they'll do the same during the GE.

[treestar]

62. It's really showing up the naivete about the system

About registering to vote, vote in primaries, etc.

[polly7]

63. Yuck. Gloating, bullying and arrogance is so ugly. nt.

[brooklynite]

66. I think this place is going to become very unpleasant until at least the NY Primary.