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Botany

(70,501 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:56 AM Mar 2016

It is over ..... the math

Hillary Clinton's #s

HRC has 1681 delegates ... HRC needs 2157 to get the nomination and 2383 delegates still remain to
be picked.

The math

2157 - 1681 = 702 (delegates needed for the nomination)

702/2383 = 32% (HRC will need 32% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination)

Bernie's #s

Bernie has 927 delegates .... Bernie needs 2157 to get the nomination and 2383 delegates still remain to
be picked.

The math

2157 - 927 = 1456 (delegates needed for the nomination)

1456/2383 = 68% (Bernie will need 68% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination)

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It is over ..... the math (Original Post) Botany Mar 2016 OP
The Superdeedooperdelegates mean it was all a sham? Octafish Mar 2016 #1
I voted for and supported Bernie but the #s are what they are .... end of story Botany Mar 2016 #3
Hiya, Botany! Octafish Mar 2016 #8
At one time I banned from both the Bernie and Hillary groups @ DU Botany Mar 2016 #13
Up in arms over Arizona, all be. Octafish Mar 2016 #14
You didn't know that superduperdelegates get to vote twice. Gregorian Mar 2016 #5
How would a patriot act? Octafish Mar 2016 #10
Um, so basically it's not over and you did good floriduck Mar 2016 #2
it will be over ibegurpard Mar 2016 #4
I voted for and supported Bernie but the #s are what they are .... end of story Botany Mar 2016 #6
again ibegurpard Mar 2016 #16
Hillary has only 1222 delegates, definitely NOT the end of the story demwing Mar 2016 #7
1222 - from your link DrDan Mar 2016 #28
good point - updated demwing Mar 2016 #30
I don't do super delegate math nor respect the process. mmonk Mar 2016 #9
it will be over after we get to vote in the CA primary, in June amborin Mar 2016 #11
donating again lmbradford Mar 2016 #12
I voted for and supported Bernie but the #s are what they are .... end of story Botany Mar 2016 #21
Did you add super delegates? Trajan Mar 2016 #26
It's 2026, not 2383 Recursion Mar 2016 #15
Is this your warning that Bettie Mar 2016 #17
I voted for and supported Bernie but the #s are what they are .... end of story Botany Mar 2016 #18
Nearly every day, I see comments Bettie Mar 2016 #22
Thank you! Botany Mar 2016 #23
Oh, I don't really Bettie Mar 2016 #27
I find some of team Clinton's tactics pretty sleazy Botany Mar 2016 #29
welcome to ignore. life is too short to deal with bad math skills Hiraeth Mar 2016 #19
Bernie hit his projection for last night. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #20
I hope you are right and I am wrong Botany Mar 2016 #24
So did Hillary so last night was a wash. Kaleva Mar 2016 #25

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
1. The Superdeedooperdelegates mean it was all a sham?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:02 AM
Mar 2016


The numbers don't look good, though. Thanks for putting them together, Botany.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Hiya, Botany!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:34 AM
Mar 2016

Doc, don't worry. I know you have been on this case since Florida was on the horizon.

Even if you were for Hillary, I'd always respect you and appreciate what you have to write and share.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
13. At one time I banned from both the Bernie and Hillary groups @ DU
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:57 AM
Mar 2016


Although the Bernie group dropped my ban.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
14. Up in arms over Arizona, all be.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

Here's the Original Arizona White Power Vote Suppressor Supreme, in all his Sgt. Pepper glory:





[font size="5"]Just our Bill[/font size]

By Dennis Roddy
Saturday, December 02, 2000

Lito Pena is sure of his memory. Thirty-six years ago he, then a Democratic Party poll watcher, got into a shoving match with a Republican who had spent the opening hours of the 1964 election doing his damnedest to keep people from voting in south Phoenix.

"He was holding up minority voters because he knew they were going to vote Democratic," said Pena.

The guy called himself Bill. He knew the law and applied it with the precision of a swordsman. He sat at the table at the Bethune School, a polling place brimming with black citizens, and quizzed voters ad nauseam about where they were from, how long they'd lived there -- every question in the book. A passage of the Constitution was read and people who spoke broken English were ordered to interpret it to prove they had the language skills to vote.

By the time Pena arrived at Bethune, he said, the line to vote was four abreast and a block long. People were giving up and going home.

SNIP…

Party leaders told him not to get physical, but this was the second straight election in which Republicans had sent out people to intellectually rough up the voters. The project even had a name: Operation Eagle Eye.

CONTINUED…

http://old.post-gazette.com/columnists/20001202roddy.asp



OP from 2004 (can you believe how time flies?): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2414083

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
5. You didn't know that superduperdelegates get to vote twice.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:14 AM
Mar 2016

Haha. I've been calling them superduperdelegates for a while now. I can also predict the future.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. How would a patriot act?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:39 AM
Mar 2016


Of all the Studs in the Scud multiverse, no one knows how to voice every vote twice like Wolf Blitzer.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
4. it will be over
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:07 AM
Mar 2016

When one of the candidates crosses the threshold of candidates needed or drops out. You are talking about probabilities not facts.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
6. I voted for and supported Bernie but the #s are what they are .... end of story
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:14 AM
Mar 2016

If the national trends continue then HRC should have the needed #s by
the PA primary.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
12. donating again
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:43 AM
Mar 2016

Won't the rest of the Sanders' supporters join me.
Every time someone calls for him to quit, donate.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
21. I voted for and supported Bernie but the #s are what they are .... end of story
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:37 PM
Mar 2016

I never called on him to quit and I think he does more good by staying in the race.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
26. Did you add super delegates?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

Super delegate 'math' is dishonest to it's core ...

Because I've known you for a very long time here. I will not ignore you, but I question the judgement to use Super Delegate mathematics in this ....

It is a false conclusion based on false premises.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
17. Is this your warning that
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

those of us who have supported anyone other than Clinton are about to be purged from the party as we are undesirables?

Botany

(70,501 posts)
18. I voted for and supported Bernie but the #s are what they are .... end of story
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

how you got something about purging people from the party from my
post I don't know

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
22. Nearly every day, I see comments
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

about the upcoming purge.

Also, commentary about how those of us who prefer Sanders aren't welcome in the party. How we are neither needed nor wanted in the party and/or general election.

Just a little sensitive today, I guess. Sorry I misinterpreted your intention. Just too much time in the snake pit, I guess.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
27. Oh, I don't really
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:07 PM
Mar 2016

think Sanders will be the nominee.

But, I do think that he needs to stick around to keep the conversation going.

Because, make no mistake, when he leaves, even lip service to things that benefit actual human people who are not in the 1% will be gone.

Yeah, I'll vote for Clinton in the general, if she is the nominee, but it won't be with enthusiasm or even hope. It will be with resignation that my kids will not do better than their parents.

Plus, I have young teen boys. I fear them getting sucked into the war machine. I don't want my kids or anyone else's kids to die for lies and profit.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
20. Bernie hit his projection for last night.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

He's still on the path to victory according to Nate Silver.

And your math includes super delegates as I'm sure you know. Its premature to include them.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
24. I hope you are right and I am wrong
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar 2016

But to me super delegates look like perks for party insiders and I don't think you
can call Bernie a party insider by any means.

I wish you well.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
25. So did Hillary so last night was a wash.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

Both sides hitting their targets means the they'll be tied in pledged delegates come convention time. And that's when HRC's commanding lead in super delegates comes into play.

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