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Hey DNC, we are big enough to be a third party... (Original Post) Playinghardball Mar 2016 OP
Heil President Trump metroins Mar 2016 #1
No Sanders is not that popular: He appeals to be people that want free college! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #16
Reagan couldn't have said it better! Beowulf Mar 2016 #31
Their is no such thing as free college: someone has to pay lewebley3 Mar 2016 #134
Yes. Beowulf Mar 2016 #172
So is free money is popular: There are not votes in Senate for it or free lewebley3 Mar 2016 #268
Well you're the one using the term "free college"... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #205
AS financial transaction tax would pay for it n/t eridani Mar 2016 #224
He usess the word free for a reason: to attract people lewebley3 Mar 2016 #254
He uses the PHRASE "tuition free"... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #260
Free is what young people who want college hear. lewebley3 Mar 2016 #263
Do you want more innovation, more ideas realized? PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #270
Yes, and the Clinton's did deliver on all helping people colleges: pell grants etc lewebley3 Mar 2016 #271
The Clintons delivered Pell Grants on what planet? dr60omg Mar 2016 #280
You need to go the lib: and look up the Clinton budgets they helped the middle class: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #282
Oh, the horror! ljm2002 Mar 2016 #272
A proposal that has gone nowwhere in the Senate: and will not go anywhere lewebley3 Mar 2016 #274
And what kind of dickhead would deny them this simple wish? I mean, besides Republicans? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #287
Its not a simple wish at all: that is why Sanders is a fraud: He is an empty suit lewebley3 Apr 2016 #292
You really have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody says free, because Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #302
Wolf Bitzer; Quoted Sanders at the Debate: he promised everyone free college lewebley3 Apr 2016 #307
NO, tuition free which means it is paid for thru taxes like other civilized nations. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #308
"He talks about tuition-free public colleges and universities. " MADem Apr 2016 #286
+1 rock Apr 2016 #306
Democrats for the Oligarchy! Eom noiretextatique Mar 2016 #240
Dem is are for the people: Sanders for free handouts: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #253
I for full sentence DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #289
Democrats are not for Oligarchy: that is the GOP party lewebley3 Mar 2016 #278
The GOP are for every Ollgarchy: You are just repeating. Sanders propaganda lewebley3 Apr 2016 #309
Not this argument again coyote Mar 2016 #250
Who is we: The middle class can't pay and the GOP won't pay lewebley3 Mar 2016 #252
Spelling actually does count in posts about higher education. I'm standing by that one. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #288
American people are angry about the poor education in primary schools: lewebley3 Apr 2016 #291
Hmmm mindem Apr 2016 #301
Thanks Rush. Good to know. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #48
You would jump on HIllary for fake promises lewebley3 Mar 2016 #149
The "free stuff" right wing meme lives on here at DU. Thanks for dumping on college students. think Mar 2016 #60
its already free squirecam Mar 2016 #195
Free? You mean like the protection mega corporations get from the US military all around the world? think Mar 2016 #197
and? squirecam Mar 2016 #201
Yes. And over 8% of vets are currently homeless. We don't do enough for our vets. If we're willing think Mar 2016 #206
okay... squirecam Mar 2016 #210
IT IS NOT FREE. WE VETS GAVE UP LIFE, LIMB AND OUR TIME TO SERVE. IT WAS NEVER FREE. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #232
Ok for the very first time on this site from me - Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #249
point still applies squirecam Mar 2016 #258
Obviously you've never served - Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #261
You made no points civilian. Your time for service in exchange of for college is in essence barter. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #269
Would it burst your bubble if I said I have $0 college debt and yet want Sander's tuition-free JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #67
+1 Matariki Mar 2016 #89
Yep. I actually never had college debt so as a millenial "bernie bro" I throw a real wrench JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #152
There are no votes for free college in the Senate: I want free money too: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #140
And your real agenda shows its... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #207
And amending things counts also. -none Mar 2016 #214
Me too. It's a Republican right wing philosophy to think that everything in life should be GoneFishin Mar 2016 #216
They always, and I mean fucking always have more money for weapons, but they make up GoneFishin Mar 2016 #217
Yeah, yeah. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #70
Where do you live? I lived all my life in CA and our public colleges and Universities were free! bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #82
Yes, I remember when that was! BuelahWitch Mar 2016 #196
Oh, you mean free college like we had before and like many advanced nations have? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #74
Socialist counties: and the College was never free: tax payers paid lewebley3 Mar 2016 #132
Yes, we understand how taxes work. We're saying free at the time of study. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #153
What a policy wonk you are! frylock Mar 2016 #182
I'm too old to go to college so what you gonna say to me bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #80
Your dawn to nice old grandpas: Also you are never told to learn lewebley3 Mar 2016 #124
Sanders has received more votes from voters under 30 than Clinton and Trump combined. obamneycare Mar 2016 #81
Mosty white males lewebley3 Mar 2016 #121
Don't discourage great ideas. Hortensis Mar 2016 #102
If Hillary were giving Sanders promise you would call her a liar lewebley3 Mar 2016 #119
I don't know what that means, but Hortensis Mar 2016 #136
Sanders people done just that for Hillary being a party Dem lewebley3 Mar 2016 #137
Yes, they did and do. And as a result, they Hortensis Mar 2016 #192
I hope most Hillary supporters are more literate than you appear to be... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #208
And the jury is in.... Matt_in_STL Mar 2016 #242
Thanks for letting me know... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #259
Its not ideal: its a Sanders fraudulent promise: that the he is using lewebley3 Apr 2016 #294
Education without Spirochete Mar 2016 #106
The Clinton's know how to grow the economy and pull the country out of Debt lewebley3 Mar 2016 #117
Oh really Carolina Mar 2016 #139
Yes: Really: History is that they did it: 22m jobs: 7.4m out of proverty lewebley3 Mar 2016 #141
More into Carolina Mar 2016 #145
Clinton budget 1993 ended poverty for most American: Bush put American lewebley3 Mar 2016 #146
Sure Carolina Mar 2016 #150
Just fact: You can check numbers: The Clinton Adm was one of the most lewebley3 Mar 2016 #151
I know the history Carolina Mar 2016 #173
Thank you TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #213
No lewbley Glass-Stegall was one o Clintons hallmarks dr60omg Mar 2016 #283
No, it is not a hallmark of Clinton's: Its only a hallmark to left wing tea baggers: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #285
You ever hear of the tech boom? frylock Mar 2016 #184
Obama made the bulk of Bush's tax cuts PERMANENT... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #211
Obama worked for deal that was best for the counrty: Obama won somethings too! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #264
You said... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #273
Bottom line Obama raised taxes on the rich : that makes him progressive lewebley3 Mar 2016 #275
...for the 1%. KPN Mar 2016 #218
Heavy debt is not good for anyone: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #144
No, likes debt: but Sanders making false promises that he cannot deliver of free college: lewebley3 Apr 2016 #295
Another Rand Paul supporter who likes Hillary! pinebox Mar 2016 #107
I am Dem I support only Dem's: Hillary is the best leader for the job lewebley3 Mar 2016 #118
Bullshit. Own it. I just showed you how you align with Rand Paul. pinebox Mar 2016 #168
Have voted Dem and worked for Dem's since I was 18: never vote otherwise lewebley3 Mar 2016 #255
Doesn't matter, you spout off RW talking points. Maybe you "evolved" like Hillary. pinebox Mar 2016 #256
Wrong: Liberal Dem and have worked hard getting progressive caucus elected lewebley3 Mar 2016 #267
I have to laugh pinebox Apr 2016 #298
NO: I am Dem: and I only support Dem's: Hillary's they only choice lewebley3 Apr 2016 #296
Got any more Freeper talking points for us? How much more WAR and CLIMATE CHANGE do you want Lorien Mar 2016 #166
How many aircraft carriers do we have now? DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #226
Say hi to Dave Brock when you get back to the office. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #293
Moi, je sais...Tout ça, c'est de la foutaise. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #21
it sure is DrDan Mar 2016 #55
N'est-ce pas, mon cher docteur ! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #68
American Only! This be America! ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #156
Just agreeing with the good doctor! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #164
Why were you talking about me??? 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #174
Conspiracy alert, conspiracy alert! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #179
My response to these "concerned" people is, generally, ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #181
"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep..." Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #183
Especially in those of hateful seed and hidden deeds. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #185
+1 ! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #186
The DNC runs a corrupt, rigged primary Beowulf Mar 2016 #43
Be Gone!!!!! asuhornets Mar 2016 #49
Not surprising LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #108
Hillary is winning asuhornets Mar 2016 #111
I can't wait to link to this post when she loses in the GE. frylock Mar 2016 #187
so u not voting for her? n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #199
Well if that's your attitude when the GE rolls around... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #212
I don't wish for anyone asuhornets Mar 2016 #219
Qualified for what? Maybe the bad judgement Hall of Fame pinebox Mar 2016 #233
Stop repeating asuhornets Mar 2016 #234
Quit denying reality pinebox Mar 2016 #241
Talking about running a 3rd party is a spoiler... metroins Mar 2016 #65
Why do you think I'm only referring to Arizona? Beowulf Mar 2016 #167
Welcome to the American election system metroins Mar 2016 #171
Evidence? Renew Deal Mar 2016 #103
Open your eyes. Beowulf Mar 2016 #169
So you made it up Renew Deal Mar 2016 #175
Yes, that's right. Beowulf Mar 2016 #194
The Democrats helped put him where he is today. They may as well own it out right. TalkingDog Mar 2016 #71
The Democrats can easily beat Trump metroins Mar 2016 #76
Clinton as a nominee = president Trump. basselope Mar 2016 #125
Any Democrat can beat Trump n/t metroins Mar 2016 #158
Sadly, no. basselope Mar 2016 #161
Please elaborate on such game. metroins Mar 2016 #163
It's called winning the primary. basselope Mar 2016 #180
!!!! riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #209
The stunts in AZ have ENSURED a win for Trump if Clinton steals the nomination Lorien Mar 2016 #143
GOP Secretary of State metroins Mar 2016 #159
Keep in mind there are also a lot of people trying decide BETWEEN Bernie and Trump. basselope Mar 2016 #165
yes, exactly amborin Mar 2016 #266
I don't believe you should blame Sanders supporters monicaangela Mar 2016 #154
Do you see me blaming Sanders supporters? metroins Mar 2016 #160
I could have sworn you said Heil President Trump monicaangela Mar 2016 #220
I think we are witnessing NowSam Mar 2016 #2
the Democratic Socialists! New Earth Mar 2016 #4
FYI, they already exist and would LOVE to have your support. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #28
I'm on board n/t SheenaR Mar 2016 #37
They obviously need new members...your membership would be welcome, I'm sure. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #50
Condescension Aside SheenaR Mar 2016 #123
Their "political praxis", as Cornell West so aptly says, is admirable. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #135
You should smile. I certainly am. Bubzer Mar 2016 #41
Good gawd... SoapBox Mar 2016 #54
And it's going to get worse... Bubzer Mar 2016 #57
Hey, thanks for the heads up! I love juror N°7's comment... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #58
DSA SoapBox Mar 2016 #42
Sounds like a really viable, vibrant organization... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #77
Social Democrats is perfectly descriptive. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #6
Social Democrats, Democrats, Republicans, Conservative Republicans (Trump's camp?) blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #176
Yup! SoapBox Mar 2016 #9
I don't know if I agree that the GOP will be gone. stillwaiting Mar 2016 #19
Wrong: Dem party is getting strong: and more liberal things are going to get done lewebley3 Mar 2016 #22
ROFL revbones Mar 2016 #26
You were saying something about intelligent and respectful discourse... DanTex Mar 2016 #99
As shown, that's quite hard given the comment I was responding to... nt revbones Mar 2016 #112
I can tell how much of a struggle it must have been for you. DanTex Mar 2016 #114
Also, I wasn't claiming to be looking for "political discourse" in that comment, revbones Mar 2016 #122
Probably a good call. Stick to the smilies. DanTex Mar 2016 #129
Yeah, learned my lesson about responding to posts that aren't worth more than that... nt revbones Mar 2016 #148
Oh my gawd! SoapBox Mar 2016 #39
Right after her re-election in 2020 frylock Mar 2016 #191
Ignore... litlbilly Mar 2016 #44
If you" Ignore" why did you reply: you don't make sense lewebley3 Mar 2016 #127
OMFG. (nt) CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #45
Oh! Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #51
yup eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #105
Comedy gold! frylock Mar 2016 #190
Gotta hand it to you, you never give up. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #193
I am like Hillary I am loyal Dem: We don't throw tempers: We fight on! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #265
Well hey, Wasserman-Schultz and Clinton both have shot that in the foot. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #281
No, they have not shot themselves in the foot: Only Sanders people think that nonsense lewebley3 Mar 2016 #284
The central value of the new liberal party is democracy. senz Mar 2016 #29
+1000000 SoapBox Mar 2016 #35
Progressive Populist Party. :) RiverLover Mar 2016 #72
It's about time! budkin Mar 2016 #38
Careful. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #3
Good point. dchill Mar 2016 #8
I can already heard the "Nader" dogwhistles from the Weathervane camp. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #236
Ouch. True enough to be a look at the future. jwirr Mar 2016 #5
Jury results are in! SoapBox Mar 2016 #7
Pleasure to serve on a jury with you, SoapBox! senz Mar 2016 #14
Absolutely! SoapBox Mar 2016 #62
This is a site for Democrats. social democrats. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #15
Some charmer alerted on your OP senz Mar 2016 #10
Some CHARMER... SoapBox Mar 2016 #13
Carry on ... In_The_Wind Mar 2016 #11
Sweet of you to format it for ease of reading. senz Mar 2016 #17
I've been posting jury results for years. In_The_Wind Mar 2016 #147
Best of luck! zappaman Mar 2016 #12
Same to you and your party of aging, increasingly out of touch, zombies whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #20
Fortunately, for the DU splinter group, an alternate infrastructure is ALREADY in existence... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #91
I think we will see that, in my lifetime. Nature abhors a vacuum, a vacuum has been created Autumn Mar 2016 #18
Thank you Autmn! SoapBox Mar 2016 #33
I think it will be VERY soon (nt) Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #128
So Bernie wins the primary/caucus.. and its time to run the general.. Peacetrain Mar 2016 #23
His future party already exists... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #95
Go for it, already! Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #24
The fracking corporatists who demand my vote Yuugal Mar 2016 #96
FINE! Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #98
After the convention, after the convention ... (nt) Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #133
Why wait? Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #138
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #25
Bernocrats? Playinghardball Mar 2016 #30
Don't alienate those who might cross over from the right, though Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #130
....... sufrommich Mar 2016 #27
the sanders crowd reveals its true self nt msongs Mar 2016 #32
I knew it all along workinclasszero Mar 2016 #86
You wanna really make noise against the DNC? DinahMoeHum Mar 2016 #34
That's a start and a worthy cause, but this is bigger than her. senz Mar 2016 #64
Mhm SheenaR Mar 2016 #36
third party.. HughLefty1 Mar 2016 #40
I have also advocated a 4 candidate general election BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #47
Electoral college. dogman Mar 2016 #52
If Hillary is the candidate and loses the general randr Mar 2016 #46
So this is a TOS violation IMO. Agschmid Mar 2016 #53
Look up thread,it passed a jury. Do what I did,send sufrommich Mar 2016 #56
The GOP thanks you. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #59
Bernie always was a third party wasn't he? fun n serious Mar 2016 #61
TOS OKNancy Mar 2016 #63
Friendly suggestion?? Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #93
Hillary is our conservative opponent BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #97
Oh my alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #66
Yikes ... salinsky Mar 2016 #69
Bernie poll-tested all his platforms, to make sure they were popular among Millennials. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #73
Wow, what a ringing endorsement of the status quo. Maedhros Mar 2016 #83
The only way to challenge the status quo is to actually vote hack89 Mar 2016 #87
Right back at you. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #88
Jill Stein is better than Bernie and she can't get any traction. Even Bernie knew he needed to run seaglass Mar 2016 #75
Bernie only gives voice to what we already know. He is important only FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #110
Hillary is losing up to 85% of all millenials, the dnc, thirdwayers etc, are all but fking dead. litlbilly Mar 2016 #188
And the fact that none of the Hill Shills can or wont see that is just amazing to me. litlbilly Mar 2016 #189
That is too bad. It appears they aren't voting in big numbers. That doesn't bode well seaglass Mar 2016 #200
really? look at all the caucus states. they are showing up in record numbers. litlbilly Mar 2016 #203
Huge numbers of primariers in my state Hydra Mar 2016 #222
By all means, ignore us! Maedhros Apr 2016 #303
Now, if only you can figure out how to get to the polls, we might be afraid brooklynite Mar 2016 #78
Go for it, I didn't like your ball anyways. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #79
I beg to differ KingFlorez Mar 2016 #84
It will be a coalition of the entire left, in solidarity with Greens and other progressive parties Zorra Mar 2016 #116
ADIOS MUCHACOS......LOL Trust Buster Mar 2016 #85
When does 3rdPartyUnderground go live? JoePhilly Mar 2016 #90
Good one, Joe! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #100
If they can't get that site off the ground ... I don't see much hope for their new party. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #104
Just send money! They can use Bernie's data bases to find their donors...! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #109
Probably shortly after Sanders campaign ends HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #204
Well, if memory serves, JPR was meant to do that after the Sanders campaign. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #237
I don't think JPR = the progressive movement inside the democratic party HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #238
Ahhhhh, good point. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #239
Right, it's the DNC's fault BainsBane Mar 2016 #92
To hell with the will of the majority in elections Sheepshank Mar 2016 #94
Best wishes Renew Deal Mar 2016 #101
Is this based on the winning formula of the OWS Party? randome Mar 2016 #113
Juste un dernier mot....thanks SO much for this thread. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #115
Working Families Party already exists in some states Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #120
It exists in states that allow fusion voting eridani Mar 2016 #225
I always vote on their line, though, to send a message Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #230
Didn't the Dems only adopt planks from the populist party (was it?) vintx Mar 2016 #126
Or doesn't give a shit about the country treestar Mar 2016 #131
Go ahead, make my day. oasis Mar 2016 #142
That's the second time today, I've seen this sentiment ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #155
I've bout had enough of this crap Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #157
43% of voters are now Independents, biggest electoral block now. riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #162
I know Bernie wins 70/30 against Trump. blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #178
Do not do this if you live in a state that has closed primaries. Indies can't vote in primaries. jillan Mar 2016 #170
Now we know who to blame if the Democrat loses in November Renew Deal Mar 2016 #177
You can blame the DNC & party elites & the media for pushing a purchased corporate Dem on US. /nt RiverLover Mar 2016 #223
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #198
Not there yet HassleCat Mar 2016 #202
Bernie has come up with a brilliant scheme redstateblues Mar 2016 #215
lol... more temper tantrum... sigh uponit7771 Mar 2016 #221
So, The Revolution (™) is going to run the entire Government with Bernie Sanders? brooklynite Mar 2016 #227
Ok this post yesterday got me thinking about something I remembered reading about the New Deal. vintx Mar 2016 #228
Why not change the DNC? Amimnoch Mar 2016 #229
and we don't need to suck corporate teats like them! Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #231
Just Maybe colsohlibgal Mar 2016 #235
Damn Play, this thread reminds me of the French revolution Autumn Mar 2016 #243
Amazing huh? Playinghardball Mar 2016 #246
Nah it's par for the course anymore. Autumn Mar 2016 #247
I have to agree... LOL Playinghardball Mar 2016 #248
The 'Not Hillary' Party's time is about up. onehandle Mar 2016 #244
The Democratic Party stopped representing its former political base long ago AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #245
I don't know who or what the Democratic party represents nolabels Apr 2016 #297
Are we leaving the Democratic Party ... Martin Eden Mar 2016 #251
A better approach is to force the Third Way out Samantha Mar 2016 #257
Except neither the Dems or the 3rd party would get 270 electoral votes. pnwmom Mar 2016 #262
They don't care. They don't need liberal retards. They'll rely on 'sane' republicans to vote for her haikugal Mar 2016 #276
Sanders insisted he would not run as anything other than a Democrat. LisaM Mar 2016 #277
A third party can form without Sanders...[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #305
Since the Clinton's cheat Politicalboi Mar 2016 #279
you can't be this dumb bigtree Apr 2016 #290
I support Bernie Sanders. If he loses the nomination and goes third party, I will turn my back on... marble falls Apr 2016 #299
Open Invite demwing Apr 2016 #300
So, then the center left and left consistently lose and we have endless Republican presidents. Zynx Apr 2016 #304
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
16. No Sanders is not that popular: He appeals to be people that want free college!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

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Beowulf

(761 posts)
172. Yes.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:52 PM
Mar 2016

That's why we have taxes...to fund things that are in the best interests of the public. A debt-free, educated populace is, to my mind, in the public interest.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
268. So is free money is popular: There are not votes in Senate for it or free
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:04 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:38 PM - Edit history (1)

college.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
205. Well you're the one using the term "free college"...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:57 PM
Mar 2016

...Bernie does not use those words. He talks about tuition-free public colleges and universities.

He also specifies exactly how it will be paid for, by a transaction tax on Wall Street's high-speed trading. This is all outlined on his site, including a pdf that gets into some of the gnarly details.

I assume that a man who has been the ranking member of the Budget Committee might, just maybe, know a thing or two about how things are funded.

I am so, so weary of the lies that people spout so freely. NO ONE THINKS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PAID FOR; THE QUESTION IS, WHO SHOULD PAY FOR IT? There, is that a little more CLEAR FOR YOU?????????

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
260. He uses the PHRASE "tuition free"...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

...because that is the policy that he supports and will fight for. He funds it with a transaction tax on Wall Street, a proven technique that is already being used in a few other countries.

If the idea of tuition free public colleges and universities is attractive to people, why is that a bad thing? I guess you must be one of those who think it's fine that we in the USA can't have nice thing like other countries ALREADY HAVE, such as universal health care and tuition free public colleges and universities. Too many wars to pay for, and we might need (!) another one...

You apparently think the young people who might benefit directly are the only ones who like this idea. Well this old gal won't benefit directly at all but I am ALL FOR IT.

Do you think that a politician who is running for office should downplay their attractive ideas? I guess you won't be advising any campaigns any time soon!

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
270. Do you want more innovation, more ideas realized?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:14 PM
Mar 2016

College will help give those kids the tools to help strike out on their own instead of becoming wage slaves enriching the pockets of the ultra-rich who are major investors in companies like Dupont, General Electric and others.
I want more tech companies et others creating revolutionary things, creating new jobs, mitigating the DAMAGE these ultra mergers have done by firing god knows how many people to enrich a small set of the investor class.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
271. Yes, and the Clinton's did deliver on all helping people colleges: pell grants etc
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:29 PM
Mar 2016


The Clinton's will get something done: Sanders free promises are empty:
he is a talker and he has never delivered.

dr60omg

(283 posts)
280. The Clintons delivered Pell Grants on what planet?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders does not make empty promises did you ever read into the transformation of Burlington?
How about some of the legislation he has passed? How about being consistent over time?

And how about those Pell Grants? In 1994 destroying one of the few lifelines for prisoners to change their life by going to school? https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2015/jul/31/pell-grants-prisoners-new-bill-restores-hope-reinstating-college-programs/

The Clintons have continued in the efforts to privatize education and transform public education into a neoliberal model

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
282. You need to go the lib: and look up the Clinton budgets they helped the middle class:
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:18 PM
Mar 2016


Including having money in the budget for colleges.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
272. Oh, the horror!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie's proposal for tuition-free public colleges and universities appeals to young people who might benefit from it. Gasp!!

How dare he use the word "free" to describe something that will, in fact, be free to students. Why can't he be honest with them and level with them that those poor, struggling Wall Street firms will be the ones actually paying for it!

How dare he even propose something that other advanced nations already do, and that we already did in the past at least in some states like California.

At this point your insistence on trying to make this some awful thing that Bernie is doing, simply makes me laugh out loud, it is so ludicrous.

The most basic difference, as I see it, between Bernie and Hillary is this: he has bold ideas, she has timid ideas. He will do big things, she will tinker around the edges.

"What you can do or think you can, begin it; for boldness has genius, power and magic in it". --Goethe

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
302. You really have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody says free, because
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

if they do people like you and most GOP will jump all over it.

Our taxes pay for education, always have.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
307. Wolf Bitzer; Quoted Sanders at the Debate: he promised everyone free college
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:19 PM
Apr 2016

He has said it over and over: your the one not kowning what you are
talking about

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
308. NO, tuition free which means it is paid for thru taxes like other civilized nations.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

HC is free access via taxes, if you are doing it right.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
286. "He talks about tuition-free public colleges and universities. "
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:48 PM
Apr 2016

Sounds like FREE COLLEGE to me.

You have to live somewhere, if you're going to college or not. Just because he's not paying for your dorm room or your contribution to the household bills in mom's basement, doesn't mean that education--the "tuition" part -- isn't touted as being free.

It will NEVER happen. Congress will not do it. They might make it very affordable, though. One day.

It won't help all those kids in that crowd, though.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
253. Dem is are for the people: Sanders for free handouts:
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:00 PM
Mar 2016

Dem's are workers: they are for a mix economy: not
for free handouts:
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
291. American people are angry about the poor education in primary schools:
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016


and the GOP are doing everything to destroy public schools:
its crazy to suggest that there are any votes for free college
for everyone in the Senate or the country : Sanders promises
are fraudulent.

mindem

(1,580 posts)
301. Hmmm
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:36 PM
Apr 2016

People who go to college can tell the difference between their and there - and you're judging.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
60. The "free stuff" right wing meme lives on here at DU. Thanks for dumping on college students.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

while they struggle with the soaring cost of college tuition in America.


 

think

(11,641 posts)
197. Free? You mean like the protection mega corporations get from the US military all around the world?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

while they squirrel away their money in foreign havens to avoid taxes?



squirecam

(2,706 posts)
201. and?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:46 PM
Mar 2016

So what's your point?

College is free if you join the armed services.

Smedley's views notwithstanding, its a good deal.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
206. Yes. And over 8% of vets are currently homeless. We don't do enough for our vets. If we're willing
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:58 PM
Mar 2016

to send our men and women to war we should be willing to make sure they are taken care of when they return.

And yes, the American people should make sure anyone who works hard to go to college should be able to go and not have to mortgage their life in order to do so.

Sanders would put a small tax on stock transactions to make sure college is affordable. Right now high frequency traders are basically taxing these stock trades already by skimming a cut while adding no value to the system other than to line their own pockets.

I'd rather see these trades be taxed; albeit a little higher than the skimmers but still just a fractional amount; and have that money used to ensure Americans can get an education they can afford to obtain.

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
210. okay...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:06 PM
Mar 2016

Agree 1000% as to taking care of our vets.

But you haven't really addressed/keep ignoring my point.

College is already free to those willing to serve. It has been that way for decades.
You can study what you want and gain valuable skills + a paycheck.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
232. IT IS NOT FREE. WE VETS GAVE UP LIFE, LIMB AND OUR TIME TO SERVE. IT WAS NEVER FREE.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:17 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:28 PM - Edit history (1)

WE PAID FOR IT IN WAYS YOU CANNOT IMAGINE.

(INSERT MULTIPLE DECRIPTIVE EXPELTIVES HERE)

Fucking "free"

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
249. Ok for the very first time on this site from me -
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:41 PM
Mar 2016

SCREW YOU.

I'll tell my husband when he gets up that his college was free. I'm sure he would take that really well, considering his hearing loss from heavy artillery, but he'll have to put in his ear appliances first.






squirecam

(2,706 posts)
258. point still applies
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:18 PM
Mar 2016

His service (which I thank him for) and his injury (which I am sorry for) does not change the facts nor the point I was making.

He, in fact, could go to college paid for by the government.

There is a pathway for those who cannot pay for college. It involves service, and obviously some risks.

As for your personal attack, out of deference to those who have served I will not respond in kind.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
269. You made no points civilian. Your time for service in exchange of for college is in essence barter.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:10 PM
Mar 2016

You lose.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
67. Would it burst your bubble if I said I have $0 college debt and yet want Sander's tuition-free
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

college to be passed into law?

I suppose it might.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
89. +1
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:10 PM
Mar 2016

Same here.

Some of us rightly see it as keeping the US competitive with the rest of the 'developed' world.

And also understand how expensive college tuition furthers class divide and/or creates a class of people who become more or less indentured servants to the people who own the banks.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
152. Yep. I actually never had college debt so as a millenial "bernie bro" I throw a real wrench
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

into the stereotypes of young people wanting "free stuff".

Very sad for the ever-popular meme.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
140. There are no votes for free college in the Senate: I want free money too:
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016


Hillary may be able to get into a bill more affordable college:
and she will have to get votes from Dem's

Sanders has never passed a bill: he only amends things

Sanders has no accomplishments in the Senate, he is
hot air.

-none

(1,884 posts)
214. And amending things counts also.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:15 PM
Mar 2016

With a grid locked Republican Congress, that is the only way to get anything done. It stops the worst of the bad bills Republicans keep trying to pass.
Your post contains more hot air than Sanders.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
216. Me too. It's a Republican right wing philosophy to think that everything in life should be
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:17 PM
Mar 2016

piratized. People here who defend gouging people for college are selfish assholes with Republican leanings.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
217. They always, and I mean fucking always have more money for weapons, but they make up
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:24 PM
Mar 2016

pathetic, lame-ass excuses for why no services should ever, ever go back to average Americans to improve their lives. Everything is designed to keep Americans stretched so thin that they don't have enough money to do anything without borrowing the money and paying interest to the banks.

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
70. Yeah, yeah.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

'Free stuff' and 'wanting unicorns'

I'm SO tired of hearing these things when someone suggests that we put programs in place that will bring the U.S. up to the level of all the other civilized, first-world countries.

These things are done all over the globe. It's not really that difficult. We give Israel Millions of dollars a year and they have universal healthcare. If it's SO hard let's keep that money here and do it ourselves. It can't be that difficult if we are paying OTHER countries to do it.

Of course, if we keep electing officials that say 'No we can't' before they are even elected, this shit will never get done.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
82. Where do you live? I lived all my life in CA and our public colleges and Universities were free!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

Don't tell me it can't be done!

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
196. Yes, I remember when that was!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:21 PM
Mar 2016

A work friend of mine moved from Utah to CA to get a free education in the late '80s.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
74. Oh, you mean free college like we had before and like many advanced nations have?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar 2016

We used to have free college, back when we really were #1 in the world. California had free college until Reagan didn't like it and started charging. It was Thomas Jefferson who started the first land grant colleges. It's an AMERICAN tradition.

Great way for the USA to fall behind when we don't offer college and others do.

We didn't used to offer high school a long time ago.

You sure seem to want the country to fail!

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
153. Yes, we understand how taxes work. We're saying free at the time of study.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:26 PM
Mar 2016

The point is it creates a more dynamic workforce so that young people can work on what they are passionate about rather than be tied down with mountains of debt.

 

obamneycare

(40 posts)
81. Sanders has received more votes from voters under 30 than Clinton and Trump combined.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:02 PM
Mar 2016

[img][/img]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-us-election-2016-dominance-among-young-voters-chart-a6938911.html

...


Consider, for a moment, what that means for the future of American politics.

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http://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/age_structure.html


Let's play out some very foreseeable hypotheticals. Four to eight more years of an incrementalist approach (that is constantly blocked by an obstructionist Congress) fails to bring these "free college" freeloaders the relief that they seek. Continued failure to address widening inequality or its structural causes (globalization and automation), or the corrupt political system that keeps it in place, further animates this demographic, whose political identities were formed around Bernie Sanders' 2016 presidential campaign. Four to eight years of aging and experience with the political system transforms this under-30 demographic into an under-34 and an under-38 demographic, that is better-equipped to register to vote and turnout for elections. Four to eight years of aging sees the thinning out of the baby boomer generation (in 2020 and 2024, U.S. Life expectancy will be about 79.5-80 years of age), that has so reliably turned out for Hillary Clinton in these primaries.

... What then, is the future for this Third Way/DLC Democratic Party? How will it be sustained?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
102. Don't discourage great ideas.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:27 PM
Mar 2016

Go! Be great, BSers. This IS your big chance to refuse to be marginalized as always. Go be a Party!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
136. I don't know what that means, but
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:55 PM
Mar 2016

you are wrong anyway. People like me don't villainize others just because they are opponents. That would be dishonest and dishonorable. I have two viable candidates I can vote for.

Notably -- that is because I have not turned one of them into an imaginary boogieman who threatens me from under the bed every night.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
192. Yes, they did and do. And as a result, they
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:45 PM
Mar 2016

are foolishly worrying themselves over imaginary disasters and helping the bad guys by trying to take out for them one of the only two good choices for leaders we have.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
208. I hope most Hillary supporters are more literate than you appear to be...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:04 PM
Mar 2016

...maybe when Bernie gets elected, you should avail yourself of some of that "free college" so you can learn to write in complete, proper sentences -- you know, grammar and stuff. If you can meet the admissions requirements. But you're probably one of those people who thinks "free college" means not only do you not have to pay tuition, but you don't have to meet any requirements either. That's what "free" means, right? AMIRITE???

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
242. And the jury is in....
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:14 AM
Mar 2016

On Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:02 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I hope most Hillary supporters are more literate than you appear to be...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1562891

REASON FOR ALERT

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

What a thoroughly nasty, insulting post. It's posts like this that give some supporters a bad rep for the obnoxious way they condescend to people who simply disagree with them. I hope the jury does the right thing here, this post is nothing but a lengthy insult.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:13 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Explanation: The poster to which the reply is pointed has been trolling the site consistently and poorly and has additionally racked up 8 hides on their transparency page. As such, I am inclined to let this post stand.
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
259. Thanks for letting me know...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016

...that was a close one!

Not that I'm too worried about hides. After all, we've all got amnesty, right? Right??

Well these days I have decided to dish it out. Tired of watching it dished out by so many people with thin skins who can dish it out all day long, but can't take a single post that dishes it back at them.

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
106. Education without
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

going heavily into debt is important. As you are obviously of such advanced intellect, you don't need college, other people need an education, and not all are well-off enough to afford it.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
117. The Clinton's know how to grow the economy and pull the country out of Debt
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:41 PM
Mar 2016

Obama is doing a good job as well: and he has brought back most
of the economy:

Its the GOP that crash the country with lower taxes on the rich
and a 3 trillion dollar war.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
139. Oh really
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

Bill's reversal of FDR's Glass-Steagall Banking Act led to the too big to fail crash 10 years later. Wall Street screwed the nation, got bailed out by our tax $$$ and suffered no consequences. And guess who owns the Clintons!

BTW, when FDR bailed out the banks, he nationalized them. We paid, we owned! Not so with our modern republicrats.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
141. Yes: Really: History is that they did it: 22m jobs: 7.4m out of proverty
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:06 PM
Mar 2016

Peace and a fantastic economy: Bushed crash everything:
deregulation was done by the GOP: They pulled the cops
out of the SEC to their friends could be rich off tax payers.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
146. Clinton budget 1993 ended poverty for most American: Bush put American
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:15 PM
Mar 2016

back into poverty and debt.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
173. I know the history
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:52 PM
Mar 2016

I was actually a staunch Clinton supporter until I realized that while we were distracted by all the investigations and trumped up scandals, Bill's policies (DLC policies) screwed us. Namely: NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, Welfare Deform, reversal of Glass-Steagall.

TrueDemVA

(250 posts)
213. Thank you
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

I use to defend Clinton until the damage from his administration's policies started taking affect. It hurts. Unfortunately, the Clinton's are looking out for corporations, not us. Hillare has changed her opinions so many times, it is difficult to believe what she says. I think this primary has done something special. It has brought out the real issues that people care about and gives hope for our future. Thank you Bernie for waking us up! Bernie is the only Democrat running!

dr60omg

(283 posts)
283. No lewbley Glass-Stegall was one o Clintons hallmarks
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:18 PM
Mar 2016

And that is just the beginning .... where do you get your history from?

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
285. No, it is not a hallmark of Clinton's: Its only a hallmark to left wing tea baggers:
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:30 PM
Mar 2016

like yourself: The Clintons left office with the country in the black:
everything after was Bushes and GOP work.

Bush could have move to protect investors and home buyers: he
and GOP people believed that the market would fixed everything
they were wrong: as they always are!

Its only Thom Hartman and left wing talk show listeners that push
the idea the Glass-Stegall was central to anything.

What was central to the crash is that Dem did not come out an vote: and
the GOP took-over: Hoover crash, Reagan SL crash, Bush 1st 58,000
factories sent over seas: Bush 2nd crash the economy and again because
huge taxes cuts and deregulation.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
211. Obama made the bulk of Bush's tax cuts PERMANENT...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:08 PM
Mar 2016

...as can be seen here:

http://www.cbpp.org/research/budget-deal-makes-permanent-82-percent-of-president-bushs-tax-cuts

"Budget Deal Makes Permanent 82 Percent of President Bush’s Tax Cuts"

His hands are not clean in that regard.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
264. Obama worked for deal that was best for the counrty: Obama won somethings too!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:38 PM
Mar 2016


That is why they call them" Budget Deals"


Sanders would have been taken to the Cleaner: he has never
been able to lead the Senate or make a deals that his party
could get done.

Sanders is an empty suit: but a nice old man: who has ideas like
most Dem's but he is just a talker.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
273. You said...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016

..."Its the GOP that crash the country with lower taxes on the rich and a 3 trillion dollar war."

(I will point out that grammatically, it should have been "It's" and "crashed&quot

Although I do not disagree with that remark, I did point out that Obama kept the great bulk of the tax cuts and made them permanent. You can talk all you want about how that happened, but it's still something that he did as President. Part of the record. "The buck stops here" and all that.

You of course have no idea how it would have worked out with Sanders as President; neither do I. So let's save the hypotheticals.

And finally, you just can't help yourself, you denigrate and insult Senator Sanders. "empty suit" "nice old man" (WTF?) "just a talker". You say volumes about yourself here, none of it good.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
295. No, likes debt: but Sanders making false promises that he cannot deliver of free college:
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:35 PM
Apr 2016

It shamefully dishonest : If Hillary were doing this she would be roasted
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
107. Another Rand Paul supporter who likes Hillary!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:32 PM
Mar 2016

That makes 2 today who are obvious Ron Paul supporters. I wonder how many more there are on DU?

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
168. Bullshit. Own it. I just showed you how you align with Rand Paul.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:48 PM
Mar 2016

Sorry but aren't a Dem. Not by a long shot. Not when you spout off Rand Paul talking points.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
267. Wrong: Liberal Dem and have worked hard getting progressive caucus elected
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:02 PM
Mar 2016


Obama is the leader of the liberals party, the Dem party:
Dem party will never evolve into a socialist party.

Sanders and you are not Dem's: So it's you that have
to evolve in to more open minded views.

Obama and other Dem's have wide open tent: ideologues
are not Dem's or liberals.
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
298. I have to laugh
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:05 PM
Apr 2016

at how you cite Obama and yet side with Hillary.

You call us ideologues? I call us progressives who believe that corporate Dems are THEE problem. See, it's like this; Republicans will always be against progressives but Dems have moved so far right that Reagan now fits under their banner. Remember that battle cry? "Reagan would be a Dem by today's standards!".

The ONLY reason we can't get shit done is because of people like Hillary & her supporters are truly scared of change and are comfortable with the status quo and therefor defend it.

Please, enough with your party purity bullshit.
Issues & people > any political party.

Obama and Dems have a wide open tent? Sure, like it was so open when Hillary made her recent comments about abortion. It's open for those who are rich and are ties to Wall Street & Walmart. See the 89 Dems who voted to gut SNAP.

That's my story & I'm sticking to it.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
166. Got any more Freeper talking points for us? How much more WAR and CLIMATE CHANGE do you want
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

lewebley3? How many more for-profit prisons? How many more economic meltdowns? How much economic injustice IS ENOUGH FOR YOU? Do you want us to look like China, be paid like China, have China's air??? WAKE UP!!! The "status quo" you defend is KILLING US and the planet!




 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
226. How many aircraft carriers do we have now?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:12 AM
Mar 2016

And how many are on order?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_in_service

Seems like 10 with 3 more on the way.

A bunch named after Republican Presidents lately.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
156. American Only! This be America! ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:41 PM
Mar 2016

(I just know they speak foreign, they're saying something bad about me! )

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
174. Why were you talking about me???
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:13 PM
Mar 2016


You must have been ... you just didn't want me to know ... so you were speak foreign! That what you guys always do!



{ETA: I've had 100s of these conversations with folks complaining about people speaking their native (or acquired) tongue in the workplace.}
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
181. My response to these "concerned" people is, generally, ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:25 PM
Mar 2016

to listen, patiently, then ask: "What makes you think they are talking about you? What have you done to them to make them want to talk bad about you?"

Beowulf

(761 posts)
43. The DNC runs a corrupt, rigged primary
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:31 PM
Mar 2016

to protect its privilege with the elites. Bernie supporters say we don't want that any more. So we get accused of being spoilers. Riiiiight! Sorry, I'm not enabling this kind of corruption any more.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
108. Not surprising
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:33 PM
Mar 2016

To hear this kind of arrogance and elitism from a Hillary supporter, who don't care HOW she wins, only that she wins. This is exactly how Hillary responds to the FDR liberal Democratic base, so it is no wonder we hear it mimicked from her supporters.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
111. Hillary is winning
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:36 PM
Mar 2016

because more people are voting for her. No one is cheating. I don't understand your thought process. Bernie won UT and ID by big margins aren't you happy about that.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
212. Well if that's your attitude when the GE rolls around...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:12 PM
Mar 2016

...you may get your wish and the Democratic party will be rid of us annoying Sanders supporters / dirty hippies.

That of course will mean a Republican victory.

Well be careful what you wish for.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
219. I don't wish for anyone
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:44 PM
Mar 2016

to be gone, but if you want to leave then see you later. You acting as if someone stole your bicycle. Hillary is qualified, period.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
234. Stop repeating
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:33 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie's talking points about Hillary's judgement. When it was time for him to make tough decisions he failed-gun control, bailout, crime bill, etc. He will not save the day because he does not know how to. Same talking points at all his rallies , he is out of his league. Now he is going back on how it disliked the super delegates now he wants them. Bernie is just talking a different language and not walking it. Super Tuesday she crushed him. The Democratic voters did that.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
241. Quit denying reality
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:07 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary has awful judgement. All it takes is one single Google or YouTube search. From Iraq to Saudi weapon deals to emails to running 3am racist ads against Obama to Honduras to Syria. You can push your agenda all you want for the 1% and the corporate candidate that Hillary is and bring up stuff which is downright hilarious but it doesn't change the fact of the things below.

So let's debunk you right this second.

Gun control.

Are you aware that Hillary flip flopped on the issue and ran to the right of Obama on the issue and catered to the NRA and it's voters? Of course you aren't. And while you sit here and praise your candidate and slam Bernie, your candidate is holding fundraisers with NRA lobbyists https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/nra-lobbyist-will-co-host-clinton-fundraiser/ So please don't give us that shit about gun control.











Bailout.

Can you tell us please what exactly you are talking about because your talking point here has been debunked a million times. Keep up! http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/83206/leahy-sanders-reluctantly-support-auto-industry-re/

Clinton and Sanders were both in the Senate at the time, and contrary to what Clinton implied Sunday, both supported the idea of an auto bailout.

Sanders argued that letting the auto industry go under was too big of a risk for middle-class workers -- it could lower wages across all sectors of the economy and have a ripple effect on states like Vermont that were fairly far removed from the auto industry. He was quoted by Vermont Public Radio at the time as saying:

The problem is if you don't act in the midst of a growing recession, what does it mean to create a situation where millions of more people become unemployed? And that could spread, and I have serious concerns about that. I think it would be a terrible idea to add millions more to the unemployment rolls.

But Sanders was vehemently against the larger $700 billion bailout to prop up the banks. (As evidenced by his presidential campaign, Sanders is no fan of Wall Street.) So he voted against the bank bailout.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/07/the-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-debate-over-the-auto-bailout-explained/


Crime bill.

You mean that very crime bill that Bill Clinton passed and Hillary paraded around like a piece of meat in front if Lion's in the Serengeti? Ohhhhhh that crime bill!

Hillary Clinton and the Tragic Politics of Crime
The criminal-justice policies she now denounces once helped her husband capture the White House.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/05/the-tragic-politics-of-crime/392114/

To those who see Hillary’s new crime agenda as a flip-flop, her campaign has a rejoinder: Different policies make sense at different times. As Clinton spokesperson Jesse Ferguson tweeted, “HRC policy on internet might also be different than WJC policy in 1994. Not b/c he was wrong but b/c times change.”

The problem with this argument is that many of the crime policies the Clintons supported in the 1990s were probably wrong even back then. Yes, the crime bill did some good: It put more cops on the street and increased penalties for sex crimes. But it also helped spawn the very “era of mass incarceration” that Hillary now denounces. It’s not just that the bill allocated almost $10 billion in federal-prison construction money. It only allocated it to states that adopted “truth-in-sentencing” laws that dramatically increased the amount of time criminals served. As NYU Law School’s Brennan Center has noted, the number of states with such laws rose from five when the bill was signed to 29 by Clinton’s last year in office. Over the course of Clinton’s presidency, the number of Americans in prison rose almost 60 percent.


I can write you out a laundry list of how Hillary has bad judgement.
You say Bernie is out of his league but tell us, who's currently under 2 investigations? WHo doesn't support a living wage? Who acts like a Neocon at AIPAC when they give us speeches? Who think the Reagan's were awesome in AIDS research and who was against DOMA and supported KXL, TPP, DADT and who has sold fracking around the world and supported arctic drilling?
Nope that wasn't Bernie. That was your candidate, Hillary.

It is what it is and you can't defend it other than "It's Hillary's turn!"
You're being made a mark and manipulated. Wake up.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
65. Talking about running a 3rd party is a spoiler...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

The Republican SOS set the rules and ran the PPE.

I'm all for fighting the Arizona voter suppression; you can't blame the DNC for it.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
167. Why do you think I'm only referring to Arizona?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:48 PM
Mar 2016

This entire process has been tainted from the beginning.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
171. Welcome to the American election system
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016

We need to fight on a local level to vote in competent Democratic state leadership.

Why on gods earth we still have Caucuses, non-early voting or non-same-day registration is beyond me.

I understand open vs. closed primaries. There are crossover spoilers in local elections.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
194. Yes, that's right.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:55 PM
Mar 2016

I made it all up. I made up the pressure the Clintons put on DNC members and super-delegates for their support by threatening their funding sources. I made up lobbyists being super-delegates. I made up Clinton Foundation grants to influential minorities who then just happen to give Hillary full-throated endorsements. I made up the irregularities in Iowa and Nevada caucuses. I made up Bill strolling into polling places to campaign and blocking the entrance to hold a campaign rally. I made up Hillary as SoS trading arms sales for generous donations to the Foundation. I made up the hiring of smear-artist David Brock. I made up DWS limiting the number of debates and scheduling other debates during times when few people were available to view. I made up DWS waiving the rule not to accept donations from corporations to the DNC. I made up Hillary softening the ruling that Swiss Banks had to give up the names of their customers who may be evading US taxes in exchange for donations to the foundation and hiring Bill for millions of dollars to give speeches. I made up DWS sponsoring legislation to ease the rules on payday lending. And most of all, I've made up the Democratic Party selling its soul to Corporate America.

Go back to your nap.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
76. The Democrats can easily beat Trump
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:54 PM
Mar 2016

When you (not you, the OP) start talking spoilers.....

Well welcome to your new leader.

tldr on your article.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
161. Sadly, no.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

People completely fail to understand the game Trump is playing and how weak Clinton is as a candidate in the general election.

It's like they have never seen politics before.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
180. It's called winning the primary.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:23 PM
Mar 2016

Right now both Clinton and Trump are doing the same thing... saying WHATEVER it is they have to say in order to win their primary.

BOTH, believing they have sealed up their nomination have begun their tack to the center. Clinton with her deplorable speech at AIPAC, Trump with his greater focus on being anti-free trade agreements and against the Iraq War vote, not having a Super-Pac, etc.

It is a LONG way until November, and rhetoric said during primaries is pretty quickly forgotten... so Trump has the ability to completely reinvent himself during the next 6-7 months. Clinton; however, is already defined. She has a very difficult record to run away from.

You've already seen glimmers of how Trump handles this stuff and it just rolls off him. When the GOP tries to attack his hypocrisy on outsourcing his answer. "Well, I'm was a businessman and as a businessman, I had to do everything possible to maximize my profits, so OF COURSE I took advantage of the free trade agreements." And most people nod their heads and say.. "yeah, makes sense". So in a general election, his rhetoric will soften, he will still blame many of our problems on illegal immigrants, but the message will be softer, praising the "good ones". When people point out the softening of his rhetoric, he will simply explain the difference between winning a primary and the general election and people will nod their heads and say... "yeah, makes sense".

With 76% of the country thinking we are on the WRONG TRACK, people are desperate for the "system" to be shaken up. This is why Obama bled 10MM votes from 2008 to 2012. Luckily for him the GOP bled 3MM or he would have lost... but the trend is clear from 2010 and 2014. When given a chance to "Shake things up".. THOSE people turn out. When voting for business as usual.. those people stay home.

Right now there are far too many honestly trying to decide between Bernie and Trump b/c they are close on the big issues that are important to them.. Free Trade agreements, Super Pacs and a corrupt political system and the Iraq War. But either way, Bernie and Trump represent the SHAKE IT UP vote... the vote that will ACTUALLY change things. Everything they THOUGHT they were getting in 2008, but turned out to be just another center right politician.

So the game... is Trump will be choosing Kasich as his VP to keep the establishment happy and if you think Kasich won't accept, just think about Reagan/Bush and how bush had to change from being pro-life to pro-choice and give up on the entire concept of that "Voodoo economics" thing to unite the party. With Kasich as his VP.. Trump will suddenly seem plausible.. not as frightening, but will still represent the best chance we have a major political shakeup, which is what the MAJORITY of people want.

Clinton will choose Castro in some desperate attempt to win a demographic they are already going to win from a state she has no chance of competing in.

GOP turnout will be motivated by the Trump fanatics and the compromise he made choosing Kasich. Democratic turnout will be depressed even further than 2012 by the lackluster candidate.

Trump will easily win Ohio and Florida and from there it will be President Trump.

I have NEVER in 30+ years of watching and studying politics gotten a presidential election prediction wrong and this one is the easiest to see of all.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
143. The stunts in AZ have ENSURED a win for Trump if Clinton steals the nomination
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:10 PM
Mar 2016

I'm seeing hundreds of Independents turned Dems for Bernie saying that they'll switch to Trump to "punish" the DNC for election fraud (funny how it ALWAYS favors Hillary). Good going guys; your cheerleading for election theft just cost you any hope of the Presidency!

metroins

(2,550 posts)
159. GOP Secretary of State
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:43 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary and the DNC do not control how Arizona runs their primaries.

I'm just as upset as you are.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
165. Keep in mind there are also a lot of people trying decide BETWEEN Bernie and Trump.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

If their issue is Super Pacs, Free Trade or the Iraq War, both candidates appear to be on the same side. They want, above ALL ELSE, an outsider.. non establishment person to win.

It sounds crazy since they are so diametrically opposed on other issues, but to some those are the big ones and they will vote for the candidate that best represents their chance to shake up the system.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
154. I don't believe you should blame Sanders supporters
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:28 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe you should blame the people that will be voting for something as vile as Trump in the General election. I'd say you sarcasm is misguided. Use it on those that would support a person that purports to be tracist, plutocratic and misogynist. Who are those people and why are you giving them a pass?

metroins

(2,550 posts)
160. Do you see me blaming Sanders supporters?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

I blame people trying to act as Spoilers.

Most Sanders supporters are sane, rational people; just like most Hillary supporters are sane, rational people. Most regular people would not advocate for a 3rd party spoiler.

Who is giving anybody a pass?

Did you read more into a post than that was there?

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
220. I could have sworn you said Heil President Trump
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

Meaning if anyone dares to run as a third party candidate Trump will win. My comment to you is, why blame those that would not be satisfied with a Trump or Clinton presidency? Those are Sanders supporters the majority of them, thus the statement. Don't be upset with those that would prefer Sanders over those two candidates. Blame those that would vote for Trump instead of Sanders or Clinton. Because you are saying that if a person ran independent of the two of them, Clinton would surely lose...or aren't you?

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
2. I think we are witnessing
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

The end of the Democratic party as we knew it.

Gop will be gone and the Dems move right.

The rise of a new liberal party is inevitable. Will it be the greens or a new party altogether?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
28. FYI, they already exist and would LOVE to have your support.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:20 PM
Mar 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America



Leader Maria Svart
(Executive Director)
Founded 1982
Merger of Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee
New American Movement
Headquarters 75 Maiden Lane, Ste 702
New York, NY 10038
Student wing Young Democratic Socialists
Membership (2014) 10,000
Ideology Democratic socialism
Social democracy
Political position Left-wing
International affiliation Socialist International
Website
dsausa.org

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is a democratic-socialist and social-democratic organization and political party in the United States, which is a member of the Socialist International.

__________________________

GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
123. Condescension Aside
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:46 PM
Mar 2016

I would love to join any group that advocates for:

- Health Care as a Right
- Tuition Free Public Colleges and Universities
- Paid Family Leave
- Expanding Social Security
- Taxing the Wealthy so they pay their fair share
- Holding Wall St accountable for illegal activities.

If this is seriously like some whacked out idea to Democrats, then yes I am in the wrong place.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
135. Their "political praxis", as Cornell West so aptly says, is admirable.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:53 PM
Mar 2016

Organization and recruitment capacity? Not so much.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
41. You should smile. I certainly am.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

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SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
54. Good gawd...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:37 PM
Mar 2016

So a DEMOCRATIC Socialist is a TOS violation?

I guess then that THE only Democrat that counts, is if one is a card carrying Turd Way Democrat...being a Socialist Democrat doesn't count. Jeebus, now they are carving up what type of Democrat is an acceptable Democrat...how Democratic that's NOT.

Or some kind of topsy-turvey crap like that.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
58. Hey, thanks for the heads up! I love juror N°7's comment...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:38 PM
Mar 2016
"Seems like a reasonable suggestion to me. So many crybabies are talking about leaving, you can't fault someone for offering them directions."


Have to say, I agree entirely!
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
77. Sounds like a really viable, vibrant organization...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:58 PM
Mar 2016

And, here's our old buddy Cornell West, their honorary chair, right on the home page:

"DSA is the major organization on the American left with an all-embracing moral vision, systematic social analysis, and political praxis rooted in the quest for radical democracy, social freedom, and individual liberties.
—Cornel West,
DSA Honorary Chair"


Oh, and if you're serious:

CARRY FORWARD THE REVOLUTION!
DONATE TODAY TO FUND SOCIALISM IN 2016!




 

blueintelligentsia

(507 posts)
176. Social Democrats, Democrats, Republicans, Conservative Republicans (Trump's camp?)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:19 PM
Mar 2016

Independent Social Democrats or Independent Democrats.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
19. I don't know if I agree that the GOP will be gone.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

They control so much of our government at all levels (federal and state legislatures, governorships, etc.).

I would love to be wrong though!

It does seem like it's possible I might have to go somewhere else in the fairly near future though. I believe I might be at the end of my journey with an ever-rightward moving Democratic Party. This will probably be my final decision should HRC get the nomination (which certainly appears likely).

I have no faith in the agenda and actions of a Democratic Party that is controlled by the Clintons. And, that control will be further entrenched during an HRC Administration. The entire Party will be even more thoroughly entrenched with corporate interests than it currently is, and it's already way too much for me. Corporate interests will trounce the interests of average Americans, and I can't continue to support a Party that clearly chooses this direction over reform. Not any longer, and not after the past four decades have unfolded.

I'm not saying I definitely won't support HRC at this time. Simply, it is not very likely. And, should I decide not to support her and she's the nominee I'll gladly leave this website.







 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
22. Wrong: Dem party is getting strong: and more liberal things are going to get done
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:15 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary is the continuances of one of the best Dem leaders of
the Dem party

Dem's will be in a position to take down Citizen United: and
write a bill that will rebuild the middle class.



 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
122. Also, I wasn't claiming to be looking for "political discourse" in that comment,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

unlike the post you're referring to.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
265. I am like Hillary I am loyal Dem: We don't throw tempers: We fight on!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:41 PM
Mar 2016


Sanders people are spoiled brats,: that cannot get free college.


The Sanders people will not be out there for the Dem's in the mid term

budkin

(6,699 posts)
38. It's about time!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:27 PM
Mar 2016

This country has needed an end to 2 party rule for years. Looks like this is the beginning of the end for it.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
236. I can already heard the "Nader" dogwhistles from the Weathervane camp.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:42 AM
Mar 2016

I love the smell of poutrage in the morning.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. Jury results are in!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:07 PM
Mar 2016

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senz

(11,945 posts)
10. Some charmer alerted on your OP
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:08 PM
Mar 2016

Am getting so sick of this. I was juror #2.

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In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
11. Carry on ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:08 PM
Mar 2016

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Autumn

(45,055 posts)
18. I think we will see that, in my lifetime. Nature abhors a vacuum, a vacuum has been created
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

by the democratic party and that vacuum will be filled.

Peacetrain

(22,875 posts)
23. So Bernie wins the primary/caucus.. and its time to run the general..
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

Good Luck with sticking your finger in the eyes of every Democrat who makes the system work on a local level.. What clap trap.. go start a party..

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
24. Go for it, already!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

Not sure why you're dragging this up in here, start your own site.

These ransom notes are getting tiresome.

 

Yuugal

(2,281 posts)
96. The fracking corporatists who demand my vote
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:20 PM
Mar 2016

are much more tiresome. I'm going to vote for who is better for my family not yours.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
138. Why wait?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

Oh you mean the DEMOCRATIC convention?

Thought we were still talking Third Party here.

Just more threats and ransom talk, etc...



bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
25. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

The Progressive Party has a nice ring to it I think. Also I'm uncreative so thats the first thing that popped into my head.

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
130. Don't alienate those who might cross over from the right, though
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:50 PM
Mar 2016

How about The Populist Party

... or helping Working Families Party grow into more states (google to find them ... if I post a link, I might get alerted at this point)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
64. That's a start and a worthy cause, but this is bigger than her.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

It's going to be a huge battle, but not unwinnable.

Basically, it's what Bernie's trying to do, however, he is not focused on anything so small as a political party.

The most worthy cause there is right now -- it's about the soul of America, the original promise to the people.

HughLefty1

(231 posts)
40. third party..
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:28 PM
Mar 2016

I haven't posted in a long time but Bernie has brought me back. Beyond disgusted with the DNC at this point. I just wonder if the knuckleheads on the other side of the aisle steal their nomination, nominate an establishment guy like Paul Ryan and go 3rd party(Trump) if Bernie should do the same thing. I really think Bernie could take the election in a 4 person race in November. Is a DNC candidate like HRC really that much different than a GOP globalist such as GWB? Not sure...

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
47. I have also advocated a 4 candidate general election
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

But it would end up with the 3 who get the most votes thrown into the House of Representatives, where I think the corporatist Republican (Ryan in your example) would be the likely winner unless he finished 4th in the popular vote and didn't make it to the House. I don't see a scenario where Bernie could win in the House.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
52. Electoral college.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

A tie goes to the house. I suspect that is the motivation of third party talk by the gop.

randr

(12,409 posts)
46. If Hillary is the candidate and loses the general
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

The Democratic Party can join the Republicans on the trash heap of history.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
56. Look up thread,it passed a jury. Do what I did,send
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:38 PM
Mar 2016

it to the admins via pm with the jury results included.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
63. TOS
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Vote for Democrats.
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CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
73. Bernie poll-tested all his platforms, to make sure they were popular among Millennials.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:48 PM
Mar 2016

Stop fooling yourselves. You're neither a movement nor numerous enough to be a third party.

You can't even be bothered to show up to vote for the candidate you ostensibly support. No one believes you can establish a viable alternative party at any level.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
83. Wow, what a ringing endorsement of the status quo.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

If leaving the Democratic Party means we don't have to associate with attitudes like yours, it's an unqualified win.

/ignore your nonsense.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
87. The only way to challenge the status quo is to actually vote
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:08 PM
Mar 2016

what difference does it make if you do leave when it appears that you and your friends won't take the time to vote?

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
75. Jill Stein is better than Bernie and she can't get any traction. Even Bernie knew he needed to run
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:53 PM
Mar 2016

in the Democratic party no matter how much distaste he had with doing it. Bernie will not run 4 years from now, he will be 79 and a national campaign will be too much for him.

But good luck with you new party.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
110. Bernie only gives voice to what we already know. He is important only
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:35 PM
Mar 2016

because he has lit the fuse. An entire generation is now primed to do "the right thing". They understand the endemic corruption within both parties and they do not trust either. They trust Bernie because he is not a political whore. Yeah, there will be a fresh party, it will look something like the Democratic party used to look like.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
188. Hillary is losing up to 85% of all millenials, the dnc, thirdwayers etc, are all but fking dead.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:37 PM
Mar 2016

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
200. That is too bad. It appears they aren't voting in big numbers. That doesn't bode well
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

for basing a new winning party on them.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
222. Huge numbers of primariers in my state
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

There are still plenty of Hillary supporters too in my county because most of the non-republicans here are older.

According to CNN and others, there are TOO MANY voters this cycle. No matter what happens, it will be historic.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
303. By all means, ignore us!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:51 PM
Apr 2016

That way we don't have to hear the tired old retread arguments about why we need to support corporate-owned politicians.

PLEASE! I beg you.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
116. It will be a coalition of the entire left, in solidarity with Greens and other progressive parties
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:40 PM
Mar 2016

who still hold to the democratic ideals that the Democratic/Third Way party has abandoned.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
204. Probably shortly after Sanders campaign ends
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:56 PM
Mar 2016

Part of pushing the movement to be ready for the 2018 midterms.

We need to regain a lot of congress critters and state governments.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
237. Well, if memory serves, JPR was meant to do that after the Sanders campaign.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:44 AM
Mar 2016

But you didn't hear that from me.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
238. I don't think JPR = the progressive movement inside the democratic party
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:21 AM
Mar 2016

even as it supports Sanders and the general notion of rejuvenation of pro-people progressivism.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
92. Right, it's the DNC's fault
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:17 PM
Mar 2016

that over 2.6 million Americans have refused to vote as you tell them to.
What kind of democracy doesn't allow a minority rule to prevail anyway?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
94. To hell with the will of the majority in elections
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

This is nothing more than more threats that the minority wants to get their way or they are willing the crap in the punchbowl used by the majority.

Threats suck!!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
113. Is this based on the winning formula of the OWS Party?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
115. Juste un dernier mot....thanks SO much for this thread.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:39 PM
Mar 2016

It's given a great deal of comic relief to my afternoon!

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
120. Working Families Party already exists in some states
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

Also, Working Families Party (i.e. those who don't live off their investments) already exists in several states (and is working to become a national party). They usually cross endorse the candidates of other parties but have started running their own downticket candidates, too. They're already endorsing Bernie for the Dem. Primary. I would love to see them become a national party and have Bernie run as their first Presidential candidate.



eridani

(51,907 posts)
225. It exists in states that allow fusion voting
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:16 AM
Mar 2016

Meaning that candidates can run as a candidate of more than one party. While looking for state legislators supporting public banking, I found one in Vermont listed as a Green, a Democrat and a Working Families Party officeholder.

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
230. I always vote on their line, though, to send a message
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:56 AM
Mar 2016

They have started running their own candidates in some areas, too (not cross-party endorsements).

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
126. Didn't the Dems only adopt planks from the populist party (was it?)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:47 PM
Mar 2016

after losing a lot of voters to them?

Those planks which they adopted being the foundation of the New Deal, it bears mentioning.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
157. I've bout had enough of this crap
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:42 PM
Mar 2016

The RW Corporate Democrat Party is not representing me and has not for decades




 

blueintelligentsia

(507 posts)
178. I know Bernie wins 70/30 against Trump.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:23 PM
Mar 2016

What percentage of that 43% are left leaning? Would Bernie win over more independents in the general election?

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
202. Not there yet
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:47 PM
Mar 2016

But getting closer all the time. If President Hillary Clinton turns out to be a wishy-washy president, look for a strong third part movement for 2020.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
215. Bernie has come up with a brilliant scheme
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:17 PM
Mar 2016

targets gullible segments of the electorate by making promises he knows he can't keep. It gets votes- if he was President and when he couldn't deliver he'd do what he always does-Blame it on the 1%, the oligarchs, the third wayers, neo libs etc etc. It almost worked.

brooklynite

(94,501 posts)
227. So, The Revolution (™) is going to run the entire Government with Bernie Sanders?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:15 AM
Mar 2016

Can you name a competitive candidate you have for House, Senate, Governor, State Legislature?

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
228. Ok this post yesterday got me thinking about something I remembered reading about the New Deal.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:33 AM
Mar 2016

I wasn't sure if I was remembering correctly so I started a thread in GD to get input from anyone who might want to comment (didn't go over too well but the link is here if you're curious: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027709227)

Anyway the relevant part is this:

"Many of liberalism's most important ideas were lifted from these movements. Indeed, Milton Friedman has been heard to describe Thomas's Socialist Party as having been "the most influential party in the history of this country," as every one of its 1928 platform planks had later been enacted." (Friedman was referring to the fact that the New Deal Democrats had borrowed rather liberally from Thomas, just as Woodrow Wilson had borrowed from borrowed from Eugene Debs's Socialists, and Democrats under Williams Jennings Bryan had taken ideas from the Populist Party.)

from Why We're Liberals: A Handbook for Restoring America's Most Important Ideals - Eric Alterman


I'm still curious about what motivated this party to adopt those planks.
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
229. Why not change the DNC?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:53 AM
Mar 2016

If you do have that many, change the landscape of the DNC and Congress!

Primary Democrats who are weak on progressive and liberal causes with Democrats who are strong, and do what it takes to get them elected come the GE!

Get the vote turned out in the "purple" areas and change the numbers of D's vs R's!

I get your sentiment and frustration, but that kind of split weakens both those who leave for a 3rd party AND the Democratic party, and will really reinforce the Republican Party (unless Trump splits them as well).

As an example, look at the calls for Green party support that's popped up lately. As a separate party, they've made some progress in municipal/county/state levels, but on the national level has been virtually non-existent or of any real influence.

Just imagine, for a second, how this primary would look if all of the Green party was with Bernie, and progressive candidates along side of those who support Bernie and the more progressive candidates were Democrats? That would be a very large pool of strong progressives and liberals added to the existing number, and would make the voice so much more heard.

I'm not going to use that old talking point about Nader in Florida in 2000 as being the cause of 8 years of Bush. There was a LOT more at play than Nader's run (crooked assed government, voter disenfranchisement, judicial abuse). Nader's run wasn't the cause of Bush, but at the same time, if Nader hadn't have run, there would have been no Bush. In Florida alone, the numbers would have made the entire need for a recount unnecessary.

So, I say again, if you have those numbers.. don't split and harm yourselves and everyone else. Don't burn down your house and start over. CHANGE the landscape!

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
235. Just Maybe
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:39 AM
Mar 2016

The best would be for the republicans to go the way if the Whigs, the DNC Corporate Hillary/DWS wing could replace them with the Sanders/Warren and we followers on the left as the new liberal party. Then the two parties would fit on the political spectrum like it was pre Reagan.

Autumn

(45,055 posts)
243. Damn Play, this thread reminds me of the French revolution
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:24 AM
Mar 2016

the way some are calling for your head, minus the cake remark though.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
245. The Democratic Party stopped representing its former political base long ago
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:53 AM
Mar 2016

The Democratic Party stopped representing progressives and working class and poor people since decades ago. Why should such voters be owned by the Democratic Party? You have to do something for me to stay in the party.

The Democratic Party of nowadays is run by affluent urban centrists that are socially liberal, in coalition with racial minorities (due largely to the racism of the Republican Party.)

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
297. I don't know who or what the Democratic party represents
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:54 PM
Apr 2016

But i am pretty sure most corporations think they have them under their wing also. Government staying out of peoples personal business (as long as isn't detrimental to others) is what is not happening. Please name some US religious observance that isn't a Christian Bible fixation?

Freedom of religion and from religion is what is also not happening. Just too many things that have been promised and or taken away for the sake of business and profit for corporations. With little regard for peoples and their offspring's well being, our government has become our nightmare that is out of control.

If i happened it wouldn't be a third party, it would be the REAL PEOPLES PARTY

Martin Eden

(12,863 posts)
251. Are we leaving the Democratic Party ...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:29 PM
Mar 2016

... or is the Democratic Party leaving us???

Let's get Instant Runoff Voting, then let the chips fall where they may.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
257. A better approach is to force the Third Way out
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:12 PM
Mar 2016

They took over the Democratic party and now they are open to cutting Social Security and Medicare, as well as other programs that benefit the middle class and poor people. FDR Dems need to stay in THIS party and protect the heritage of the legislation that has been passed by real Democrats. Third Way needs to become the third party and openly level with people as to their positions of issues (of course, that is a pipe dream).

Sam

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
262. Except neither the Dems or the 3rd party would get 270 electoral votes.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016

And if none of the three or four parties (depending on what the GOP does) gets 270, then the decision goes to the state delegations to the House -- of which 33 are controlled by the GOP.

Do you really want the GOP to name the next President? Then a 3rd party would be a great idea.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
279. Since the Clinton's cheat
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

I hope he goes for the Independent ticket. He stands a better chance than she does. With or without him we get Trump, so we may as well go for it!!!!!!

marble falls

(57,075 posts)
299. I support Bernie Sanders. If he loses the nomination and goes third party, I will turn my back on...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:16 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders.

Until the system changes to allow for a run off in a general election for President if no candidate gets 51% of the vote, I will never support a third party candidate.

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