2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs Hillary a warmonger?
She was not in office during the 80s during the Reagan wars and involvement with the contras. She has had no role in government in the last 4 years? Is the world a peaceful place?
and during the bush years, 911 happened, the invasion of afganistan and Iraq. yes, she was 1 vote in like 80 in the senate that gave the president the ability to defend the country. the resident in question chose to lie and scheme and invade Iraq. the resident could have chosen not to.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)There was a big story about that regarding the tatoos on a Trump supporter. That is the cross.
mcar
(42,301 posts)I am proud of my Irish heritage.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Hillary was part of the minority who had no foresight.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)Overall the majority of House and Senate Democrats voted against it.
Deuce
(959 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)126 (~60.3%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted against the resolution.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)She is a one-trick pony, which is why her experience counts for very little in my book.
Broward
(1,976 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)msongs
(67,394 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)They don't see the world as a safe place.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)But a bad one at that ...
insta8er
(960 posts)An investigation finds that countries that gave to the foundation saw an increase in State Department-approved arms sales.
In 2011, the State Department cleared an enormous arms deal: Led by Boeing, a consortium of American defense contractors would deliver $29 billion worth of advanced fighter jets to Saudi Arabia, despite concerns over the kingdom's troublesome human rights record. In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, Saudi Arabia had contributed $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, and just two months before the jet deal was finalized, Boeing donated $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to an International Business Times investigation released Tuesday.
[link:http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals|
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Hillary has never met a war (except Viet Nam, somewhat) that she didn't support either overtly or covertly.
Aside from the IWR vote which was a cynical, deceptive act to preserve her presidential aspirations, look at her involvement as SOS in Libya and Honduras. Libya was a disaster brought on by Hillary, who didn't learn a damn thing from the Iraq disaster she voted to allow.
Claiming she was only 1 vote out of 80 is a moral rationalization that is shameful. She's the 1 YES voter running for president. If you think that vote was to "defend the country" I feel very sorry for you and you need to change you handle from "...Thinks" to "...Rationalizes".
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Guy that started it worked for President Clinton:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/31/september11.usa4
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Well, 4 out of 5 neocons recommend Hillary for all of your warmongering needs.
Seriously. Hillary hand picked Robert Kagan to be one of her Middle East foreign-policy advisers while she was Sec of State. Kagan founded the neocon movement.
Kagan is to war what Colonel Sanders is to chicken.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)You mean Grenada???
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)proud day
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)She was there at the time. Funnily enough, she doesn't hold a grudge
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Yes, she sees war as business opportunity. Her friend Sid is also a big fan.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)doesn't change the answer.
merrily
(45,251 posts)which de-stablized the entire Middle East, justas Bernie and others predicted it would. As Secretary of State, fuggehdaboudit.
Granted Bush could have refrained from the invasion, but let's not play brand new. He asked for authority because he wanted to invade. Everyone knew that.
She contributed to the fact that the world has not been peaceful in the last four years. However, let"s imagine that the world had been peaceful for the last four years. That does not rule out her neocon tendencies. Sorry, no sale on your attempt to peddle her as peaceful.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)"Hillary only did what she was told", etc. directives in the coming weeks.
Oh, and Hillary was not just one vote - she stood on the floor of the Senate and fucking shilled and speechified for the war. She also traveled the world and shilled for fracking.
I think, really, it would be best for everyone if there were no attempts to paper over stuff that, ya know, actually fucking happened. We know how to use teh googler, and we also were, and are, paying attention.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You think we needed to be defended from Iraq?
She didn't just vote for the war, she helped sell it:
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security.
This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction."
Instead of trying to prevent the invasion in March 2003 she fully endorsed it:
For now nearly 20 years, the principal reason why women and children in Iraq have suffered, is because of Saddam's leadership.
The very difficult question for all of us, is how does one bring about the disarmament of someone with such a proven track record of a commitment, if not an obsession, with weapons of mass destruction.
I ended up voting for the Resolution after carefully reviewing the information and intelligence I had available, talking with people whose opinions I trusted, trying to discount political or other factors that I didn't believe should be in any way a part of this decision, and it is unfortunate that we are at the point of a potential military action to enforce the resolution. That is not my preference, it would be far preferable if we had legitimate cooperation from Saddam Hussein, and a willingness on his part to disarm, and to account for his chemical and biological storehouses.
With respect to whose responsibility it is to disarm Saddam Hussein, I do not believe that given the attitudes of many people in the world community today that there would be a willingness to take on very difficult problems were it not for United States leadership.
She even claimed that what we did to Iraq was a gift:
Hillary Clinton may fancy she opposes the war in Iraq, but she has a funny way of showing it. On Monday night in Austin, she had this to say about what the United States military has done over the past five years:
"We have given them the gift of freedom, the greatest gift you can give someone. Now it is really up to them to determine whether they will take that gift."
There was nothing accidental about this line. She delivered it in response to two Iraq veterans introduced at a town hall meeting at the Austin Convention Center by her friend and campaign surrogate Ted Danson. She liked the line enough that she delivered it again a couple of hours later, at a campaign-closing rally at a basketball arena in south Austin.
"The gift of freedom" is, of course, a curious way to describe an unprovoked invasion and occupation causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and leaving just about every aspect of life chaotic and fraught with daily dangers. To then lay responsibility for the mess on the Iraqis -- we did our bit, now you do yours -- is the worst kind of dishonesty, a complete abdication of moral principles. It's the sort of thing George Bush has said to justify his decision both to launch the invasion in the first place and then stay the course -- a course Hillary Clinton has spent many months telling primary and caucus voters she thinks was misconceived from the start.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-gumbel/hillary-goes-orwellian-on_b_89729.html
SHRED
(28,136 posts)...and continued with Libya and Honduras.
No wonder Kissinger is her personal family friend.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)eom
w4rma
(31,700 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)And wanted to bomb Syria? And speechified vigorously for Bush's Iraq Adventure? Who counts Henry Fucking Kissenger as a mentor?
A warmonger? Why would be possibly think that?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)in Iraq, aping all of his talking points about why we should invade, she pushed for regime change in Libya, she wanted an even bigger troop increase in Afghanistan, she supported the disproportionate bombing in Gaza. Her rhetoric about Iran is bellicose. What more evidence do you need?