2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie or Bust is privilege? Nonsense
Utter bunk, and that's putting it mildly.
Bernie or Bust rejects the status quo. Maybe where one has the freedom to risk upsetting the apple cart, while the rest of us seem to have less at stake can seem selfish. Don't rock the boat! Security first, then progress. I can maybe see that. Maybe but... No. Here's where they're wrong:
The status quo is not as secure as you think it is. In fact, unless you are part of the very top in terms of wealth/power, the status quo is failing you. The longer it continues, the worse it gets.
The privileged want to keep the status quo. People with privilege want to keep things exactly the way they are, or roll it back even more. They are invested in inequality
So, no. It is the other way around, Bernie or Bust is the opposite of privilege. Somebody's got to take a stand. (Full disclosure: I have not taken any pledge or committed to withholding my vote. I simply defend B or B's right to vote as they see fit.)
Or, put another way, read a post of mine from a few weeks ago:
Connecting the message of economic populism to social justice concerns
From Venn to Circle: Economic Populism and Social Justice for POC
( http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511397357 )
Let me break it down for you:
The first priority of business is to make a profit.
The first priority of government is supposed to be to serve its people.
When big business merges with government, its priorities take over. People no longer matter, then democracy starts to become more perception than reality.
We know this. But, hang on
PEOPLE ARE NOT COMMODITIES! Black people know this better than anyone, seeing that this is how most of us ended up here on the continent in the first place.
The wealthy class needs others to be a peasant class because thats how we were taught. I get mine, you get none or the softer version, I get more, you get less.
But how have the people up top kept this trick going for so long?
Easy. They break our legs and then call us lame, and people believe them. They blame the poor for being poor, like they had nothing to do with it. Please. They use bigotry, in all its forms, to keep people down.
But now? Their wealth has expanded so much, there arent enough poor black folks to support it. Not enough poor white folks either, they need MORE. They need new others, so what did they do?
They broke up the unions.
Now blue collar middle class folks are part of the peasant class. They are getting a little taste of what poor blacks been feeling for generations and they don't like it. Nobody likes it.
See, structural racism secures this model that keeps people commodified, income inequality is a result of that model. Now that the pool of the people getting screwed has grown, we need to come together.
The working poor getting fucked and the poc that have always been getting fucked should be natural allies. They should have been allies a long time ago but now we REALLY got to do this. Our government has been taken over by our friends in big business. Nobody is safe anymore, not even the semi-rich. They will be next if we don't put a stop to it. Everyone has a dog in this fight.
Bottom line:
The commodification of people when business merges with government and profit comes before people is a terrible model for everyone.
Long held patterns of exploitation of poc (from slavery to now) for profit is still exploitation.
Newer patterns of exploitation of middle class whites for profit is still exploitation.
Its the exact same model.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Do you really think we disagree on the issues? Do you really think everyone is 'privileged' who looks at the math and determines that Clinton is likely our next President?
Pride goeth before a fall, they say. If you're too proud to vote for the Democratic nominee, if you're too proud to help out this country when we need it most, then I hope you and your pride will be very happy together.
As for me, pride will not prevent me from voting for Sanders if he is the nominee. That's because I care about this country and will NOT take the chance for a Trump presidency.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Why would the victim allow the bully to frame the terms of the debate? We tried that when the GOP was doing it, and all it did for us was turning Third Way into one more bully.
randome
(34,845 posts)And, again, I will not let pride keep me from voting for Sanders if he is the nominee. I consider that to be a more helpful, more thoughtful, position to take because this isn't about ME! ME! ME! It's not about my personal feelings on the subject. It's about helping this country avoid a Trump presidency.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)He's the one with the best chances against Trump in the GE, he would bring the coattails that bury the GOP in a landslide (how does swingstate Louisiana sound to you?).
Why is it that those who purport to be most afraid of the neo-fascist narcissist, are also the ones most likely to ignore the enormous risk Clinton would be for the entire Democratic ticket - and hence an increased chance for Trump to attain the presidency WITh GOP majorities in both chambers of congress?
What is it with this "Hillary or else" mentality, and how can you not see that such threats and cajoling have been used a few too many times to still impress millennials?
randome
(34,845 posts)There is no 'Hillary or else' way of thinking for me. I said from the very start I'd prefer someone else as President. But she is winning! I can't ignore that, nor can I ignore what it might mean if I said 'Fuck it, I just won't vote at all!'
There is a larger picture to consider. If I can't get my way, I can at least do something to help someone else, and I can do that by casting a vote in the GE against Trump.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
eomer
(3,845 posts)Although today may possibly be more like chopping away than chipping away.
But obviously the status during this part of the primary calendar is Bernie gaining ground, not Hillary pulling away.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)eom
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)It's good to know someone will still defend the (moral) right to have principles.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)for the rich people, they're just being spoiled and privileged, and thinking only of their broke-assed selves!
Who will think of the billionaires? Jeez, get with the program
You're welcome.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)No mention of the harm that Trump will cause. Gee, I wonder why. Because it won't be you suffering from his policies. You're willing to let others suffer so you can have the satisfaction of your protest vote.
Privilege.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Chances for women minorities and gays to gain more rights.... apparently that's not an issue.
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