Howard Dean: Bernie is not OUT OF the running. Don't count him out yet.

[grasswire]

MSNBC, just now.

[grasswire]

1. Ari Berman is hosting this afternoon.

The conversation (sans Ari, who is from Seattle) was running very against Bernie's chances.

Then Howard Dean (who has been getting blistered by twitter lately) remembered that the voters still have a voice, and said the above.

[FreakinDJ]

55. Maybe Howard remembered it was Hilary who destroyed his campaign

[hedda_foil]

64. Actually, it was Bill who dunnit..

[brooklynite]

66. Would either of you care to explain what you mean?

How were Bill or Hillary involved in 2004?

[SusanCalvin]

2. Well, gee whiz thanks, Dr. Dean.... nt

[CorporatistNation]

36. "Make Up Points... So Howard somehow "appears"... Objective?

Laughable is Howard... he has really diminished himself since he went ALL IN "Establishment" after he got screwed by THEM with The SCREAM...

[JoePhilly]

3. Dean's been pulled from under the bus I guess!!

[SusanCalvin]

5. Not by me. (Actually I never put him there - more like bus purgatory.)

He sees which way the wind is blowing, I guess.

[Scootaloo]

49. Naw.

He jumped under there himself and is clinging to the driveshaft like a long-lost lover.

[ChiciB1]

63. I Should Say NOT, Gotta Eat Your Dinner Now Howie! n/t

[Politicalboi]

4. After he dissed him

Howard Dean better wake up. He's on the wrong side.

[Vinca]

7. I couldn't believe he was denigrating the number of votes Bernie is getting.

I yelled at the television at that point since it was more Alaskan votes than Howard Dean ever got.

[SusanCalvin]

11. Well. For my blood pressure, guess I'm glad I'm watching CNN.... nt

[pangaia]

54. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT watch CNN..

Bad, bad for your psyche and emotional health.. and your blood sugar, and eyesight.... and belly button lint grows very fast...

BREAKING, BREAKING !!!!!

Did I say BREAKING?

Today, while at the gym, TERROR TERROR TERROR TERROR TERROR TERROR
TERROR TERROR TERROR TERROR TERROR TERROR

Well, at least it replaced.. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

[SusanCalvin]

56. Yeah, I know. They haven't been bad for the last few hours, though. nt

[pangaia]

57. You mean you're not watching basketball. !!!

[SusanCalvin]

58. What's that?

[Gwhittey]

10. Don't be too hard on Dean

I know for a fact I would do same thing he did if I was offered the millions a year he was. That why I don't understand Clinton supporters who think money does not effect the elected people. Bullshit there are very few people that would turn it down. Only people who are not living on scraps would think that because they live a good life.

[SusanCalvin]

12. Good point. nt

[dreamnightwind]

50. Howard was in no danger of living on scraps

so IMHO he deserves all the criticism he gets. He lies about being a lobbyist, he was confronted with how can he as a superdelegate cast his vote for Hillary when the state he is a superdelegate from voted overwhelmingly for Sanders (he said his vote would be for the good of the country, an arrogant statement that meant his biased an well-compensated opinion was more valid than that of the voters in his own state). Done with Howard Dean.

[ChiciB1]

53. I'm SURE He Had Several BUCKS Saved For A Rainy Day...

Unlike so many, many others! Now, where's that little violin???

[KingFlorez]

6. Of course not. Sanders is going to get 80% in California.

[grasswire]

8. He looked a little queasy...

....as if he was thinking about the crow he might have to eat yet.

Or maybe he was worrying about the spanking he's going to get from Hillary.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. I do not watch MSNBC

but that is quite a mental.

I like mine fricasseed, with a side of taters and green beans. Maybe a glass of chianti?

The map is starting to open once again.

[AzDar]

24. Whiskey... with a shot of CNN-tears back.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. CNN is actually, shocking... I know, not that bad

[SusanCalvin]

31. Yeah, almost like real journalism.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. It is almost the CNN-I crew

which would explain it

[reddread]

18. she will be taking down a lot of reputations with her

for good reasons.
Entire institutions and conventionalities will have been shattered and exposed, left begging for respect or attention when their disservices become clear.

good times.

[grasswire]

27. LOL

Yeah, I had never thought about the flotsam and jetsam of the aftermath.

[reddread]

34. it requires no ketchup

absolutely delicious.
recognizing the truth in a national dialog is of course the most revolutionary aspect,
but
so many corrupt aspects have their necks on the block here.
from so much as an honest open discussion with real justice in mind.
a different world.
fresh new lies will be required.

[BuelahWitch]

39. I see what you did there!

Those Poor! Unfortunate! SOULS!!

[Bjornsdotter]

19. Good!

I hope he chokes on his words.

[haikugal]

9. No shit Sherlock!

[Barack_America]

14. Check bounce?

[SusanCalvin]

17. .

[AzDar]

15. Putrid-Sellout-Says-What?

[Bjornsdotter]

16. This...

...from the same man who said Bernie was finished a few weeks ago.

I am so sorry I supported Dean years ago.

[SusanCalvin]

20. I'm not. I just don't like what he is now. nt

[Bjornsdotter]

22. Excellent point n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

42. Never believed the hype back then. If you looked at his record, plenty of warning signs that he was

not the progressive that he pretended to be (and that others projected upon him.)

[SusanCalvin]

47. Good point. nt

[Karma13612]

43. Precisely. Don't criticize yourself for supporting who he was back

then.

People do change when offered big money.
We all think it won't change us, but it does.

So, best thing to do is avoid it, I guess!!

Anyway, we are supporting Bernie now, and that is the important thing to focus on.

A little bird told me he's the natural choice!!

[SheilaT]

21. I wonder what it will take for

Dean to decide that as a super delegate from Vermont, he really should be supporting the candidate the majority of his state supports.

[snowy owl]

25. I wonder if Dean's ego will let him vote Bernie?

He's been constantly for Hillary. I think in 2004 he actually tried to be Bernie but people weren't ready for it yet. Not saying he really is a Bernie but am saying he certainly wasn't establishment. I delegated for Kucinich and Kerry was establishment. Dean fell somewhere between. That's why establishment and media went after the scream. Can't have Dean. So now he's all in establishment.

[SusanCalvin]

28. Excellent analysis. nt

[SheilaT]

33. Yes, very interesting analysis.

I was a gung-ho Deaniac in 2004, met him at several events, and a couple of times a year or so later at Democratic Party stuff. I thought highly of him. He was quite approachable.

The only thing I will hold on to for his eventually switching to Bernie is that historically the super delegates go with the person who has enough regular delegates for the nomination. And of course, the media is confusing everything by constantly including the supers who have already announced for Hillary, although I believe that a handful have already switched to Bernie.

[SusanCalvin]

37. Yep. Supers mean nothing at this point. nt

[snowy owl]

67. My concern is Dean's all out support of Clinton

Look like a pretty flip-flop if he changes now. Does he have the courage? He'll get a lot of flack and probably black-balled by the establishment.

[karynnj]

41. Kerry was more liberal than Dean, who was a moderate Democrat

As to being "Bernie" in 2004, that was not at all who Dean ever was. In fact, at a Burlington Democratic event, he spoke of the election where Bernie first won as mayor. The context was in introducing the current mayor of Burlington, noting that he was the first Democrat since Bernie won. All the mayors were independents of progressives. This was before Dean was in elected office. He said that he first realized Bernie could win when his mailman said he was for him. Dean then said, that while he did not vote for him, his wife did.

Dean in 2004, took advantage of not having had to cast a vote on the IWR resolution or defend comments in 2002 that were somewhat hawkish. The scream did not destroy his campaign - blame Trippi for going very negative towards Gephardt - resulting in nasty ads on both sides. This meant that - on the night of the scream - he got 18% of the vote versus Kerry getting 38% - in a race that he and Gephardt were seen as likely to win.

In NH, Dean had lost support to Clark, but in the weeks before Iowa, Clark imploded and his supporters mostly went to undecided or Kerry, not Dean. When Kerry won Iowa, he got the momentum and most of the undecided, more of Clark's supporters and likely many of the Gephardt people went to him. Dean's numbers did not tank, they just did not increase.

Then, thanks to Trippi, Dean had spent a fantastic amount of money in NH and Iowa and was low on money. He opted to take a huge risk - he opted NOT to compete in the upcoming contests in SC, ND, AZ, NM, DE, MO, and OK, because they were not likely wins for a new Englander. Now, had Edwards won all of them, Dean could have come back. He could have fought Edwards as the most pro war. The assumption being he could stop Kerry, then fight Edwards. However, Kerry won 5 of the 7.

That said, Dean was a very good DNC head and that might be the place that he fits best. That and as a young person becoming active he fought for the Burlington bike path - which is great.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

45. Yeppers.

[SusanCalvin]

48. As far as I know, he was great for the DNC, true.

This is a very interesting thread. Goes to show how much you can think you know that you don't know..

[snowy owl]

70. Thanks for analysis but...

at the time, most of us saw Dean as more liberal. Your post doesn't really show Dean as less liberal . . . so I'm not sure how to think. So I won't disagree since there is nothing there to disagree with. I'm always curious about Trippi as he appears frequenly on Fox.

[RufusTFirefly]

35. The VAST majority

Final results in Vermont:

Bernie: 86.1%
Hillary: 13.6%

[snowy owl]

23. Like your posts, grasswire, but MSNBC? Dean? Reid? Can't listen anymore.

After a season of dissing Sanders and even pretending to be respectful, informative then following up with dirt and dissing - who can trust them. Every single one of them.

[grasswire]

29. I trust Ari Berman.

He's as "left" as we are going to get on corporate media.

[snowy owl]

68. Just can't agree. I was a fan of Berman at one time...

but once these people get to MSNBC, they cannot show support for any candidate but the establishment and Ari went right along with it. I've turned him off more than once before switching to CNN primarily. Just couldn't take any more. Esp. when I saw trusted analysts and journalists like Berman and Alter going commercial. I'll bet money Chris Hayes would be a Bernie guy if he weren't on MSNBC. He's pretty close with Sam Seder and we all know where Sam lies. The paychecks make a big difference and Ari is right up there with them.

[RufusTFirefly]

30. Always interesting to hear the opinion of a corporate lobbyist n/t

[ladjf]

38. Howard, glad you momentarily woke up from your political stupor. nt

[Jackilope]

40. Duh, Howard. Now crawl back to your corporate masters, Dr. Sell Out. eom

[bettyellen]

44. I thought Dean was an establishment shill, not to be trusted?

[SusanCalvin]

59. Correct. nt

[ChiciB1]

65. No One Here Seems To Be Giving Him Any Kudos... Looks Like HE

got visited by A CROW and is now having to eat it! Cough, cough. This thing really isn't over and HAD MSM done 1/2 their job I don't think Hillary would have won some of the state she supposedly did.

I don't use bus references anyway!

[Ferd Berfel]

46. Dean is a corporate whore. Ignore him.

His job now, what he is being paid for now, is to facilitate the destruction of the American middle-class.

[gollygee]

51. It's unlikely he'll win now, but not impossible.

Weird things happen, and he has momentum.

[ChiciB1]

52. Where The HELL Did HE Come From???

He really turned out to be "like so many others" who SOLD OUT!

But, thanks for the Squeak Howard!

[Ferd Berfel]

61. Howard took the MOney

[ChiciB1]

62. Maybe He's Jealous... Who Knows, But It Does Seem He

not only took the money, but stabbed Bernie in the back at the same time. WHAT IF Bernie ACTUALLY gets the nomination, that could mean Bernie can ignore him in return. That's gonna be a kick in the pants!

[Teamster Jeff]

60. How do we tell if Howard Dean is speaking or if Big Pharma is speaking?

Maybe he could get a special hat or use a signal or something.

[Odin2005]

69. Too late, Howie, you sold your soul to the healthcare industry.

[MisterP]

71. nobody cares: he's like the nouveux riches in "Society" now