I will happily admit that Bernie Sanders is chipping away at Clinton's lead today...

[brooklynite]

...unfortunately, gouging at her lead will be required if he's going to win...and I'm not seeing that happening in the upcomi States.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. Give the guy and his campaign credit, nobody saw this coming.

When he first announced, NOBODY anywhere thought this could get this close.

[riversedge]

12. I see you have memorized some of Bernie's stump talking pts.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

15. Not a clue what you are talking about.

I am a Bernie and Hillary supporter.

I think Bernie has to be congratulated for doing a great job in his campaign in spite of some real unpleasantness from many of his supporters.

Your questioning me like this gives them fuel.

[hellofromreddit]

19. Don't attack JWS

A. Your assumption is wrong.

B. There is no value in dividing ourselves into factions.

[Thinkingabout]

2. Yes it has to be a consistent gouging in order to gain the needed delegates.

[Cheese Sandwich]

3. ok

[cwydro]

4. I've said again and again

that I love both our candidates.

A hard fought primary is good for everyone.

[Live Bait]

5. Don't think you have New York completely secured.

The rest of New York ain't New York City.

[Trenzalore]

7. Its a closed primary

Thankfully only democrats will be voting.

[brooklynite]

8. I've worked on losing campaigns in NYC...

...they're not all millennial and they're not all White.

[NuclearDem]

61. +48 points, closed primary.

Registration closed yesterday.

[Warren DeMontague]

6. Why is she performing so poorly in Washington state?

Any theories?

I know I have some.

[one_voice]

34. My niece and her husband live in Washington State..

he's military. Was very conservative. Bought into the whole Fox/Rush bullshit about Obama. Used to argue with me. Eventually he started liking stuff on my fb page. Asking my opinion on things. He knows I'm undecided as to who I'm voting for.

I'm pretty sure he went with Bernie. While he wasn't jumping up and down over Hillary he didn't hate her. One of the things he liked about Bernie (over Hillary) was the legalizing pot-actually that was probably the most significant.

He thought Hillary had a better relationship with the AA community--he's AA (yes he knows all about the 90's stuff).

He wasn't 'afraid' of her militarily. He thought they balanced out with healthcare/school just had different ways of getting there.

But he feels strongly on legalizing mj. So my guess he went with Bernie. I'll know later, he's going to tell me.

He now thinks Obama is great and hates the pukes.

It's possible to change a mind here and there.


edited to add: change a mind from conservative to liberal.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. I think you're right, i think the beltway people dont understand the momentum behind legalization

Out here.

Instead it is treated like some boutique fringe thing, instead of an issue which is likely to bring lots of people to the polls in states like CA this november.

Hillary has studiously avoided it as much as possible, even clumsily pivoting to "heroin addiction" when directly asked about marijuana in the debates (!!)

Of course, DWS is worse, openly backing strict prison sentences for both recreational and medical marijuana users.

Meanwhile, even leaving aside writing off the entire pacific Northwest, Colordao is an electoral swing state.

Hillary should pay attn to pols like Gavin Newsom and Jeff Merkeley, who have gotten ahead of this issue.

[MadBadger]

57. It's an open caucus

that's why

[Warren DeMontague]

62. Doubtful.

But I'm gonna guess you're not in the Pacific Northwest. I could be wrong, of course.

[YOHABLO]

9. It's exciting where progressives want to take the country. GOP be damned.

We stand together, and if Hillary Clinton becomes the President of the U.S., then it will be our duty (as true progressives) to hold her feet to the fire. We have to. We should also focus on regaining control of the House and Senate. Just think of the possibilities that could come to fruition. Not that I am giving up hope of a Sanders win. It's not going to happen by just showing up at the polls. We have to get involved because our lives depend on it.

[brooklynite]

18. You won't get an objection from me...

[libtodeath]

10. What do you think she should do to appeal to those voters?

[brooklynite]

11. I'm not sure she should...

...most exit polls have shown Clinton winning AMONG DEMOCRATS. I think that when we return to the northeast/Mid-Atlantic, the DEMOCRATIC VOTERS will blunt whatever momentum Sanders has developed.

[libtodeath]

14. Seriously?

Good luck with that and cant believe the arrogance.

[hellofromreddit]

21. That would be a weak strategy in a GE

Are you giving up hope that Hillary will reach the GE?

Her campaign is having a bad night, but it's not fatal. This is still a competitive race.

[brooklynite]

26. I'm recognizing that the Primary electorate isn't the General Election electorate...

...and I'm not worried that Clinton will be able to beat Donald Trump.

[SheilaT]

28. So you seriously think Hillary won't need the votes of

independents in the General Election?

[brooklynite]

30. Absolutely, she will...

...and notwithstanding the chest-thumping of the "Bernie or Bust" advocates, I think she'll be a far better choice than Donald Trump.

Do you disagree?

[SheilaT]

32. Once again, the Lesser of Two Evils choice.

I, for one, have had enough of that. I'm not entirely sure what I'll do in November if Hillary is the nominee, because I see her as only marginally less bad for the country than any Republican.

[LibDemAlways]

35. I think in a year in which voters seem to be hungry for

change, that running the ultimate establishment candidate, one with more baggage than a symphony orchestra on a world tour, isn't the best idea. Given the choice between Trump and Hillary, many voters will be tempted to choose "none of the above."

[beedle]

38. notwithstanding the chest-thumping of the "Bernie or Bust" advocates

there's a couple of other factors at play here:
1 - the ability to excite independents into turning out (Hillary doesn't have the ability IMO, while Bernie at least stands a chance. He's no "Obama' in that respect, but at least there's some 'there there'.

2 - not being another member of the Bush/Clinton dynasty and turning potential voters against voting; Again, an advantage Bernie has over Clinton.

There's other form of 'chest thumping', and it's the inexplicable believe that establishment Democrats have about 'closed primaries' and Hillary's ability to win that narrow, 'captive' vote, and what it might have to do with predicting the results for the GE.

[AgingAmerican]

46. So would Zell Miller

[Lil Missy]

17. She shouldn't use up any time or resources on them.

They are never going to vote for her, no matter what. So there's no sense in wasting time and money on them.

[libtodeath]

20. So just let them vote for trump or cruz by default?

[Lil Missy]

23. false choice.

[libtodeath]

27. How?

[Lil Missy]

42. Do you have any evidence that such people would vote for the Republican?

My opinion is that it's more likely they would write-in Bernie, or not vote at all.

Just my 2 cents.

[libtodeath]

45. How is that not the same thing?

[Lil Missy]

51. If you don't know I guess we are done with this.

[libtodeath]

52. *

[ibegurpard]

13. your concern is noted

[Lil Missy]

16. As was predicted. He still can't recover enough to overcome her delegate lead.

Math Matters.

[Logical]

22. She should be embarassed...........

[hack89]

24. Winners have no reason to be embarrassed.

Do they?

[Logical]

25. Yes, if they have a 50 point lead and it drops to a 8 point lead. Embarrassing! nt

[hack89]

37. Is it the quality of her opponent that makes it embarrassing?

You might have a point there.

In any case, do you think it will mean squat in a couple of months when she is the nominee?

[Logical]

39. Yes, an unknown. Finally you get it. nt

[hack89]

48. I mean weak and insignificant

the type of opponent that would be an embarrassment to lose some states to.

[Logical]

49. Either way, she is terrible. Face it. nt

[hack89]

50. Yet she is kicking his ass and will be the nominee

face it.

[Logical]

53. After losing 50 points. nt

[hack89]

54. If it takes away the sting of defeat then go for it

we all have our ways to cope with disappointment.

It doesn't mean shit if she lost 50 points when she is sitting in the Oval Office, does it?

[Logical]

56. Seriously, I am not disappointed. Bernie exposed her flaws and hopefully hurt her. Who knows.....

what shit comes out in the GE about her.

If it wasn't for bernie she would of ran unopposed and not been called out about anything.

Only arrogant hill fans think losing 50 points in 3 months is a good thing. But maybe after 2008 you are use to it.

[hack89]

59. Or Bernie made her a stronger GE candidate by pushing her hard

and exposing weakness in her message and organization that she now has plenty of time to fix. Resiliency and flexibility are critical for a successful candidate- having a strong primary challenger is good for honing a GE message.

So it is important for you for Hillary to be weakened going into the the GE? If Bernie can't win the GE then Hillary must lose?

[Logical]

60. No, someone needed to expose her flaws so she can fix them for the GE. She would of been too......

comfortable without a challenge.

What bernie did to her is minor compared what the GE will do.

The primary debates and complaints about her was just a tune up.

[Lil Missy]

44. She's winning, no need to be embarrassed.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. Two things, your track record is not good and you are West Coast Clueless.

August 12: "Has Bernie Sanders plateaued? Only a couple points of growth. It appears that a lot of his original growth was in anticipation of his campaign, rather than because of it."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251507696

March 17: "Bye bye, Bernie: The Democratic race is all but over."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511512956

I'll stop but not for lack of material.

[onehandle]

31. Today is almost over. On a holiday weekend, where few are seeing news.

Today was the swan song for the 'Not Hillary' Party.

It landed on his podium and bid him farewell.

[mucifer]

36. Hate to tell you it's front page on every news webpage

You might wish him away.

But, he won these races and he deserves the acknowledgement as much as she would have if she won.

[onehandle]

41. Oh, it's on the 'news webpage.'

You showed me.

[mucifer]

43. Ok look for yourself

www.nytimes.com
www.chicagotribune.com
www.washingtonpost.com
www.bostonglobe.com


see what is on page one

[brooklynite]

55. I'm confused; I thought "the MSM" wasn't covering Sanders...

[840high]

58. everywhere - even England.

[Barack_America]

40. *SNORT* he's going to net 50 delegates in WA.

That's more than bit of a gouge.

[DLnyc]

64. Agree. By Green Papers, I think 57 over Hillary from WA and AK is a good guess.

Hints are he'll get some more from HI. Since he seems to have taken (again by Green Papers) another 21 off Hillary's lead Tuesday (AR, UT, ID), I would say he took 76 out of her lead this week, before HI.

If I weighed 300-plus pounds and lost 76 in a week, I would call that something of a gouge, yes!

[corbettkroehler]

63. I Certainly See It

His numbers in AK and WA were phenomenal, in keeping with the thresholds which the pundits say he must maintain in order to reach the convention as a contender.