2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPresident Obama: Please Endorse Hillary Already
Mr. President, do you want your legacy to be nominating the next George McGovern? The only reason Bernie looks good in polls against Trump is because people who don't follow politics (yet still vote) don't know who he is. Once they did, his self-declared socialism would elect The Donald, either directly, or send Bloomberg into the race if Bernie is the nominee, or drive Hillary too far to the left to get elected. He is dividing our party and sowing needless dissent.
Now is when Hillary should be pivoting for the GE and starting to fight Trump.
Now is the time to do what you should've done with OWS and some of the campus protesters, to have a Sister Souljah moment, and call out the crazies on our side, as not only does the GOP have them (mass-deporters, ammosexuals, etc.).
Unlike Bernie, Hillary embraced your legacy. Bernie and his fans think you're not liberal enough.
PLEASE Mr. President, for the good of America and the Party, endorse Hillary now.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)They're panicking!
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
Back then it wasn't known as bipolar, but was later revealed to be diagnosed as such.
McGovern downplayed it, and then called a heckler an ass days before the election.
Nixon and his surrogates went to town on McGovern, calling him crazy!
But, the OP writer is spinning reality the way they want it.
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Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Period! No one was going to beat Nixon in 1972.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)at least until the primaries are over, just like Warren did with Sanders in Massachusetts.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)A President should never endorse a candidate of the same party in the primaries to replace him...it creates terrible optics for the eventual candidate in the GE and hands the opposition a free wack if the endorsed candidate doesn't win the nomination.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Especially given his 2008 platform message
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)It's the desperate calls for him to abandon that stance that seem clueless and out of place.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)to be President.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)Get bent.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Castro isn't nearly as much of a monster as more than a few Americans that Hillary's tight with.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Hillary loves her some war criminals...
Calls some of them 'family' even.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Some of Hillary's doesn't reflect well on her, and that's a big problem for me.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)(may the b*tch rot in Hell for her deliberate silence!)
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Her husband is at least good at pandering to whatever audience he finds himself in front of...
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)As well as supporting one of the most corrupt Democratic Party candidates of all time?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I believe they still vacation together, does Bernie schmooze it up with Castro?
Seriously dude, I can't begin to tell you how much fun it is watching you guys panic and flail around.
You can't even find new material so you keep recycling old right wing smears.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,584 posts)Not something I'd put on my resume.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)For their state is morally unfit.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Henry Kissinger urged President Richard Nixon to overthrow the democratically elected Allende government in Chile because his "'model' effect can be insidious," according to documents posted today by the National Security Archive. The coup against Allende occurred on this date 40 years ago. The posted records spotlight Kissinger's role as the principal policy architect of U.S. efforts to oust the Chilean leader, and assist in the consolidation of the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile.
The documents, which include transcripts of Kissinger's "telcons" telephone conversations that were never shown to the special Senate Committee chaired by Senator Frank Church in the mid 1970s, provide key details about the arguments, decisions, and operations Kissinger made and supervised during his tenure as national security adviser and secretary of state.
"These documents provide the verdict of history on Kissinger's singular contribution to the denouement of democracy and rise of dictatorship in Chile," said Peter Kornbluh who directs the Chile Documentation Project at the National Security Archive. "They are the evidence of his accountability for the events of forty years ago."
Today's posting includes a Kissinger "telcon" with Nixon that records their first conversation after the coup. During the conversation Kissinger tells Nixon that the U.S. had "helped" the coup. "[Word omitted] created the conditions as best as possible." When Nixon complained about the "liberal crap" in the media about Allende's overthrow, Kissinger advised him: "In the Eisenhower period, we would be heroes."
Logical
(22,457 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Well, I couldn't leave
Unless the old man chased me out,
'Cause I'd already promised
That I'd milk his cows.
"I had to say something
To strike him very weird,
So I yelled out,
"I like Fidel Castro and his beard."
Rita looked offended
But she got out of the way,
As he came charging down the stairs
Sayin', "What's that I heard you say?"
I said, "I like Fidel Castro,
I think you heard me right,"
And ducked as he swung
At me with all his might.
Rita mumbled something
'Bout her mother on the hill,
As his fist hit the icebox,
He said he's going to kill me
If I don't get out the door
In two seconds flat,
"You unpatriotic,
Rotten doctor Commie rat."
Bob Dylan from Motorpsycho Nightmare
Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)As a Dylan-ophile I salute you!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)Better let President Obama know your answer to this question.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)He just said that some good came of the revolution.
What was he supposed to do? Act like everything the Cubans have done is evil?
It's enough that he says Cuba should democratize.
There is no good reason for anyone to be calling for the end of free education and healthcare in Cuba...they need less repression, not "shock therapy".
The Cold War is over, and Cuba is just another country now.
It's time for OUR leaders to stop trying to interfere in a country where we never had any right to interfere at all...not in 1898, not in 1961, not now.
Leave Cuba's fate to the Cubans.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Do you get nosebleeds at that altitude on your horse.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)it's breaking the bones of a partially decomposed ungulate that may or may not have galloped once upon a time (like in the last century)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It still stinks too, those large rotting ungulates take forever to decompose!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Who knows how long such ungodly creatures take before their ashes turn to dust? - but I'd still not put it beyond David Brock to try and stir that dirt as long as there are some hooves in it.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)scratching around, looking for buried treasure.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)it perfectly describes what they found
femmedem
(8,196 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)This may be the most unintentionally hilarious (albeit pathetic) thing I've read in a while.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Bloomberg's recent poll had Bernie 58% Trump 34%, a 24 point McGovern margin.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Mondale wasn't even really liberal, at least from the debates he seemed to be focused on cutting the deficit.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)The Democratic Party needs to confront its unresolved, 44-year-long phobia of McGovern if it is to have ANY credibility when addressing the set of problems now faced by this nation (especially on the economic front).
We now have an economy in which any any and all economic recovery accrues to the wealthy, who in turn can use such wealth to buy politicians on the open market and make "investments" in Congress to make themselves even wealthier.
One such politician, however, is NOT FOR SALE, wants to break that cycle, and has consistently advocated policies that could have prevented and/or ameliorated the problems that the nation now must address.
Alternatively, we can continue to quiver in fear of McGovern's shadow, and lose states like Michigan that have been particularly ravaged by these economic problems, where Rs have run riot on the state level the last few years, when during the general we hear "She negotiated the TPP before she was against it," "She took millions of dollars from the very same banks she says she told to 'cut it out,' " and so on, ad naseum.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)in 1968 and it's aftermath. Anyone who talks about McGovern's race without mentioning 1968 is blowing smoke up your ass.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I can not recommend highly enough this history of the modern Democratic party, including the rise of the DLC (Democrats for the Leisure Class to quote Jesse Jackson)
https://newrepublic.com/article/130737/democrats-still-dont-get-george-mcgovern
JI7
(89,239 posts)begging the pres to endorse her
RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)This has the smell of panic all over the post. The president must remain neutral and both camps know this.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street
This sounds exactly like what our country and party needs. Does my recognizing the undue influence that corporations have on the government vis a vis the revolving door and campaign finance make me a crazy leftist needing to be called out? Or are you a conservative or classical liberal (correct term for neoliberal, in my estimation) who has a cynical disdain for those who seek a more equitable world because you have either given up on such as an aspiration or disown it as a positive end entirely ?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)The very first thing that Hillary Rodham Clinton promised to do is to follow up the Republican/Netanyahu disrespect for Pres. Obama by inviting Netanyahu to the White House for a rapprochement. She has already invited him, several times in articles and speeches. This is her promise to reset things in a Republican/Netanyahu-centric way, a way that for her triangulates out to be the winning strategy of being the most Republican of all Republican candidates on matters of war and economics.
Gotta give her credit, she outdoes Trump in her total disrespect.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)K&R. Magnificently done.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)someone there might give you the hug you need.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Bernie won 3 states. He must be stopped!
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Anyway, he's busy with Fidel and Raoul.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)He won't do it because he's smart enough to know he'll need to endorse the nominee as soon as one of the two candidates concedes. Saying he should do it is undermining how intelligence he is.
Also it would be saying fuck you to the states who have not voted, one of which is Oregon. So you really are interested in disenfranchising voters? Maybe you might want to rethink what you are saying.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But it's okay. He knows it. He knows his job is to support the democratic process.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)President Obama has plenty of time for an endorsement.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)to endorse anyone but I hope if he endorses, it would be Mr. Sanders.
Mponti
(163 posts)This post reminds me of Gretchen Weiner's meltdown in English class:
"Why should Caesar get to stomp around like a giant while the rest of us try not to get smushed under his big feet. What's so great about Caesar, Hm? Brutus is just as cute as Caesar. Brutus is just as smart as Caesar. People totally like Brutus just as much as they like Caesar. And when did it become okay for one person to be the BOSS of everybody, huh? Because that's not what Rome is about. We should totally just STAB CAESAR!"
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EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Desperation time
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Vinca
(50,236 posts)That would be terribly embarrassing after all.
Karma13612
(4,541 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)A light breakfast of bitter melon and sour grapes?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)When your advisory pushes for you to go against how you feel and it turns in a disaster do you think they are going to support that person? This shows how clueless some people are about what goes on in world.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Obama's conservative derugulatory economic policy is a continuation of Clinton the 1st and is a big reason for the anemic performance of the Democratic Party since 2008.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)aikoaiko
(34,162 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Obama is getting regular updates on the FBI investigation, I'm sure.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...it will look extra bad when he blocks her indictment.
femmedem
(8,196 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)Yea it is!!!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)it violates tradition and would do no good. The vast majority of the Obama coalition is already on board with HRC.
Now an endorsement of HRC by Elizabeth Warren would close the door on Sanders.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)than good. He knows that. The story would become the process of that endorsement decision. That wouldn't help.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Clinton endorsed Gore over Bill Bradley in 1999. But it was a little different because Gore was Clinton's vice president.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)I just had to get in.
Bern baby Bern.
CrispyQ
(36,421 posts)~Insert flip-the-bird smilie here.
I guess the HRC supporters are pretty certain she can win without the Bernie supporters, cuz your goading & gloating is really turning a lot of us off. Asking the Prez to make an endorsement when almost half the country has yet to vote their primary is an undemocratic suggestion. But then, there is a lot I've seen in this election that seems undemocratic.
I miss unrec.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Wow, the Hillarians must be seeing Deja Vu all over again.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I wonder if the DU administration ever regrets their choices.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Your OP is hysterically funny.
He already threw her unofficial endorsements, twice.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)by super Tuesday. Your candidate is so weak she can barely beat an unknown socialist lol. You Hillary supporters crack me up, she is weak and an ineffective campaigner. She is the weak link and you prove it by begging Obama to endorse your weak ass candidate.
Jackilope
(819 posts)is more telling about HRC and how weak she'd be running against the GOP. Kid gloves and Debbie running interference isn't going to rescue HRC against the big, bad, GOP.
She is losing the blue states in a primary. If that isn't a wake up call, don't know what is,
Arkana
(24,347 posts)1) The President won't endorse shit until the convention. You are delusional if you think otherwise.
2) Do you really believe that Bernie's popularity is due to people not "knowing who he is"? Bernie Sanders' poll numbers have been climbing since he declared, not falling. Hillary hasn't made hers go up in a single state.
3) Are you actually Bill Kristol IRL? Because he's the only other person who makes this many wrong claims in one go.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They stood for nothing but positive change.
The only people who opposed them are people who are right wing on everything.
There is never a good reason for a Democratic president to attack the left.
We've done nothing to deserve it.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)That person.
He wouldn't want to endorse one, and then have the other one end up with the nomination. That would weaken that candidate's campaign.