2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie thinks super delegates might switch to him.
No, unfortunately they won't. That's not why they were created.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-momentum_us_56f811fae4b0a372181a3565
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Interviewed on Sunday by U.S. broadcasters, Sanders said Democratic super-delegates, who can change their allegiance, might rally behind him because some polls suggest he has a better chance than Clinton of beating a Republican candidate.
Momentum is with us. A lot of these super-delegates may rethink their position with Hillary Clinton, said Vermont Senator Sanders on CNNS State of the Union news program.
About 85 percent of the votes at the July 25-28 Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, where a party nominee will be chosen to face the Republicans in the Nov. 8 election, are being determined by state nominating contests.
The other 15 percent is held by party power brokers who are free to vote as they like, meaning they could hold the key in a tight contest. Super-delegates include party leaders and elected senators, members of the U.S. Congress, and governors.
artyteacher
(598 posts)She's ahead in regular delegates and like 2 million votes ahead? And she's still raising money for other candidates and supporting the Party.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)Point.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)kentuck
(111,075 posts)Super delegates do not think a "socialist" can win. They are not required to vote with the people of their states.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The antithesis of which is exemplified by the post to which you're replying.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)kentuck
(111,075 posts)but I don't think it is something we should ignore. Does Bernie have a right to ask for fairness in regards to the "super delegates"? Or not ?
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)Due to the Superdelegates there will be hell to pay. It will be the end of the Democratic Party as we know it. They will be telling half the party to fuck off in the most public way possible.
I realize they are there for precisely this eventuality- but do not expect people to take it well or shrug it off he actually wins in the pledged and basically party insiders decide we're too stupid to be trusted.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)if the will of the people was thwarted.....this isn't the olden timey days.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Well if they don't then the people in their states will probably fund a primary challenger to them (I know I'll contribute). If they want to risk losing their seat over it let them. But I think quite a few of them will think about keeping their seat and switch to represent the people they are supposed to represent in the first place.
kentuck
(111,075 posts)I think that is the best strategy.
morningfog
(18,115 posts).....for a decade.
rock
(13,218 posts)The super delegates will normally go along with their state, but they are not required to. The penalty for not going along is political. Presumably they will have good reason for a contrary vote; one that the voters will buy. I don't see it for Bernie. "I can't beat Hillary, but I can beat Trump" just is not good enough.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It is a condition of my future support.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Washington was a landslide.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)kentuck
(111,075 posts)He can challenge the Democratic Party to split the "super delegates" proportionally by the vote and more fairly or he may re-consider as a Third Party candidate? What would be the Democratic Party response?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)One, that his campaign is still viable
Two, that his momentum is just surging, avoiding that it's just ending
Three, he just needs continued support.
Why is he doing this? IMHO there are a lot of $27 donations still needed to pay wages to Jane and the rest of his family he has employed as part of the campaign. So long as his constituency feels he can win, they continue to donate.
rateyes
(17,438 posts)kentuck
(111,075 posts)If he loses fair and square, he has no beef with the Party and will proudly endorse the candidate of the Democratic Party, in my opinion.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:18 PM - Edit history (2)
The voters are actually only participating in a poll. The SD represent th desires of the DNC. They make the rules, they decide who will represent the party.
If Bernie wants to change DNC rules, after insulting the party for years, joining at the last moment to take advantage of the party election process, participating in debates, and then attempting to change the rules mid way through the polling cycle...he Can't. It's very clear he is continuing a pattern of false narrative that his followers don't even bother to research.
kentuck
(111,075 posts)Are they not??
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)If he actually thought he would go into the convention with a pledged delegate lead he would not even be talking about super delegates.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)in which he comes in with more delegstes but the supers stick with clinton. in that case, the supers would need to reconsider fracturing the party and assuring major losses.
jeepers
(314 posts)convinces me that Bernie has to go to the GE. As an Independent or as a Green against Trump and Hillary I think he will own independents and draw both dems and repubs to his side I think he can win, not just split the party. Besides which Hillary could be indicted or the Donald could go supernova.
0rganism
(23,937 posts)that results in a president Trump or a president Cruz in what is shaping up to be a Democratic wave election.
SBS has said from the start that he will not "go Nader" if he loses the Democratic primary.
whatever your thoughts about the problems a HRC presidency may bring, it's patently obvious to me that the Republican alternatives are worse -- and not just by a little. SBS also recognizes this.
still_one
(92,116 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)lays in their hands. One wrong move and the party is over. Anyone who has been to a caucus or a convention this year already knows this. Unfortunately the SD do not attend the grassroots sessions.
I plan on writing all of my SD people and telling them why I think it is important to vote for Bernie.