DK: Is It Game Over for Hillary?

[amborin]

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UPDATE from the comments ( h/t Eagleye):

The last six contests ~
Idaho: Bernie 78-21 (a 57 point win)
Utah: Bernie 79-20 (a 59 point win)
Hawaii: Bernie 70-30 (a 40 point win)
Alaska: Bernie 82-19 (a 63 point win)
Washington: Bernie 73-27 (a 46 point win)
Democrats Abroad: Bernie 69-32 (a 48 point win)

She had the full-throated (even when intentionally obscured) backing of the media, millions and millions of billionaire bucks, the mighty backing of Wall Street and the Military Industrial Complex, complete control of the party apparatus including the devious manipulations of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and unofficial party surrogates like Daily Kos. Yet, even with the shameful, ham-handed efforts of husband Bill to disrupt the vote, name recognition to die for and virtually every other conceivable advantage on this earth, she can't stop our political revolution to save her life.

At this point, her presence in the race is just a distraction. I call on her to do the right thing and drop out now and endorse the presumptive nominee, Birdie Sanders.

There is no plausible way for Clinton to overcome the advantage Bernie enjoys of being loved by the people. The people are ready for a president they can love and believe in, one they can be proud of, one who will follow through on his promises, one who will be truthful, one who will do the right thing. We are sick to death of holding our noses and voting for the lesser of two evils.
for-the-first-time

We are sick of being lied to, screwed over, robbed and forced into bogus, immoral wars. We are tired of all the bullshit.

No more!

The tide has turned. It's time for Bernie and the American people to win it all!

Go Bernie!









http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/27/1506794/-Is-it-game-over-for-Clinton

wasn't planning to ever click on that site again....

[hrmjustin]

1. .

[FlatBaroque]

2. When she drops out

we can focus on the issues as opposed to her possible indictment.

[dchill]

30. That's what I'M thinking!

It would be best for all.

[djean111]

3. Not too long ago, DK announced that, since Hillary would have this all wrapped up by

March 15 or so, after March 15 (or 16) there would only be Hillary news, no Bernie news or comments wanted, just Hillary praise.

Guess it was not a good idea. I was not planning to ever click on that site again, either.

[amborin]

12. i clicked in pursuit of an older article about something else; lo an behold....

[corbettkroehler]

62. That's Why I Closed My Wallet

By the way, Bernie can win California!

[lunamagica]

4. Yes you are only 2.5 + million votes ahead of Sanders! Only 200 PDs ahead...Drop out!

[djean111]

64. The votes, as you may or may not know, do not mean squat.

Because some of the states have caucuses. Only the delegates are meaningful.

Pass it on.

[lunamagica]

65. the caucuses numbers wouldn't alter the numbers much.

They wouldn't amount more than thousands (and some are included in the count)

Pass it on.

Though I agree with you about delegates being meaningful. She's hundreds of PDs ahead of Sanders.

I mentioned the popular vote more as a measure of the will of the people

[djean111]

66. What I am saying is that the popular vote would only be meaningful if ALL the

states had primaries, and no states had caucuses.

If Alaska, Hawaii and Washington had had primaries, and not caucuses, I would imagine that will of the people thing would be dropped like a hot rock. Hillary did not win even one county. The rest of the primary season should be really interesting. And if the already pledged lobbyist super delegates stick with Hillary, even though the "will of the people" is otherwise, in their states, I will go ahead and assume that "the will of the people" will not mean squat to Hillary. And the Democratic Party will suffer a great deal, methinks.

[lunamagica]

67. That's a big "if"

[Orsino]

73. Heh. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

5. Yes... for the good of the country and the party, Hillary must drop out and call for Unity.

She's harming Democratic chances of beating Donald Drumpf in the GE with each and every dollar she gets in donations to her lost cause.

Drop out NOW, Hillary, and endorse Bernie Sanders. Today is as good as it gets for you.

[lunamagica]

10. What happened to the "everyone deserve3s to cast their vote" meme?

There are over 20 states that haven't had a chance to vote yet. What about them

[NWCorona]

13. I agree with you

Let the people vote

[kenn3d]

32. Absolutely, by all means let everyone vote, and FAIRLY please.

But also consider...

2.5 million votes is only @1.7% of the number of registered voters who cast ballots in the 2012 Presidential Election.
Her total votes (to-date) in the Primary race is @6.2% of that electorate, and Bernie's is @4.5%.
It's still a long way to November, but there are a gawdawful lot of Indies in that 146+ million registered voters (Gallup says Independents make up 43%, with Dems @30% and Repubs @26%) and polls indicate that many of them won't be voting for Hillary. Bernie would get a big share of them.

226 PDs (Hillary's current lead) is just 5.6% in a Primary race with 20 States (incl the 2 largest), 22 Elections and 43% of the total Delegates remaining to be determined. If she hits every target that 538.com set for her from here on out, she'll be 265 delegates short of the clinch (2,382 Needed to Win)

Bernie won the last 5 states in the contest by an avg of 76.3%. He's campaigning like the very future of our country depended on it, (which of course a great many of us believe it does), and he's got the $teady re$ources of millions of common voters to carry him all the way to the convention without taking any time out for lavish fundraisers. I gotta think some of these donor class folk are wondering if their money's been well-spent.

She is not inevitable anymore. But I don't think she's likely to drop out (because of Bernie) before June 8th at the earliest.

[SheilaT]

36. Well, given that the Hillary side has been

saying that Bernie must drop out -- and they were saying that at Super Tuesday when 3/4 of the states were still to vote, I guess turn about is fair play.

[BillZBubb]

58. Don't expect fair play from ANYONE associated with Hillary.

[SheilaT]

61. Ohh, I don't.

Just look at the very long list of those banned from the site. I'm proud to have been number 15 or so.

Every so often I read something posted there, and it's honestly distressing how disconnected from reality they can be.

[NuclearDem]

11. "Today is as good as it gets for you." Bookmarked for the end of April.

[Agschmid]

28. She hasn't really been spending much money...

Also calling for either to drop out is just dishonest at this point.

[dchill]

34. Yeah, she's going to have to cash in some of those speechifying checks.

JK, I know about all those PACs.

[Kang Colby]

6. Her lead is all but insurmountable.

But you wouldn't know it though by reading the posts around here...after Super Tuesday the brogressives switched to #berniemath.

Hillary won Ohio, Iowa, Missouri, VA, Illinois, Massachusetts, and on and on...I'm glad Bernie speaks for GameStop frequent shoppers...but we need a candidate who can represent diverse interests.

[angstlessk]

7. By diverse interests, you mean reight wing interest?

the 1%?

[ucrdem]

35. Yes it is. Incidentally this was alerted for some unfathomable reason.

[pdsimdars]

70. For once I agree, this is unfathomable. . . .maybe someone hit the wrong key by accident.

[spyker29]

43. touched a nerve

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[rhett o rick]

57. I think it strange you should say "we need a candidate who can represent diverse interests."

Because I so agree. So explain to me what diverse interests Clinton speaks for? We know she speaks for Goldman-Sachs and the banksters. Is that who you mean? She only recently 2104 decided to accept same sex marriage. She doesn't speak for the working class with her support of NAFTA and the TPP.

Here is what Black Lives Matter says and I think it's very important:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

That is representative of Clinton. Her and Bill's personal wealth of $150,000,000 comes first.

[pdsimdars]

69. Not really paying that much attention, eh?

[TBF]

71. Hillary "won" - only if you turn off your brain and ignore

the coin tosses, Bill's megaphone & shutting down a precinct so he could talk, turning away voters because "oopsie" out of ballots, shutting polling places, enacting new ID laws etc. Some of this is pure Hillary, some is Hillary taking advantage of republican actions.

This does not win an election. This is sabotage and suppression. This will not unite anyone for November.

[NuclearDem]

8. Just a little context, adding all the delegates up:

74 (WA) + 13 (AK) + 17 (HI) + 26 (UT) + 17 (ID) = 147 delegates for Sanders

Florida alone, for Clinton = 141

It took five states for Sanders to beat one of Clinton's.

[NWCorona]

14. That's very true

NY and California will matter this time.

[NuclearDem]

15. As for New York...

http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_e6ef41f2113347feaedca7d88762c6f3.pdf

In the Democratic primary, Clinton is ahead of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders by 48 points, taking 71% of the vote to Sanders’s 23%. The former Secretary of State holds a massive advantage in key demographic groups, including men (66% to 29%), women (73% to 20%), African Americans (72% to
22%) and Hispanics (85% to 8%). Younger voters, ages 18-34, favor Sanders, but by a slimmer margin (53% to 40%) than in many primary states. Among all other age groups, Clinton dominates, leading by 45 points (ages 35-54), 50 points (ages 55-74), and 67 points (ages 75+).

[NWCorona]

19. Bernie's got work to do. I'm aware of that and I'm also aware of the variables at play right now

That will have an impact on those numbers. They won't stay static.

I've posted here before on the supposed "unprecedented " voter registrations ahead of the deadline. We will see if NY has learned from people in other states. Namely voter registration deadlines.

[Godhumor]

27. What do you recommend they do? Reopen registration?

It has been 5+ months since the deadline to change affiliation. We've also passed the registration deadline for first time voters.

NY isn't about to change its rules 4 weeks before the primary.

[cui bono]

37. It's not about changing rules, it's about not changing people's valid registrations.

There have been a lot of instances in other states where people have proof that they registered as Dems well before the deadline, but when they showed up to vote it was not on the record. Or when they checked it online it showed them as Independent or even Republican.

Let's hope there's no more of that monkey business. Voters should not be disenfranchised. Period.

.

[bettyellen]

49. If they "had proof" they would get a provisional vote or a court order to vote.

And they would be counted. One woman on FB told a fishy story about them claiming she changed her registration online last year. Doubtful, because online registration had just started. But it got dozens of recs and the expected outrage.

[cui bono]

50. I think they were given provisional ballots but we all know that's sketchy.

What is interesting is that this is yet another issue that when it was Republicans doing it and benifitting from it it was horrendous, a terrible injustice. Now that Hillary is benefiting from it and her pal DWS allows voter disenfranchising to happen it's just some silly thing that Bernie supporters are showing "expected outrage" over.

Outrage should be expected over disenfranchisement of voters. The real question is why are Hillary supporters now showing the expected outrage?

.

[bettyellen]

52. In my town, they are counted. But we have a strong Dem party presence, which is what it takes.

Hillary has been working on and talking about voter disenfranchisement and the VRA for years. We need the VRA back- that has always been part of her platform- but not Bernies, last I looked. You missed all that, I guess.

[cui bono]

54. She talks about a lot of things. Haven't heard anything from her about Arizona.

Do you have a link? I must have missed it.

.

[bettyellen]

55. She has talked about voting issues in red states at length, for a long time. You have missed much.

[NWCorona]

46. No that's not what I'm saying at all.

The rules are the rules. It should be looked at next year for any changes.

[pangaia]

41. Sanders is in this for all human beings.

Hillary is in it for Hillary.

[NuclearDem]

45. Apparently, just about every demographic in New York disagrees.

[roguevalley]

48. we shall see. she was supposed to slay michigan

[paulthompson]

17. The math that matters

Sanders gained 100 delegates on Clinton in those five states you mention. Clinton gained 68 delegates on Sanders in Florida. So Sanders comes out ahead in that comparison by 32 delegates.

And Clinton gained more delegates on Sanders in Florida than any other state except Texas (by a little), so it's no surprise you picked that one.

[cui bono]

38. Good catch. Plus, the important detail is that he handily took the last 6 contests.

Now that's momentum!

.

[uppityperson]

9. I voted for Obama for the greater good, not for the lesser evil. Too bad he was stymied

continuously by the Party of No. I am voting for Bernie, not against the GOP, if he gets the nomination (and caucused for him yesterday). I will vote for Hillary only as the lesser evil.

It'd be great to be able to vote FOR a pres candidate again.

[rhett o rick]

16. Hi Uppity. I was the caucus chair and everything went smooth.

Our totals reflect almost exactly the same as the state: 77% Sanders and 23% Clinton. The Sanders supporters were very enthusiastic and most volunteered to be delegates to the next level. It was a good turnout.

[uppityperson]

20. I am in a district of hill dwelling hippies and a retirement community

101-60 was the final vote. 1 undecided ended up with Bernie after the speeches were given. My young adult child and partner both talked and have volunteered to be at the county meeting next month. There were lots of people and it went very well.

The funniest thing was when we separated into the 2 groups to chose representatives, 1 group was multigenerational (some brought children, many young adults, some of us middle aged and several old fogies), the other group was, well, old. No one under the age of 70. It was very obvious, the ageism difference between the groups.

The second funniest was when someone said congress wouldn't work with Bernie but would with Hillary. 1 has a Proven Track Record and congress currently really likes Hillary.

That said, I will vote for her if she gets the nomination, but agree with my young adult adults that more people will get out to vote for everything, congress, if Bernie is the nominee.

[rhett o rick]

21. Our groups were interesting also.

The Sanders group included two sisters one in her 20's and the other maybe 18 or 19, a young couple maybe late 20's, also a couple maybe in their 30's, a lady in her 40's (I hope she forgives me if I am wrong), and two older gentleman 60+. All of our group were enthusiastic and we had no trouble getting volunteers to be delegates to the next level. The Clinton group were very nice ladies ages from 50 and higher. They had a little difficulty finding someone willing to be a delegate.

Interesting was that one of the older gentleman Sanders supporters was associated with the Sanders campaign in a volunteer capacity and was there (he was a legitimate member of our caucus) to monitor the process to ensure that no shenanigans happened.
He said that the Sanders group (not sure who he meant) was looking to get a Sanders supporter in every caucus to monitor for misdeeds. He took photos of our list of delegates for example and was very interested in the delegate allocation process.

[jwirr]

23. Interesting that you talk about the monitor. Don't know if

the same was true of the person who was at out caucus. He was standing very close to the table when those of us who wanted to be delegates were signing up. We asked if he was in line and he said no. He told us that he was a civics teacher and was watching closely so he could tell his students what went on.

I watched him most of the evening and he was deeply aware of every aspect of the caucus.

[rhett o rick]

53. The gentleman in our caucus and a sticky badge that said something like he was

a Sen Sanders caucus monitor. When I asked him what that was about, he said the local Sanders campaign tried to find supporters in each caucus that would monitor the process and he had guidelines. Like he photographed our list of delegates.

[SheilaT]

42. Interesting.

Yesterday someone who caucused in Alaska, I think, reported that the Hillary group had a lot of trouble persuading someone to the the delegate to the next level. I find that quite sad. It also speaks volumes about the difference in enthusiasm between the two groups.

If Hillary does win the nomination, there will be almost no grass-roots support for her. Her only hope of winning the general election is that the Republican nominee is so totally incompetent that he'll lose. And at that, a lot of former Bernie enthusiasts, ESPECIALLY the young ones, will be so totally turned off that many of them won't bother to vote, and may not return to voting for another decade.

[CalvinballPro]

18. Pathetic. Didn't hear you calling Sanders to drop out after losing 5 in a row.

But those were big diverse states with large minority populations, so they don't "count," right? Only the votes in 85+% white states "count" apparently.

[SheenaR]

22. 85% white?

Washington, Alaska and Hawaii are not 85% white.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

29. Never try to state facts to a Hillarian

[cui bono]

39. Hey! Don't try to upset their narrative.

It's all they got.

.

[jillan]

51. Hillary supporters only see things in Black and White, they forget about the rest of us.

[Beacool]

24. Sure...........

Keep dreaming.

[strategery blunder]

25. Well the Hillary supporters were making these kinds of demands just a couple days ago

Then, let's be honest with ourselves, Bernie had the best week he's had in this entire primary season to date.

Turnabout is fair play and all that.

[Agschmid]

26. Unrec, people need to STOP calling for either on to drop out.

This is a ridiculous OP.

[JackRiddler]

31. Based on responses here I despair

that anyone will ever understand satire again.

This is basically a one-for-one rewrite of the Clinton camp propaganda of recent weeks, intended as one big sarcasm, and all these people here are like, "how dare you? this is an outrage!"

[KelleyKramer]

59. This is an on going thing at Dailykos

At the beginning of March, Markos (the owner of Dailkos) declared that on March 15 the primaries would be officially over on his website.

Then when he was proven wrong on March 15, days later he penned an article for The Hill calling for Bernie to drop out.

The OP here is a satirical dig that is basically calling Markos out for being a jerk

Your take on it is interesting, because technically you are correct, apparently Markos has sold his soul to the right wing Dem establishment.

[Thinkingabout]

33. Huummm, interesting since Clinton just had a five state sweep which netted more

Delegates. Since I am not contributing to Sanders campaign fund it does not cost me anything for Sanders to remain.

[cui bono]

40. Rec because Hillary supporters were calling for Sanders to drop out.

We all know Hillary won't drop out.

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[KingFlorez]

44. Why should she drop out when she has the delegate lead?

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I don't think a lot of people really understand how this works.

[pdsimdars]

72. probably don't understand how it "workS" either (ha ha)

[achsadu]

47. Hillary dropping out?

I fail to understand anybody who calls on Hillary to drop out: she has the delegates; she has the party apparatus behind her; she has the super-delegates, etc. etc. Indeed, Bernie is a great candidate and I intend to vote for him (California here we come) but she hasn't lost the race yet. I think that anyone who calls for her retreat is not being fair and certainly is undemocratic. Also, we should remember that we are faced with a great historical moment: she is the first woman who might be the occupant of the white house; I think that's important as much (if not more) as Bernie might be the first Jew to be elected into that office. We are privileged to have that choice and we should be careful in how we exercise it; random name calling and stooping to media gossip and innuendo will not do.

Achsa.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. It might be, but not for electoral reasons

they can keep going as long as they both feel they have a chance and all that. In fact, they should...

But it might be, due to the server. If I am reading the statements right in the articles posted tonight, she will have to. And for the good of the country I hope she endorses Sanders. A floor fight will not be healthy.

[Legends303]

60. Glad Sanders are not like his supporters

He won small delegate states which had impossible lost in those states anyway and I didn't know Hilary should drop out with her 268 delegate lead right now. Even he knows this, New York and California are the real main contender states. Stop being delusional.

[eridani]

63. No--not until someone gets the required number of delegates n/t

[pdsimdars]

68. From what I've been reading about her private server . . . . . that may be the thing that does it

waiting for her to quit for "health" reasons.