"The shameful Bernie race smear: Hillary supporters have played a dirty, dangerous game"

[Cheese Sandwich]

The toxicity -- and falseness -- of the "Bernie so white" narrative is a real stain on Democrats and the left

Nothing this primary season in the Democratic presidential race will come close to the sheer lunacy of behavior transpiring in a Republican Party on the verge of self-implosion. But unfortunately, in the non-Trump dominated side of the U.S. political world there also has been some alarming behavior on the left that can’t be ignored. And while Hillary Clinton has received the usual share of sexist and misogynistic comments, it has been Bernie Sanders and, in particular, his supporters who have endured a lot of ridiculous things.

The constant drumbeat of “Bernie’s plans aren’t realistic,” “Bernie’s plans aren’t passable” and the “BernieBro” have reached their own level of online fame. Although all three of those have their own major flaws, a discussion has been made extensively about them that has created sustained negatives around the septuagenarian candidate and his fans.

One key aspect that has been bubbling for a while now, spun off from the BernieBro label and not discussed like it needs to be, is the opponents or most acerbic critics of Sanders, intentionally or unintentionally, implying that his supporters have no noticeable racial diversity or that his campaign doesn’t appeal to minority voters.

What’s so troubling about this enduring narrative is the disturbing insistence on completely ignoring or aggressively dismissing any of Bernie’s minority supporters who aren’t famous. It’s a focused and determined echo on painting Sanders as truly representing only young or old white liberals, and that Sanders and his backers are unable to acknowledge or express white systemic privilege. And in either their strong support for Clinton or their unwillingness to fully analyze Sanders fairly or comprehensively on race, one of this election’s deleterious aspects on the left can no longer be dismissed.

The toxicity of the “Bernie is white and for whites only” drive has become even more glaring over the last month, with cleverly crafted smears at Sanders hitting exactly the sustained narrative they wanted to hit and fueled by Clinton’s legacy domination of the black vote.
...

more: http://www.salon.com/2016/03/12/the_shameful_bernie_race_smear_hillary_supporters_have_played_a_dirty_dangerous_game

About the writer: https://twitter.com/sluggahjells

[hrmjustin]

1. Oh more from salon.

[Cheese Sandwich]

3. Don't bother reading the article. You might get a clue as to how people of color supporting sanders

feel erased and marginalized by the dominant narrative which asserts no such people exist.

[hrmjustin]

4. Yeah how many Clinton supporters have your side alienated?

You are no innocents.

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. Don't you ever get sick of hearing how Bernie can't connect with black people

Or latinos? Don't you find that whole conversation dismissive toward the millions of people who are making that connection?

[hrmjustin]

14. He has connected with a some but Hillary is doing much better at connecting with

POC. That can not be denied.

[Cheese Sandwich]

21. And constantly repeating that ERASES the millions of people who are making that connection.

When it becomes the central theme of your campaign to just constantly repeat that your opponent does not connect with a certain ethnic group, that's offensive.

Hillary fans are not repeating that simply to spread information. They are repeating it hoping to make sure it stays that way. And to discourage people of color from checking out Bernie as an option because their ethnic identity doesn't line up. Basically they are making an appeal based on ethnic identity. They might as well just take out a huge billboard that says "Bernie Sanders is No Friend of Blacks". That might even be ok if he deserved it. But he doesn't.

[hrmjustin]

22. If stating a fact is a problem for you then go join the Flat Earth Society.

This conversation is at an end.

[Cheese Sandwich]

23. I accept your surrender

The number one topic for Hillary supporters, for almost a year now, has been that Bernie Sanders can't connect to certain ethnic groups.

Don't you guys have like, you know, any other issues that you care about in this campaign besides Bernie Sanders poll numbers with different groups of people?

Do you care about issues effecting the country or no?

[DemocracyDirect]

73. No They Don't Care

Or they wouldn't be trying to rip the country in half because of race.

[Cheese Sandwich]

75. The country has already been "ripped apart because of race" since the beginning.

That's not the point here.

The point is calling out the toxicity of the “Bernie is white and for whites only” messaging campaign.

[DemocracyDirect]

90. Yes you are right.

And race baiting is racist.

Bernie is for everyone!

[cui bono]

25. Wow. That's your attitude towards blacks who feel they are being marginalized and ignored?

Sheesh. And Hillary supporters have the nerve to criticize Bernie supporters over race. You guys just care about them if they support Hillary. Hillary and her supporters have been bullying and ridiculing black Bernie supporters since Bernie announced. Racism is being used as a political ploy. It's astounding that even black Hillary supporters put Hillary before racism since they are exploiting race in an attempt to help her.

.

[hrmjustin]

26. I never called or implied Sanders or his supporters are racist.

So spare me your fake outrage.

[dchill]

62. "never called or implied..."

But you are gleeful that the smear exists, and you water it like a valuable crop.

Where is the difference? Oh, and you ARE implying with every post that you believe, or agree with the smear.

[hrmjustin]

64. How am I gleeful about it and watering like a crop?

Be specific in your allegation. Back it up.

[dchill]

66. See post 130.

[hrmjustin]

67. Poor attempt at humor.

[dchill]

68. You are looking into a mirror.

And to prove it, you just replied to yourself.

[Bluenorthwest]

85. The author of the article Mr Jones addresses this ploy you are pulling in this way:

"When called out for his interesting array of tweets that would leave the impression that Sanders passively insulted black voters, Smith predictably hid behind the wall of the vague “I didn’t specifically say that, so you can’t prove it” response, giving off some level of guilt. “The Sanders ‘too smart’ bit, especially after the SC loss, was a bad look,” Smith tweet chided. “But folks, if I wanted to call him ‘racist,’ I’d have done that.”
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/12/the_shameful_bernie_race_smear_hillary_supporters_have_played_a_dirty_dangerous_game/

It's almost like we've all heard the same excuses and evasions for months on end.

[CorporatistNation]

55. Can This Phenomenon Be Characterized as Inverse Racism?

Basically Hillary insiders fomenting a false racist meme against Bernie who does not have a racist bone in his body...

Hillbots might check out THIS video and then look themselves in the mirror... or at least Try...

[Cheese Sandwich]

57. Probably not because that sounds too much like "reverse racism" which is a common right wing trope.

[mythology]

80. No it doesn't

It isn't a central theme of the Clinton campaign. It's a central fact of the primaries that on average, Clinton has done substantially better with black and Hispanic voters. Nowhere does that mean not a single black or Hispanic voter votes for Sanders. Nor does it mean that Sanders is incapable of connecting with a majority of minorities. It means that in this campaign, he hasn't done so yet.

The exact same argument could be made about young voters who choose Clinton. We're constantly seeing claims that because Sanders voters are younger, that he represents the future of the Democratic party. Does that mean that no younger voters support Clinton or that Sanders supporters are "erasing" younger Clinton supporters? No, and claiming such would be silly hyperbole. So is claiming that Clinton supporters are "erasing" minority voters who opt for Sanders.

[Cheese Sandwich]

100. Take a look around DU. Clintonite's #1 topic is Bernie isn't too popular with black people.

When that's your #1 topic then that's your #1 topic.

[Rockyj]

102. Its not true...

I am Native American and attended my caucus in WA state and there were just as many white supporters as there is brown. Hillary doesn't have a better hold on Hispanics and blacks in the west. Its a myth probably created by Hillary's camp. Actually, he's doing very well with Native American's & even better then Obama. http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2016/03/21/bernie-sanders-expands-native-inclusion-163829

[Lizzie Poppet]

24. Depends on which color you mean.

Blacks? Sure...although Bernie's starting to break through a bit. Latinos? Not nearly so cut-and-dried. Asians? While there are states with large Asian populations still to vote, Sanders destroyed Clinton in WA and HI (the latter being majority Asian). Native Americans? Not even close, as Alaska showed (and Alaska is 14% Native).

So it kinda depends, doesn't it?

[Bluenorthwest]

87. Also Oklahoma, largest Native American population in the 50 contiguous States but Hillary supporters

on DU constantly say it is 'homogeneous and largely white'. It is a bit less white than Illinois, far less white than Texas and less white than the US as a whole. One quarter of Oklahoma's voters, erased for a false narrative.

[John Poet]

109. It's kind of racist, isn't it?

[Lizzie Poppet]

20. "tu quoque" Look it up. (nm)

[bettyellen]

8. You must be glad they missed the dozen threads here saying the southern states don't matter?

LOL.

[Wilms]

15. Betty, you know the context of that.

So why misframe and wind up inflaming division. This is awful.

The whole "southern states don't matter" is simply based on the prospect of a General Election win. How in the world is it justified to claim that it means Southerners don't matter?

It's irresponsible.

[bettyellen]

19. No- they were called "confederate states" and the "bible belt" and people posted results omitting

them. It was the fucking stupidest thing, and many here recced those psycho threads.
This is a primary- and it is designed to include Dems in every state- via delegates. There is not valid rationalization for that crap. None.

[Wilms]

29. You've never heard those terms?

And what about the white and independent vote?

So "people posted" and that's a rationalization for the dust up including made up claims about 3/5 votes?

"It was the fucking stupidest thing, and many here recced those psycho threads. There is not valid rationalization for that crap. None."

You see how that works.

[bettyellen]

33. I have never heard southern Dems referred to that way- except here lately. "Low information"

voters who have "Stockholm syndrome" was pretty fucked up too- yet both were pretty popular threads. Granted one of those posters was dumped for being a rat fucker, but he was still way too popular here.

[Wilms]

41. The whole country is "low information".

That's why DU exists. And you'd acknowledge the media's avoidance of Sander's.

I wasn't happy with the article that framed "Stockholm Syndrome". And I think that frame was suggested by a poster prior to the article.

But all that is no excuse for calling Sanders or the majority of his supporters racist. And we've not even discussed Sanders treatment regarding his civil rights background and intent. You'd agree. Damned stupid. And you think no one supporting HRC here hasn't acted in a way to get tagged a rat?? Be honest. A lot of "up in your face" posts went down.

So I'm all, what, we're going to have race divisions resulting from a food fight?

[bettyellen]

45. I have not seen people call Sanders a racist. One lone BLM protester said something about

"white supremacy" in Washington. When people here said he was ignoring black people (back when he was) people here immediately reacted AS IF he was called racist. Those are two different things. People jumped the fucking shark on that.

You're right, it should no the a food fight. But there was a lot of nastiness and overreaction.

[Wilms]

52. I don't think he was ignoring anyone.

He's fighting for the 85% who are getting walloped, he's asking the 85-95% to chip in, and he's telling the 5%..."hey look". Color has nothing to do with that.

I see how it comes off as "ignoring" but he thinks, and I agree, that the messed up economic scene is driving black poverty and white poverty and every other color. And it's the best way to take a serious bite out of racism.

[bettyellen]

54. I appreciate that you admit it honestly could be seen that way. You are miles ahead of those who

are pretending these are phony issues and we are inconvenient wedges. We women do notice when we are ignored, as do most POC.

I do appreciate the changes Sanders made in his campaign a great deal. I truly do think he is a great guy. I also refuse to demonize Hillary, so that garners me loads of hatred here. Been called a lot of names for not participating in their five months of hate. Which sucks for Bernie, because I decided not to do any campaigning in the primary because I don't love either campaign now. It will all be over by the time my primary comes in- I can well afford to be dispassionate. (and am by nature very cynical)
I plan to save my energy for the general. Th USSC matters more to me than either candidate.

[KPN]

56. Well said.

[AgingAmerican]

44. Thanks for proving the OP correct

[bettyellen]

49. I know- no one is allowed to discuss racial issues because it is dealing "a card". I've heard your

thoughts on this before. LOL.

[AgingAmerican]

51. The purpose is to divide

Divide and fail

[bettyellen]

53. I am aware of the opinion that all problems women and blacks have are merely "wedges" and we are

all faking it. For a dozen years of more- all faking it for this moment.
Yeah, that depth of knowledge into the issues sure has scored you loads of points with us. LOL.

[AgingAmerican]

71. It has to do with the Clinton campaign using racial division as a political tool

To divide the electorate in the Democratic primaries.

[bettyellen]

72. Oh I know what you THINK it has to do with. We are mindless pawns in your view.

Amazing that you assume this is news to anyone. Been seeing this silly crap about "social issues" cut and pasted here for more than six months here. We all have.

[Bluenorthwest]

88. Quotes in which the term 'Bible Belt' is used to describe those States:

"Growing up in the Bible Belt of Texas, I thought for sure there was no way - if I'm 100 percent true to myself and come out as a gay, African-American person in 2015 - that people are going to be able to accept that and understand it. Todrick Hall

"For me the greatest revenge of all is having a happy adulthood, waking up in my gorgeous turquoise bedroom in the morning beside a person who really inspires me. That's the best revenge a girl-loving girl from the Bible belt could possibly have. And, importantly, it's healthy."-Beth Ditto

"I just think Texas and that whole Bible Belt section is so, like, corporate. And I don't agree with organized religion in that respect."- Author: Hunter Parrish

“Maybe "Bible Belt" refers not so much to the popularity of the Good Book in these parts, but to the biblical-plague level of insects.”― Paul Jury

I could go on and on because 'The Bible Belt' is an extremely common idiom, used by Americans in and from all walks of life and regions of the country. To suddenly claim it is some nasty vorbotten phrase is insane. Not rational.

I mean I can grab hold of verbiage used by virtually anyone and turn it against them. It's a tactic, a set of ploys. I don't do that because it is a cheap, petty, ploy, a tawdry tactic.

[bettyellen]

105. Here it was used to disparage and dismiss Democratic voters- mostly black. But you knew that.

What is with the pretense? Why pretend my comment had no context- and could "mean anything".
You know better.

[840high]

59. The only answer Clinton

supporters ever have is to blast the source.

[hrmjustin]

60. Post better sources.

[Cheese Sandwich]

103. Salon is garbage but every once in a while you find a diamond in that garbage.

[Ken Burch]

70. Salon is a progressive magazine guilty of nothing other than defending strong principles.

Why mock them?

[beam me up scottie]

2. Yep, they've been marginalizing women and minorities who support Bernie since he announced.

You still see it here, we're all Bernie Bros because they refuse to acknowledge our existence.

Watch the usual suspects try to blow this off too.

[Silver_Witch]

5. And rude as well

I hope he wins....it is my hope.

[villager]

43. "Rude" is one way... to understate it.

[Silver_Witch]

46. Well I don't want to be banned.

So I try to do the down low.

[villager]

48. Indeed. It's not just any poster than can barf out their id around here and stay "un-banned."

Evidently that takes a particular talent...

[Tanuki]

77. Get real. Your candidate's surrogates dismiss women

who vote for Clinton, whose credentials include having been both Secretary of State and U S Senator, as voting with our vaginas or voting for her because she has a uterus, and you"re talking about marginalizing women?

[djean111]

78. Hillary's campaign started out with the assertion that all women would vote for her -

because she is a woman. Like breaking that glass ceiling is more important than issues, or what she actually did when she held those positions. That was, and is, insulting. As was being informed that if I, as a woman, did not vote for Hillary, I must have mommy issues or resent strong women. What absolute rubbish. That is what drew the criticism.

Personally, I am dismissive because I find her deeds, like voting for Iraq and sending those children back to die as a warning, shilling for fracking and the TPP - reprehensible. And her proclivity for war disgusting. I would not admire those things in a male politician. Not for one second. And I am dismissive of any woman OR man who does not find those things objectionable.

[beam me up scottie]

96. Like telling young women they only support her because they want to be where the boys are?

Oh wait, that was your candidate's surrogate.

Or telling women there's a special place in hell for us if we don't support Hillary?

Nope, that was you guys again!

The fact is that some women are voting for the lesser candidate because they want a woman in the white house. They admit Bernie has better policies, is more progressive and aligns with them politically but still support Hillary because it's "time for a woman president".

That is what is meant by voting with a vagina and it's not marginalizing women, it's telling it like it is.

Truth hurts.

Otoh we've been called faux feminists, traitors to our sex and even accused of lying about our gender because we don't support the woman. We've been told that our vote for Bernie is a vote for "white male rule" and that we're just afraid of strong women.

[Tanuki]

98. Steinem and Albright apologized for their remarks, unlike the surrogates I mentioned.

It is disgusting to have you defend the marginalization of Clinton supporters to their genital organs and it takes a special kind of gall to call that kind of insult "telling it like it is." If it were any other context, you would be honest enough to call it out.

[beam me up scottie]

99. Lol! It's disgusting because I don't buy into your spin?

They apologized because they were wrong, I don't have to defend anyone because Bernie's spokespeople never marginalized women.

[jillan]

6. Twitter is going crazy right now because I guess CNN called Alaska a "white state"

It's really tongue and cheek. #BernieMadeMeWhite

Bernie supporters of all different cultures & ethnicities having a little fun at the media's expense.

[Cheese Sandwich]

9. Yeah stuff like this is worse than annoying. It's straight up deceitful...

[Vote2016]

7. no price too high for Hillary's ambitions

[uponit7771]

10. "when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. "

[Number23]

13. There you go, messing up the meme again...

[uponit7771]

16. They must think folk can't read, the efforts at gas lighting is crazy !!

[noiretextatique]

91. How about that $15.00 minimum wage?

Or Clinton's belief about black superpredators? Or the damage done ti black people by welfare reform, the war on drugs and mass incarceration? Yeah...saying their are people who are black who live is ghettos is by far more important. Pathetic.

[uponit7771]

110. The black super predators is another racist meme about blacks, she never said blacks at all...

... and unless you think blacks are super predators or fit in the description that she was mentioning that's not her fault that's yours.

Most blacks aren't on welfare, so no.. .most blacks don't care about welfare and around 80% of blacks aren't poor

Black being mostly poor or caring about things like welfare and shit is just another negative stereotype that people who aren't exposed to a wide swath of people of color adhere too because they don't know any better.

Yes, a presidential candidate who claims what Sanders did about blacks and ghettos is pathetic... he should know better and in this campaign he's shown that his exposure to blacks ended around the 1980s...

around the time the blacks = poor bullshit started

[noretreatnosurrender]

11. A Perfect Description of What

we've seen here on DU.

K & R

[uponit7771]

18. Yes, we should be dismissing efforts of credibility by proxy of "random black person" by any candida

... the fact that some don't know which black person is random is more a testament of where some on the left are when it comes to their exposure to different types of Americans.

[jillan]

27. That is the problem with Hillary supporters. They only see things in Black and White and IGNORE

Asians, Islanders, Native Americans, Latinos, Alaskan Natives, Native Hawaiians and many others, not to mention the large population of those of us who are a mixture of two ethnicities.

We are a diverse nation and Bernie supporters are being tired of being called ALL White!

[uponit7771]

111. LOL... we only see things in black & white isn't true. When YOUR candidate associates his campaign

... with someone who at one time called Obama niggerizzed then what the hell do you expect?

People NOT to start to look at this guy through raciallized glass's when he has someone stump for him who've said some of the most vile raciallized shit about America's first black president?

Either way, few if any said all minorities... people have been saying all along it's blacks and Hispanics and his supporters are mostly white...

All that's true..

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. My only but to that article is... no it is not the left

it is the center and it is the Clinton campaign and allies. and I am tired of this shit

[cui bono]

28. Exactly. Hillary supporters and anti-Bernie critics are NOT on the left.

They are centrists. They are championing a moderate Republican in terms of policy.

.

[noretreatnosurrender]

30. Yup

You got it.

[haikugal]

35. Brava!

[Cheese Sandwich]

38. From the center, or from the top?

From the top down.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Both :-)

[Skwmom]

31. I am sickened by how race has been used.

There are so many issues that need addressed in the Black Community and we engage in this type of b.s.

[noiretextatique]

92. It is disgusting

And clearly a ridiculous tactic. The Clintons are not exact clean when it comes to race...that makes it even more disgusting.

[KingFlorez]

32. Numbers speak volumes

I think people are really angry at the math. Before the primaries started lots of Sanders people assumed that he had completely locked up every demographic with his message, but when the actual numbers came in it was a rude shock. What made the whole thing divisive was the Stockholm Syndrome comments, the Confederacy comments and the overall dismissive attitude.

[Cheese Sandwich]

36. When your central message is constantly repeating that your opponent doesn't connect with

certain ethics groups, you don't have a message, you have a smear campaign.

[KingFlorez]

40. It's not a message

It is the reality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/us/politics/in-a-black-church-in-south-carolina-bernie-sanders-struggles-to-get-an-amen.html?_r=0

[Cheese Sandwich]

42. It is a message when the MSM and internet workers repeat it with a purpose 24 hours a day.

[haikugal]

37. No the only rude shock was when we were attacked from the right within the Democratic Party.

They did this with venomous accusations while they masqueraded as true liberals and progressives.

[eridani]

76. One of the most asinine posts I've seen on DU Before the primaries started, Sanders was 50%--

--behind Clinton in every demographic. What demographic, in your opinion, was Sanders supposed to have locked up?

[colsohlibgal]

34. Not Much Hillary Wouldn't Do Or Say to Win

She wants it so, so bad and in some part it seems like she feels it is reserved for her, it approaches creepy a bit IMHO.

[840high]

63. Power and money hungry.

[ThePhilosopher04]

47. It's their game plan. It's not about doing right by the American people, it's about ...

divide and conquer and win at all costs. Lie, cheat, steal and smear, whatever it takes to achieve the nomination. Shameful.

[Tarc]

50. So, what exactly is the problem here?

[BillZBubb]

58. Using race for divisive purposes HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CLINTON tactic.

Remember Bill in the 1992 primaries working for black support. Then after he had locked up the nomination: Sister Souljah! He smacked down Jesse Jackson and set that black woman straight and won needed red neck support in the GE.

See welfare reform and crime bill. More redneck support.

Then there was Hillary in 2008 subtly going after Obama on race. That didn't work out so well for her, so this time around she's taken the other side against Bernie. It is disgusting, it's what the Clintons do to win.

[840high]

65. She wasn't so subtle.

[marions ghost]

86. Thanks for the reminder

I don't doubt that the pro-Clinton forces played the race card, then and now.

[noiretextatique]

93. Thank you...the Clintons are not strangers to racebaiting

I remember all the shit Bill pulled, plus welfare reform, war on drugs, and the crap they pulled with Obama. No wonder they played the race card with Bernie

[GreatGazoo]

104. the turban picture

"Clinton aides claim Obama photo wasn't intended as a smear"

And they blamed Obama of course:

Maggie Williams, campaign manager for Clinton, played down the significance of the picture. "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

[senz]

61. It's a cynical smear based on lies with the strategic intent of preventing PoC

from knowing who Bernie Sanders is and what he stands for so that they will not vote for him.

Those who push these lies are shameless political operatives who do not deserve any respect whatsoever, either before or after the primaries.

[highprincipleswork]

69. Bernie has been swiftboated on his dedication to racial justice. Many signs point to his being...

at least as tough and Progressive on this important healing issue as Hillary.

[JimDandy]

74. knr

[Vattel]

79. It has been a shameful. To use race in that way would be unthinkable for someone with any decency.

[Jitter65]

81. Actually the media is doing this game...not Hillary supporters. And it's not a "smear" until the BS

supporters name it so and plant yet another negative meme against Hillary Clinton. Remember, it was Bernie who shouted that he would do better outside the south...not Hillary Clinton or her supporters. It was Bernie and his media pals that played up this issue. And like so many other unsavory things Bernie does he takes no responsibility for it and then tries to blame Hillary for it.

[GreatGazoo]

82. Meanwhile...

Cool graph tool:
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR131/filters/RESP_AGE:-4,SC_RACE:2/dates/20151008-20160318/type/month

[Cheese Sandwich]

101. Doesn't count. They don't exist.

The only stats that matter are the ones that make Hillary look great.

[vintx]

107. Well now,

that's more like it

[Onlooker]

83. I think the smears against Hillary are far more shameful

Bringing up extremely isolated statements over her long career and extremely isolated votes to portray as some sort of right wing racist corporate shill and to regularly use the same tired Republican attacks against her are far more shameful than anything she has done. If she wanted to do something shameful, she would be playing up Sanders Castro comments far more and making a big national ad out of his ghetto remarks and his rape fantasy.

[Bluenorthwest]

89. Here is a non isolated and very recent horrific statement by Hillary, it's false, ignorant and

insulting. She has yet to make amends for it and her supporters here seemed to agree with her Reaganite bullshit:

[noiretextatique]

94. I just corrected someone about the CDF

And welfare reform. The CDF considered it a betrayal to children, and three people resigned from the Clinton administration because of it. To hear some tell the story, everything was just rosy.

[Odin2005]

84. Some seem determined to drive every working class white person out of the party.

[noiretextatique]

95. No, they are just trying very hard to get Black people

To vote for Clinton. This one will vote for Sanders.

[okieinpain]

97. didn't know about the berniebro deal but I do have serious reservations

about some of his plans, some days his "health care for everyone" statements sound as bad as trumps "bring back the jobs" babble. is he really going to repeal obamacare so he can bring up universal healthcare. lol, that is too damn funny, does anyone really think any democrat in congress is going through that mess again. LOL.

[Art_from_Ark]

112. He never said he would repeal Obamacare

Hillary and Chelsea were the ones claiming that.

[okieinpain]

113. check the story.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/23/bernie-sanderss-claim-that-he-would-expand-not-dismantle-the-affordable-care-act/

[Duppers]

106. K & R

[MisterP]

108. above all it's a way to obtain an attack that you can't parry:

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they make it about the target's response rather than the facts

if Clinton's protested by BLM or wins after Latinos were disenfranchised, now they can twist the situation around entirely, saying that these Berniebros only cared about race when their candidate failed to benefit: if you defend yourself that only confirms your guilt once and for all

you can't fight them on their own terms, you have to point out the game they're playing