5 Reasons I Won’t Vote For Hillary Clinton In November

[CajunBlazer]

5 Reasons I Won’t Vote For Hillary Clinton In November

[BillZBubb]

1. Congratulations, you finally made it to my ignore list.

Your link is pathetic, like everything you post.

[Sheepshank]

2. But apparently she will be on a ballot in November

satire notwithstanding (editing after I realized this was satirical)

[Sunlei]

3. LOL, number 5 is funny. Writer has a good grasp of the facebook political wasteland.

5. Abandoning liberal principles for the sake of personal ideologies is the way to fix this country. Sure, Hillary Clinton is not as progressive as Bernie Sanders, but there’s no better way to stick it to the American people by not voting. After all, that worked out great for us in 2010 and 2014 when Republicans took over Congress because people didn’t show up to the polls.

[Hoyt]

4. And that's one reason you'll screw yourself and others for your misguided purity.

[CajunBlazer]

5. I don't think you read the article

[gollygee]

6. Read it - it's satire

I didn't see that until I read reply #3. THEN I read the article.

[PowerToThePeople]

7. Crappy satire.

Iraq.
Tpp
Marriage equality
Reproductive rights
Prosecution of criminal bankers.

She has been on the wrong side of all of these issues.

[dchill]

8. Still looking for a good reason...

[SMC22307]

9. 1) War/Foreign Policy 2) Trade Agreements 3) Environment/Fracking...

4) Social Security/Wall Street buddies and 5)Weed/School-to-Prison Pipeline.

Those are probably the reasons. Not blindly clicking what I'm sure is to be more idiocy behind a blue link.

[LostOne4Ever]

10. 6. I won't vote for Hillary in Nov. because Bernie Sanders will win the Democratic nomination (nt)

[CajunBlazer]

19. Take a bunch of money to Los Vegas, you can get great odds on that proposition

[SidDithers]

11. DU rec...nt

Sid

[onehandle]

12. #2 is so on the money.

2. Being the most ideologically pure individual makes you the coolest person in your circle of friends. Nothing stirs a bunch of politically illiterate people than claiming that both parties are the same

[rusty quoin]

13. 3 is a good one.

Almost my whole adult life has had judicial bad decisions, and #1, I guess that is a nihilist reason with nothing to lose.

I know the author does not agree with the arguments.

[jillan]

14. I wonder what the % of Dems that will not vote for her. Last I heard it was 33%

Is that correct?

[Buzz cook]

15. I find that number hard to believe

But humanity never ceases to disappoint.

[Tanuki]

18. No, that was "33% of Bernie Sanders supporters". Not to be confused with 33% of Democrats.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1588388

[CajunBlazer]

22. And certainly not to be confused with 33% of the voters

What are the those who will not vote for Hillary going to do:

1) Vote for Donald Trump.

2) Vote for Green Party candidates Jill Stein who is not even qualified to run a small town.

3) Not vote.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

26. Far more than 33% of voters won't vote for her, but that's deeply misleading.

I'm not sure what the highest percentage of eligible voters any Democrat has won in recent times is, but I'm sure it's well shy of 67%, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were half that.

[CajunBlazer]

27. Please try to keep up with the discussion

We were talking about progressive voters who will not be voting for Clinton. The point I was making is that it will be a small percentage of the total voters.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

29. I am, I'm pointing out that that's the wrong way to think about it.

Even a great many progressives won't vote, for either Clinton or Sanders, because turnout never gets that high in any section of the electorate.

So phrasing "will Clinton's chances of winning suffer because people choose not to vote for her for not being progressive enough" - which is a sensible question - as "what fraction of progressive voters won't vote for her?" is probably misleading. The answer to the second question is certain to be "lots", but that doesn't tell you much about the answer to the first question.

[CajunBlazer]

33. Nothing will get progressives to the polls more the then the prospects....

... of having Donald Trump or Ted Cruz as President. I also expect some cross overs from the GOP to also vote for Hillary. Trump has huge unfavorable among women, including have of the Republican women. Cruz is uniformly hated by established Republicans. I would rather Trump as an opponent for Hillary, but either will work for me. On the other hand if the establishment try to take the nomination away from Trump or Cruz in brokered convention, or run a independent against either of them, it will split the GOP in two.

[Setsuna1972]

56. Bernie supporters, much like their candidate

are NOT Democrats . Rather, they, like him, are Socialists pretending to be Democrats because otherwise Bernie would;t have a platform to stand on .

[betsuni]

16. There should be a #6:

I'm not only politically illiterate, I'm gullible and believe every silly conspiracy theory and baseless accusation against President Obama and the Clintons that I see on Facebook because decades of right-wing propaganda have conditioned me to bark and drool every time I see one.

[MineralMan]

17. Here's the header for that story:

Home Humor/Satire 5 Reasons I Won’t Vote For Hillary Clinton In November

Satire.

[JoePhilly]

20. Meh.

[Armstead]

21. Satire is supposed to be funny and have a ring of truth. This has neither.

Perhaps the writer is auditioning for a job on The Onion.

Or perhaps the writer is trying to shame people into voting for Hillary or Bust.

In both cases a giant fail.

[CajunBlazer]

23. I guess it depends on your perspective

Satire is often a very effective way to get a point across.

[Armstead]

24. Satire is...I would't put this in that category

For exdample, one can legitimately criticize individuals of any stripe of being self righteous.

But I don't think the majority of people who support Bernie because of their princuiples are simply trying to be the coolest person in the room.

In fact, it's a major pain in the ass to have principles. Life is much more pleasant to simply accept the bullshit of the status quo and convince oneself that "Gee that manure sure tastes good."

[hobbit709]

25. +1000. Like I told my CO way back. "I don't like the taste of shit"

[CajunBlazer]

28. Really, you've actually tasted it. Gross!!!

[hobbit709]

31. You really do not have any concept of figurative and literal do you?

Are you any relation to Captain Paul R. Davis-the guy I told that to.

[CajunBlazer]

35. No, not when a poster can't express himself in non-offensive language

Anyone that crude might do just about anything.

[hobbit709]

38. you of course are as pure as the newly fallen snow when it comes to offensive.

[CajunBlazer]

60. Of course!

[hobbit709]

61. Next, you'll try to sell me a bridge.

[CajunBlazer]

62. You don't seem to be stupid, just overly idealsiatic

[CajunBlazer]

30. How can you claim to have progressive principles when...

... failing to do everything you can to stop Trump or Cruz from taking over the White House could have such negative repercussions on some of our most vulnerable people. Isn't the very essence of being a progressive not being selfish and protecting those who are in most need of protection?

[Armstead]

34. I intend to vote for Clinton if she is the nominee because the GOP scares the shit out of me

I personally intend to put a clothespin in my nose and support Clinton in the General. But with a very heavy heart.

What is most offensive about that so-called "satire" is that it trivializes the very real concerns that people have.

I understand and largely agree with those who see electing Clinton as a meaningless exercise on a fundamental level because on issues of the systemic distortions of wealth and power, she is just as bad as the GOP -- and that includes just as bad for "our most vulnerable people" as well as the working and middle class who have been thrown to the wolves by the Corporate Conservatives on both parties.

I agree with those who believe that encouraging the perpetuation of that by voting for Clinton is just pushing us further into a New Gilded Age and an embedded oligarchy.

[CajunBlazer]

36. i should have notice your avatar.

[Armstead]

37. Yes, a certain intentional irony in that

[pinebox]

32. I'm still trying to find a good enough reason to her support Hillary

Because honestly, I can't find a single one. Zero.
And don't say "Trump" or "SCOTUS" either. That same argument can be made every single election cycle. Give me something to believe in because the only thing Hillary believes in is deception & Wall Street.

[CajunBlazer]

39. If the Supreme Court being taken over by radical conservatives for 20 years...

...doesn't bother you, nothing will.

By the way, with regard to the Supreme Court, this isn't a regular election. The opportunity to determine the future direction of the Court occurs only every 20 to 30 years.

[pinebox]

40. It's the same argument over and over every election cycle

It is. It's also sad. It's fear mongering and nothing more.
It is a regular election and that same argument with how we could appoint 2-4 justices was used in both of Obama's runs.

The truth is this---GOP won't let anybody be appointed. We will have a SCOTUS which is a 4-4 split for many years to come. We all know how they work, this is the party who shutdown the government after all.

[CajunBlazer]

43. Wrong!

We already know that the new President will very likely replace Scalia. That alone could drastically change the direction of the court. Also we have two other Justices who will be over 80 when the new President takes office and another in late 70's. Over the next four or eight years any of those Justices could pass or be forced to retire due to illness. That wasn't the case eight years ago, or even four years ago and we still lost a Justice in the interim.

[pinebox]

45. Disagree

If you think for one second that a new Dem POTUS will replace Scalia, I have news for you. Nominating/appointing is not the same as replacing. The GOP will never let any Dem replace any SCOTUS justice. There's no possible way and remember who has the majority. That is unlikely to change. We'll be stuck with a 4-4 limbo for many years to come.

[CajunBlazer]

47. Apparently you are not up to date on the current situaion:

Hopefully If the Democratic nominee wins the White House, we can also take over the Senate. Unlike two years ago, the landscape is very favorable for Democratic Senate candidates this time around. If the Democratic nominee is elected President, there is an excellent chance that we will also take over control of the Senate. So the person who the new Democratic President nominates to replace Scalia will likely be approved by the Senate.

On the other hand if Trump or Cruz win the GE, that diminishes the chances that the Democrats will take over the Senate and greatly increases the chances the the new Justice will be a lot like Scalia or worse.

Of course, the same logic will apply if yet another Justice or two pass or are forced into retirement during the next 4 or 8 years that the new President is in office.

And regardless of the composition of the Senate after January 2017, the changes of getting a more progressive rather than a more conservative Justice or Justices will vastly improve with a Democratic President rather than a Republican.

Again, what makes this election different is the we know that at least one Justice will have to be replaced during the new President's first term and that alone will set the direction of the Court. And due to the age of the old remaining Justices, the new President could be setting the direction of the Court for the next 20 years with his/her appointments.

[SpartanDem]

49. Do you really believe that it doesnt matter who wins?

[pinebox]

50. If Hillary is the nominee?

Not really. GOP-lite vs GOP. We all lose.

[SpartanDem]

52. I dont see Hillary campaigning on repealing obamacare

and I say this as who voted for Bernie there is not objective way you can say Trump/Cruz are politically similar to Hillary.

[pinebox]

53. Spin

Obamacare will continue to let people die. A Republican plan lets people die.
Death is the common denominator. There is no winners in that.

[SpartanDem]

54. You can't be serious

I know people who are alive because of obamacare. The only republican plan I know about is take away people's healthcare. That's spin?

[pinebox]

57. You're right you do know people who are alive because of Oabamacare

and you happen to be speaking to one of them right here. Ocare saved my life, I was one of the very first in the country allowed into the high risk pools before it went fully public.

That being said, people are still dying. People in red states are suffering who haven't expanded medicaid and that is why we need single payer. The ones who suffer are the poor under both Hillary's plan and Republican's plan

[CajunBlazer]

59. So we should let Cruz or Trump get rid of Obamacare...

Bernie would try to put in a single payer system, but we both know that he could never get it passed by congress.

But if Bernie can't win the nomination, would you not do something to stop Cruz or Trump from getting rid of Obamacare?

There is a logical disconnection here and I don't understand it.

[rock]

41. What's really funny

Is you only need one good reason to do something. Thanks for the link!

[Gothmog]

42. Good Article

[Arugula Latte]

44. Falls flat as satire. The first one, abandoning liberal principles is exactly what Hillary has done.

[CajunBlazer]

48. And those who would not do every thing possible....

... to prevent Trump or Cruz from becoming President have no Progressives principles. The first and most important progressive principle is to abandon selfishness and defend those who most in need of our support. Maybe you will not be affected by the damage that either would do to our country, but there are many poorer people who would be very adversely affected. If you turn your back on them, you have no progressive principles.

[Orsino]

46. Heh. They forgot to 'Shop some fangs on Clinton.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. Nice to know

So all your postings are just pretense?

[Setsuna1972]

55. So if Big Brother Bernie is not the nominee

You'd rather vote for Trump or Cruz ? You'd rather have one of those batshit crazy fools in office ??? I knew a lot of Bernie supporters were delusional but you take the cake ! How very shortsighted you are with this Bernie or Bust mentality !

I suppose this will earn me a Jury alert to be blocked, huh ???

[Demsrule86]

58. Because you want a right-wing court?

That would be what you get...then you don't have to bother to vote for years and years. Stay healhy because not only won't we get single payer but health would go, social security and medicare too...good luck surviving the repubocolypse.