Bernie is horrible to his wife. They have a very troubled marriage. He is known as the Monster.

[Armstead]

Yes the video really shows the truth about how Bernie abuses his wife and family.

Jane is so intimidated by him because he is such an awful person to her. He terrorizes his children and grandchildren, as the investigative piece below proves. (two links to different sections.)

http://www.people.com/article/bernie-sanders-fun-grandpa

http://www.people.com/article/bernie-sanders-family-home-life

F

irst thing through the door, little Dylan Driscoll, 4, demands to know one thing from his grandfather, the presidential candidate Bernie Sanders: "Are we going to play Monster?"

At Grandpa Bernie's house in Burlington, Vermont, "Monster" is the latest thing – and, soon enough, the senator who wants to be president is growling and chasing after Dylan and his sister, Ella, 7, while they giggle and shriek.

Awful man. Simply horrible.

[beam me up scottie]

1. HC supporters are calling him creepy, saying the video is "disturbing" proof that he mistreats Jane.

By accusing him of abusing his wife they trivialize actual spousal abuse and marginalize battered women.

To be fair most Hillary supporters are far too classy to do that.

[loyalsister]

17. The subtext

If he treats his wife that badly, all the allegations of sexism must be true.

[beam me up scottie]

25. Indeed, they said it shows a "pattern" of behaviour.

Meanwhile they're defending the source of the rumours Brock who actually is a misogynist.

[RobertEarl]

35. Next thing....

Talk about a blue dress and cigars. Oh, the horror that is Bernie and Jane's marriage!

[beam me up scottie]

42. That's the other thing, the absolutely staggering hypocrisy.

They hyperventilate every time Bill's affairs and the Clinton's marriage is brought up but fall all over themselves at the chance to gossip like a bunch of church ladies over Bernie and Jane.

[RobertEarl]

56. It is stunning

And to think we share the same party with them.

Will they ever even begin to understand what they look like when they act like such utter hypocrites?

[noretreatnosurrender]

63. What Do You Expect

from people who post a Gallup poll to say Hillary supporters are more enthusiastic than Sanders supporters. I kid you not.

Here's one of them. I saw another one too. I laughed so hard I couldn't drink my coffee.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511595957#post11

[beam me up scottie]

72. Oh. My. God.

These are the same folks who sneer at Bernie's crowds and keep telling us Hillary just doesn't want to fill up huge stadiums, right?

[Major Hogwash]

31. The subsubtext

If all the allegations of sexism must be true, he must be the anti-Christ.

And that would lead to all of us guys having to go back to using Brylcreem in our hair!!

[villager]

103. Can they do anything than project their own unresolved issues onto other people?

[beam me up scottie]

104. Nope, same thing with the ones who say he fantasizes about rape.

It has to be projection, no one sane thinks Bernie is a misogynist.

[LiberalElite]

130. An apology (not by them) has been posted on a website -I posted to GDP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511597913

[beam me up scottie]

131. I saw that earlier and it proves journalistic integrity isn't dead.

But the truth won't stop the swift boaters here, they smear Bernie for sport.

[villager]

163. No, it's integrity on DU that's dead.

With approximately zero odds of being revived.

[beam me up scottie]

179. Yep, that happened the day Bernie announced.

People smeared Bernie and Vermont because the crowd was too white and one putz even said he represents an elite state because there were yachts in the background.

And it's been downhill from there.

[RandySF]

2. Did I miss something?

[Armstead]

39. yes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1588010

[RandySF]

44. Yeah, that's not cool.

[dragonfly301]

62. That was just the first one

such an important topic, she needed to write another one. Don't these people have jobs or children or something other than DU 24/7?

[senz]

86. Ugh. What they won't do.

So I followed the link and saw the video and what I saw was Jane asking Bernie about something (she approached him with a question), possibly about where to sit, as they were getting ready for his stump speech to start, and he said something like, "go sit over there," Jane looked in that direction and then Jane and the other lady consulted and found places to sit. Jane was just fine with whatever it was.

But the comments from the usual suspects on that thread were nasty and below the belt as usual. We can't expect anything better from them.

Brock and the campaign he represents are desperate and have little of substance to use against Bernie, so they're resorting to rumors about his personal life. Except it has been obvious for months that Jane and Bernie are devoted to one another.

[Laffy Kat]

3. You can tell by that photo, she's terrified of him. nt

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

67. He's clearly beating her in the face with his lips

That monster.

[beam me up scottie]

95. !

[notadmblnd]

4. And just look at his home, the opulence of having laminate countertops

and a Kerig coffee machine, What nerve!

[Autumn Colors]

164. The cabinets and countertops were the first thing I noticed

Wow, they have a kitchen that looks like someone in the 99% would have. Obvious pandering ...

[elleng]

5. Right.

?1442879902

[bvf]

155. My God!

He's crushed his grandson's hand into a stump!

The poor child is clearly in shock!

Fucking monster!

[Warren DeMontague]

6. "And I like to keep the light on. That way I can see if you have a monster."

[bettyellen]

11. I thought that was Charlize in Arrested Development. Much watch the Little Britain episodes

again. But it is not, is it?

[Warren DeMontague]

13. It is. Sort of a non sequitur

but the whole "monster" thing made me laugh.

[bettyellen]

29. HA, awesome. She has such an incredible range. Wish she would do more comedy.

Was disappointed in Mad Max though. Too heavy effects to acting ratio for me. My mind wanders....

[Warren DeMontague]

38. I still havent seen it!

I think Star Wars was literally the only movie ive watched all the way through in 18 months.

But I agree, she's really good.

[bettyellen]

48. Too much Sci-fi makeup and hair, and done up vehicles. Was like watching action figures or

a video game. To watch action films, I have to be pulled in pretty quickly or you lose me. If the action sequences are too long I get bored. If I was into car races, I would like it more.

Just saw Love and Mercy. Really beautiful film.

[bettyellen]

7. Such a stupid video. I wish people would let it die, honestly. Why indulge this shit...

about getting into either of their personal lives. Enough already.

[Armstead]

12. It is a stupid video but some people are trying to make hay of it...Including Clinton's henchman

[bettyellen]

36. Yeah, it is so lame. He is likely very happily married, not that I care either way....

since he is not legislating morality. Hoping that Cruz is done now though.

[questionseverything]

54. i had never seen this interview before so i am glad they have attacked bernie in this fashion

if brock is behind the current bernie smear...are the clintons sure he actually changed sides cause opening up the marriage theme does not sound like a good idea to me


side note...
hopefully by now he is getting some help with his laundry...lol

[bettyellen]

59. I wouldn't be surprised if it came from either side.

So much dumb shit floating around.

[questionseverything]

70. anything to distract from the issues of the 99 is hc's standard fair

but for brock to bring up marriage stuff is stupidity....seriously he may still be working against the clintons wether they realize it or not

[bettyellen]

74. this could have come from a Sanders supporter hoping to open the marriage can of worms too.

I know some people want any justification for that. Either way, we will never know- not worth even bothering with.
This one should just be left to whither and die on it's own. None of our business, their marriages.

[questionseverything]

80. a sanders supporter started the bernie so abusive theme?

naw

i live in central illinois, dems here know the "marriage can" has never been closed

we try and avoid it but repubs here never stop talking about, the blue dress,monica and now they have carlos danger to add in

they have raised their children on it

before the net, marriages were kind of off limits but now days, if there are "problems" eventually they are going to come to life and most of us do not wish to go thru defending a serial liar again

a very conservative client told me a while back....while they hate obama ,at least he seems to love his wife and family

i am nearly 60 and my county has gone blue twice in my lifetime, once for jfk and the second time for obama in 08

i believe bernie could make it three times

[bettyellen]

83. Up until the 80s - you could not be divorced and run. Or gay and out and hold office.

JFK was lucky enough to tamp down the rumors, now I think few give a damn.
I really have no idea who started it, but either way they are a moron. So many people want to fling moronic stuff out there, I wouldn't bother to guess. They would have to be really dumb if they didn't guess it would be used against Hillary. On the net- who can trace the origins of any meme? Doubt this came from anywhere high up. Just stupid chatter.

Keep your county blue for us! Thanks for being involved!!

[questionseverything]

87. if bernie is the nom it will be easy...we went 70-30 for him in the primary but if it's hc

<just shakes head>

i honestly can not find one hc supporter and i have looked

illinois has a repub gov now, repub senator and my downstate congressional district (which was supposed to be the blue down state carve out,4 universities included) are all red

if bernie wins the nom, we will get huyyyyyyyyyye turn out and all but the gov will go blue

if hc gets the nom i fear illinois will be red forever

[bettyellen]

98. I don't think things will be as tough n the general as you imagine. I hope not!

[questionseverything]

100. 2010 we got the repub senator and repub representitive

2014 we got the repub gov....we still have no budget

i am being realistic

hoping for a good outcome is fine and dandy but if the dems nominate hc and count on illinois to win the presidency we are in trouble

[bettyellen]

101. that sucks! you can only do your best to prevent that. Good luck!

[MADem]

114. But the "marriage can" is a problem?

You might want to look at ALL the "marriage cans" then.

[questionseverything]

117. i actually agree with that,,,the primary is exactly the time to air any dirty laundry

getting it out in the open helps dems decide and helps take off the edge from the repub attacks

when hc ran with that obama in muslim garb thing i was so pissed but

turned out it took the shock out of it so when the repubs tried to use it, it didn't work

same thing with wright

btw now that the fbi is going to interview hc...who is her lawyer?

[MADem]

121. I'll bet you could find the answer to your question on google.

I don't think she's too worried. I know I'm not.

[Uponthegears]

8. The horror

[RufusTFirefly]

9. What a tyrant!

Personally, if I were the Clinton campaign, I'd be vewwy, vewwy careful about bringing up questions that deal with the stability of a candidate's marriage.

[chervilant]

20. Oh, SNAP!!! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Hmm why would that be

(No I will not post any links to those stories. I think the Clinton campaign is about to shoot itself on the foot, AGAIN), Why help them in loading the metaphorical gun?

[litlbilly]

108. I think theyre shooting themselves in the ankles, the feet are already shot off:)

[SusanCalvin]

132. I wish there was more to the clip.

Not that I think it's terribly significant anyway - Bernie's style is abrupt and Jane seemed more puzzled than offended. But, really, if that's all they've got....

[MADem]

120. More than one "glass house" with regard to marriageS--and relations not formalized by that sort of

thing, eh?

I think everyone should be "VEWY" careful before they read more into anything than is actually there.

[DanTex]

10. Hey, look, a puff piece!

[Armstead]

28. To cleanse the palate after the shit sandwich of the day from David Brock

http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-dont-stand-next-to-me/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1588010

[DanTex]

41. You mean a video of Bernie snapping at his wife? The horror! Censor it!

Only puff-pieces of Bernie should be permitted. I get it.

[Armstead]

46. Why did Brock and Co. bother to circulate it?

hmmmmmm?

Maybe it was jealousy over Birdie Sanders.

[DanTex]

53. If you had complained even once about all the videos that Bernie fans circulate

you'd have maybe a little credibility here. And, unlike all those, this one isn't edited misleadingly.

The reality is, if a presidential candidate snaps at his wife on a live mike, it's gonna make it around the internet.

[Armstead]

58. Meh...I'm biased.

[DanTex]

77. That's putting it mildly...

[angrychair]

122. Do Clinton supporters

Really want to go swimming in these waters?

I know how it works here on DU though: you people have open season on slandering Sanders as everything from a racist to a dirty Jew and we have to take it or have our post hidden or OPs locked. If a Sanders supporter even mumbles a minor criticism of Clinton you people come unglued and start calling us berniebro or worse.
This slanderous bile is pure fucking bullshit and it's disgusting.
Thankfully the real world is not nearly as putrid and disappointing as people here.

[DanTex]

124. Sure, I'll swim in them. The right-wing stuff that gets posted on DU is virtually

all anti-Hillary stuff. We get three or four links to Weekly Standard or Daily Mail or the other ones every day. And then there are all those misleadingly edited Hillary-hate videos posted. There was a time when that kind of stuff would get a hide, but since Bernie fans outnumber Hillary fans, the jury system lets it slide, while hiding anything even slightly critical of Bernie.

But in the end, the internet noise from Bernie fans isn't working. Hillary's comfortably ahead, and she's going to be the nominee.

[2banon]

157. Dan you surprise me.

You obviously aren't giving any thought to the impending train wreck with her nomination and possible election, after reading the most recent reports on the new phase the FBI is on track to begin fairly quickly, reports from sources you trust.

I thought maybe you might take some time to give it some serious thought and consideration, wouldn't an indictment be a game changer in your eyes? .

[DanTex]

161. Sorry, I don't read the right-wing stuff that gets posted here about the emails.

Sure the investigation is proceeding, but that's not a surprise. Other than right-wingers, few credible people think she's at serious risk of indictment.

[2banon]

166. Ok. I agree that the Los Angeles Times is right wing, just like WaPo, NYT

I often have to read anything published in these rags with my super lasers to sift through the bias in their reporting, and have to speculate on what might have been omitted in their reports, this is sort of routine for me now.

But even so, a story like this, they're going to have to be damned careful of what they report and put to print. What is published is likely not the full the story for better or worse, but it should be considered important enough to read just the same.

It was the L.A.Times report, published yesterday as a point of reference.

[DanTex]

167. The non-right-wing sources don't imply that she's likely to be indicted.

They just stick to facts.

And that's exactly the reason that Hillary-bashers here prefer linking to the Weekly Standard or Washington Times.

[2banon]

170. quite true, I don't believe I came across that statement

in that report. (If memory serves)

I also believe I recall it simply outlines the next phase, involving plans to conduct interviews with Clinton and others.
But there's a bit more than that in the story, which must needs a certain intellectual instinct based generally on what normally follows.

[eridani]

171. Give me one link showing that right wingers want single payer n/t

[beam me up scottie]

49. That was bad but this thread was even worse, tabloid trash from Paula Mooney:

Bernie was more welcoming to a bird on his podium than his wife by his side

The op took quite a virtual beating for dragging it back here, hilarious.

[cosmicone]

14. "Don't .. don't stand there" "oh.. ok" n/t

[Armstead]

23. How awful....

He obviously has her browbeaten into submission.

[randome]

15. I knew it! You can tell by those beady little Socialist eyes!

A monster! A MONSTER!!!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Armstead]

66. ..................

[randome]

169. Those eyes! They're following me around! Arrghhh!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[stillwaiting]

16. I'm gonna say Bernie/Jane relationship >>>>>>>>>> Hillary/Bill.

From all evidence given over the past few decades.

And, it's not even close.

Just saying.

[Nanjeanne]

18. He's a cereal abuser. Yes that's right. You don't want to know what he does with Frosted Flakes.

[JonLeibowitz]

61. The Clinton campaign would have you believe he IS the Frosted Flake.

[Zira]

153. Oh, he's not the frosted flake....

He's the one with depth, integrity, and _consistency_

[AZ Mike]

19. LMAO! Well-played!

Love the snark and sarcasm. You cut right through the Hillary camp garbage with this. Bravo!

[jillan]

21. Just look at the disdain he has for her in this picture...

?quality=65&strip=all&w=780

[DisgustipatedinCA]

60. Sanders hugs his wife while Clinton looks across the DMZ.

It's a strange picture (and just to be clear, this post isn't supposed to carry any political content--I'm just commenting on the incongruity of the picture).

[thereismore]

88. Haha is that a dig at her PRK attire?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

91. No...it's just the hand she's using to shield her eyes from the stage light so she could see

...a supporter, or someone she knew in the audience.

But it reminded me of the photos you see of Western leaders looking across the DMZ into North Korea. They usually have binoculars, but this still reminded me of those photos.

[thereismore]

94. She always sees a supporter somewhere. She opens

her mouth as if yelling "yay" and I wonder if anybody is actually there or is it just an act for the cameras.

[PufPuf23]

64. Hillary says,"Where is Bill?" eom

[FlatBaroque]

76. I'm not sure she wants to know the answer to that question

[Jennylynn]

24. How long have they been married anyway?, eom

[elleng]

33. Since 1988.

[Jennylynn]

52. Wow

That's longer than I thought. TY

[elleng]

68. You're welcome.

Here's her bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_O%27Meara_Sanders

[HereSince1628]

26. Obviously, formica countertops! That's spousal abuse!

Oh dear, woe is me...They live like 'regular' people!

[monmouth4]

27. Also, did you know that when Jane's first husband became ill with cancer, she and Bernie took him

into their home to care for him so he would be close to his children. What an awful man that Bernie is. LOL..

[orpupilofnature57]

34. That's the Heart we need to lead us out of this mess.

[renate]

65. no, I did not know that

Wow. That was incredibly sweet of both of them.

[monmouth4]

71. They are just good people, both of them and I do think it shows...

[orpupilofnature57]

30. People, not Demagogues or Models of Misanthrope Desire .

[glinda]

32. I was going to vote for her if she got the nom but not now. It is over.

Sorry but this is beyond the pale.

[orpupilofnature57]

40. They've drank the K Street Kool-Aid so long they know no other way .

[glinda]

47. Or hope to keep silent the crimes and malfeasance. The web must be pretty intricate.

[scscholar]

92. You blame her...

for what someone else did?

[riderinthestorm]

110. Brock is Hillary's hired propagandist. nt

[glinda]

119. Special co-ordination of "Change his tone" and "this unfortunate lie".

[scscholar]

158. You're attacking the messenger!

How about addressing the serious issue instead?

[opiate69]

37. And, the obligatory alert results.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie is horrible to his wife. They have a very troubled marriage. He is known as the Monster.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511595873

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Bernie Sanders does not abuse his wife. This is absurd and over-the-top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:17 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alert fail. Satire is as satire does. Though I suspect the alerter knows full well what's behind this post and wants it hidden because it, rightly, pokes fun at the ridiculous talking point of the day from Camp Weathervane.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Are you kidding me?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post is sarcasm. Read the whole thing, alerter.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't think the alerter understands that this is sarcasm.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter obviously doesn't get sarcasm, both the articles were absolutely glowing with praise for the uber family man, Bernie Sanders.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Armstead]

43. Guess I should have used this....

[orpupilofnature57]

45. Skinner sent a Memo about abusing the HIDE button, must be everyone didn't get it .

[beam me up scottie]

50. Fake alert from a Hillary supporter, obvious alerter is obvious.

Now go sit in a corner for 24 hours!

[opiate69]

150. Yup! Somebody loses button priviliges!

(That pic just never gets old lol)

[senz]

51. ...

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. And that is a SSSWWWEEEEPPPPPPP!!! Poor alerter will be twitchy for 24 hours

[bunnies]

141. Whatever H supporter alerted...

I give you a solid B for effort. Work on your wording. Better luck next time, kiddo.

[kiva]

57. I truely thought that thread was representative of only a single

vindictive poster, but just got home and realized it now has 15 recs...15 DUers who like that tripe, who are willing to slander a good person. The good news is that I could add to my ignore list pretty easily.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. A lot of that OP is well sarcassm over the horrific post

that was posted here direct from Brock slander machine

[kiva]

78. Sorry, I wasn't clear,

I was talking about this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511593090 .

Fifteen people think this nonsense should be recommended

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. Not a problem

And I agree, but that was pure sheer propa

[Wednesdays]

99. I'm confused...which thread?

This one?

[kiva]

106. No, this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511593090

Amazingly, not sarcasm.

[In_The_Wind]

142. Ha! My ignore list just grew a bit.

20 Recs at this time.

[FlatBaroque]

73. I heard he pinches his grandkids' cheeks until

They turn red. And forget about the tickling.

[beam me up scottie]

75. ...

[Jarqui]

81. Even Bernie's ex-wife still likes Bernie:

BERNIE SANDERS’ EARLY DAYS IN VERMONT: HIS LIFE, LOVES AND CIRCUITOUS ROUTE TO POLITICS

Sanders came to Vermont with Deborah Messing, his college sweetheart, in 1964. Recently married, they bought 85 acres in central Vermont that August for $2,500.
....
“I consider him a friend, and support his efforts for the presidential candidacy,” she said from her home in Montpelier.

[MADem]

82. People Magazine photographer just happened to be hiding in the dishwasher....?

LOL! Everyone on your best behavior...or ELSE!!! People mag doesn't always get it right!



Love these "unscripted" political moments--wonder how many times that had to be posed?

Is this any more believable?




Obviously, someone in that pic was a lying so-and-so.


I'm not about to stand up and be the one saying he's a wife beater, or that he's a model husband EITHER. I don't know what he is. I will say he's rude as hell to women in public and there is video evidence of that.

Even if he doesn't mean it, he comes off looking like an ass.

This was the most notable incident:

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/6/11170930/democratic-debate-sanders-clinton

This link (you have to go to YOUTUBE, and scroll ahead to around 7.30 unless you want to listen to the whole exchange) shows him to be careless of those around him--at best:

?t=434

And this just looks like shit, no matter what way you play it.

Is it a "dealbreaker?" Hell no.

I don't think ANYONE is going to say "Well, I've been all in for the guy, but NOW that he waved his arm in that woman's face (or shushed, or told his wife to get gone) I am taking my ball and going HOME!" Worst case, people who aren't thrilled anyway regard this as just one more reason to not like him, and people who are undecided might be somewhat dissuaded -- or not.


But it's a great topic to snarl about on the internet.....

[Armstead]

84. They bought a prop frumpy house and coached the kids for a week before the interview

And Jane was trying to slip the reporter secret notes "Help! Get me out of here! I'm being held prisoner."

[MADem]

85. Isn't that the house she bought with Mister Driscoll?

Did you read my entire post?

It is what it is. He's just thoughtless, IMO--not "evil."

He'd do better to be a little less "authentic" in some venues. He comes off like a jerk, even if that's not his intent.

That said, it isn't a dealbreaker for those who adore him, it confirms an expectation with those who dislike him, and the people in the middle, they'll figure out what they think eventually.

[redruddyred]

107. i don't want to live in a world where i have to constantly be this "thoughtful" nt

[MADem]

109. How hard is it to not put your hands and fingers in people's faces?

Or hand - wave while they're speaking? It shouldn't be all that difficult.

Don't run for POTUS, though, and you won't have to worry about your thoughtfulness, or lack thereof.

[redruddyred]

111. so no one should gesticulate ever, according to you

passionate disagreement is passe

i saw that maher clip, and by your criteria is wasn't just bernie who was the sexist pig

[MADem]

113. Stop playing the victim or characterizing my comments in a false manner. It reflects on you.

Who else in that Maher clip is a POTUS candidate?

[redruddyred]

115. "stop playing the victim"

ironic from a hill supporter!

i hope this is a selective outrage machine at work here because i don't know how you function irl otherwise.

[MADem]

116. I've said, repeatedly, that his gesticulating isn't going to lose him any fans.

The fact that he does it is indisputable. It's on video and it is what it is.

And this bitter little remark reflects entirely on you:

i hope this is a selective outrage machine at work here because i don't know how you function irl otherwise.

The ones affecting the "selective outrage machine" persona in this thread aren't Clinton fans--they see it, they expect it, they don't think much of him for it, but it is what it is. MEH.

The creation of a "Waaaah --being mean to Bernie!!" strawman wasn't the work of Clinton supporters.

smh.

[redruddyred]

118. who created the "waaah- being mean to clinton!!" strawman nt

[MADem]

123. That's not the premise, here.

The premise in the first post of this thread is that Bernie is being accused of being abusive to his wife (I've not seen that--I've seen his abruptness criticized, though--and that's valid) because of his dismissive motioning at his wife on that stage.

He's not very gracious. I don't think that's news or a surprise. People trying to accuse other people of making that more than what it is are doing that for their own reasons, to promote a sense of faux outrage and unfairness and "being mean to Bernie." It's all an invention, though. "Rude fart" is a long, long way from "wife beater." I think most people who didn't love his 'tude on that clip are closer to the former description than the latter.

And, as I've said at least three times already, no hearts and minds are going to be changed by this. His supporters think his curmudgeonly demeanor is a plus. People who don't like him have just one more reason to give him the hand. Done and done.

[redruddyred]

125. your characterizations of "rude" are bizarre.

how many times a day do you go around telling off people because they didn't fit your idea of etiquette?

i believe supporters would characterize him as "passionate" and "forthright".

[MADem]

126. Your opinion is noted.

I think my characterizations are fairly mainstream....but thanks so much for that input.

[redruddyred]

128. np & have a good evening madam

for some reason i assume you are one

[MADem]

139. MA-Massachusetts Dem - Democrat!

I think a lot of people think about this character when they see my name....

[redruddyred]

176. yes in my mind you've always resembled a charming, nubile, multiracial dancing troupe

[MADem]

178. Ha ha! nt

[beam me up scottie]

89. Ignore anyone pushing the abusive husband meme.

They're going to try to bait you into a hide and get you locked out of your thread.

[Armstead]

90. I read your post and watched the video....

I saw on the video as is often the case...He sits there very quietly while opponents are making their point, rather than butting in and talking over them. Even though you can tell he's dying to interript, he doesn't, until its his turn.

Yes when he engages, he gets animated he waves his arms (as does Clinton), and unfortunately the woman was between two men having an argument. I would not call that awful treatment or sexist.

[MADem]

93. I guess no one wants to read what I am actually saying....

Again...here's my bullet-point analysis.

-Not a dealbreaker.

-Confirms "tempest in a tea pot" for fans, and "What an ass" for opponents.

-Not his finest hour, but at the end of the day it will make little if any difference.

-Gives people something on the internet to carp about.

No one ,but the very few people who are heavily invested (and the uninterested bunch, despite all the back-and-forth here on DU, is MOST of America) will give a hoot, either way....I've never seen Clinton put her hands in people's faces like he does, though. Even Maher said he needs to chain his (CPI) hand to the desk. He is a bit of a "space invader" when he converses.

But--once again--that's not a dealbreaker for those who like him.

[Autumn]

129. Then there is the model wife, Hillary.

[beam me up scottie]

133. Oh my!!! AWKWARD!

[Autumn]

134. Yeah. I felt sorry for the Big Dawg there.

Seriously what woman does that to her husband on national TV??

[beam me up scottie]

135. Damn that was COLD. The room temperature dropped 20°.

Yikes, I don't often feel sorry for him but I see what you mean.

[Autumn]

137. That video spoke volumes. That's very sad.

[MADem]

136. Great video! We all acknowledge that Bill was no model husband.

He deserves a little payback. Keep that Big Dawg on the porch!


LOL!

Don't know what Jane did to get the hand like that, though...!

Her husband was no model either--both of them had to try it on more than once to get to where they are today.

[Autumn]

138. It shows a deep pettiness. Not a trait I would want in a leader.

[MADem]

144. MMmmmmmm kay! Hold that grudge for seven more years!

Bill looks like he got over it!

LOL!

[Autumn]

146. Oh I think they are both over it. I've heard of staying together for the children...

I can understand that, to some degree.

[MADem]

148. I think they genuinely LIKE each other. And Hillary has a forgiving nature. Lucky Bill.

He got lucky when he married her.

[Autumn]

149. Sure. Go with that.

[beam me up scottie]

152. Ikr?

[Autumn]

156. .

[beam me up scottie]

159. Awww, you seem upset!

[Autumn]

160. I love that.

[MADem]

162. Awww, thanks for your permission--I do believe I will!

[beam me up scottie]

140. Lol! SPIN SPIN SPIN!

[Autumn]

143. I'm reminded of a scene in The Exorcist.

[beam me up scottie]

147. No kidding, when presented with a video that shows an ACTUAL snub they start flailing!

I'm dizzy just watching!

[MADem]

145. Aww, you seem upset!

[kgnu_fan]

96. OMG, how horrible he is, too sweet and it is bad for anyone! You lose your teeth!!!!

[riderinthestorm]

97. I'm going to be up all night now praying for poor Jane!

[Jitter65]

102. So the negative comments all seem to being coming from Sander's own supporters by trying

to put words in Hillary's supporters mouths? Nice strategy.

[MADem]

112. Exactly. It just isn't that big a deal.

His fans aren't going to stop being his fans because he is abrupt.


In fact, some don't consider it a bug, but a feature.

[noiretextatique]

165. There have been a few of these threads started by Hillary supporters

Today.

[dinkytron]

105. I heard he doesn't tip the domino's delivery guy and he returns lawn mowers dirty.

[Autumn]

127. Jane and Bernie look like such a happy couple

[itsrobert]

151. Yup, People Magazine is the one to go to if you want a fluff piece

that is favorable to you.

Proves nothing.

[Armstead]

172. And David Brock is the go to person if a campaign wants to sling mud

[Zira]

154. I found this funny

This actually does work for me:


And this:




and this:



And I'm still voting for Bernie. Even when they dis him, he's likable.

[dubyadiprecession]

168. Staged for a camera op..

Just as any other establishment politician would do. You see, he's no different from the rest of them.

[blueintelligentsia]

173. This monster needs to #Toneitdown...

...not #tonedownforwhat. God please help us.

[R B Garr]

174. Explain how humiliating his wife in public enhances

his image.

[Armstead]

180. I agree....Except he wasn't humiliating his wife

[R B Garr]

181. She looked hurt and humiliated. Did she tell you she wasn't?

[liberal_at_heart]

175. I see Hillary supporters are taking yet another page from the GOP race, attacking the wives

instead of talking about the issues.

[desmiller]

177. Hidious!!!!!! Look at that picture!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone!!! Anyone!!!!!

Call the fucking cops!!!! The domestic abuse of lips needs to STOP!!!!!!!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

182. I do not see a video. What video?