only a weak and frightened candidate refuses to honor a debate agreement

[restorefreedom]

this is another screaming piece of evidence of hillarys unfitness for any office.

this campaign is imploding at a faster rate now. we are dealing with an accelerated rate of decay.

the refusal to honor the debate agreement, vile personal LIES against bernie

WOW. its all just splintering apart now.

[MisterP]

1. and the rationale, too--"we won't debate because Sanders' campaign so far has been

so mean we just can't take any more!"

[CorporatistNation]

10. HILLARYOUS!

WHAT A COWARD IS THIS ONE TOUGH GAL... HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON...

[Punkingal]

2. I think her campaign staff is deranged.

[FlatBaroque]

24. there is no other explanation, other than they see the handwriting

and are busy working on their resumes and networking.

[Zira]

34. +10000

They only way for them to win is stiffle voting. I think too many will come out for Bernie for that to work.

[geek tragedy]

3. did she commit to a debate in NY? nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Yes, in a letter posted earlier in the day

and no, I don't have time to look for the link (Taxes)

[geek tragedy]

6. a debate in New York is different than a debate in April nt

[Luminous Animal]

19. What would be the point of having a debate in NY AFTER the primary?

She wanted a debate in New Hampshire prior to their primary and she got it.

Bernie also asked for a debate in Michigan, at first she turned it down but then said yes but only if it was held in Flint.

She got that.

Debates are held in a specific place at a specific time to address, not only national and global issues, but local ones, as well.

Holding a debate in NY AFTER the primary, would shut out any meaningful dialogue about issues important to those who live in NY.

She is a coward and a bully.

[geek tragedy]

20. Pennsylvania also votes in April, as do CT and MD nt

[Luminous Animal]

25. So? They agreed to a debate in NY. NY has their primary in April. Only makes sense that

the April debate takes place in NY prior to the primary.

She is a coward.

[geek tragedy]

26. They agreed to April, not NY nt

[Luminous Animal]

39. Like I said. Coward.

[geek tragedy]

40. Because she doesn't want to help Bernie get free publicity

in New York?

[questionseverything]

60. at least you admit she wants to limit his exposure

[geek tragedy]

63. of course she does. she wants to win the election, and sooner rather than later nt

[questionseverything]

68. if she thought her ideas were best, seems like she wouldn't be afraid to face him

<shrugs>

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. LOL ...

I guess that this is a campaign escapes some.

I'll be so glad when the primaries are over ... well, after the post primary mourning/whining period is over.

[geek tragedy]

67. "Why is Oklahoma playing defense against Oregon, don't they

care about winning over Oregon's players?"

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. LOL! I'll just say it ...

"Why is the HRC campaign doing what is in its interest to win this primary contest ... don't they care about winning over all the Sanders supporters calling her a liar and worse and who are proud to say they will never vote for her?"

DU ... The place where commonsense and everyday life experience comes to die.

[Fairgo]

83. Well, see...

it depends on the meaning of "Is"...

Is she is or is she ain't a liar, that is.

[Lucinda]

8. Nope. n/t

[morningfog]

30. Did her campaign say no more debate "unless" today?

[LAS14]

64. nope. see post below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=85360

[leftofcool]

5. And she is still ahead in delegates and popular vote.

[nichomachus]

14. Just shows you the power of bullshit and a compliant media nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

65. Perhaps. But I chalk that up to voters deciding to vote for her.

[John Poet]

7. ... or one with a trail of F.B.I. agents stretching all the way

from Little Rock to New York and back to Washington DC....

[Lucinda]

9. She didnt agree to a NY debate. She has no need for one, Bernie does,

so he is pushing for it rather than someplace they both can agree on. The weakness is his.

[sadoldgirl]

13. She must have agreed to it, because

he made it a condition for the debate in Flint,
which she insisted on.

[Lucinda]

15. I think she agreed to two more debates then, but location wasn't part of it

I've read she prefers PA and Sanders wants NY.

[morningfog]

31. She's always been scared of a NY debate.

The location of the April debate was never set. Yet now her camp has threatened no debates.

[randome]

38. By that logic, Sanders is scared of debating in PA.

This is all much ado about nothing on both sides. You're all deranged!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[morningfog]

42. That was the issue at the time.

The agreement for the NH debate almost fell apart when Hillary refused to a NY debate. It was tabled. It was never that Bernie refused a PA debate. NY was the issue. Bernie wanted it, Hillary didn't.

The agreement was NH, then MI with April and May tbd. Hillary didn't think NY would matter. She expected to have it put away by then.

[restorefreedom]

18. she is resisting any debate

only reason: fear

[redstateblues]

27. She's ahead. Why help Bernie?

Everybody has heard his finger wagging stump speech over and over.

[restorefreedom]

45. it is not about helping bernie

its about honoring the agreement that her campaign agreed to and honoring her word.

of course, she can always go back on her promise, people will not be surprised if she does

[marlakay]

58. So didn't Bernie agree to more when she asked? Nt

[CajunBlazer]

11. Only a desparate candidates wants to debate because he has nothing to lose

Why would the person winning by 20 to 40 points in NY want to debate in NY? Because she feels sorry for him? Not going to happen.

[magical thyme]

12. ...

[morningfog]

32. She's not "winning" anything in NY right now.

She is "leading."

[CajunBlazer]

49. Symptomatics

And she doesn't have to "win" New York, a "virtual tie" will do nicely. On the other hand, Bernie needs to "win" New York by a substantial margin.

But you believe he can do that, no problem, right?

[morningfog]

50. I'd prefer you not guess my thoughts. You are usually wrong.

New York will be a battle royale and a very steep hill for Bernie.

I would be happy with a tie, virtual or otherwise there.

[CajunBlazer]

61. If Bernie is able climb the steep in NY and achieve only a "virtual tie" in NY

He can practically kiss the nomination good bye. New York is a delegate rich state and he is in nearly identical positions in Connected, Delaware and Maryland. NY alone has 291 delegates and the four states together have 510.

Bernie has win big in each of the remaining 18 states, most of which are far smaller than these four, to draw even on pledged delegates. Catching up with Clinton and drawing even in each of these 4 states would be a very steep mountain. And then he would have to have huge wins each of the remaining states to make up for the opportunity missed. Right now Bernie is ahead in the polls in only one those remaining states and close in one more.

[phleshdef]

36. Sorry but the cowardice is indefensible

This is the first time that I'm really criticizing Hillary this primary but its well earned.

[CajunBlazer]

56. It's not cowardliness, it's smart politics

Stupid politics would be, "Oh sure, we can debate in NY even though I am over 20 points ahead in the latest NY polls".

Why in the heck would Hillary give Bernie any opportunity to try to catch up on the off chance that he would do well instead of spending the entire debate talking about variations on the theme, "90% of the new wealth in this country is going to the top 1%".

Hillary's campaign figures that if Bernie wants to reach more people in NY let him spend your money on advertising instead of giving him free air time.

And let his supporters be reduced to calling Hillary a "coward" on a website that maybe a few thousand people read, the vast majority of which have already chosen their candidate. Sad really; those taunts are falling on deaf ears.

[phleshdef]

81. Spare me. Its cowardice.

I'm not even bothering to read your pathetic attempt to defend it

[CajunBlazer]

85. Typical, yet another arrogant response from someone who claims...

...only his opinions are correct. Don't lie; you at least read "it's smart politics" and you couldn't come up with a good response. Sad.

I'm betting you won't reply to this post because that would be admitting that you read my post despite your claim of not having done so.

[phleshdef]

86. Its not arrogance at all. I don't respect debate ducking.

I'd say the same thing about Bernie if it were him doing it.

[CajunBlazer]

89. Only losing candidates want to debate some more

The winning candidates never do. If the situation were reversed it would Hilary who would want to debate in NY and Bernie saying no.

[phleshdef]

90. I don't care what your excuses are. They don't and never will mean anything to me.

Debate ducking is for cowards. Period.

[CajunBlazer]

93. These are aren't excuses - politics is a nasty business

Rule 1: Never give your opponent a chance to catch up. Kick him when he is down.

After 35 years in the political arena, Bernie understands this even if his novice supporters don't.

[phleshdef]

94. Just more excuses for cowardly politics.

Spineless drivel

[CajunBlazer]

95. Apparently you and Sanders have one thing in common

You sing only one note.

[phleshdef]

96. Oh, the one issue candidate LIE

[CajunBlazer]

97. I can see you now reading DU and collecting everyone's little pat phases...

....which you collect for use whenever you get stumped as to what to post when someone writes something intelligent that you don't like.

Let me guess at some of the others:

We know you use, "it's cowardly to refuse to debate"

And, "that's the one issue lie"

Others likely to be in your vocabulary:

"Super delegates are undemocratic"

"the latest meme"

"I have to vote my progressive principles"

"nobody tells me how to vote"

"It's a DNC conspiracy"

"She's a Republican"

"closed primaries are undemocratic"

Maybe you an fill in some of the others...

[phleshdef]

98. You just made quite the fool of yourself

"Super delegates are undemocratic" - Not really

"the latest meme" - Nope

"I have to vote my progressive principles" - Yep

"nobody tells me how to vote" - Yep

"It's a DNC conspiracy" - Nope

"She's a Republican" - Nope

"closed primaries are undemocratic" - Nope

So like 2 of those things you mentioned are something I might say

[amborin]

16. her campaign is imploding

[restorefreedom]

17. and at an increasingly fast rate. nt

[redstateblues]

28. She is beating Bernie and you know it

[amborin]

43. just the opposite

[restorefreedom]

46. thats why kristen welker said this morning

that her campaign is nervous about wisconsin

and of course, winners never have to lie and smear their opponent as she just did with bernie and jane.

yes, she is winning big

[amborin]

91. exactly;they are running scared; they're losing the nomination

[restorefreedom]

92. and much uglier it will get. nt

[Jitter65]

21. Bernie is adding a request for another debate not originally agreed to. They will be debating

before NY as agreed to. the exact time and place has not been set.

[restorefreedom]

23. according to mother jones,

clinton is resisting any debate until bernie "changes his tone."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/clinton-campaign-says-no-more-debates-until-bernie-starts-be-nicer

[redstateblues]

29. Barney broke his word and has gone negative

[morningfog]

33. Not really and so fucking what if he had?

[restorefreedom]

47. bernie has not gone negative at all

he has told the truth about clinton. if the truth about her is negative, that's her fault.

its called reality

[Else You Are Mad]

54. The truth...

... About Hillary tends to be negative.

[restorefreedom]

87. sadly and infuriatingly, yes. nt

[CalvinballPro]

22. JFC, March isn't even over yet.

[morningfog]

35. Your point?

Hillary camp's tantrum, threatening to take its delegates and refuse all debates is discussion worthy.

[Zira]

37. Gotta wonder how her campaign life is - spend all her free time assuring the 1% that she has it in

the bag, worrying about getting indicted during her campaign, worry about a candidate who is the platform she is trying to fake run on, catching fire and taking off with the people - which he just proved he can, keep all the lies straight and try not to flip flop during debates, worry about all the previous scandals coming right back and the new ones breaking... worrying about getting exposed.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

41. Lame?

[PonyUp]

44. I bet her staff is afraid to be in the same room with her, waiting for her head to explode. nt

[bigtree]

48. I actually think you and your candidate sound more desperate on this

...everyone knows you need a Hail Mary at this point.

I think Sanders would get creamed in a NY debate with Hillary. Maybe they'll eventually agree to do one featuring his favorite subject...foreign policy.

[Else You Are Mad]

55. Because

Nothing is more popular than being a war hawk.

[upaloopa]

51. Well you're wrong

[HassleCat]

52. Or maybe it proves she is a good politician.

Calculating the odds, weighing the risk against the reward, checking which way the winds of opinion are blowing, etc. This is what we have come to expect in a president. We sure liked it when her husband did it.

[JudyM]

78. More like blowing smoke. Her people's response to the debate request wasn't yes or no. It was

"Forget about the debate, we want to focus the media on these other issues we have with you. If you agree to these other things (I.e, not bringing up THE FACTS), we might give you what you want."

[JackInGreen]

53. All I know

Is her cast ironess withstood hours of Republican browbeating and make THEM sweat...


But she doesn't want to face the "tone"....and CERTAINLY not in New York...of one single man that has better ideas and hopes for America.

Advantage: Sanders

[marlakay]

57. If she does make it Trump will use it

To say over and over how weak she is.

[synergie]

59. So refusing to honor agreements is a "screaming piece of evidence"

of unfitness for office and proof that a campaign is imploding at a fast rate?

So when Bernie refuses to raise funds for down ticket candidates, and refused to debate in Flint and refuses to debate in PA, this according to you is a "screaming piece of evidence" of Bernie's unfitness for any office, that his campaign is imploding at an accelerated rate of decay? I guess that makes sense, he needs to keep all that money he's bragging about raising for himself, and forget honoring agreements he made, and lying vilely and personally about his opponent.

Yes, it does actually look like it's splintering apart now, poor Bernie, even his supporters can see it, even if they can't quite accept it yet.

[Uncle Joe]

66. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, restorefreedom.

[restorefreedom]

88. most welcome, uncle joe! nt

[DebDoo]

69. Simple solution

Two debates: one in NY and one in PA. Problem solved

[restorefreedom]

100. love it! nt

[CalvinballPro]

71. Clear and obvious desperation on Sanders' part. He NEEDS a debate, and she does't.

It's that simple. And she's not obligated to give him a debate in NY just because he demands it.

There's no other reason to have a debate than to give Sanders free airtime in an expensive media market, and we all know it. Let's stop pretending otherwise.

[polly7]

72. Why did she want so many debates in 2008?

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/clinton-called-more-debates-2008-now-shes-dodging-them

Sen. Hillary Clinton called for a Lincoln-Douglas-style debate with no moderator against her rival, Sen. Barack Obama, who says no more debates are needed before the May primaries. […] "I'm offering Sen. Obama a chance to debate me one-on-one, no moderators. ... Just the two of us going for 90 minutes, asking and answering questions; we'll set whatever rules seem fair," she said.

"I think that it would give the people of Indiana and I assume a few Americans might tune in because nearly 11 million watched the Philadelphia debate. And I think they would love seeing t hat kind of debate and discussion. Remember, that's what happened during the Lincoln-Douglas debates," she added.

Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams sent a letter to Obama campaign manager David Plouffe on Saturday asking for another debate. "I have no doubt that Sen. Obama, who hails from that great state, understands how valuable and vital these national conversations were to the heart of America. ... If we debate, Americans will come," Williams wrote.

As Obama noted in his response to the Clinton campaign, the Democrats had 21 debates by that point, which he used to justify not having another debate until the next primary. This time, the Democrats have had zero debates, and Clinton apparently does not want more than the six scheduled to start in October.

[CalvinballPro]

74. Because she was in the same losing position that Sanders is in now. Duh.

You'd think that the Sanders campaign would be able to learn from 2008 and not repeat her mistakes from then, but nope, you'd be wrong.

[polly7]

75. Hmm...

No, this is just another flip-flop ........... in 2008 she thinks 'the people' need to hear candidates' views. In 2016 they don't - why is that?

Her 'mistake' was voting for (and pushing) the IWR, remember?

[CalvinballPro]

77. There's more to American politics than one vote from 12 years ago. No wonder your candidate is FAIL.

[polly7]

80. Not my candidate, I'm just an interested observer. But it's FACT that people choosing to vote for

a leader should have every opportunity to listen to them and decide based on what they hear. She wanted this, and said the people were owed it.

Why are they not, now??

One vote from 12 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams sent a letter to Obama campaign manager David Plouffe on Saturday asking for another debate. "I have no doubt that Sen. Obama, who hails from that great state, understands how valuable and vital these national conversations were to the heart of America. ... If we debate, Americans will come," Williams wrote.

As Obama noted in his response to the Clinton campaign, the Democrats had 21 debates by that point, which he used to justify not having another debate until the next primary. This time, the Democrats have had zero debates, and Clinton apparently does not want more than the six scheduled to start in October.

[polly7]

73. Hello?? nt.

[JudyM]

79. If she has this great allegiance to NY, why not honor New Yorkers?

[CalvinballPro]

82. It's Kitchen Sink Strategy days at the Sanders campaign, clearly. nt

[JudyM]

84. Just the way my mind works, I guess. She blares allegiance but bucks the devotion.

[MrMickeysMom]

76. Ohhh! ... the TONE!

It BERNS so!!!!!

[LWolf]

99. K & R

[corbettkroehler]

101. Clinton "Tone-Deaf" Per Darrell Delamaide

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tone-deaf-hillary-clinton-doesnt-like-bernie-sanderss-combative-tone-2016-03-30